From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #194 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, June 29 1999 Volume 04 : Number 194 Today's Subjects: ----------------- *Scrapbook for Tori* [Belle7719@aol.com] talula video [Lauren DePhillips ] perfect wing [Lauren DePhillips ] Re: this new song [Beulahsd@aol.com] tripping [Lauren DePhillips ] Re: Barry Manolow :) hehe *READ*!! (delurking) [Solstice92@aol.com] Re: Tripping [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: Tripping ["Susan Stewart" ] Re: lyrics (more on Black-Dove(January)) [*ShaDy FeLiNE* ] God or Girl? [Surreal00@aol.com] Little Earthquakes re-released in the UK today. ["Mike Gray" ] Jackie's strength [Ingeborg Karen Nymand ] Getting in touch with Tori's mgmt [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Got a ticket to your late show... [Twinkle018@aol.com] one more word on Tori covers on this tour [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Re: Tripping [Starla ] Re: Tripping [Richard Handal ] Re: Got a ticket to your late show... [Desire ] MTV 10-Spot Commercial a Spark rippoff? [Tripp Gwyn ] RAINN Mention... [Tha Shaigirl ] Re: God or Girl? [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:59:16 EDT From: Belle7719@aol.com Subject: *Scrapbook for Tori* I am volunteering to be the person to write in the scrap book for the first Tori show on August 18th, here in Ft Lauderdale. I can buy the book if you guys want, whatever, we just have to figure out how to get it to the next person.. I can mail it I guess? The reason why I would love to do this is because this will be my first Tori show and I would love to document it in something that will be carried over to not just many other friends in Tori, but to Tori herself. :-) So please please with a cherry on top can I be the first to carry this torch? Love in all things Tori, Annie ~*unraveled*~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:16:44 PDT From: Lauren DePhillips Subject: talula video For some reason talula has always been one of my least favorite videos. Maybe I just don't get it...can anyone out there try to explain the symbolism of it. Maybe it would help.... lauren15@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7657 evening stretched her cloak ********************** King Solomons Mine's Exit 75 I'm still alive I'm still alive *********************** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:04:24 PDT From: Lauren DePhillips Subject: perfect wing For a quick interp of this (Someone asked if the lyric was wing or wink). The song says "all those up there are making it look so easy." To me this refers to the angels or the saints and the fact that it isn't that easy to be a perfect saint. And that a "perfect wing" or a saintly attitude can cover all kinds of sins.... lauren15@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7657 evening stretched her cloak ********************** King Solomons Mine's Exit 75 I'm still alive I'm still alive *********************** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:02:40 EDT From: Beulahsd@aol.com Subject: Re: this new song In a message dated 6/24/99 7:11:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, beulahgirl@hotmail.com writes: << am i being stupid when i say "me and you" doesn't sound like a tori title? i'm not doubting that i'll enjoy listening to it. but doesn't it sound like... a brandy title or something? >> is this the song on the end sessions c.d? i forgot already... peace and tori love, sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:10:22 PDT From: Lauren DePhillips Subject: tripping In my opinion the whole drug culture is well kind of stupid....I find it really annoying when I have to sit at a tori concert with pot smoke wafting through the air. I think people who do this are so disrepctful and crude. They obviously don't that everyone else around them has to inhale their fumes as well. Is there anyone out there that agrees with me??? lauren15@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7657 evening stretched her cloak ********************** King Solomons Mine's Exit 75 I'm still alive I'm still alive *********************** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:47:12 EDT From: Solstice92@aol.com Subject: Re: Barry Manolow :) hehe *READ*!! (delurking) me! me! pick me! *waves both arms up in the air in excitement* i haven't really established myself as a chatty EWF on the list, eventhough i've been on it for almost a year now, so i understand if you choose someone else to do this, but i'm going to be at the first show on the tour in ft.lauderdale and i would love to write in the scrapbook. i don't mind buying it. only, i don't know what wegman's is (i live in florida, i'm not sure if they have those here) but there are plenty of scrapbooks to choose from at barnes and noble. i wouldn't mind digging out the precious-things subcribers at the m&g to have them make an entry too (maybe we could all wear something distinguishing). also, i'll be at the tampa show too, so during or before the m&g in the afternoon, i could give it to the next person. anyway, let me know how things go. :) gabi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:32:23 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Tripping In a message dated 6/27/1999 1:10:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ssvidar@super.net.uk writes: << >From all the emails about Tori's so called 'trip's, with the amount of drugs she appear's to take, wouldn't that have almost certainly have contributed to her miscarriage...after all everyone knows they destroy your body. >> I am sure that she is smart enough to have not taken drugs during her pregnancy ... and natural hallucinogens are not known to destroy your body. Even LSD is a derivitive of ergot (a mold that grows on rye) which is taken in another form to relieve migraine headaches. Marijuana (which she has said she does rarely, because of her voice) does not cause miscarriages ... although smoking in any form will have adverse effects on an unborn baby. Ecstasy is a very dangerous drug (I have never and would never take it) because from dose to dose you really have no idea what you are taking ... there is no set formula or ingredients for it ... it may and often does contain PCP, LSD, heroin, cocaine, strychnine (rat poison, also a common additive to LSD), tranqulizers etc ... I know this since in my high school we had the oppurtunity to give a hit of acid or a roll (ecstasy) to our drug counselor and he would have it analyzed and tell us all of the stuff that was in it ... it was pretty interesting to say the least. But again I am sure that Tori doesn't roll often or after she found out that she was preggers and only a severe overdose would be strong enough to cause a miscarriage - we would have heard about it if Tori had overdosed on something. This is all besides the fact that most women have a misscarriage during their first pregnancy ... almost every woman I know has had one or two - this is a very common thing and can be caused by a number of things - like physial and emotional stress - two more likely candidates. <> Well in defense of Tori, her fans are typically of a high level of intelligence and are not easily persuaded in to doing or trying things that they really don't want to do. Tori does not try to be a role model for America's Youth she just tries to be herself ... besides do you think that the general public knows that tori has done ecstasy?? no, we know because we read all of the articles, are on mailing lists etc ... she doesn't publicize her drug use, she is just honest if she is asked about it. If you or anyone else has any further questions or confusion regarding the effects of drugs ... feel free to ask me ... I have done extensive research on many many drugs, especially LSD, which I wrote a thesis paper on for my psych class. kisses, joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:46:23 -0400 From: "Susan Stewart" Subject: Re: Tripping OK in ways I believe this and ways I don't. I believe in what squidgy said because yes, I am only 14 and Tori is my BIGGEST influence and I wish to be like her and in many ways I sometimes am (you can see it in my music, singing, the way i talk and think). Tori even took me out of my "dark" stage where i wanted everyone dead, she removed me from depression. A miracle my mom says. But I still take drugs. I am mostly inlove with them half the time. It's not good for you, this is a REAL person, a REAL bitchy teen talking to every other bitchy teen (im not getting paid to say thsi like those tv kids). I went to a rave, took some E...ended up really sick, possibly pregnant and regreting everything I had done. Did it change me? Nope, cause I am an asshole, slowly but surely I am getting the hint how horrible my drugs are...and what trouble they get me in. It's hard, I know. The people I hang out with are drug addicts...infact last night we funneled a ton of beer...is that cool? Nope, cause I stunk of alcohol, and reeked of smoke from the pot (that sweet smell gets icky after a while). So don't go to the place where I am, I have no life, but I am hoping that if I stop now, I will have one in the future. You don't need drugs for fun...why do you think we were born with that wonderful natural drug adrenalin (spelling??)? I know when I go skateing, surfing, anything...that fear and excitement kicks in, and it's a better feeling than any drug I took. Trust me. ~~*hugs*~ it's a Bug's Life, Susan "I believe in peace BITCH" - Tori Amos "Yeah, man. It's time to let de people get good herbs and smoke. Government's a joke. All dey wan' is ya smoke cigarettes and cigar. Some cigar wickeder den herb. Yeah, man, ya can't smoke cigar. Smoke herb. Some big cigar me see man wit', God bless! Me tell him must smoke herb." - Bob Marley http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palace/2017/TheNoTORIousTori.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: squidgy To: Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Tripping > > > >From all the emails about Tori's so called 'trip's, with the amount of drugs > she appear's to take, wouldn't that have almost certainly have contributed > to her miscarriage...after all everyone knows they destroy your body. > > Another thing,.. I'm very against 'artist's' including Tori Amos publicizing > their drug use, if they wish to take drug's that's up to them but I don't > believe the whole world, especially the fans need to know about it. Knowing, > through the help of the age poll which was held here recently, Tori does > have a lot of fan's who are entering adolescence, who are very vulnerable at > this early age to any outside influence, and if someone, such as Tori Amos, > who these youngsters can idolize, and wish to be like in every way claims, > almost boasts it seems, (its obvious some band's love to let people know > about their compulsive drug-taking, just look at Oasis) about her drug > taking,It wont do much good. I don't believe these fans are old enough to > have the sense not to experiment with these drug's which Tori claims to > include "Ecstasy", which can cause and has often killed many young > teenagers, lapsing them into a coma, and then into death.....I believe that > these artist's should have the sense to know that there are people who > almost worship them, and have the responsibility to act on that....and to > act sensibly. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:42:43 PDT From: *ShaDy FeLiNE* Subject: Re: lyrics (more on Black-Dove(January)) I have a completely different perspective to offer on the song. Although I still see it as more of a song about someone leaving, having left, and ultimately being in an abusive position - it has gained new meaning for me in the past three months. You see I was with someone. Who I believed then and whom I still believe to be my ultimate. He and I were just IT. Well to make a long story short, our year long cloud-ride through the heavens is over and has been for three months now. He wanted to have some 'meaningless girlfriends' for once, we live a little far apart, he claims to have lost love for me... things like that. It just hurts. I am ravaged every day and it really sucks. I have been searching for answers, and although I know it's not the right place to be finding SOLID answers, I have been throwing myself into Tori all day every day trying to find something inside of me that can help me answer these myriads of questions I have... anyway, Black Dove (January) has spoken to me a few times, all about the same things... she is telling me... 'Look girl, you have something these people don't know about. This is an opportunity for you to start all over. It's all over now, it got kind of crazy at the end, but you made it out, and if you're alive now, there is nothing but good things ahead of you. You made it. Now get out there and show them what you've got. ' She recaps what went wrong (so many storms not right some how...) and she tells me that i have a problem... (she has a january girl) there is another one of me now, another january girl and she is trying to tell me things i don't want to hear... she brings up all of these crazy theories as to what he's doing right now, why he didn't call, etc. she hurts me. i don't know... if you've made it this far i'm sorry for rambling and saying pointless things, the situation is at an extreme low right now, so forgive me please... does anyone see what i'm saying?? i lost my train of thought, i was thinking about him again... thank you all, Amy >From: MadDrizzle@aol.com >Reply-To: MadDrizzle@aol.com >To: Precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: lyrics (more on Black-Dove(January)) >Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:17:57 EDT > > >thoughts on "Black-Dove (January)"........... > >First of all I love this interpertation! Although i loved this album in >its >entirety the first time i heard it this particular song didn't speak to me >like it does now. I totally feel this whole song. And i too believe it's >about someone who has been abused somehow. Recently getting out of an >abusive relationship and then hearing this song again.......it just made >sense......... > >I just wanted to add my personal thoughts & feelings about this one small, >but rather important part of the song: > ><< you don't need a space ship > they don't know you've already lived > on the other side of the galaxy > the other side of the galaxy > the other side of the galaxy > > **People may think she's weird (space cadet or whatever). Maybe she acts > weird in relationships, but that's because they don't know that she had > these horrible experiences that effect how she interacts with others. > >> >For me, in this part, Tori is comparing the galaxy to the mind. It's deep >and vast and can take you to many places within yourself. And your mind >can >take you to places a Space Ship can't. The physical (being the space ship) >is illusionary....while the thoughts and feelings and everything else that >goes on in your mind is the reality. It also makes me think of how "the >other side of the galaxy" can also mean "the unknown". So she has been in >that part of herself (that before was unknown) and has learned things about >herself because of her autrocites that others around her may never expect >by >just looking at her. This reminds me of the quote that was on the Dent >last >week where Tori basically said that you don't know someone or what they've >been through by just looking at them. > >Love & Lip Gloss, >mad __________________________________*__________________________________ * birds fly over the rainbow....why....oh, why can't i? - Tori Amos Somewhere Over the Rainbow * one day, i am going to grow wings, a chemical reaction, hysterical and useless, hysterical and.... - Radiohead , Let Down __________________________________*__________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 01:07:24 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: Re: Tripping Regarding Tori's drug use, although I didn't mention it!,sorry, I was referring to the period before Tori became pregnant, I too believe Tori is intelligent enough to realize how important it is to be safe during pregnancy,... however many drug 'indulgers' before pregnancy, before they realize they ARE pregnant, will continue to ....how should I put this...take any old crap. Regarding L.S.D. this is a drug that can have severe long terms effects,including flashbacks, and is believed to cause psychosis, it can act as a trigger in someone pre-disposed to mental illness, there is also evidence that L.S.D damages chromosomes, but each taker is affected to different scales. L.S.D, according to the "British Medical Association" has absolutely no medical role, and I should think it would cause much uproar if it would used for the treatment of migraines, Marijuana, however is used for the treatment of Migraine and MS, but its up to the patient whether they wish to receive that particular treatment. Basically, with any drug you can't be sure, you may think, it may be proven a certain drug is safe, but from the dealer in the street you have no idea of what you're getting, be it the substance 'pure', (which is usually an overdose) or anything from rat poison to talcum powder - some have probably even tried dandruff!, and I'm pretty sure rat poison wont do you any good. Squidgy - ---------- >From: XXXPandora@aol.com >To: ssvidar@super.net.uk, precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Tripping >Date: Sun, Jun 27, 1999, 21:32 > > In a message dated 6/27/1999 1:10:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ssvidar@super.net.uk writes: > > << >From all the emails about Tori's so called 'trip's, with the amount of > drugs > she appear's to take, wouldn't that have almost certainly have contributed > to her miscarriage...after all everyone knows they destroy your body. >> > > I am sure that she is smart enough to have not taken drugs during her > pregnancy ... and natural hallucinogens are not known to destroy your body. > Even LSD is a derivitive of ergot (a mold that grows on rye) which is taken > in another form to relieve migraine headaches. Marijuana (which she has said > she does rarely, because of her voice) does not cause miscarriages ... > although smoking in any form will have adverse effects on an unborn baby. > Ecstasy is a very dangerous drug (I have never and would never take it) > because from dose to dose you really have no idea what you are taking ... > there is no set formula or ingredients for it ... it may and often does > contain PCP, LSD, heroin, cocaine, strychnine (rat poison, also a common > additive to LSD), tranqulizers etc ... I know this since in my high school > we had the oppurtunity to give a hit of acid or a roll (ecstasy) to our drug > counselor and he would have it analyzed and tell us all of the stuff that was > in it ... it was pretty interesting to say the least. But again I am sure > that Tori doesn't roll often or after she found out that she was preggers and > only a severe overdose would be strong enough to cause a miscarriage - we > would have heard about it if Tori had overdosed on something. > This is all besides the fact that most women have a misscarriage during their > first pregnancy ... almost every woman I know has had one or two - this is a > very common thing and can be caused by a number of things - like physial and > emotional stress - two more likely candidates. > < their drug use, if they wish to take drug's that's up to them but I don't > believe the whole world, especially the fans need to know about it. Knowing, > through the help of the age poll which was held here recently, Tori does > have a lot of fan's who are entering adolescence>> > > Well in defense of Tori, her fans are typically of a high level of > intelligence and are not easily persuaded in to doing or trying things that > they really don't want to do. Tori does not try to be a role model for > America's Youth she just tries to be herself ... besides do you think that > the general public knows that tori has done ecstasy?? no, we know because we > read all of the articles, are on mailing lists etc ... she doesn't publicize > her drug use, she is just honest if she is asked about it. > > If you or anyone else has any further questions or confusion regarding the > effects of drugs ... feel free to ask me ... I have done extensive research > on many many drugs, especially LSD, which I wrote a thesis paper on for my > psych class. > > kisses, > joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:29:19 EDT From: Surreal00@aol.com Subject: God or Girl? Hey..I was at Borders and I was looking in the Tori section and I came upon the God single. I remember someone saying God was a really rare single...or was it Girl? I cant even remember if Girl was a single so I couldn't remember which one was hard to find. Could anyone tell me? I want to know if I should buy it before I can't find it again. Thanky. !riley! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:49:44 +0100 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Little Earthquakes re-released in the UK today. Hi, A limited-edition of Little Earthquakes on *heavy vinyl* was released today in the UK. Not sure if it's already available in the US. Pricing - around 12-15 UK Pounds. On-line from http://www.action-records.co.uk Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:56:42 PDT From: Ingeborg Karen Nymand Subject: Jackie's strength "I saw a book in an airport about Jackie Kennedy Onassis...what a mouthful...and I opened the book and there was this picture of her in her wedding dress. She was so radiant and beautiful. I didn't think I was going to be a bride.When I was like 13, it was like, you're kidding. Me, a bride? I'm going to be a shiek, a shiekess. Obviously, that's changed." - -Tori Amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:53:31 PDT From: Ingeborg Karen Nymand Subject: Jackie's strength "My mother would talk about Jackie in tears saying, '...when J.F.K. was shot,the country was just torn to pieces because it was like, we are not safe,this woman, with her faith and deep love somewhere in herself, held the nation together.'" - -Tori Amos Hi all I was thinking about Jackie's strength today and was wondering is this song mostly about her own wedding og Jackie? Ingeborg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: Getting in touch with Tori's mgmt Well, as I promised, I called a new person in Spivak's office-- Mike Weaver. But I was directed right back to John Witherspoon, who's out of the office today. I will keep trying until I get him in person. That's my vow to you guys. I won't quit trying. - -jen === Sometimes I can hold my tongue sometimes not... - -"Honey", Tori Amos Thunder wishes it could be the snow Wishes it could be as loved as she can be... - -"Purple People", Tori Amos _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:05:33 -0500 From: "Bailey, Doug S" Subject: Re: lyrics Black Dove (January) is quite similar to Paula Cole's "Saturn Girl". Both speak of a girl living in an ostracized fashion, which, IMO, is what the songs are about. The girls feel like outsiders to whatever group or clique they would otherwise love to join. I'm sure both songs have a multitude of meanings, so I've no doubt pretty much any lyric interpretation is as valid as mine. Doug dbailey@ro.om ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:35:45 EDT From: Twinkle018@aol.com Subject: Got a ticket to your late show... Oh... I'm just loving this idea of this scrapbook. I will be at the Irvine show... the last one. I'd love to help w/ this as much as I can. I am from Gig Harbor, Wa. But, I'll be flying in from Seattle, Wa. a few days before the concert... please guys... let me know what you decide. I'll do my best to help out. Hee hee... smiles... smiles. Desiree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: one more word on Tori covers on this tour Okay people! I know a lot of you were going "Oh wow it would be so great if she did this song or... I would love to hear that song being covered" on this list a few weeks/days ago. Now hardly any of you have emailed me to resay this officially so Tori can actually play these requests for you. I'm calling her office today and I will be getting them some info pretty darn soon, so.... Who wanted "Crazy"? That was a good one. I can't recall any others but I know there've been some. Please request some songs for Tori to cover and think of any burning questions you might have and EMAIL ME. Okay? thanks, jen === Sometimes I can hold my tongue sometimes not... - -"Honey", Tori Amos Thunder wishes it could be the snow Wishes it could be as loved as she can be... - -"Purple People", Tori Amos _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:28:36 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: publicizing drug use Squidgy wrote: > Another thing,.. I'm very against 'artist's' including Tori Amos publicizing > their drug use, if they wish to take drug's that's up to them but I don't > believe the whole world, especially the fans need to know about it. Knowing, > through the help of the age poll which was held here recently, Tori does > have a lot of fan's who are entering adolescence, who are very vulnerable at > this early age to any outside influence, and if someone, such as Tori Amos, > who these youngsters can idolize, and wish to be like in every way claims, > almost boasts it seems, (its obvious some band's love to let people know > about their compulsive drug-taking, just look at Oasis) about her drug > taking,It wont do much good. I don't believe these fans are old enough to > have the sense not to experiment with these drug's which Tori claims to > include "Ecstasy", which can cause and has often killed many young > teenagers, lapsing them into a coma, and then into death.....I believe that > these artist's should have the sense to know that there are people who > almost worship them, and have the responsibility to act on that....and to > act sensibly. Without getting into a long argument over whether or not kids take drugs because their idols do -- not to mention whether or not healthy role models and healthy ideas about drugs and alcohol in moderation -- it's not like Tori is really publicising drugs that kids can get ahold of. The main one I've heard her talk about at any length is ahayuasca, which isn't something you can just go pick up on the streetcorner. That said, Tori speaks of drugs ONLY in moderation and ONLY for specific pursposes, and I think most kids ARE smart enough to figure out what she means when she says "I took this drug during a shamanic ritual and I met my own dark side." Beth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:42:59 -0500 From: Starla Subject: Re: Tripping > Another thing,.. I'm very against 'artist's' including Tori Amos publicizing > their drug use, if they wish to take drug's that's up to them but I don't > believe the whole world, especially the fans need to know about it. Knowing, > through the help of the age poll which was held here recently, Tori does > have a lot of fan's who are entering adolescence, who are very vulnerable at > this early age to any outside influence, and if someone, such as Tori Amos, > who these youngsters can idolize, and wish to be like in every way claims, > almost boasts it seems, (its obvious some band's love to let people know > about their compulsive drug-taking, just look at Oasis) about her drug > taking,It wont do much good. I don't believe these fans are old enough to > have the sense not to experiment with these drug's which Tori claims to > include "Ecstasy", which can cause and has often killed many young > teenagers, lapsing them into a coma, and then into death.....I believe that > these artist's should have the sense to know that there are people who > almost worship them, and have the responsibility to act on that....and to > act sensibly. I don't think that Tori has a responsiblity towards *anyone*. The only thing she is responsible for is telling the truth. If some idiot overdoses on drugs and their parents say that it was "because Tori (or anyone else, for that matter) did", then that's their problem. Whatever happened to PERSONAL responsiblity? Why is media and such so bent on assigning blame for young people's irresponsible actions to music, movies, TV, etc., etc.? Is it because teenagers are not as enlightened as adults? I think not. It's not Tori's fault that some people are weak of mind and therefore cannot think for themselves -- frankly, that's not her problem. This mere child of 16 has heard all about Tori's experiences whilst on drugs and opinions of them and still has no desire to touch them. If an adult were to go on a mad killing spree, people would say that they were derranged and needed professional help; but if it were a teenager, everyone would say "they MUST'VE idolized that devil warshippin' homosexual Marilyn Manson feller" (EVEN if they hated his guts, as was the case with the boys from Colorado). My 9 pesos... ~~Starla ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:52:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Tripping Oh nooooo! The return of the drug thread! I'm not ready for another 50 messages about this as we've had in the past! Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:29:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Desire Subject: Re: Got a ticket to your late show... heya, this's gotta be one of the coolest ideas i've heard for a concert tour. :) anyways, i'll be going to the concord, bakersfield, and irvine shows, and i'd love to take a part in this project. it sounds wonderful :) i beleive in peace, - ami "Some people say that I must be a horrible person, but that's not true. I have the heart of a young boy. In a jar. On my desk." -- Stephen King ami@blue.netnation.com - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.goldcom.com/~hegemon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:40:39 -0400 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: MTV 10-Spot Commercial a Spark rippoff? Has anyone saw the new 10-spot commercial on MTV. It's in black and white and consists of a woman who looks VERY much like Tori running through the woods from a car driven by a man you never really see. I swear it reminds me so much of Spark it's not even funny. And the woman looks so much like Tori. I guees the video has sort of become one of those pop culture things. Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:34:09 GMT From: Tha Shaigirl Subject: RAINN Mention... A friend of mine handed me an article torn out of "The Key" magazine, Summer 1999. As I skimmed it, it was talking about Safety Tips on campus, in the office, at home, etc... at the very bottom it mentioned a little note saying: "If you don't know where to call for counseling or advice, try the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN) at 800/656-HOPE. Your call will be routed to the nearest rape crisis center." Honestly, I had never heard of RAINN before I started getting heavily into Tori. I don't think it's promoted all that often... at least, not enough. But I thought it was cool for "The Key" to mention it. It's some kind of fraternity magazine or something. I dunno... just thought it was worth the mention! ~Shai _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:19:49 EDT From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: God or Girl? In a message dated 99-06-28 19:12:15 EDT, Surreal00@AOL.COM writes: << Hey..I was at Borders and I was looking in the Tori section and I came upon the God single. I remember someone saying God was a really rare single...or was it Girl? I cant even remember if Girl was a single so I couldn't remember which one was hard to find. Could anyone tell me? I want to know if I should buy it before I can't find it again. Thanky. !riley! >> Hey riley, Just to clear this up, there is/has never been a Girl single, unfortunately =) The 4 songs made into singles from Little Earthquakes are Crucify, SIlent All These Years, China, and Me and a Gun. There was a very limted edition Precious Things single released, that had some b-sides that later showed up on other singles from that era. As far as the God single, the US version is very easy to find, I see it at Tower/Borders all the time. it is the one that has Home on the Range: Cherokee Edition, and the piano solos - All the Girls Hate Her and Over It. There is a limted edition God single as well as a UK edition. The UK edition came with remixes on it, but I'm not sure the track listing on the limited edition copy (if there is one. is it Cornflake Girl that is limited ? or are there both of them. my mind is a little loopy, I just got back from college registration. I have 11 classes first semester...aye carumba) Hope this helps, riley ~* jo§h ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #194 *************************************