From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #165 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, June 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Toriphile/EWF ["nicole m. labbe" ] ToriHelp (was Re: Sister Named Desire) ["Megasusİ" ] Re: NY Cornflake Girl preformace [Richard Handal ] Re: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd [Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Gl] Re: Toriphiles vs. Ears With Feet ["Megasusİ" ] Re: Tori videos ["Megasusİ" ] Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] AOL Tori chat: little rascals clubhouse ? ;o) [Wake UpNeo ] Re: Rabbit book [skh ] Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! [glytter grrl ] Re: NY Cornflake Girl preformace [skh ] Torifest [Heather980@aol.com] Re: Pigs [John Drummond ] Tori's Spelling (hehe) [Super Chick ] Re: AOL Tori chat: little rascals clubhouse ? ;o) [Super Chick ] Re: Sister Named Desire [John Drummond ] Re: Tori Videos [Victoria C Myers ] Re: exclusionary Tori fans [Victoria C Myers ] Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! [Ray ] Re: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd ["Susan Stewart" ] Re: Tori keychains ["Susan Stewart" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:37:10 -0400 From: "nicole m. labbe" Subject: Re: Toriphile/EWF >You're a Toriphile if you like purple T-shirts, and you're an EWF if you >like green T-shirts. Don't ask me what you are if you like both. :) what do you do if you're an EWF, but you like purple shirts? :-) nicole +::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+ nicole@torithoughts.org ICQ# 9479828 AOL IM: gickie7 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/4654 +::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 21:20:09 -0700 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: ToriHelp (was Re: Sister Named Desire) Hicky3000@aol.com wrote: << That's the lyrics according to ToriHelp (tm) >> > anyone know where i can get that? i used to have it before my computer crashed Yep yep.. you can find it here: http://stuff.to/tori/index.html For anybody who doesn't know about ToriHelp ... it has all the lyrics to every Tori song including b-sides and even covers. :) It's a neat lil thing.. yep yep it is... :D (Just wanted to point out how much I enjoy it.. teehee..) So... everybody should go download it right now! Go! Download! You'll be glad you did!! (okay, you don't have to.. but it's recommended... :) - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 *~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* *~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* "I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:40:38 -0400 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Re: NY Cornflake Girl preformace Hi Terry and Everyone, When i saw her in Melbourne florida in 96 she did the dance, for a little bit longer thna she did in the rainn video, i think i remember her making the tummy and rocking gesters too. I dunno if this helps any, but i thought i'd through this in. > but i was > wondering if anyone knew why she did that little dance and what it really > means, any info would be greatly appreciated. > Be Well Erika *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "so then love walked up to like, and said i know that you don't like me much let's go for a ride " "some things only she knows" *~ Tori Amos ~* *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:11:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: MTV's review of Tori's RAINN concert Kim said: > Since I am considerably new to this list, I am sure most of you have > already seen the review MTV gave Tori's RAINN concert in Madison > Square Garden. I was wondering what anyone's opinion is of it. The phrase, "ignorant, self-satisfied smarminess" comes to mind. > I don't know why it irritated me so much. Getting genuinely upset over such idiocy really does give far more power to those who write such drivel than they deserve. Especially when it wasn't even written by a professional journalist, as that thing seemingly wasn't. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:26:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: NY Cornflake Girl preformace Terry said: > Has anyone never noticed that while she is doing that dance, she > moves her arms up and down in front of her stomach, as if to show > that someone is pregnant, and then she starts rocking her arms like > she is rocking a baby? Yes. :-) > I know that this show was a just little while after she had her > miscarge (oh i still feel so bad for her), but i was wondering if > anyone knew why she did that little dance and what it really means, > any info would be greatly appreciated. Although she had already been doing a dance before Cornflake Girl earlier on the DDI tour in '96, she apparently first did those moves as you describe on July 21 in Portland, Oregon. When I saw her do that during that show my thought was that she was trying to tell us she was pregnant, especially when she said "I think I'll be a good mother" when she was introducing Muhammad as she told the story of Christmastime with her folks, and spoke about all the children at the church. As we all know at this point, she was not pregnant then, but it did set off a ripple of rumors as she continued to perform those moves in the Cornflake dance during the remainder of the tour. If anyone wants to ask her about that stuff then be my guest, but I don't really think that's the best idea. My only thought about all that is that it was some form of wishfulness on her part. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:58:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Glass) Subject: Re: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd Just for everyone's info, I wanted to report that I received this CD in the mail about 2 days ago. I had ordered it a few weeks before that, possibly a month. I honestly can't remember when I ordered it exactly. I've listened to it once, and it's not bad. I enjoyed the Lauryn Hill cut. Has anyone else received theirs yet? Cynthia Glass http://www.angelfire.com/il/glassasylum ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 21:34:13 -0700 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: Re: Toriphiles vs. Ears With Feet Thisbe5716@aol.com wrote: > Why does there have to be a difference between a "Toriphile" and an > "Ear With Feet"? I've used both terms to describe myself at different times, > depending on the circumstances. Usually, if I'm talking to someone who is not > that familiar with Tori and her music, I'll say I'm a Toriphile. If I'm > talking to someone who knows enough about Tori to understand the term EwF, > that's what I'll call myself. Hear hear! I agree totally! The whole "Which are you?" thing.. I think it's personal choice. You can be either.. or you can be both. I personally like EWF better, because it's a name Tori herself came up with. I wonder if she realizes how much we use it? :D Anyway.. I think if somebody wants to say they are both, that is perfectly fine.. because in my book, they mean basically the same thing... it's just that Tori came up with one, and fans came up with the other. > To me, it's not about which one is which. We're > all Ears With Feet, and we're all Toriphiles. Yep yep. :) I agree (Sorry, don't mean to pull a 'me too' but there's not much more to be said. Amy said it perfectly :) > There have been a few times since I joined this list that some people > have gotten a bug up their asses about what is a "true fan". Who cares? If > you are one of those people who dedicates 98% of your life to the relentless > pursuit of Tori, that your choice. Exactly.. and while many -do- make that choice.. many can't, or don't want to.. but that doesn't make them less of a fan.. it just means they have other things to do in life. (Which most of us should... but I sure don't! ;) > Those of us who don't have the time or the > resources to find this information truly appreciate what you do. I can > honestly say that the information I get from the people on this list makes > Tori's music mean even more to me than it did before (and I didn't think that > was possible), and I thank each one of you for taking the time to do this. I agree with that too. People like Mikewhy who dedicate so much time and energy to helping other fans.. it's great. I love typing "Tori Amos" into a search engine and coming back with all kinds of people's hard work and sharing of information, pictures, sounds and more. After reading FAQs, interviews and other things, I came to appreciate Tori and her music even more. :) I didn't even learn about RAINN until I saw something about Best Buy sponsering a RAINN benefit concert. And when I first saw RAINN I thought it was the name of a group Tori was playing with! :D So... people who dedicate their time to help other fans are just awesome... but it doesn't necessarily make them bigger fans.. they're just more willing to help and spend time doing the research and work, and we all appreciate them for that. (Well, most of us do anyway.) > That being said, I don't think that knowing what kind of toenail > clippers Tori uses makes one person a bigger fan than another. It just means > that one person is more informed than the other. The purpose of this forum is > to SHARE information, not to flaunt it in other people's faces.... "Ha ha, I > know this and YOU don't.... I'm a better fan than YOU!" (To be fair, I've > never seen anybody do anything QUITE that rude, but I think you all know what > I mean) LOL! Well, I've actually seen some people do that. "I've got more Tori singles than you, so ha!" "Oh, yeah? Well, I'll just have to go pay for that stack I have on hold at the music store. Hrumph." I've been in that situation with a few people. Sucks. ^^; > Finally, I take exception to this statement: > > >>If you have any critisism of Tori, her music or her actions, then > you definately *don't* fit the definition of EwF<< > > I'm sorry, I don't mean to flame, but that is a pretty ignorant comment. One > of my best friends in the world is a writer, and a damn good one too. I love > his work.... I'm also his harshest critic. The only way an artist can improve > is if they are able to identify their mistakes as well as things in their > work that are not working. Let me put it to you this way... if you are > walking around work (or school) with toilet paper on your shoe, who is going > to be the one to tell you about it? Someone who doesn't care about what > happens to you, or your closest friends who don't want to see you humilated? Oh... Amy.. I just LOVE that analogy. :) I mean.. yeah.. it's kind of embarassing when somebody tells you there's a booger hanging out of your nose, but would you rather 50 more people saw it and laughed at you and you walked around all day wondering why? :) Of course, there is a HUGE difference between "I hate your work" type criticism and "I think you could improve on...." type CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. :) If somebody says "I hate Tori. Tori sucks. Tori is the worst musician ever." And then you ask "Why?" and they say "I dunno, she just sucks." Then you can say they're probably not an EWF or Toriphile. :) > I feel better now that I've gotten that off of my chest. Thanks to all of you > who made it through this post! No, thank you! I enjoyed it. :) - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 *~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* *~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* "I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 21:38:23 -0700 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: Re: Tori videos becky wrote: > On this same note - > > Why does Tori share the stage with so many children in her videos? I'm > going to assume that it's because she's trying to show the inner child and > little girl that always exists. I will always say "Punky-Power" and have a > weakness for Barbies for the rest of my life, so I can understand why . . . > maybe. Any thoughts? I think, like you said, she's trying to show a bit of her inner child.. but I also think maybe it's because she just has a love for kids. I think Tori would make an awesome mommy.. :) Anybody think she'll try to have a baby again sometime soon? I think that would be very awesome.. after seeing her work with kids, it would be so sweet to see her with a child of her own. Maybe that's why she has so many kids in her videos. I don't know the real reasons, but that sounds like it could be at least part of it. :) - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 *~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* *~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* "I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:28:46 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! I admit, I was rather taken aback by what this person wrote (dont remember who) as well! Im sure s/he didnt mean to sound nasty (?!). Anyway, I agree 100% with joanne on this one! Thanks! Daisy Melanie daislen@wctc.net ...she's in parties... > > In a message dated 6/5/1999 1:12:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > betheqt@voicenet.com writes: > > << A Toriphile can also be an Ears with Feet, but not all are. A Toriphile is > someone who is really into Tori, like an audiophile is into really hearing > music. So most everyone on the lists and those obsessed in RL(tm) are > Toriphiles. Some of those are also Ears with Feet. What keeps a Toriphile > from being an EwF? If you have any critisism of Tori, her music or her > actions, then you definately *don't* fit the definition of EwF. If you > constantly skip over certain songs on her albums, then you are simply a > Toriphile. An EwF is completely accepting and willing to listen and > attempt to understand everything Tori does. >> > > > What a horrible thing to say!!! I really don't mean to be rude, but I was > really bothered by this comment. When Tori coined the phrase Ears with Feet > she said nothing like this .. here is the exact quote "I want to say hi to > everybody on the web... we're winding down the tour, and it's kinda really > sad, and I'll be gone for two years, but just... know that you've really > sometimes made me feel good when things have been really bad (sobbing), and > just know that I really respect you, not as... I hate the word fans, I... I'd > like to call you ears with feet, and never use the word fan again because > your ears with feet." and the URL where you can read it and download a sound > file of it(on the dent) http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/molly/PAGEONE6.HTM > Tori said nothing about who should be designated an EwF ... that was made up > by someone who felt like being exclusionary (a trait that I have > unfortunately found quite often in Tori's fans). She meant EwF to be for ALL > of her fans, not just those who conform to and obsess over everything that > Tori feels or does. That is not a true fan. It's the fans who must > criticize, and not accept everything someone does because of who it is!! The > true fan is the one who recognizes the weaknesses of their "idols", not the > one who blindly accepts whatever crap they put out because they are gripping > the last branch jutting out of dead man's canyon! > > please, get your sources straight and next time - take the time to actually > read what Tori said instead of putting words in her mouth and making yourself > look bad. > > I'm sorry if this upsets anyone, but it had to be said, I believe that the > above description of an EwF was disgraceful to Tori and that she would be > upset at the false interpretation of her words. > > > kisses, > joanne > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 06:40:32 GMT From: Wake UpNeo Subject: Tori keychains Tha Shaigirl asked: I was wondering if anyone knew of a place, either on the internet or a store near you, that carries Tori Amos keychains. No, but here's one idea: at a photo store, discount store, craft store, etc., you often see those plain plastic keychains that you can slide a small photo inside of ? If you can't find any manufactured Tori keychains, you could always buy one of those photo-holder-keychains and put a pic of Tori in there. You could get a photo you or a friend took at a meet and greet, or print out a .jpeg off the 'net. Or even put a magazine photo on cardboard if ya had to, and put that in there. Just an idea =) K. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 06:23:34 GMT From: Wake UpNeo Subject: AOL Tori chat: little rascals clubhouse ? ;o) Natalie Ballard asked: Are there any AOL users on the list who go into the Tori Amos chat, only to be repeatedly snubbed by the people in there? Yes !!! At the risk of someone accusing me of 'bitching', I still had to answer this one. And it isn't just me, i've asked others in IM and they say this too. Last time i was in there i said some of these same things. I was ignored as always. Seems like a private room cos it's just like a little rascals 'he men woman haters' clubhouse except they seem to be newbie haters instead. That's their right, it's a free country right ? Except that it's against AOL TOS. Cos we all paid the same fee they did to join AOL and they are doing this in a public chatroom. They don't only snub everyone outside their clique; they call names, curse, attack, and generally are abusive as well. They are never discussing Tori, True, i've never seen this either. Lots of other odd things, in gory detail, but never Tori or her music. and they always use each others' real names, which is very rude in a public chat room. Yeh. That's designed to be exclusionary too, i'm sure (before i get flamed on this; it isn't exclusionary automatically, in and of itself, but together with all of the other things, it is, imho). (How can anyone else jump into the convo when they have no idea who's addressing who, and they don't wanna be rude and use real names ?) If they want to have a forum with their friends, they can go into a private room... This is exactly what i said, the last time i braved going there. To no reply of course. I really don't get it. It isn't a Tori room at all it's a clubhouse of some unknown flavor. The point here, is that any public room is supposed to be under AOL TOS, which forbids cursing, scrolling, harassing other chatters, and basically everything that happens constantly in this room. But it all comes down to: if they don't want others in there, why don't they make it a private room ? I can only conclude the anti social stuff isn't the real factor; it's more like they get off on harassing other people. They couldn't do that if it was only them in the room. So, they leave it open to the public, and posture all over newbies (new to the room) instead. but some of us want to talk Tori, and we dont appreciate being run out of there. So how about making another Tori room on AOL ? Any takers ? :o) Then they'll have to start beating up on, or ignoring, each other instead ;o) BTW, i remember Tori mentioning in an interview once, that she tried to go into a chatroom, only once, and no one would talk to her and so she left. Which chatroom or server wasn't mentioned. But when i mentioned this in the Tori Amos AOL chat guess what they said ? "Tori sucks". Mm, okay. Just my thoughts. Thanks for letting me rant ;o) K. "I could be wrong i could be right I could be black i could be white May the road rise with you" --PiL _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:44:17 PDT From: Ingeborg Karen Nymand Subject: Re: Pigs >:>) Does anyone know the significance of the pigs? : BFP cover and picture The pigs is the ugly, evil, bad parts of ourselves we have to accept. cause nature is loving and cruel at the same time. Ingeborg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 06:13:06 -0700 From: skh Subject: Re: Rabbit book it is called When Rabbit Howls... ~~kelley Jennifer Lynn Roth wrote: > I forgot the name of the book some people were talking about in reference > to the discussion of the meaning of "rabbit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 06:58:37 EDT From: glytter grrl Subject: Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! >>I wasn't trying to express "better than", just that the folks Tori refers >>to as "Ears with Feet" are also the folks she considers her "core fans" >>(from a seperate interview)>> ok, great....so now Ears with Feet are the select few "core" fans who have been around since the beginning of time and get to travel to every show? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:44:54 GMT From: Terry Ferrell Subject: Viginia Stores This question is for all the EWF in the Virginia area. Do any of you know any stores that sell Tori bootlegs or hard to find stuff. I know that there is a store in Richmond called Soundhole that sells bootlegs of Tori, which is where most of my bootlegs has come from. But if you know of any others, please e-mail and let me know what it is called and where it is located. Thanks in advance, Terry AIM---PoetMan888 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 06:11:13 -0700 From: skh Subject: Re: NY Cornflake Girl preformace Terry Ferrell wrote: > .......Has anyone never noticed that while she is > doing that dance, she moves her arms up and down in front of her stomach, as > if to show that someone is pregnant, and then she starts rocking her arms > like she is rocking a baby? yes... fans noticed that she began doing that about the time she would have first known she was pregnant, and continued doing that after the miscarriage--not the "belly" part so much as the rocking part, after the loss... i don't think any fans knew that she was "officially" pregnant until after she had lost the baby, and this was one of the signals that tipped fans off that she may be pregnant, when infact she was... :\ ~~kelley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:11:43 EDT From: Heather980@aol.com Subject: Torifest I live in Tulsa Oklahoma and I read something about a Texas/Oklahoma torifest of some sort. Could someone please clerify what this means?? Is the godess actually coming to OK?? I've never seen her live before so this could be huge!! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: Re: Pigs Y'all, Okay, I think the piggy she's suckling is at least partially statement about Trent Reznor, and a link to their music. Trent refers to himself as a pig in his music, he calls himself by that name, and by having a picture of a piglet, this context places Trent Reznor in the arms of a nurturing Tori, and she's said in interviews that she does nurture him, she goes and bakes chicken for him and things... anyhow, Tori does a similar thing, she refers to herself as a butterfly in songs (most noticeably in "Butterfly" and "Mary", though the metaphors there are kind of backwards and wild), since "Butterfly" is about her at-the-time failing relationship with Eric Rosse. "Honey" was a similar song, in that vein. Anyhow, I digress... so the pig is Trent, and Tori is the mother figure. Okay... 2,000 more cents, John === ain't no way i lost this war and ain't no way you won _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:25:41 -0400 From: Super Chick Subject: Tori's Spelling (hehe) Ha, sorry, I couldnt resist a stupid little pun. Okay, so several times on the list I have noticed people talking about how Tori erratically spells some of the words in her lyrics...I myself havent particularly noticed this, so could some kind and golden soul perhaps give me some examples of this? Thanks in advance! Cheers, Natalie AOL Instant Message SoCenRain "give me life give me pain give me myself again" ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:24:13 -0400 From: Super Chick Subject: Re: AOL Tori chat: little rascals clubhouse ? ;o) As always, Miss Wake Up Neo says what I mean, only in more flowery language :) <> I can honestly believe that Tori went into that room, only to be snubbed...and isnt that the ultimate irony?? I once went in there, hoping that there was someone in there with half a brain, and I saw someone with the screen name IRapedTori. And s/he was carrying on a conversation with everyone in there like they were old friends. Silly me expected some sort of indignant outcry at this.... <> You're right...I've heard a lot of anti-Tori sentiments in there. I'm not sure why that room bothers me so much....I guess I just want to understand how everyone in there can be such a Cornflake Girl :) and obviously get their rocks off on berating others. Once I went in there and told the kiddies that I was a sociologist doing a study on the nature of cliques....and, as always, I was utterly ignored. Sheesh. Nothing gets through to these people. <> I told several people that I was going to create a room called No Snobby Tori Fans :) Cheers, Natalie AOL Instant Message SoCenRain "don't dream it, be it" ________________________________________________________________ Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use from Juno, the world's second largest online service. Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Toriphile/Ears with Feet Hello: I have to say, it's always eye-opening when I find out the things people have been running through their minds. I wonder if Jimmy Buffet fans have discussions about what constitutes a Parrothead. Somehow I doubt that. Anyhow, "Toriphile" is a standardized way of taking a subject and referring to the people who have are lovers of or have "an affinity for or a strong attraction to" the subject. Simple. The Merriam-Webster online dictionary says-- Main Entry: 1 -phil Variant(s): or -phile Function: noun combining form Etymology: French -phile, from Greek -philos -philous : lover : one having an affinity for or a strong attraction to The 1982 revised edition of the Random House College Dictionary that I keep nearby says-- -phile, a word element meaning "loving," "friendly," or "lover," "friend," used in the formation of nouns and adjectives: Anglophile; bibliophile. They go on to say it's from the Greek -philos meaning dear, beloved (occurring in proper names). I'm not going to break out the OED on this one, this is far too basic to bother looking in the mother of all English language dictionaries. As has been pointed out already, Ears with Feet is a term Tori came up with, and if anyone has asked her for a specific definition then please share with us. Otherwise, we seem to be left with her own words on the subject which indicate simply that to her, she is using it because she doesn't like the word fan. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see that some people have invented their own highly specialized meanings for these terms, but unless and until those additional meanings are clearly what is agreed upon when folks use one term over the other, those serve to show more what a single person is thinking than they do what generally accepted definitions are. So, to whoever it was who asked what I thought was a no-brainer, simple, straightforwardly answerable question, thank you. The responses have been eye-opening. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:03:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: Re: Sister Named Desire Y'all, Okay, never having read anything Sandman-related, the idea of that song was much different to me... see, the way I saw that song was that it was part of a set, it was the trilogy of "Frog on my Toe" and "Sister Named Desire" and "Alamo", and they're all Southern-themed songs, she's talking about Jethros and pappies and taters in the first, and inventing telephone lines and fandangos and the Alamo in the last, and "Sister Named Desire" I always thought was a retelling of "A Streetcar Named Desire". That was the first thing that came to mind. It talks about a girl losing her sway, or her groove, and that was similarly discussed in "How Stella Got Her Groove Back", which is a stupid thing to bring into this I know, since Tori and most mainstream movies have fairly little in common... but anyhow, in "A Streetcar Named Desire", there's the idea of Stella losing her mind, and that really came out to me in the song, and the idea of talking about "the girl lost her sway that day", it brings to mind old women sitting on the porch, like, "Lord, Margie, remember back in '27, that day when Stella lost her sway?" "Well, accourse I do, Karen... my gracious, that day...", you know? It's the idea of it all being a very public thing, and that everybody was a witness and is still talking about it, but in essence, since she still can sway, she never did lose it, so all of that gossip was a bunch of, well, gossip. It never went farther than the old womens' mouths, nor had it any basis in fact. It's in my mind about womens' relationships with each other in the sense of the lipsticks coming out in the bathroom like Tori said, that those lipsticks are "the heaviest artillery in the world" or some similar analogy. You know, it's the story of the girl who left town suddenly, and the other girls were certain it was because she was pregnant and was kicked out of her house, things like that. I think Tori is more original than to base a song in the words of somebody else's characters. In all honesty, she has enough of her own to draw from, rather than to use somebody else's. Oh, and that brings me to "Beulah Land", which in my approximation, was the final song, the closure song, to the Southern Trio, as I refer to those three songs... that German "Talula" single is pretty important... anyhow, so Tori said that "Beulah Land" was from Boys for Pele, but she wasn't ready to record it yet, she didn't think the song was ready to *be* recorded yet, and I think that's because the ideas brought up in "Frog on my Toe", "Sister Named Desire", and "Alamo" had to stew around for a bit before she gave everybody the linking key, which is "Beulah Land"... but I won't get into all of that right now, since I'm tired and I've ranted enough. Just my 2,000 cents, John === ain't no way i lost this war and ain't no way you won _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:51:47 -0400 From: Victoria C Myers Subject: Re: Tori Videos > I will always say "Punky-Power"< Punky Brewster was my idol! (When I was little, that is.;)) I've always thought of Tori as sort of a Punky as an adult. I guess this is kind of off topic, but I just wanted to reply to a fellow Punky/Tori fan. :) ~~~Victoria~~ "Thanks a lot, big brain." - -Vonnegut ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:28:58 -0400 From: Victoria C Myers Subject: Re: exclusionary Tori fans > Are there any AOL users on the list who go into the Tori Amos chat, only to be repeatedly snubbed by the people in there?> I thought I was the only one! If you start talking Tori in a regular music chat, people are usually friendly, but venture into the Tori Amos room and be prepared for the cold shoulder. I don't understand how they can like Tori and her music (whatever they call themselves) and be so rude to other fans/Toriphiles/EWFs. I know, I'm whining. But it's disappointing to think you can chat about Tori and be made to feel unwelcome. :) ~~~Victoria~~ "Thanks a lot, big brain." - -Vonnegut ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 19:09:38 -0700 From: Ray Subject: Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! I must speak up in Beth's defense here... I honestly don't think she said anything all that offensive, and I really don't get anything out of her EwF explanation that seems to say that an EwF is "better than" a Toriphile. I think that in simpler words she said that an EwF is someone who is an extremely dedicated Tori fan (someone who probably considers Tori their very favorite, as everyone should), and a Toriphile as someone who simply appreciates Tori and her music. Am I right Beth? - -=Ray=- - "I wanna smash the faces, of those beautiful boys, those Christian boys, so you can make me cum that doesn't make you Jesus..." -Tori Amos "Every time I say something they find hard to hear, they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear..." -Ani DiFranco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:38:54 EDT From: Gud4AStorm@aol.com Subject: Re: AOL Tori chat: little rascals clubhouse ? ;o) In a message dated 6/7/99 6:25:46 PM Central Daylight Time, wkeupneo@hotmail.com writes: << but some of us want to talk Tori, and we dont appreciate being run out of there. So how about making another Tori room on AOL ? Any takers ? :o) Then they'll have to start beating up on, or ignoring, each other instead ;o) >> I'll take you up on this one. Would love a place to actually "talk Tori". :-) Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:05:38 PDT From: Lauren DePhillips Subject: sister janet sheet music Does anyone know where I can find the sheet music for sister janet on line?? If so you can email me personally. I will appreciate it more than you know. lauren15@hotmail.com http:// www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7657- evening stretched her cloak ********************** King Solomons Mine's Exit 75 I'm still alive I'm still alive *********************** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:48:04 -0400 From: "Susan Stewart" Subject: Re: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd i got mine, i really dont like it! does anyone else think me and a gun sounds live? I dunno...ooh and like thats realyl it...lol - -Susan "I believe in peace BITCH" - Tori Amos "Yeah, man. It's time to let de people get good herbs and smoke. Government's a joke. All dey wan' is ya smoke cigarettes and cigar. Some cigar wickeder den herb. Yeah, man, ya can't smoke cigar. Smoke herb. Some big cigar me see man wit', God bless! Me tell him must smoke herb." - Bob Marley http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palace/2017/TheNoTORIousTori.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Glass To: Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 1:58 AM Subject: Re: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd > > Just for everyone's info, I wanted to report that I received this CD in > the mail about 2 days ago. I had ordered it a few weeks before that, > possibly a month. I honestly can't remember when I ordered it exactly. > > I've listened to it once, and it's not bad. I enjoyed the Lauryn Hill > cut. Has anyone else received theirs yet? > > Cynthia Glass > http://www.angelfire.com/il/glassasylum > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:03:39 PDT From: Lauren DePhillips Subject: more on care and feeding Ok. Now that everyone is talking about the care of their tori posters I have a quick question. Does anyone have any suggestion about getting greasy fingerprint marks off of the front of posters? Thanks much. lauren15@hotmail.com http:// www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7657 evening stretched her cloak ********************** King Solomons Mine's Exit 75 I'm still alive I'm still alive *********************** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:46:49 -0400 From: "Susan Stewart" Subject: Re: Tori keychains hey I meant to email everyone about this. I have started a small little business of selling keychains and I have been selling tori keychains (people love em, i got references). What I think is the coolest is that 50% of my profits go to RAINN. It's like a hobbie for me, something to do, and for a cool cause. if anyone is intrested, email me about it! I got other keychains besides tori. - -Susan "I believe in peace BITCH" - Tori Amos "Yeah, man. It's time to let de people get good herbs and smoke. Government's a joke. All dey wan' is ya smoke cigarettes and cigar. Some cigar wickeder den herb. Yeah, man, ya can't smoke cigar. Smoke herb. Some big cigar me see man wit', God bless! Me tell him must smoke herb." - Bob Marley http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palace/2017/TheNoTORIousTori.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wake UpNeo To: ; Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 2:40 AM Subject: Tori keychains > > Tha Shaigirl asked: > > > > I was wondering if anyone knew of a place, either on the > internet or a store > near you, that carries Tori Amos keychains. > > > No, but here's one idea: at a photo store, discount store, craft store, > etc., you often see those plain plastic keychains that you can slide a small > photo inside of ? If you can't find any manufactured Tori keychains, you > could always buy one of those photo-holder-keychains and put a pic of Tori > in there. You could get a photo you or a friend took at a meet and greet, > or print out a .jpeg off the 'net. Or even put a magazine photo on > cardboard if ya had to, and put that in there. Just an idea =) > > > K. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #165 *************************************