From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #211 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, July 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 211 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: VH-1's 100 great women of Rock & Roll [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Re: What I want to know is [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] ticket for nashville [". ." ] Re: What I want to know is ["Kristy" ] Re: What I want to know is ["Princess Shannon" ] Re: What I want to know is [Beth Coulter ] Re: Just a thought... [Richard Handal ] Transcript! Got your transcript! ["Susan Stewart" ] Re: Steve Madden's Tori Amos shoe ["squidgy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:18:11 EDT From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: VH-1's 100 great women of Rock & Roll The thing you have to think about, when reading this, is that they had to put just about EVERY female artist for the last 50 years on this list in order to even compile 100. Not to dis ANY of the artists on the list, but they didn't even name the women of such groups as "the Mama's and the Papa's", "ABBA", or the "B-52's". They just listed the group. And also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Petula Clark a drag singer? or maybe I've had a little too much Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss. ~* jo§h ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:24:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: Re: What I want to know is On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Doug Bailey wrote: >whether Tori and Alanis plan to sing at least one duet >together on >their >tour...now that would kick butt! Tori was asked that in an interview recently, and she said it didn't work out for Tina Turner and Elton John, so there you go. I guess she doesn't want to make an enemy of Alanis just yet. - -jen === Sometimes I can hold my tongue sometimes not... - -"Honey", Tori Amos Thunder wishes it could be the snow Wishes it could be as loved as she can be... - -"Purple People", Tori Amos _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:17:39 EDT From: ". ." Subject: ticket for nashville hi guys i'm just wondering if anyone is interested in a front row ticket to the nashville show. (it's just to the left/center of the stage). if you are please drop me a line and an offer (will consider a trade for a front row ticket to another show pre-CA). also, ellen smith, if you are still part of the follow tori list could you please email me? i don't have your address anymore and am wondering how your plans are coming. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:39:48 -0400 From: "Kristy" Subject: Re: What I want to know is Mr Zebra wrote: >I am quite sure they will. This usually always ends up happening on tours >with more than one big-name artist. They do it ALL THE TIME at Lilith Fair. >It's one of the things that makes Lilith so wonderful. Next to Sarah, of >course. :-) But anyway. Yeah. I would be surprised if they didn't. Maybe I'm just hallucinating...but didn't I hear that tori -said- that there's no way they would join in song onstage? i'm quite sure she said that. but even if she didn't, i really can't see it ever happening. Love and Sparkles, Kristy (\o/) "Sometimes you just have to roast marshmallows over your own fire..." ¤Tori Amos¤ §Visit my Tori Amos website, at http://fly.to/behindmyeyes§ *Take part in Project 5 1/2 Weeks, find all of the info you need at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Diner/9269 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:42:48 EDT From: "Princess Shannon" Subject: Re: What I want to know is umm..... tori herself has said there are NO PLANS for a duet. thank god. ~~*~shannon. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mr Zebra" Reply-To: "Mr Zebra" To: "Bailey, Doug S" , Subject: Re: What I want to know is Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:13:45 -0500 > whether Tori and Alanis plan to sing at least one duet together on their > tour...now that would kick butt! I don't plan to catch the tour (sadly), > but if I knew they had such plans, I might change my mind... :) I am quite sure they will. This usually always ends up happening on tours with more than one big-name artist. They do it ALL THE TIME at Lilith Fair. It's one of the things that makes Lilith so wonderful. Next to Sarah, of course. :-) But anyway. Yeah. I would be surprised if they didn't. Matthew you say money isn't everything but I'd like to see you live without it. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? http://www.fumblers.org/SouthSideFumblas Cult of E Membership #138 FumbleMafia FuCS/DA exfe96 a+++ Ifte lms/txus r++ ps+++ bs t-- C++ w++ p1 LF+/*** N++ cd80+ pr+ g- S* x Fa m+ b!/- fc- E rl!@+++ s! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:54:23 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: What I want to know is I recall Tori answering this question by saying, "It didn't work to well for Elton and Tina, did it?" referring to the embarressing duet of John and Turner on Diva's Live. At 07:13 PM 7/14/99 -0500, Mr Zebra wrote: > >> whether Tori and Alanis plan to sing at least one duet together on their >> tour...now that would kick butt! I don't plan to catch the tour (sadly), >> but if I knew they had such plans, I might change my mind... :) > >I am quite sure they will. This usually always ends up happening on tours >with more than one big-name artist. They do it ALL THE TIME at Lilith Fair. >It's one of the things that makes Lilith so wonderful. Next to Sarah, of >course. :-) But anyway. Yeah. I would be surprised if they didn't. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~really deep thoughts and stories~ updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:18:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Just a thought... XXXPandora@aol.com, a k a Joanne, said: > This is not question of buying out a contract. This is a question of > someone who is still under contract buying back the ownership of her > first album, which is fairly common practice in the industry. That was all very interesting, but it didn't address how an artist might get out of a contract, only how an artist could prevent rerelease of previously released records. (Unless I missed something in all that stuff you said, Joanne.) It was enlightening as to the YKTR question, though, so thanks for that. > I would think it would be far too difficult at this stage for her to > 'go indy.' Tours are very expensive to put on, distribution and > airplay, promotion and manufacturing as well at her level. "Tours are very expensive to put on"? I understand that Tori has already put on at least major portions of tours with her own money. I understand that all the shows after the October 10 New Orleans show last year on were entirely funded by Tori out of her own pocket, with zero backing by Atlantic. I also got the sense that much of the DDI tour was all her money as well, but I don't actually know that. "distribution"? You think she couldn't get at least as much distribution as Ani? Plus, she has us on the internet. "airplay"? Surely you jest. She doesn't get airplay *now*, that's the main reason she tours so much. (This is not an opinion, she has said this privately, so I know she feels that way.) "promotion"? She can get all the ink she wants. Johnny and Natalie could take care of that, and indeed, they have been doing it already during tours. And again, the internet is a huge factor with us; and Tori's people could do a better, more committed internet thing than Atlantic ever has--despite the short-lived web glitz of the club tour days last year. "manufacturing"? This is something I know very little about specifically, but again, if Ani can do it then why not Tori? > Why would she want to? Well, the main obvious reason would be money. Beyond that, you'd have to ask her. I don't know what her beefs with Atlantic might be, I just have a strong sense that she is less than entirely pleased with them. All I can point to that she's said publicly is my memory which I can't back up with a specific source citation in which she said she signed a stupidly long contract (that isn't an exact quote by any means), and which definitely implied that she would want to leave if it were a simple option. I imagine some of the things discussed in that article Kelley told us about a couple of days ago also apply, such as-- http://www.coloradomusic.org/news.htm At present, record companies have a great deal of control. A record deal is basically a service contract that puts the musician in the employ of the record company. In all but the rarest cases, by signing a deal musicians forfeit their ownership of any music they make under that contract. Tori's a perfectionist control freak. If anyone would want their freedom it would be her. > Atlantic has been with her this whole time, and by time scale alone > it's obvious she could've left by now. This brings us back to the question of an artist getting out of a contract, which I didn't see you address above, but I may have simply not understood. I don't think either of us knows what her contract says at a level which either of us could cite specific things in it, so I think that entire portion of this conversation would be destined to go around in circles were we to continue to attempt discussing it, anyway. I do think Atlantic has done a lot for her, and have treated her as a special case in a lot of ways, which was certainly appropriate. I think she is such a special case in so many ways that the same old usual manner of doing business with a musician doesn't apply in her case, which says to me that she could form a new way of doing business if she were left to her own devices away from a constricting label deal. This is a time of potentially great flux and changing paradigms in the record business, and in the manner of Lancelot, I think Tori will be best served by making her own path through the forest. Ultimately, I'm talking out of my ass about what her options might be for going indie, but if there ever was an established artist with a major and devoted following who would go out of their way to find and buy new records as they are released, and who are into the internet as much as the fans of any artist are, it has to be her. And I still can't see why, if Ani could build up from selling tapes out of her trunk while on tour to where she is today, that Tori, starting from where she already is, couldn't just continue from where she is were she to be separated from Atlantic. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:57:11 -0400 From: "Susan Stewart" Subject: Transcript! Got your transcript! Joining us right now are Tori Amos and Steve Madden. Steve: Good to be here. Tori: Hi everybody. Moderator: We're chatting live with Tori Amos and Steve Madden about the Tori Amos shoe with proceeds going to RAINN. Question (not sure who asked it): I would like to ask Steve, how did Tori inspire you with this awesome shoe? Steve: We got together ...... talked about what she likes to wear, and it was totally inspired by her. It looks like Tori Amos, this shoe. Tori: The shoe is taller than me, and that's good because I'm not a beer stand in the shower for anyone any more. Steve: It's funky and sexy, the whole package. Tori: The good thing about it is you can actually work in it. My work is, I play the piano. It's good to be able to play in them. I can't play if I don't have a heel on. Tori: I think I'm going to have one of each. Because you have to trade. Moderator: What color shoe did Tori get? Steve: They are black, red, white. and we're doing, for those animal friendly folks, we're doing a black in a synthetic, high-tech material. It's totally animal friendly, because we're with them. We understand it is important to know that animals are killed for meat, not for leather. But it doesn't make it right. Tori: It's good that you say that Stevie. Steve: One day we'll get there. Tori: I'm just going to eat NBA players, I bet they're tasty. Moderator: Tori Amos and Steve Madden are chatting about groovy shoes, music, RAINN, and much more. There will also be charity auctions for autographed Tori Amos shoes. For more info, check out www.stevemadden.com. And for RAINN check out www.rainn.org. Moderator: I heard there is a charity auction for signed pairs of the Tori Amos. Can you tell us about it? Steve: We're having an auction. We're going to auction off 4 pairs on auctions.yahoo.com. People are already bidding. Winners will get the shoes in their own size, and Tori will sign them. Frogonmytoe1: Hey, when is she going to produce some shoes for men? Steve: We are going to stick to the gals right now. The guys out there, if they want to support RAINN, can buy them for their moms and girlfriends. Tori: The men can cross dress. Shave their legs, get a size 10 and... Marygirrrl: What wine do you suggest to drink while wearing Steve Madden shoes? Tori: Well, if you're going to wear the red, you know in another life I used to think one of those women who used to stomp grapes on their feet. I think there is a Spanish wine, a Tinto Pesquera, and 1995 is quite nice right now. Emma and Andy From England: Is the shoe available over here in England and will we see you on stage wearing a pair over here Tori? Steve: You are definitely going to see Tori on stage wearing them for sure. The thing to do is to click on www.stevemadden.com and if you are from the UK, you'll get the shoes in one week. ydiva: Where are you chatting from right now? Tori: I'm chatting from Cornwall, England. We're mastering the new record tomorrow. And we're mixing the live record at the same time. And we're in the middle of beautiful stars and we're just after the new moon, so you can see the stars. I can hear the cows and sheep. Do you know that the Cornish say that they are not part of England? Steve: Are they part of Jersey? Tori: I don't really know. I am freezing my butt off. Steve: I'm in the heart of New York City and we're having a very hot summer here in New York. It is like living on Mercury it is so hot in New York. MrInvisible: What percentage of the profits will RAINN actually receive? Steve: ALL the profits from the sale of the shoes will go to RAINN. LabelleLucie: What led Steve Madden to become so supportive of RAINN? Steve: That's a good question. We don't do anything, meaning the company, it's my name on the door, I have a lot of people that work with me. We make shoes for women and I think this is an issue that doesn't get talked a lot about. It's not very glamorous. A lot of people walk around with a lot of shame over this stuff. And it leads to a lot of problems. And I think it's very brave what Tori is doing, and we wanted to say that we believe in it. You won't see us doing a lot of this kind of thing. They say you are as sick as your secrets, and it is very secretive and it's okay to talk about. And that is what is great about RAINN. Marygirrrl: I heard there will be a contest to win tickets at Steve Madden stores. Will there be one in the Boston area? Steve: We're having a drawing in our California stores for Tori and Alanis. There are about 10 or 13 Steve Madden stores. JungMC: What is RAINN? Tori: RAINN operates the national rape hotline. It's a 24 hour crisis hotline for victims of rape and sexual assault. And It works with 800 rape and crisis centers throughout the country. Mysticaldesigns: Thank you Steve Madden for supporting RAINN. I was wondering if there are any plans to display posters or literature about RAINN in stores to educate young women on sexual assault? Steve: There is literature about RAINN. lickyourheart: What size shoes does Tori wear? Curious. Tori: 7 sometimes 7 1/2. Depends... Kati658: Tori, when you started the RAINN foundation, were you overwhelmed? How did you deal with the enormous pressures of such an organization? Tori: This is very much a round table organization. There are a lot of people involved. I receive tons of letters. It's really ignited the passion from our side of it. It was quite clear that there were so many people whose hearts were breaking, because it was almost as if a nightmare had followed them around even on the sunniest days. It became clear that rape crisis centers did exist, but there needed to be a bridge built, and RAINN has in essence become the bridge. From the callers to the rape counselors. Sexual assault counselors actually. Marygirrrl: Tori, have you ever counted how many pairs of shoes you have? Tori: Well, it's quite decadent, but I can justify it. Because when you are tired of your artwork, you can just take it down and hang one of those luscious heels on your wall. And it's quite strange because I have a crew of a lot of men, and they are quite fascinated by my shoes. I don't know, i just sit there and I can't find my shoes sometimes because someone has made off with them. God knows what they are doing. I think men love women's shoes. I truly do because they are architecture. Steve: I think men like you, that's what it is. Tori: No, no, some of these men are like my brothers and there is no incestuous thing happening. I think they fantasize about the shoes. Steve: If I were a girl I'd wear 4 inch heels all the time. I'd wear tight pants. Tori: Then you'd need a chiropractor. Littlefignewton: Tori, your music means so much to all of us. you already know that. But what can we do to return the gifts that you give us through your music and your work with RAINN? Tori: When you're having a really bad day, and you think something a bit self-destructive, put your hands in the air, your index fingers above your head, one each, touch the air with them and say "horns." And make sure you remember that you have to stay around. So we can touch horns when I see you again. worshipyourtoaster: All of us are going to be so spoiled with this tour so soon, and an album of new stuff. But I was wondering if you got any kind of break in-between. Still no time for that well-deserved honeymoon? Steve: I didn't even know you were married. Tori: My husband is English, he's a recluse. He's a cynical git. He's a sound engineer. Yes, I got my well-deserved honeymoon, thank you. Moderator: What About a Steve Caton shoe for guys? Tori: Tell him he's going to have to shave his legs. Tori: Our first show on the tour is in Ft Lauderdale on August 18. We're going to be in Jones Beach NY on September 1. captain_nadaline: Are you guys going to collaborate on new shoes in the future? Steve: Absolutely. We can do some good. Why not? Tori: It's quite amazing to me how quickly Steve pulled this together. We were having lunch not that many months ago, and after that it was like, kaboom. Steve: It was easy to get shoes that fit you and it was a good cause, it made us work quicker. Moderator: Here's the link for the Tori and Alanis shows: http://commerce.bestbuy.com/tourdates.asp Question: Also I would love to know how exactly I could help RAINN seeing as I was a rape victim when I was in high school. Could you give me some information on how to either volunteer or become a member? Tori: They can call the RAINN hotline at 800-656-HOPE and then press 4 at the voice menu. carmbinola: I love shoes. It's a passion. If you could describe yourself as a shoe, what would you say? Tori: This one that Steve designed is really comfortable, which is quite tricky sometimes, getting a comfortable and a glamour shoe, because a girl likes to feel a bit glamour, you know. Even if you are just going to the Dentist or something, you need a bit of glamour. But you want to be comfortable because after all that novocane and stuff... That is the good thing about the shoe Steve has designed. The flat shoes and tennis shoes, yeah they make a lot of sense, but sometimes you need a little bit of that Bette Davis feeling sometimes. lynz_fee: Steve, what kind of styles are coming out for the fall? I love your shoes!!!! Steve: Good question. A lot of different stuff happening. A lot of tall shafted boots. A Lot of black. We are doing a lot of interesting dress shoes. Steve Madden is women's shoes. A lot of fun stuff, too, getting ready for the new year, the end of the century. Some exciting shoes, some crazy ones. gogirl_za: Can we please talk about the new album? Tori: I am mastering it tomorrow. It's almost midnight here. All the engineers have just gone to bed like the 7 dwarves. Because everyone gets up kind of early to start the mastering process. The album is called "to venus and back." As of now, there are 11 new tracks that no one has heard before. Meaning they weren't written for other records. They were all just written..quite rapidly. Erin561985: Tori, how's your new album coming along? Are there any new sounds or guest artists on it? Tori: There are quite a few sound experimentations happening. Mainly because my character on this album is forming and reforming like particles shifting. That will make more sense when you hear it. The guys I was on tour with played on the record. It was very much an insular project. The live record we start mixing as soon as we master this. Obviously we spent a lot of time on the new work, and the live show will be as close to a proper show as we can get. If you came to a show last year this could possibly be something like you've seen. Hopefully though it is the best of many shows in one. You'll get two discs in the packet. The studio album will be called Venus. Orbiting and the concert CD will be called Venus. Live. Still Orbiting. I think this is what must happen to you when you chase sheep all day. unchainedtwo: How did you join Alanis Morissette for the 5 1/2 Weeks Tour? Tori: This was truly Alanis' idea. The concept of us doing a double show together. She let me get a little frisky by letting me call it 5 1/2 Weeks. I made tea for her a few years ago when she popped back after a show on the Pele tour, the Dew Drop Inn, and we got on really well. So when she put this idea out there, it was quite good timing. danielrehn: What faeries were involved in creating the new album? Tori: The illegal ones. Moderator: What ever happened to the Tori and Michael Stipe duet? Tori: It's in the vaults right now. Moderator: Thanks for chatting with us tonight. Any words before you go? Tori (I think): I just want to tell everybody that though we have miles to go creatively before we see you out there, that we are truly looking forward to creating a bit of magic with you again. Sending you glitter and hugs... and take care of yourself from now until we see you again. Moderator: For more information about RAINN check out www.rainn.org or call 1-800-656-HOPE. For the auctions on the Tori Amos shoe it is auctions.yahoo.com. Tori: Thanks to Steve for creating the shoe. And for supporting RAINN to everybody out there for supporting RAINN. Tori or Steve: 1-800-656-HOPE, press 4 to volunteer, 2 for donations. Look for the RAINN booths and information about the shoes during the tour. And thanks to Yahoo for supporting our effort as well. Moderator: Thanks for chatting and good night Tori and Steve. Visit my website at http://fly.to/TheNoTORIousTori "But do I hate what she is, or do I want to be her." - Tori Amos - ----- Original Message ----- From: bluedenim To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [choirgirl] Tori chat!/Transcript > From: bluedenim > > I will try and get a transcript and post it to the > list soon! (It will be about 4 days I guess)...anyway, > I was SO mad that i missed it but since all they > talked about was shoes I guess I didn't miss muhc. > -Eric > > --- "Drew ." wrote: > > From: "Drew ." > > > > Eric, > > > > So I wasn't the only one that wasn't able to get in > > to the chat. > > If you hear anything about the Q&A transcript can > > you please let me know. > > > > Thanx > > Drew > > > ====================================================================== > > From: bluedenim > > Reply-To: choirgirl@onelist.com > > To: choirgirl@onelist.com > > Subject: Re: [choirgirl] Tori chat! > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:55:39 -0700 (PDT) > > > > From: bluedenim > > > > Well at least you got in!!!! I tried for 30 > > minutes > > and it wouldn't let me in!! GRRRR -Eric > > > > --- wisewoman > > wrote: > > > From: "wisewoman" > > > > > > > > > ok > > > so i just spent a fucking hour trying tomtalk to > > > tori but all that was going > > > down was conversations about shoes! was anyone > > else > > > there? > > > i'm really pissed man... > > > Rainbow Blessings > > > Melissa > > > > > > 'Some boy you are to take me by the hand > > > through an elevator, got a little red line > > > that tells you boy where the razors been...' > > > Tori Amos > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: bluedenim > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 7:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: [choirgirl] Tori chat! > > > > > > > > > > From: bluedenim > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds about right, yeah. -ERic > > > > --- "Drew ." wrote: > > > > > From: "Drew ." > > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > > > > > So we are agreed that Melissa will be joining > > > the > > > > > chat at 11pm her time > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > From: bluedenim > > > > > > > Reply-To: choirgirl@onelist.com > > > > > To: choirgirl@onelist.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [choirgirl] Tori chat! > > > > > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:46:43 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > From: bluedenim > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure Melissa is SO confused right now. > > LOL! > > > > > Dont' > > > > > worry about arguing with me, I'll go on for > > days > > > > > even > > > > > if I don't know what i'm talking about...you > > > have to > > > > > stop me lol. 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Go to http://www.onelist.com/ad/doubleday11 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:48:14 EDT From: Surreal00@aol.com Subject: Vote for Tori!!! (again) Apparently, the owner of the booth reset the scores. Sooooo Tori is back to a low number. Keep voting! This time we have a chance of catching SPORTY SPICE! Does Tori honestly deserve to be behind a Spice Girl? Didn't think so! http://www.freevote.com/booth/pen1 !riley! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:44:17 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a thought... (fwd) Again this is from my boyfriend ... who requested I give you his credentials ... he is an audio engineer at a huge professional studio and although he isn't signed at the moment, he is recording and mixing his own album right now. In a message dated 99-07-15 15:57:52 EDT, you write: << That was all very interesting, but it didn't address how an artist might get out of a contract, only how an artist could prevent rerelease of previously released records. >> Very simple. They pretty much can't, unless they can prove that the contract was signed in bad faith, under duress, or is criminally lopsided (and try to prove that one!). Another label may try to buy out the contract, or the artist can wait it out. >>"Tours are very expensive to put on"? I understand that Tori has already put on at least major portions of tours with her own money. I understand that all the shows after the October 10 New Orleans show last year on were entirely funded by Tori out of her own pocket, with zero backing by Atlantic.<< The begining of the tour was funded by Atlantic, The begining includes booking the entire tour and paying the sound and lights (very expensive), insurance and crew. Tori could do this herself, of course, but in today's market, she wouldn't make nearly as much money as she could with some tour support. Or, she could revert to smaller venues, which would be fine. >>"distribution"? You think she couldn't get at least as much distribution as Ani? Plus, she has us on the internet.<< As much as her, sure- but bear in mind Tori sells a lot more records than Ani does. Ani doesn't distribute records herself, she has the major indy distributors behind her, which is the same thing (almost) as a major label (which those same indies also distribute). >>"airplay"? Surely you jest. She doesn't get airplay *now*, that's the main reason she tours so much. (This is not an opinion, she has said this privately, so I know she feels that way.)<< Would you see her on VH1 storytellers as readily if she didn't get 'some' airplay? >>"promotion"? She can get all the ink she wants. Johnny and Natalie could take care of that, and indeed, they have been doing it already during tours<< Not necessarily. Since mags know they will benefit with other Atlantic artists (OK, guys- you do a Tori piece and we'll get you a Jewel story...etc.), they are more apt to write her up. >>And again, the internet is a huge factor with us; and Tori's people could do a better, more committed internet thing than Atlantic ever has<< Agreed. Atlantic has too many other concerns to deal with, and they see the internet fan base and know they don't have to do much. >>"manufacturing"? This is something I know very little about specifically, but again, if Ani can do it then why not Tori?<< Because Tori has to manufacture a _lot_ more product than Ani does. Her recording and mastering budget is way higher (Ani's recordings are not exactly the highest tech affairs, nor is the emphasis on fidelity). A pressing plant would have then commit their presses to maufacture the product, which is fine- BUT- if the plant has a major label artist to press, they will, because the majors are a steady source of work for them, and you don't want to bite the hand that feeds. >>In all but the rarest cases, by signing a deal musicians forfeit their ownership of any music they make under that contract.<< That's extremely misleading. The artist ALWAYS retains all copyright to material, unless specifically noted (very rare!). What the label owns is the actual, physical recording, which they paid for in the first place. A label also has the right to decide whether it wants to release material or not, and this is where creative freedom comes into play, or lack thereof. Of course, there's dozens of albums that are shelved (at an average of $150k each) each year because they bite, so you can imagine while labels tend to be a little paranoid in this area. >>I do think Atlantic has done a lot for her, and have treated her as a special case in a lot of ways, which was certainly appropriate.<< Well, you would have never heard her if it wasn't for them, cause nobody'd touch her with a ten foot pole after YKTR! <--- remember HE said this, not me :) kisses, joanne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:33:08 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: Re: Transcript! Got your transcript! Transcript bit - 14th July 1999 Woohoo!, Tori's turning into a brit!, just look at that vocab! :-), bit worrying, her husband sounds a bit like me, hang on all brits are cynical gits! Squidgy - ---------- >From: "Susan Stewart" >To: , , , "After The Rain" >Subject: Transcript! Got your transcript! >Date: Thu, Jul 15, 1999, 14:57 > > Tori: My husband is English, he's a recluse. He's a cynical git. He's a > sound engineer. Yes, I got my well-deserved honeymoon, thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:09:27 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: Re: Steve Madden's Tori Amos shoe I think its great that you asked about the shoe Lily - I think there should be a lot more non-leathery shoes around for sale, and the more shoe-buyers that speak out against leather - the better, even though it seems that leather is still much too popular, even some vegetarians seem to wear it. I would have thought it was a lot more natural to eat an animal, than to wear it. - ---------- >From: Lily Pixie >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Steve Madden's Tori Amos shoe >Date: Wed, Jul 14, 1999, 21:17 > > > Here is the email that I sent Steve Madden and his response! > (that is, if anyone is interested in an alternative to the leather Tori > Amos shoe! :)) > > To Steve Madden: > >> >Hi, >> >I noticed that you are currently carrying the Tori Amos Shoe for $89.00. I >> >would buy these shoes knowing that all of the proceeds go to RAINN except >> >for one factor. They are leather. Why would shoes that are in support of >> >helping abused women made out of abused animals? This is quite a >> >contradiction and at any price they are simply too hypocritical of humans >> >and animals. I adore Tori Amos and I love the style of Steve Madden's >> >shoes, however, they are made out of leather. I am only requesting that >> >for the "animal friendly" and "abuse free" customers you should atleast >> >carry synthetic man-made, vinyl, or other materials. This would please >> >more potential buyers out there than you may realize. I have a pair of >> >older Steve Madden shoes which I do not wear and will never wear again >> >because they are leather, and I constantly insist that my friends and >> >family do not buy leather. Thank you for your time, I am appreciative. >> >Sincerely, >> >Elizabeth M. Price > >>From Steve Madden: > >> Dear Liz, >> >> I see your side. Let's start with the girls. I hear you. >> We're doing the best we can. Remember, it's progress, not perfection. >> >> Love, >> Steve Madden >> >> P.S.- We're adding a color of synthetic "Tori" (animal friendly) black. >> Check out the internet beginning August. Keep the faith. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #211 *************************************