From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #162 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, June 5 1999 Volume 04 : Number 162 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters [JupiterCMS@aol.com] shirts [OlivOnaStk@aol.com] Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters ["Mr Zebra" ] [none] ["Ms.Envy" ] Golden Gun [Gud4AStorm@aol.com] Tori - Led Zeppelin comparison [Amy M Belden ] Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters [kytiara uth matar ] Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! [Beth Coulter ] Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] Re: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Purple People Sheet Music [Amy M Belden ] Rare Tori find [tully526@impop.bellatlantic.net] Re: when rabbit howls--triggers [skh ] Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters [skh ] Re: watchword (contains graphic descriptions of FGM) [Serra Angel ] Re:cornflake girl [Tom xxxxx ] Sister Named Desire [Twinkle018@aol.com] Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! [Ryan Engel ] Re: peel out the watchword ["Mike Gray" ] Rabbit [Tom xxxxx ] Re: Are you a [carmen riojas ] Tori puns [Wake UpNeo ] Re: Tori - Paganini comparison [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] Re: Tori - Led Zeppelin comparison [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Re: shirts [Freedom110@aol.com] Re: Sister Named Desire [Freque79@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:57:03 EDT From: JupiterCMS@aol.com Subject: Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters In a message dated 6/3/99 9:36:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, XXXPandora@aol.com writes: << There are these little frame things that you can get (me parents bought a bunch of them at the drug store) that are kind of like those little plastic slider things that come with report covers. >> yeah i have 2 tori posters in those type of frames in my bedroom and they look kewl, and they protect the posters just great ! peace out ~ catherine :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:33:46 EDT From: OlivOnaStk@aol.com Subject: shirts I apparently have been deleting messages too quickly out of my box.......would anyone be so kind as to tell me who is making the shirts or just possibly forward the original post to me, it sounds like something i would like to get in on if it isnt too late. Zack from Indy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:59:56 -0500 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters > Get sticky bluetackky stuff....:) Actually, that stuff can leave nasty grease stains on the wall if it's on long enough. And the colored kind(ie blue, yellow, green) usually leaves a slight color mark too. I'd suggest framing. Matthew and when we come we always come too late. I often think that we were born to hate. get up and see the sarcasm in my eyes. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? http://surf.to/ssfumblas - SouthSide Cult of E Membership #138 FuCS/DA exfe96 a+++ Ifte lms/txus r++ ps+++ bs t-- C++ w++ p1 LF+/*** N++ cd80+ pr+ g- S* x Fa m+ b!/- fc- E rl!@+++ s! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 00:26:53 PDT From: "Ms.Envy" Subject: [none] eGroup Name: Upside Down eGroup Address: upside-down@eGroups.com This is a mailing list for mature Tori Amos fans...off the topic is allowed and mature issues regarding Tori are permitted. Fan Fiction is also allowed :) This list is going to talk about new album releases, websites, and interviews having to do with Tori plus MORE. We will also try and keep up with all the gossip concerning Tori Amos. To subscribe, send a message to: upside-down-subscribe@egroups.com or go to the e-group's home page at: http://www.egroups.com/list/upside-down _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:26:43 EDT From: Gud4AStorm@aol.com Subject: Golden Gun In a message dated 6/3/99 6:05:47 PM Central Daylight Time, wkeupneo@hotmail.com writes: << Susan said: everytime i hear "and the man with the golden gun thinks he knows so much thinks he knows so much" I think means like and the man with the "holy" dick thinks he knows so much. >> Well, there are several times Tori mentions gold/golden in her lyrics. Muhammad My Friend: I've never seen light/but I sure have seen gold--- Doughnut Song: and southern men can grow gold/can grow pertty--- Horses; and threads that are golden/don't break easily. Personally, I think she uses "gold" to symbolize the Christian church, or "the pretty hate machine", if you will. And all wrapped around *that* pineapple tree is the whole patriarchy thing. So when she says "the man with the golden gun thinks he knows so much", I think she may be talking about Christ/God and/or the men that believe in their superiority simply because they are male. Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy M Belden Subject: Tori - Led Zeppelin comparison Okay, have any of you guys heard the intro to the Led Zeppelin song "When the Levee Breaks" of the album Led Zeppelin IV? The song opens up with an interesting drum beat. Well, I was listening to it closely for the first time today, and it sounds an awful lot like the intro Matt plays for (I think) "Liquid Diamonds." I am not sure if that's the right song or not, but that's the only one popping into my head. Anyway, any thoughts on this? Is it purely coincidence? Amy, the choirgirl - -- Amy M Belden ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu BlackDove21@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: kytiara uth matar Subject: Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Nadyne Mielke wrote: > I have a question for y'all. I have several Tori posters and flats that > need some attention. I just bought a house, and I don't want to just > thumbtack my posters to the walls. What is a good and inexpensive way to > display my posters and not ruin my walls? Well... I actually own the Large-sized Tori "Junkie's baddy powder" poster. I found that the best way to hold up a poster of any size is this stuff called poster putty. They have it in any local Home Depot /Home Quarters / local large-ish hardware store. It will hold the poster to the wall firmly, but peels right off the wall without damaging the wall, paint or poster. It looks wonderful, too, as the poster hangs by itself, firmly and flat against the wall. > I've thought about framing some of 'em, but I'd have to find someone to do > it for me, Good Idea #739: Measure your poster, and then go to Wal-Mart. They have pre-made frames with a plastic cover to go over whatever you're framing. Get a frame with an inch or two space on either side of the poster. Then, flip the "pretty picture" they dutifully enclose over, so the white shiny side is showing. Put the poster down, and simply slide the plastic cover over it. Not only does it looks gorgeous, but the white border makes it look... almost artistic. =) That's my trick, because I can't even draw a stick figure, and darn it, a girl has to have *some* artistic talent. =) Handygirl, kytiara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 06:57:29 EDT From: glytter grrl Subject: Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters >There are these little frame things that you can get (me parents bought a >bunch of them at the drug store) that are kind of like those little plastic >slider things that come with report covers. Well they were pretty >inexpensive, come in a few different sizes including standard poster size >and >look like nice frames>> YEP YEP! I have all of my tori posters framed by these...they look wonderful. i bfp poster(her on porch with piggy and shotgun and snakes) is in a "navy blue" frame and the ddi tour shirt poster (side of her face and hair) is framed in "gold". so they do come in different colors. they look nice, i think the most i spent on mine was $6.00 and it was the blue one cause i didn't buy it at like k-marts or whatever. so these are a great alternative to sticky tack, pin tacks or bubblegum. ~~becka ICQ#14314488 AOL IM - SwyngBaybe ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/1174 ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ Green Limosine for the redhead dancing, dancing girl ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 05:47:01 GMT From: Tha Shaigirl Subject: RE: Caring and Feeding of Tori Posters My suggestion on the poster care deal ---> Hello! Okay, now you may find this a bit weird of just plain stupid, but it's always worked for me! See, I'm a collector of posters, too. Not just Tori. My father used to own a video store and we got 100s of posters every month. I only had 5 frames (you know the cheap 9.99 plastic ones you can get at Walmart?), but I had several more favorite posters. I've used several things in the past... tape - just ripped the hell outta 'em when you go to take 'em down... push-pins, tacks, nails... doesn't do wonders for your walls and sometimes hurts the posters when ya take 'em down. But I've found something that truly works for me. I've been using it ever since and I move my posters around freqently... none of 'em have ripped yet and the walls aren't ruined. Okay, go buy some "satin" scotch tape. You know the type that's suppose to be invisible and best for wrapping presents? I think it's little tag is purple... but umm anyways... tear off a small piece (I've found using the precut sections... cause ya know how there's like a small dotted line every 2 inches or so?) and apply it to each of the four corners... cross the sides so the corner is completely covered with the tape. Rub it down or press it really smooth so the satin affect (a la invisble) kicks in. The get a really good stapler... one that opens... the staple the poster (make sure you put the staple in the taped corner) to your wall or ceiling... starting at the top left... smoothing it out to the top right... then smoothing it down both ways down... that helps to get it nice and bulge free and keeps it from getting air under it. The when you go to take 'em down... use a really good stapler remover! It's as simple as that, the wholes in your wall are tiny, and your poster is saved, yet featured on your wall without paying tons of money to getting everyone of 'em framed! I dunno... I hope this helps, but since I get the digist version of the list I'm sure you've already got tons of replies!!! Let me know if you come up with anything better... although my method seems to work wonders for me! Tah-tah! ~Shaigirl _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:56:05 EDT From: Mermann658@aol.com Subject: Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters In a message dated 6/3/99 5:05:25 PM CST, nadyne@rmta.org writes: > I have a question for y'all. I have several Tori posters and flats that > need some attention. I just bought a house, and I don't want to just > thumbtack my posters to the walls. What is a good and inexpensive way to > display my posters and not ruin my walls? I had a partnership in a frame shop, and probably have more info. than you need, but here goes. It depends on how much care and money you want to put into the flats/posters. Let's start from the bottom up. There are inexpensive poster frames made of acrylic, (front, and edges that slip off, for easy installation) that come in standard sizes, and are usually available at most Target/Wallmart type stores. You still have to put a nail in the wall to hang 'em, but it's better than thumbtacks :-) This is the way I would go, if you're looking to cut cost. If the poster is a non-standard size, you can always buy something close, or larger and use some colored/white paper to make up the difference...(the leftover space between the edge of the poster and the frame, otherwise, you'll see the lovely cardboard backing showing through.) You could also have them "drymounted", which is basically gluing the poster to a thick "foam core" board. Most frame shops have hangers that attach to this, so you can hang them without a frame. Not recommended for retaining any intrinsic value of the poster. Is fairly reasonable pricewise......but shop around. I'm kind of a fanatic about preserving valuable artwork/collectibles, so I'll give you a few tips if you're interested in going the extra mile. Bad, evil things that will turn your posters yellow, or fade them: Cardboard and similar materials: Has a lot of natural acid in it, and will "burn" whatever is next to it, over time. In the case of the poster frames, I would go to an art store, and purchase some "acid free" paper to put between the poster and the cardboard. Direct sunlight: Over time, will definitely fade 'em....of course... :-) Heat: Even if the poster is stored in acid free material, if ya store it in a hot attic, it'll fade and become brittle. Okay. That's the short version.....hehe. There is also "conservation" or "archival" framing, for those who want to really keep any collectible in perfect condition. This involves acid free materials and adhesives, matting to keep the item away from the glass, etc. This is definitely more expensive and should be done by someone who knows what they're doing. You may be able to get away with doing the "archival" mounting, and then put it in a cheaper frame, but any good frame shop should be happy to give you all the options and price it out for you. Prolly more than you wanted to know, but hope it helped! RJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy M Belden Subject: Tori - Paganini comparison Okay, so I'm going with these comparisons tonight. Anyway, has anyone ever thought that that Tori might be a modern day version of Paganini? For those of you who are saying "Paganini who???" I am refering to the "virtuoso" violinist/composer of classical music during the 19th century. Okay let me point a few things out: 1)Paganini's mother was deeply religious. =>Tori's father is deeply religious. 2)Paganini was, as I mentioned, considered a virtuoso. Many music historians would claim him a prodigy... =>Tori is considered a virtuoso. She is a piano prodigy. 3)...this claim is based on the fact that after 3 years of playing violin before the age of 10, he began performing for the public. At age 13, he was sent to study with the famous Alessandro Rolla. He was dismissed as soon as Rolla realized that Paganini already knew everything that Rolla could have taught him. =>Tori was sent to the prestigious Peabody institute at the age of 5, and was kicked out at age 13. She went to perform for the public. 4)He later toured to perform for audiences, some of which included other famous composers of the time (ie Clara Schumman, List, Delacroix, etc). Many of these other musicians/composers acknowledged and were influenced by Paganini's unique style. He was seen as one of the most innovative artists in music history for his experimenting with different sounds (primarily through physically changing the structure of his instrument and playing it in new ways). =>Tori has influenced many other singers/musicians (Jewel, Alanis, etc) due to her unique, gutsy style. She is seen as one of the most innovative artists of our time due to her experimentation with different sounds (ie. the physical manipulation of the piano on "Bells for Her," etc). 5)People had mixed feelings about Paganini. His physical appearance (tall, skinny, long black hair) was unusual for the likes of a composer of the time. His revolutionary music was too intense for some; people didn't want to hear this new music, saying it was created with help from the devil. =>People have mixed feelings about Tori. Her appearance (short, petit, firey red hair) is unique as far as modern day celebrities go. Her music is too intense and deep for some; people don't want to take the time to analyze it or listen for the true meaning. 6)Finally, I found a caricature of Paganini standing in a fairy ring of sorts, consisting of bottles, bones, crosses, wreaths, and other such trinkets. =>One of the primary images from the Under the Pink era is Tori amidst a fairy ring, consisting of glass bottles (sort of), bones, feathers, eggs, etc. So, I know a lot of this is undoubtedly coincidental, but it is definitely BIZARRE! Any thoughts on this? Sorry it was SOOO long, and thanks for those of you with the patience/time to read through the whole thing. Amy, the choirgirl - -- Amy M Belden ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu BlackDove21@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:13:06 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! >Tha Shaigirl wrote: > >> I've always wondered... what exact IS the definations for "Toriphile" and >> "Ear With Feet"? Cause I'm interested in getting one of those cut little >> shirts that Violet is offering, but I'd like to know what each of 'em >> means... if anything... so I can get the right one for me! :) > The EwF label came directly from Tori. She was talking about the fans who always support her, who she knows she can count on to understand her and accept whatever she does. She didn't want to use the word "Fan", so she called those special people "ears with feet". A Toriphile can also be an Ears with Feet, but not all are. A Toriphile is someone who is really into Tori, like an audiophile is into really hearing music. So most everyone on the lists and those obsessed in RL(tm) are Toriphiles. Some of those are also Ears with Feet. What keeps a Toriphile from being an EwF? If you have any critisism of Tori, her music or her actions, then you definately *don't* fit the definition of EwF. If you constantly skip over certain songs on her albums, then you are simply a Toriphile. An EwF is completely accepting and willing to listen and attempt to understand everything Tori does. This does not mean one is better than the other. Just different levels of "fandom". ;) Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~really deep thoughts and stories~ updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:51:32 EDT From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! In a message dated 6/3/99 10:36:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, megasus@geocities.com writes: << blah. I know there are probably better 'phile' examples out there, but I couldn't think of one. >> x-phile;) Major fan of the show;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:43:51 -0400 (EDT) From: shoes Subject: Re: EWF/Toriphile shirts i'm REALLY sorry, but i must have missed it.. could someone post how to get/view these EWF/Toriphile t-shirts again.. the web URL or whatever.. thanks! :) circles and circles again, chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:19:24 EDT From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters In a message dated 6/4/99 1:02:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desilu@wt.net writes: << Actually, that stuff can leave nasty grease stains on the wall if it's on long enough. And the colored kind(ie blue, yellow, green) usually leaves a slight color mark too. >> I noticed.....I got polka dotted walls!!!! Anyone know how to get it off? Jewlya ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:56:47 EDT From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd Hi! A few people have asked me how to get one of these CDs. If you go to www.fightforyourrights.mtv.com you can register to get a CD. I don't know if there are any left, though. I ordered mine over a month ago. Hope this helps! Amy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy M Belden Subject: Purple People Sheet Music Does anyone happen to know a site with the piano music to Purple People? I really want to learn that song, but I haven't had time to try and decipher it myself. Any help/leads would be great! Thanks, Amy, the choirgirl - -- Amy M Belden ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu BlackDove21@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 15:58:57 -0500 From: tully526@impop.bellatlantic.net Subject: Rare Tori find Hi. How rare is the Robert Tepper out-of-print "Modern Madness" cd? It features Tori on back-up vocals. Do you think it would sell for a lot? The Sandra Bernhard cd Tori did backup on is selling for $50-70. I had never realized that it was Tori on the cd. I never saw it mentioned in any book or website. How's that for rarest Tori find? Thanks. ~~alison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 10:34:54 -0700 From: skh Subject: Re: when rabbit howls--triggers VuduGurrrl@aol.com wrote: > "Rabbit... where'd you put the keys girl?" > Anyone ever read the book When Rabbit Howls by The Troops for Truddi Chase? > This line has alwayw reminded me of that book. great, yet disturbing book. if you have any trigger propensities about sexual abuse, i highly suggest you take them into consideration when pondering reading this book... it is a great read, a great story of survival, but it's also a tough read in places. and yes, i have wondered about that too :) tori has never made reference to it though... it is a great connection to make, i think... another literary circle.. be well ~~kelley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 10:54:47 -0700 From: skh Subject: Re: Care and feeding of Tori posters JewlyaINAP@aol.com wrote: > < display my posters and not ruin my walls? > > Get sticky bluetackky stuff....:) nein! ruins the walls... leave an oily residue. (btw congrats on the house--i just bought one too a month ago!!) i would suggest dry mounting then. depending on the size of them, it runs fairly affordable. a lot of craft shops that do regular framing and mounting will do them for you... i think you can do it yourself, but i would not attempt to... i am really glad you asked this, because i am trying to figure out how to do the same thing now... my only solution so far is dry mounting them... dream well ~~kelley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 10:46:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: watchword (contains graphic descriptions of FGM) I think you are right about the betrayal, but I always thought this was in the more general sense. Peel out a watchword because one of the raisin girls who has "gone to the other side" may turn on you at any moment. This comes right after "and I go at (its) sleepytime".. which implies vulnerability; you would need someone to "peel out the watchword" to make sure you are not hurt in a vulnerable state. Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:58:53 EDT From: KAPS72@aol.com Subject: Tori videos I recently purchased my Tori video collection and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. I'm fairly new to this and this may have already been discussed, but I was wondering if any of you out there know what the significance of Tori wearing only one shoe is. I noticed it in the "Caught A Lite Sneeze" video, in the beginning where she's lying on the ground in the leaves. It's also in the picture of her kneeling on the matress in the picture she uses on the cover for that single (also in the BFP CD booklet) and in the "Spark" video she starts out wearing one boot which she eventually loses. I haven't noticed any other places, but does anyone know anything? Just wonderin'....... - -Kim "...I got me some horses to ride on...." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:12:32 -0500 From: Ryan Engel Subject: Re: spin - lost it? Something else to keep in mind regarding Spin and Tori/Alanis not being mentioned is that (at least for some) magazines, they are put together an easy month - two months before they hit the stands. Some will pull articles and rearrange small portions of already layed out pages, but if Spin didn't find out about the tour until after they'd started printing their summer music article, there's not much they could do about it, except to mention it next month. Perhaps Rolling Stone has a better inside informant at Atlantic than Spin does. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:43:37 GMT From: Tom xxxxx Subject: Re:cornflake girl >My take on the whole cornflake girl vs. the raisin girl always was: >In a >box of cornflakes, there are about 100 cornflakes for every raisin >you >find. So to me, a Cornflake Girl is a boring, bland, everyday kind >of >chick, while Raisin Girls are more unique, independent, and rare. Yes!! Exactly! In fact, before CG was released, my friends and I had a theory we called the Corn Flake/Raisin theory. There were Cornflake people---bland, conformist, ordinary---and Raisin People---stange, different, interesting (not necessarily good, but interesting). We were thrilled when we heard Cornflake Girl, because it seemed to use our theory. It was like Tori tapped into our minds and drew out the image. Of course, we've revised the theory to include a few other varieations. The Chili Powder people dont' go with anything and just cause strife, for example. OK, me and my friends are wierd. Tom "We own nothing, nothing is ours Not even love so fierce it burns like baby stars But this poverty is our greatest gift The weightlessness of us as things around begin to shift." Emily Saliers, "Everything in Its Own Time" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:29:36 EDT From: Twinkle018@aol.com Subject: Sister Named Desire I'm sorry that this is an old topic. But, I was on vacation for a couple of weeks and am just now catching up w/ the digests. And I was reading about all of the Tori/Neil connections. I was thinking about all of the sisters... and how their names started w/ "d's" and how one of their names was "Desire". And I was wondering if the "Talula" b-side "Sister Named Desire" was somehow connected. I need to find where I put the lyrics to that song or just take some time and listen to it. I haven't read any of Neil's work, though. So, it might be hard for me to make any connections. Anyway, let me know if anyone is clued in on this. Oh yeah! I almost forgot to ask. Does anyone remember "Pet"? I had bought their cd when I heard that Eric and Tori produced the album. I fell in love w/ it. I was just wondering if anyone knew if they are still a band... if they performed anywhere... etc. Thanks guys... Desiree "Need a lipgloss boost in your America." Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:29:29 -0500 From: Ryan Engel Subject: Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! Instead of pedophile, think "audiophile" - one who is obsessed with music. (These are the people who go out and blow more money than I make in a year on super expensive hifi stereo equipment that easily costs more than I make in an entire year...the sound quality could make you cry and I WANT SOME!!!). Have a nice day Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 02:32:08 GMT From: Wake UpNeo Subject: Toriphile/Ears with Feet In answer to someone who asked about the meaning of Toriphile and Ears with Feet, then worried they might seem stupid: There is no such thing as a stupid question, only hasty answers ;o) Anyway; Ears with Feet is Tori's own name for us ! Once, someone asked her about her 'fans' and she said "I don't think of them as 'fans', I think of them as more like ears with feet". In other words, people who listen to her and love the music. She explained later that the word 'fans' was to her, kind of demeaning, cos some refer to fans in a pejorative manner (my words; cos i can't remember that exact quote). This story is on the Dent somewhere i think; (the two little girls and their dad interviewed Tori) anyone have the URL for the page it's on ? It was toward the end of DDI i think ? Toriphiles is what we were all called (mostly by the press, altho by each other too) before she called us EWF. To me "Toriphile" means someone who's into the whole Tori trivia-fact thing, every cd she ever made, etc.etc. Like a super-devotee. 'Phile' means digging something to the point of being like an expert on it (as in, the diff between those who watch X Files and an X Philer). That's my take anyway. (On the Toriphile answer, it was purely subjective) Hope it helped. K. PS) Ya could always go the Almond Joy AND Mounds direction, and order both t shirts ;o) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:25:35 +0100 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Re: peel out the watchword I've been watching this thread with interest, so here's what Tori had to say in Q100 (UK) "The book that changed my life" - Tori Amos. "Possessing The Secret Of Joy" - Alice Walker Tori : "It describes the mutilation of women that occurred in her tribe over hundreds of years. And of course we know that this mutilation doesn't only happen in Africa, this savagery goes on in other parts of the world - the Middle East for instance, and it's also happening in America. Alice Walker thought that it was important that people understood that it is mothers who take their daughters to these butchers, and these butchers are usually women. And the betrayal these women must feel, you grow up thinking your mother will protect you. But the matriarch is just as controling as the patriarch. For a long time, especially after my experience of sexual violence, I found a safeness in the sisterhood. Maybe I put them on a pedastel for security and when I read this book, in a sense, it broke my faith, the thing that I had held on to all those years, that women would never be violent to other women. And that's where Cornflake Girl came from." Cheers Mike Mike Gray mike.gray@zetnet.co.uk / ICQ 6200976 /http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mikegray/ Also mgg2@le.ac.uk (autoforwarded to above address) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:29:18 GMT From: Tom xxxxx Subject: Rabbit Steph wrote: >Since we're on the subject of Cornflake Girl... >"Rabbit... where'd you put the keys girl?" >Anyone ever read the book When Rabbit Howls by The Troops for Truddi > >Chase? >This line has alwayw reminded me of that book. >...(although >I am quite sure Tori has no idea about the connection herself).<3 >Steph >:o) Wow! I've alwasy connected the two as well. If I recall correctly (and it's been like 8 years since I read When Rabbit Howls), Rabbit was the youngest personality and was the one that took the brunt of the pain of Truddi's abuse. She could only communicate by screaming. Working through Rabbit's pain was key to Truddi becoming functional (although she and the Troops chose not to integrate). I always thought that by saying "Rabbit, where d'ya put the keys, girl", Tori was saying something along the lines of "what in me do I have to find to work through this pain, to make sense of these events?" Of course, that assumes that Tori read WRH and used the reference purposely, which I don't know. Any thoughts on the meaning and possibly relationship? Steph, thanks for bringing that up. I've wanted to delve into that subject for a while and never got motivated enough. Tom "We own nothing, nothing is ours Not even love so fierce it burns like baby stars But this poverty is our greatest gift The weightlessness of us as things around begin to shift." Emily Saliers, "Everything in Its Own Time" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 23:53:17 PDT From: carmen riojas Subject: Re: Are you a i wonder exactly what the difference is? >Subject: Are you a "Toriphile" or an "EWF"? >Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:31:46 -0700 > > >Hi Guys, > >As some of you may know, I do projects to help support my ToriThoughts.Org >domain and the various Toriphile-oriented work -- including the RDTRN, >ToriTour, and Story Time mailing lists -- that I run through it. I am on a >painfully low income and owning a domain and running mailing lists is >expensive. Rather than asking for donations outright, which makes me >uncomfortable, I prefer to offer something unique to folks in exchange for >their sponsorship. > >I want to let you all know about the new t-shirt project that's up and >running. For $20 you can tell the world whether you're a "Toriphile" or >an "Ears With Feet" and look fab while doing it. :) > >Visit http://www.torithoughts.org for more details. I'm really excited >about this. I think you will be, too. :) (You can also read some >comments about my previous shirt.) > >Because the goal is to get the shirts to everyone who wants one in time for >the first date on the upcoming tour, the deadline for orders is July 1st. > >Violet >xoxox > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * > * Can be outwitted by a jar of Marshmallow Fluff. * > * * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 02:19:16 GMT From: Wake UpNeo Subject: Tori puns Erin wrote: i think saying 'peel' is just another tori pun. she does those a lot...peeled havanas, IN A SENSE (innocence), and i can't remember what else now...my brain is oozing out all over the place; sorry! hugs, erin I agree. I think peel/peal is another of her double-meaning word usages. I hadn't concretely thought about the dual meaning of peel and peal tho until someone else mentioned it (sorry, i forget who; i just didn't wanna take credit !); i'd just enjoyed it on a sonic, subconscious level :o) But i think this is one of those times. Peal is like a bell, and peel means like to peel something back, or, to peel out, as in move quickly. So again i just picture one woman whispering a word (watchword/password) to another, or to others, (who then pass the word on; 'time to make like a banana and split' ;o) ) so they can get away. Some kind of wishful thinking in the least, i think, after reading a book like Possessing the Secret of Joy and realizing "you bet your life it is (happening here) (in this world)". If it were me (after reading about FGM) i'd wanna imagine that somewhere, someone was escaping this. And helping others escape it, also (which in a way, Alice Walker and Tori are trying to do, if you take this *all* on a symbolic level; i.e. in other, such as American, culture(s) women are stripped of their full sexual expression in other, less physical ways). (And by singing/writing about it, they're trying to 'peel out the watchword' to *us* !) Oh and i really enjoyed Erin's take on that line interp. :o) Just wanted to say. And i thought of one Tori pun to add: "alive below the waste (waist)" (Pandora's Aquarium). Two cents wortha pun, K. "I could be wrong i could be right I could be black i could be white May the road rise with you" --PiL _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:18:13 EDT From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori - Paganini comparison In a message dated 6/5/99 1:09:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu writes: << Any thoughts on this? >> quite similar...I must say;) Jewlya ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:42:24 EDT From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori - Led Zeppelin comparison I noticed that a few months ago. I think that there are a few songs on Choirgirl like that. "Liquid Diamonds" is one. The other one that sticks out in my head is "She's Your Cocaine". The intro to that reminds me of The Beatles "Sgt. Pepper" or "I Am The Walrus", depending on my mood. Since Tori has said several times that these are two of her biggest influences, I don't think this is a coincidence. That's my two cents..... Amy (not the Choirgirl) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 14:45:48 EDT From: Freedom110@aol.com Subject: Re: shirts In a message dated 99-06-05 13:11:29 EDT, OlivOnaStk@aol.com writes: > I apparently have been deleting messages too quickly out of my > box.......would anyone be so kind as to tell me who is making the shirts or > just possibly forward the original post to me, it sounds like something i > would like to get in on if it isnt too late. > > Zack from Indy I would actually like this information again also. Would love to own one of those shirts. - -Gus ...Do it again ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:33:19 EDT From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: Sister Named Desire Twinkle018@aol.com writes: > I'm sorry that this is an old topic. But, I was on vacation for a couple of > weeks and am just now catching up w/ the digests. And I was reading about > all of the Tori/Neil connections. I was thinking about all of the sisters... > and how their names started w/ "d's" and how one of their names was "Desire". I know this will sound very nitpicky, but they aren't all sisters... :] They are all siblings, but some of them (Dream, Destruction...) are male.. And as far as Desire goes, s/he is neither or both. Not really clear as far as that one goes. Androgynous. > And I was wondering if the "Talula" b-side "Sister Named Desire" was > somehow > connected. I need to find where I put the lyrics to that song or just take > some time and listen to it. I haven't read any of Neil's work, though. So, > it might be hard for me to make any connections. Anyway, let me know if > anyone is clued in on this. Well, here's the lyrics: Got a sister named Desire They dont let you like those little boys by their house On the back yard swing I know of it cause I thought we told some little sweet stories In the parking lot They say that girl lost her sway The say that girl lost her sway that day Mm mm mm mm mm, mm mm God I'd like to drag him for a long way 'cause maybe I Then I'd just cry a little tear near him To that sleepy safe place And I'm gonna take him by myself if I've got to go Don't let you know, let you know where she goes to with those, me as I interfere That girl lost her sway They say that girl lost her sway that day Mm, mm, mm, mm Teach me about them old worlds big brother and in an elevator where somebody can get out With the sound They say that girl lost her sway Just watch it Just watch it slip through my hands, Boy Watch it go Oh, what you know, ooh I guess I see Just see 'Cause she still can sway Na na na na na na Na na na ___________ That's the lyrics according to ToriHelp (tm). I don't know if they are correct, but they are the easiest for me to access right now. Reading the lyrics, it doesn't really make me think of Desire, but there are 2 Sandman books that I have not yet read, so there could be references to those that I don't see... Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #162 *************************************