From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #208 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, July 13 1999 Volume 04 : Number 208 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: snowcherries and motormaids [Nadyne Mielke ] snow cherries from france ["Lauren DePhillips" ] Re: Starf*ckers full lyrics ["Vicki Siolos" ] wav files for grabs. [Talulagrl1@aol.com] Re: Just a thought... [Richard Handal ] Re: Just a thought... [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: Just a thought... [skh ] Vote for Tori!! [Surreal00@aol.com] CATON! [Greenorb21@aol.com] Re: from the choirgirl hotel ["Vicki Siolos" ] Re: blue skies... in atlanta on 8/21? :) ["Mr Zebra" ] Tori and Atlantic. [Beth Winegarner ] The Steve Madden Tori Shoe & Chat! [Mikewhy ] Re: Just a thought... [CallMySoul@aol.com] Re: Tori and Atlantic. [CallMySoul@aol.com] Re: Just a thought... [CallMySoul@aol.com] Re: Just a thought... [Richard Handal ] Re: snowcherries and motormaids [Tripp Gwyn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:16:47 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: snowcherries and motormaids At 09:11 PM 7/11/99 -0400, Katapilla7@aol.com wrote: [the lost bee-sides] > I was wondering if anyone ever got to hear these songs. I remember >when tori mentioned them in some article interview or whatever. have they >ever been heard by a fans ears. Nope. They haven't made it outside of the recording studio. :( /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:18:29 PDT From: "Lauren DePhillips" Subject: snow cherries from france I don't think I've ever even heard of these songs...does anyone know anything about them?? >Snow Cherries From France >Another one that I hope might be on the album is "To the Fair >Motormaids >of >Japan" ...another lost b-side.Joshiieee _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:19:23 -0400 From: "Vicki Siolos" Subject: Re: Starf*ckers full lyrics mmm, yummy, i want that poster *blushes* ...i would like a tori poster of her wrapped in cellophane too! woo! >Sorry to write again, all, but I just thought of something else. > The line "My god is wrapped in cellophane" most obviously >refers to Marilyn Manson. Anyone else seen the posters of MM >all wrapped in different colored cellophane? Most definitely >about him. Okay, that is all :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:52:40 EDT From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: wav files for grabs. i have several wav files from tori doing live songs, radio promos, etc. i will send several of these out to whomever wants them i dont require anything in return but if anyone out there can do me the favor i would appreciate it i am looking for some wav files from the cure, dead kennedys, and especially the simpsons if anyone has any of these let me know and i will be very grateful (or if you can point me in the direction as to where i can get these let me know) thanks you rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:08:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Just a thought... Nadyne said: > Four words: Y Kant Tori Read. I'll bet you that the instant she > leaves for another label, Atlantic would re-release that. Tori has renegotiated her contract with Atlantic at least once, so she's said before. She may have already had them agree never to re-release YKTR. I imagine we will find out eventually. My own opinion is that she wants and deserves more money for the work she's been doing (and to have to deal with less label/corporate idiocy), and if the YKTR issue has been or can be taken care of, after her contract with Atlantic runs out she'll get her own indie label together so fast it'll make your head swim. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:54:50 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a thought... In a message dated 7/11/1999 10:29:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nadyne@rmta.org writes: << Four words: Y Kant Tori Read. I'll bet you that the instant she leaves for another label, Atlantic would re-release that. >> I'm sure by now that Tori has bought out the rights to YKTR, most probably at a cut rate or for the repayment of recoupable fees or advances (usually $150k or less for a major label act, depending on the original advance). If Atlantic still owned it, they would have every right to release right now anyway, but why? It's doubtful that there would be enough interest besides the hardcore Toriphiles to justify the costs of re-releasing YKTR, not to mention that it would probably have to be re-mastered, promoting and distributing it, etc. Not only that, but a significant amount of Tori fans already have it anyway, making it even less desirable. joanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:05:02 -0700 From: skh Subject: Re: Just a thought... Tha Shaigirl wrote: > ...It's very obvious that Atlantic has never really cared too > much for Tori. I mean... didn't they send her overseas when she first > signed, because they thought she would flop or whatever? that actually makes sense to me, cos stateside, it tends to be only poppish bubblegum schlock that really becomes popular, while europe is a lot more open to alternative sounds, styles, you name it... you are prob right about atlantic not being real hip to tori, but they seem to have turned a nice penny with her so far... i found this article on another list, but it seems appropriate to post here. it outlines what recording artists go through to get deals, and how their contract radically affects their careers, and in some cases creativity... the article is at the bottom third of this page: http://www.coloradomusic.org/news.htm dream well ~~kelley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:47:31 EDT From: Surreal00@aol.com Subject: Vote for Tori!! Hey! I just discovered a little voting page where you can vote for The Most Stunning Woman In The World and as I was looking among the categories, I noticed a certain Ms Amos! BUT with only 2 votes!! So everyone help me vote for Tori!!!! http://www.freevote.com/booth/pen1 !riley! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:34:37 EDT From: Greenorb21@aol.com Subject: CATON! *********CATON NEWS********* This is just to get you all prepared.....Binge's CD will be available in days . Days!!! And you all need to hear it , because it is truly incredible . I also wanted to tell all of you who plan on seeing Tori's 51/2 weeks Tour to listen closely during the break time . Tori has generously offered to play Binge ! I also expect all of the "road dogs" to run up to Caton and give him a big hug/handshake/some other token of affection . He's made a CD that is so good , musicans have commented on how it sounds like it costs millions of dollars .You all must hear it...ask Matt Page , Dink , or Erin O'Neill for further praise . Some other Toriphiles have an advance copy also - ask around!! and many hugs go to MikeWhy, who also has the CD - -Laurie (GreenOrb21@aol.com) . I will answer any questions to the best of my ability ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:09:55 -0400 From: "Vicki Siolos" Subject: Re: from the choirgirl hotel actually, i was told they were piano strings...it seems more reasonable...but i never thought of that symbolism before (about the miscarriage)...i am so behind on torid tori-ness *pouts* loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "i wish i was blank" http://travel.to/desolate.winters - -----Original Message----- From: Deb Leccese To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 12:03 AM Subject: from the choirgirl hotel > >Hi all you EWF, > Just thought I'd ask an interesting question. On the CD of the Choir Girl >Hotel there is a pic. of Tori face down. Her middle finger is up. I don't >think that is a mistake. Something is in her right hand it looks like a >string but then I was thinking it might be a wire hanger. Maybe it's >symbolic of the miscarriage (the baby being ripped away from her. All >interesting opinions please reply!!! > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:57:10 EDT From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: snowcherries and motormaids In a message dated 99-07-11 22:29:05 EDT, Katapilla7@aol.com writes: << I was wondering if anyone ever got to hear these songs. I remember when tori mentioned them in some article interview or whatever. have they ever been heard by a fans ears. kat >> I think that someone posted to this list, or on the Dent, or something, that she was working on Snow Cherries at a soundcheck at one of the Florida shows. Of course, I could be WAAAY off on this, but it's what I thought I read somewhere. please correct me if I'm mistaken. ~* jo§h ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:41:20 EDT From: CallMySoul@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a thought... In a message dated 7/11/99 9:28:56 PM Central Daylight Time, nadyne@rmta.org writes: > Four words: Y Kant Tori Read. I'll bet you that the instant she leaves for > another label, Atlantic would re-release that. Which might explain why she hasn't bought out her contract yet...that and other stipulations I'm sure that Atlantic is threatening to throw at her if she leaves. Tori makes beaucoups money for them and they're going to do everything they can to keep a hold of her. Yours in Tori, Joshiieee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ webmaster of: "calling for my soul" URL: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4233/ owner and co-moderator of: "The Missing Pages" - - Tori Amos Philosophy list Info URL: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4233/philosophy.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:58:09 -0400 From: "Vicki Siolos" Subject: Re: snowcherries and motormaids I once heard a story from someone how it was so incredibly rare to hear "TO the Fair Motor Maids of Japan" that they had to give sexual favors to hear it...I was never sure whether to take them seriously or not. loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "i wish i was blank" http://travel.to/desolate.winters - -----Original Message----- From: Katapilla7@aol.com To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 10:28 PM Subject: snowcherries and motormaids > >In a message dated 7/11/99 8:53:04 AM PST, CallMySoul@aol.com writes: > ><< > > Snow Cherries From France > > Another one that I hope might be on the album is "To the Fair Motormaids of > Japan" ...another lost b-side. > >> > I was wondering if anyone ever got to hear these songs. I remember >when tori mentioned them in some article interview or whatever. have they >ever been heard by a fans ears. >kat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:59:49 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: A little Pet in her Igloo ? ~~Shai said: "I, personally, think Tori should start releasing her albums on her own label... that way she could have more say so in it all." Or... or... there could be sanctioned, free for all Grateful Dead-audience-type taping and boots galore and Tori could take a part of the (boot) (NOT MP3) profits ! Errr.... nevermind.... ;o) *hee* And ~Shai asked: "(Okay... does Tori have her own label, like Igloo or something like that in which she released Pet on or something or am I thinking about somebody else???)" Yep, or at least *did have*; not sure if anything's been happening with this lately. Has anyone heard if Pet was not only Igloo's first signed band, but also the *only* one ? Kind of like a tree falling in the forest, with no one around, was this one... BTW, Igloo is a label that Atlantic 'gave' (well, negotiated with) Tori; it's under the 'umbrella' of Atlantic records; not sure what the exact terms were, but it's not the same as Tori having her own, completely autonomous label, far as i know. That sounded awfully unsure... but this info goes back a ways. So basically, if Tori's label is an Igloo, Atlantic Records Inc. is Alaska. ;o) Hm. K. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:08:39 -0500 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: blue skies... in atlanta on 8/21? :) > I can't imagine how they could possibly do that song live, what would Tori > do?, dance!?, it would take a long time to plan a live performance of that > one! Not if she makes a guest appearance at HIS show. That's all he does is the DJ mixing stuff. It's like a rave that he's DJing, so if she shows up, he can play the stuff on whatever he does however they do that and she can sing it. It would be SOO cool. Matthew you say money isn't everything but I'd like to see you live without it. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:14:45 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Tori and Atlantic. Squidgy wrote: > I can't imagine how they could possibly do that song live, what would Tori > do?, dance!?, it would take a long time to plan a live performance of that > one! It would be unlikely, yes. When they recorded the song, BT had Tori sing over about 12 minutes of beats and such -- just had her kind of ad lib and make things up as she went. He then cut her vocals and put them together again so they sounded good against the finished cut. I doubt Tori even knows how it goes, in terms of the vocal. I would bet Tori and BT would get together privately, however. They've said that they're quite good friends. Shai wrote: > It's very obvious that Atlantic has never really cared too much for > Tori. god knows what shitty promotional techniques (or lack there of) they > use with her. I mean... singles galore with LE, UTP, & BFP, but the number > of 'em being released seems to be declining. Atlantic is actually fairly well known for signing acts which they develop, and give quite a bit of freedom to, over the years (as opposed to labels which sign whatever's selling at the time, then drop the acts after one hit album and one 'flop' album). Look at what they did for Jewel: signed her when she was only a hit on the San Diego cafe scene, let her album sit for a year while nobody bought it, and instead of giving up, gave it a major push. They've also been great for Led Zeppelin and Fleetwood Mac, who have been with the label for more than 20 years apiece. I think Tori actually gets quite a bit of promotion from the record company, which is comparative to the amount of albums she sells. Her albums have sold, consistently, about a million copies apiece (LE is probably double or triple that now). But Tori is not a big star in the music world; she's more of a cult figure, who brings in some sales, but who appeals to a very specific audience (one that is extremely hard to market to). They've done what they can, certainly, to let us know she's there and what she's doing; they've given her a great deal of promotion on their website and in their e-mailers, and they have given us tons of singles over the years now, with more rare stuff than most artists ever release. You don't know how lucky we are that "Winter" is not out of print, either! What I am trying to say is that I think, for the most part, Atlantic does what it can. It tailors its promotions for Tori based on the amount of albums she sells, and who she's selling to. Hootie is a completely different sales market (one that will buy just about anything). I don't think a media blitz on Tori would make her Madonna or even Alanis overnight. Her music is just not accessible enough for mass marketing. > So with all this... I wonder why Tori doesn't get her own label. You > know... like Madonna has Maverick and from what I understand... she > pretty much has most the control of what gets released when. I, > personally, think Tori should start releasing her albums on her own > label... that way she could have more say so in it all. Well, Tori has said repeatedly that she doesn't want to get involved in the management aspect of things. I don't know how much Madonna is involved with the business end at Maverick, but she's likely got control over its finances and everything, and that is something Tori is unlikely to want to do. She wants to make and produce her music, and be an artist, and let someone else handle all the pratical stuff. Beth (and lest you be suspicious, no, my email address has NOTHING to do with the record company!) - -- "And he gave her flowers in a lightning storm. They disappeared at night in green fields of silver corn. And sometime in July she just forgot that he was leaving. So when the fields were dying, she held onto his sleeves. She held onto his sleeves." (Dar Williams) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:15:23 -0400 From: Mikewhy Subject: The Steve Madden Tori Shoe & Chat! Hello Toriphiles, Debbie Andrews from RAINN (The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) wanted me to make sure that everyone was aware of a new promotion for the organization. Steve Madden has designed a new shoe with Tori's help called the Tori Amos, and 100% of the proceeds go to RAINN! You can find out more about the project in the press release I include below, as well as on my web site, A Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe. (The Dent's URL is in my sig.) There is a planned online Yahoo chat with Tori AND Steve Madden on Wednesday, July 14 at 6:00PM ET. Details on that are also in the press release below. Lastly, you may see on the Dent a small banner for this shoe. I encourage all Toriphiles who have a web site to copy that banner from my site and to place it on your own site to help promote the project. Thank you! Press Release... Tori Amos Unveils New Platform for RAINN Shoe Named for Singer to Benefit RAINN Washington, DC, July 1, 1999 -- A new fashion shoe named for singer and songwriter Tori Amos will be sold beginning July 1st, with proceeds benefiting RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network). The shoe, designed by Steve Madden, will be available July 1 at Steve Madden stores nationwide and at www.stevemadden.com. Tori and RAINN's relationship with Steve Madden began last summer, when Steve Madden Ltd. sponsored RAINN's presence on the 1998 Lilith Fair Tour. "Steve Madden has become one of RAINN's biggest and most committed supporters," RAINN co-founder Tori Amos comments. "When he and I sat down after my tour last year, we focused on two things: his groovy shoes, which I adore, and RAINN, the national hotline for survivors of sexual assault. What happened next? The Tori Amos Shoe for RAINN by Steve Madden." "We are thrilled to continue our relationship with Steve Madden Ltd.," said Scott Berkowitz, president and co-founder, RAINN. "Madden's customers, teens and young women, are the audience most at risk of sexual assault and the audience RAINN needs to reach. So the partnership is perfect for RAINN. Plus, the funds raised from the Tori Amos Shoe by Steve Madden will help us to continue serving victims of sexual assault." Tori Amos and Steve Madden will host a virtual chat party on Yahoo! Chat (chat.yahoo.com) to launch The Tori Amos Shoe for RAINN on July 14, 1999 from 6-7pm EST. Additionally, Yahoo! (www.yahoo.com), a global Internet media company, will host a charity auction on Yahoo! Auctions (auctions.yahoo.com) of autographed Tori Amos shoes, one in each of five colors. One hundred percent of the proceeds from the Yahoo! Charity Auction will benefit RAINN. Additional promotions for the shoe (including a contest, in conjunction with Atlantic Records, to win tickets to the Tori Amos/Alanis Morissette concerts will take place at certain Steve Madden store locations, as well as on the Steve Madden Website (www.stevemadden.com) and will be promoted through an online media campaign on Yahoo!. RAINN, operates the country's only nationwide hotline for survivors of sexual assault, 1-800-656-HOPE. RAINN's hotline--a partnership of 828 local rape crisis centers across the country--has helped more than 270,000 victims since it was founded in 1994. Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "I won't say GoodBye... only see you in the DreamTime. All of us, you, me will have adventures to share alchemy little SHAMEN in training we are never that far From Each other...interdimensional travel Until we meet again Hugs (it's a Bugs life)" Tori's End of Tour Message To The Dent - Nov 30, 1998 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:16:59 EDT From: CallMySoul@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a thought... In a message dated 7/12/99 6:24:58 PM Central Daylight Time, handal@min.net writes: > Tori has renegotiated her contract with Atlantic at least once, so > she's said before. She may have already had them agree never to > re-release YKTR. I imagine we will find out eventually. > > My own opinion is that she wants and deserves more money for the work > she's been doing (and to have to deal with less label/corporate > idiocy), and if the YKTR issue has been or can be taken care of, after > her contract with Atlantic runs out she'll get her own indie label > together so fast it'll make your head swim. > > Be seeing you, > > Richard Handal, H.G. Richard...if she's made a deal with Atlantic to never release it again, and she buys out that contract couldn't that end up being a stipulation to buying it out? It might make the contract they signed before null and void and therefore give Atlantic the rights again to re-release it....just wondering if that could be something that might happen. I also totally agree with the second paragraph about the indie label thing. Yours in Tori, Joshiieee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ webmaster of: "calling for my soul" URL: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4233/ owner and co-moderator of: "The Missing Pages" - - Tori Amos Philosophy list Info URL: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4233/philosophy.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:27:21 EDT From: CallMySoul@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori and Atlantic. In a message dated 7/12/99 6:58:55 PM Central Daylight Time, echoes@atlantic.devin.com writes: > It would be unlikely, yes. When they recorded the song, BT had Tori sing > over about 12 minutes of beats and such -- just had her kind of ad lib and > make things up as she went. He then cut her vocals and put them together > again so they sounded good against the finished cut. I doubt Tori even knows > how it goes, in terms of the vocal. Is this also why Tori HAS performed part of Blue Sky during concert (Melbourne, FL...10-18-96 to be exact) as in improv during Butterfly. I do seriously doubt that BT and Tori will be performing together, though. Yours in Tori, Joshiieee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ webmaster of: "calling for my soul" URL: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4233/ owner and co-moderator of: "The Missing Pages" - - Tori Amos Philosophy list Info URL: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4233/philosophy.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:20:17 EDT From: CallMySoul@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a thought... In a message dated 7/12/99 6:57:36 PM Central Daylight Time, XXXPandora@aol.com writes: > I'm sure by now that Tori has bought out the rights to YKTR, most > probably at a cut rate or for the repayment of recoupable fees or advances > (usually $150k or less for a major label act, depending on the original > advance). If Atlantic still owned it, they would have every right to release > > right now anyway, but why? It's doubtful that there would be enough interest > > besides the hardcore Toriphiles to justify the costs of re-releasing YKTR, > not to mention that it would probably have to be re-mastered, promoting and > distributing it, etc. Not only that, but a significant amount of Tori fans > already have it anyway, making it even less desirable. > I don't know about anyone else...but I have a copy, and if they were to re-release it I would definitely buy it anyway...as I think most Toriphiles will...considering the copies most of us have are dubs and cdrs...making the quality pretty shi**y Yours in Tori, Joshiieee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ webmaster of: "calling for my soul" URL: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4233/ owner and co-moderator of: "The Missing Pages" - - Tori Amos Philosophy list Info URL: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4233/philosophy.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:02:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Just a thought... Kelley told us: > i found this article on another list, but it seems appropriate to post > here. it outlines what recording artists go through to get deals, and > how their contract radically affects their careers, and in some cases > creativity... the article is at the bottom third of this page: > > http://www.coloradomusic.org/news.htm What a great article, Kelley! Thanks for telling us about it! Here's the URL for the article itself (so folks can go to it directly): http://www.coloradomusic.org/news.htm#stranglehold I think it gives telling insights into the kinds of corporate pressures artists with major-label contracts--including Tori--have to deal with. I could make a lot of comments on and discuss many ideas in the article, but for now, I'll just respond to this quote-- The head of a record company, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said he wasn't worried about artists releasing their CDs independently on the Internet. "How are they going to compete with someone putting $10 million into another Web site?" he asked. "Do you know how big the Internet's going to be? You're going to need infrastructure." Although I think this quote may have a lot of merit in some circumstances, when it comes to big artists with followings already in place such as Tori, the idea that an enormous corporate web site will be needed to somehow direct music consumers to product makes little sense to me. It also certainly is telling as to the level of hubris embodied by the major labels! Could anyone outside of their corporate fortresses be sorry to see them crumble? Although there seems to be little coming from either the Alanis or Tori camps in the way of opinions as to how the new recorded sound formats and the internet may end up changing the record industry, I do see the 5 1/2 Weeks Tour, with its sponsorship by MP3.com, as being a signpost of a fork in the road for the record industry. Alanis seems to feel likewise, as she's invested money in MP3.com. I hope the old ways record companies operate as described in that article *do* loosen up, being replaced in some instances by newer methods for artists to get the music out to their audiences; and that the music we end up being able to hear will come to be more a product of the organic nature of the creative processes of communities of musicians, rather than that of record companies acting as if they are air traffic controllers which orchestrate the promotional campaigns and tours of their stable of artists, more for reasons of them not conflicting with one another for magazine articles while producing mega-hit singles. I'm glad to see Tori involved even with the notion of being on the cusp of these changes. As mentioned by Arthur Spivak, Tori has been telling him for many years to get her more involved with the internet. Clearly, the number of online EWF who have been speaking to her around the shows during all her tours has had much to do with her awareness of the internet. Since Anthony Kosky created the Really Deep Thoughts mailing list in early May of 1992, concertgoers all over the world have been making the importance and relevance of this form of communication to we who enjoy Tori's music quite clear to her. Despite all the lunacy and the circus atmosphere which has developed when she sees folks around the shows, I think we mean more to her than most of us realize. Thanks again for sharing that article, Kelley. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:45:43 -0400 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Re: snowcherries and motormaids It was me. but I don't know if the song was SCFF. It had the Chorus line NO ANGELS HERE. I was going to post it, but haven't been able. I am trying to work out a deal now though. I'm trying I promise. AS soon as I'm able I'll post it. Tripp ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #208 *************************************