From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #154 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, May 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Case of You ["Lori A Near" ] Re: Tori / Alanis Tour on-line pre-sale [Jason Bilsky ] survey - my $0.02 [" Casey Sherrell" ] Re: Little Amsterdam Lyrics [Amy M Belden ] Re: Tori / Alanis Tour on-line pre-sale ["Megasusİ" ] Re: Case of You [Daisy Dead Petals ] Fruit From Venus: Tori Amos Music [VenusFruit@aol.com] Hi, all . . . [becky ] Re: Tori / Alanis Tour on-line pre-sale [Keith Shapiro ] NEVERWHERE ["Terry Ferrell" ] A Case of You ["Wake UpNeo" ] standing in line/camping out (if u're tired of my griping, SCROLL) ["Wake] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:47:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori A Near" Subject: Re: Case of You Hi folks, hi nad! I wanted to add that the Case of You cover can be found on the promo cd Spew U from 1995. I was able to purchase this promo from a vendor for I believe $8, and it includes some other neat tracks by Jill Sobule and Jewel. I dont know how rare this is, but I didn't seem to have much problem finding it. ~~loria ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lori Ann Near nearlori@pilot.msu.edu ...thoughts... a web site inspired by and cataloguing Tori Amos http://www.msu.edu/~nearlori/toriamos.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:43:37 -0400 From: Jason Bilsky Subject: Re: Tori / Alanis Tour on-line pre-sale Mr Zebra wrote: > The Alanis/Tori Online Presale wasn't the guinea pig, Lilith Fair was. On > May 10th, a similar presale was held on Ticketmaster.com with the difference > being you had to preorder the 2 new Lilith Fair CDs at the same time, then > you could order a max of 4 tickets. With the exception of about a 30-minute > bandwidth lag, everything went smoothly. Not to mention I got 4th row > tickets for Austin!!!!!!!! ok, now I retract my opinion. having to sign up for spam in order to buy tickets isn't evil, being made to BUY CDS IN ORDER TO BUY TICKETS IS. F- ticketmaster. I think I'm gonna buy my tickets only from scalpers now, just on principle.... (wait, they get their tickets from TM too. guess it's a trip to the box office for me...) - -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox "Robert, e-mail is for geeks and pedophiles." -Sebastian, Cruel Intentions ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:48:39 EDT From: DliriumEnd@aol.com Subject: Tori / Alanis tour on VH1 Did anyone see VH1 around 7 pm or so? They had this thing about upcoming tours this year and they talked about the Tori and Alanis tour! There were a few small clips of Tori but more Alanis.. =( o well.. Just wanted to tell you guys! =) Elisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:51:43 -0500 From: " Casey Sherrell" Subject: my vote.. oops! ok, on my vote.. subtract Black Dove and replace it with Hotel. Also.. Bee Sides 1. Cooling 2. Piano Suites 3. Siren 4. Alamo - --- Key-Sea "We'd give you a part my love, but you'd have to play the fool." -- Kate Bush my web world http://jump.to/casey get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:42:13 -0500 From: " Casey Sherrell" Subject: survey - my $0.02 LE 1. Precious Things 2. Little Earthquakes 3. Tear In Your Hand 4. Mother UTP 1. Cornflake Girl 2. Pretty Good Year 3. Cloud On My Tongue 4. Yes, Anastasia BFP 1. Doughnut Song 2. Caught A Lite Sneeze 3. Marianne 4. Blood Roses FTCGH 1. Liquid Diamonds 2. Spark 3. Black Dove 4. Iieee Cover: Thank You - --- Key-Sea "We'd give you a part my love, but you'd have to play the fool." -- Kate Bush my web world http://jump.to/casey get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:12:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy M Belden Subject: Re: Little Amsterdam Lyrics Okay, here's my take on it: "...all alone/along got a girl in the city, hey got a room and a place for two got a goat and a phone/barn I said boy you are my fifth avenue round and a round and a round I go..." you know the rest I'm pretty sure most of this is right. I am just not sure about the "alone/along" and the "phone/barn" bits. Hope that helps. Good luck at open mic night! Amy, the choirgirl - -- Amy M Belden ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu BlackDove21@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:28:05 -0700 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: Re: Tori / Alanis Tour on-line pre-sale Beth Coulter wrote: > Bigger/better > never enters into the equation and if it does, it should be nipped in the > bud. No one is better than anyone else. period. I couldn't have said it better myself. I really can't stand all the 'true fan' talk... about how some fans aren't as 'loyal' as others. Bull! Why would anybody say that? "But, you've only been into Tori for 2 years! I've liked her way back since YKTR first hit the shelves!" So? That doesn't make you a 'better' fan.. it just means you've been a fan longer. So what if you have your very only copy of Baltimore, still in the package. So what if YKTR is sitting on your shelf in a frame, never been touched by anybody other than you. I've gotten ALL my Tori stuff in the past year and a half.. does that mean I'm less of a fan? I can't afford to buy an original copy of YKTR.. does that mean I'm less of a fan? Less rich, maybe, but not less of a person. Thank you, Beth for saying what you said. I think alot of people need to re-think how they view other EWF. I dare somebody to say I'm not.. look at my walls and my CD wallet, and tell me I'm not. ;) Like a good friend once said to me.. "Everybody finds Tori when it is their time" and I think that's true. So don't treat anybody like less of a fan.. just treat them as somebody who was deprived for not knowing about the piano goddess sooner. ^_~ Just my 2 cents... (No ticketbastard handling fee here.. I'm nicer than the they are ;) - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:33:48 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Tori / Alanis Tour on-line pre-sale At 09:07 PM 5/25/99 -0500, you wrote: >* While you get to meet some damned cool people, you also get to meet some >big ole morons. It's the morons who spoils it, and they are the reason >that so many places don't allow camping out or discourage it by instituting >a lottery. I honestly can't blame venues/ticket agencies for not allowing >camping out, given some of the downright horrible behavior I've experienced >when doing so. > Far out and right on. ;) I'm holding zero tixs also but hoping I can go to camden with a generous person. At any rate, regardless of what anyone else thinks, I'm with you as far as the behavior goes. I saw a little of it when buying the one ticket I did for last November. I saw a lot of it in Baltimore for the meet and greet in Oct '98. Although the majority of people there were *fans* and ok, I saw a bit of jerkiness with the "Mores" and the profit-mongers (the ones in it for the money they can get by selling pix and autographs). After seeing the piece on "Dateline" about the ticket brokers buying out concerts, I can understand why the crowds waiting to buy tix can becoming unruly and downright rude. Personally, I really like this way (over the internet) of getting the beginning sales of tix out to the fans. No one had to sleep in the rough or fight their way to the window. By logging on, everyone who cared had a fair chance to get great seats. I can't see the complaints honestly. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~really deep thoughts and stories~ updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:44:09 -0400 From: "Khosrow Matini M.D., P.C." Subject: Selling Prime Tori Tickets... Important: My name is Lily. I am 17 years old and I reside in Alexandria, VA. When the Tori tickets went on sale for her August 25th show in Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion, I was one of the first Toriphiles online. I am selling 2 tickets left over from the ones I bought from that internet site. These are prime orchestra seats, right outside the orchestra pit, Left Orchestra 11 and 13. I am selling each ticket for its normal price: $57.50. If you would like to buy this or these tickets from me, I need to meet with you, in a public place, with lots of people around, near or around Alexandria, VA. Please email me if you are interested. You must pay with cash only. Thanx. Contact me soon. Sincerely, Lily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:56:30 -0700 From: violet@torithoughts.org Subject: it's started Well, I registered at MP3.com last week, like we're supposed to, and of course I started getting SPAM right away. More came today. I know you other folks who signed up must be getting it, too. The messages say I can be "removed" if I reply with "uns*ubscribe," sure, but then I don't get to access any of the Tori&Alanis stuff, right? As Jason Bilsky wrote on Sunday: >Regardless of what is days on the web site, we all KNOW that our e-mail >addresses will go to atlantic/Ticketmaster/whoevers >spamming list, right? Yep-a-rooni. In reply to Jason's post, woj wrote: >finally, and this is more of a nit-picking technical point, "spam" is >unsolicited commercial e-mail. if the terms of their registration process >require you to give your e-mail address and they inform you that it could >be used to send you e-mail (which they did), then if you register, >>anything they send you is no longer unsolicited. Well, when they literally *force* you to sign up (pardon me ... "Register") and they start sending you ads for non-tour- and non-ticket-related stuff, then that is SPAM so far as I'm concerned. They did not say "Signing up will put you on our general mailing list." I believed I was registering in order to get tickets and that any future e-mail I received would specifically relate to the tickets or the tour or Tori & Alanis. Yet I'm getting solicitations to order MP3.com CDs. Not only that, but because I run several lists for Toriphiles, I signed *those* addresses up at MP3.com weeks ago because the site said that signing up would get you announcements about the 5-1/2 Weeks tour, including advance notice of tickets and online chats ... something to that effect. I wouldn't have done that if I'd known the addresses were going on a general solicitation list. Very frustrating. Violet xoxox ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:45:48 -0400 From: "~Wendi~" Subject: death hi all, can anyone point me to a site that has the intro tori wrote to neil gaimen's "death: the high cost of living" (scans or just text)? thanks, wendi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Daisy Dead Petals Subject: Re: Case of You the "case of you" cover can be found on the import cornflake girl single, this one also has "strange fruit," and "if 6 was 9" (which ROCKS! erin lynch === look i'm standing naked before you don't you want more than my sex i can scream as loud as your last one but i can't claim innocence ta _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:32:12 EDT From: VenusFruit@aol.com Subject: Fruit From Venus: Tori Amos Music Hi, I don't know if any of you know of my Tori Amos music page, or if you go there frequently, but I have changed it completely. In doing so, I also added lots more songs. the url is: http://members.xoom.com/venusfruit/ There, you can hear all the songs from YKTR; studio bsides, covers, others; live bsides, covers, others. Also, songs from LE live, UTP live, BFP life, and FTCGH live. I'll be adding extremely rare songs soon. The format is not mp3 because I kept getting my pages deleted lol... so they're RAM files that you can play using the RealPlayer... What's good about ram files is that I can have high quality songs that are not too large in memory. - -Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:14:27 -0400 From: becky Subject: Hi, all . . . How's it goin'? Just some random thoughts . . . Does anyone have the final two shows recorded and would like to tape some copies for me? Let me know. I'll be moving to Morgantown, WV to attend grad school and was wondering what fellow list members lived around those there parts. I'm going to go to the Pittsburgh show. A little nervous about driving to unfamiliar places. Pea-green . . . have you seen the picture that alanisandtori. com gave for the little banner thing on the dent. Grrrr that Alanis would actually look better than Tori. Sorry. Being a girl sometimes produces some cattiness. Anyway, ticketmaster sucks. Let's talk about some songs and music now. becky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Shapiro Subject: Re: Tori / Alanis Tour on-line pre-sale > I disagree with this for a few reasons: > > * Standing in line simply doesn't get you good seats. We all know how many That's simply not true. By standing in line I've gotten anywhere from front row to 10th row. I guess the trick is knowing where to stand. > stuck with not-great seats? For that matter, why stand in line when you > can (almost always) go to the venue the day of the show and get bloody > incredible tickets? I do agree with this. Without fail, tickets I've gotten the day of the concert have been incredible. However, if there's a GA floor, it *will* be sold out. > * Since when did "real fan" mean that you had to give up the rest of your > life? My comment was that those people who were willing to give up the rest of their life to stand in line should be able to get the best tickets. If it's *that* important to a person, than by all means let them sit up front. Honestly, though, someone who gives up their ENTIRE life to follow Tori around has some serious issues. (Perhaps that does include me. I'm not qualified to say.) And, /nad, as you well know I have no doubts whatsoever about your fandom. I recall reading postings from you on RMTA back when I was still a youngling who had just gotten into Tori. > * While you get to meet some damned cool people, you also get to meet some > big ole morons. It's the morons who spoils it, and they are the reason > that so many places don't allow camping out or discourage it by instituting > a lottery. I honestly can't blame venues/ticket agencies for not allowing > camping out, given some of the downright horrible behavior I've experienced > when doing so. I guess it all depends on your tolerance for stupidity. While I was camped out for Star Wars tickets (Yes, I did it. I am a geek.), there was this kid (oh, about 22 years old) who consumed about 6 of the free pizzas the local radio station brought out, and then a little later redepositied those pizzas on the ground of the parking lot. In addition, his little friends and he did not stop talking for 24 hours straight. As a cute little joke at 4am when we asked them what part of "Shut the fuck up" they didn't understand, they answered, "The shut up part" *inane stupid person giggle*. So yeah, there are a lot of stupid people out there, but they're everwhere. They're most certainly don't have a monopoly on waiting in lines or being in front of me at stop lights, or even standing next to me and shreiking loudly in my ear *15* seconds after every song starts at a concert. Point being, however, the Internet still isn't the best way to handle ticket sales. TicketMaster just doesn't have the infrastructure to handle that amount of web traffic. There are two things I can see they can do to EASILY fix this: 1) Buy more bandwidth (duh.) 2) Simplify their pages. Don't load 600 images per page, dont't use frames. Attempt to minimize the number of connections needed per page. If a page currently has four images, and they require it only to have one, that's 75% more connections the server can process. [1] > >My $6.52 ($0.02 + $6.50 Ticketmaster convenience charge) > TM only charges $6.50 now? They're lowering their prices. ;) That doesn't include the $4.00 charge for ordering, the 2% fee for using a credit card, 6% tax, and a $20/ticket price-gouging fee. :) Keith S. [1] This is a gross simplification of an incredibly complex situation. However, any situation where you reduce the amount of connections and the size of the pages that have to be downloaded, you'll cause a speedup. - -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- Keith D. Shapiro * I love you more, than I did the week keither@iname.com * before I discovered alcohol. Would http://take3.dreamhost.com/ * you please ignore, that you found me AOL: kdshap0 ICQ: 1978801 * on the floor trying on your camisole. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:17:59 -0500 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Neverwhere again. Ok, I looked around, found it at Borders, but it wasn't the UK version with the foreword by Tori. I looked on Amazon.co.uk an it is out of stock, but they can usually get it within a month. Should I go ahead and order it from there? Also how would I go about paying for it since all I have is US dollars and it says the price is 7 pounds. I'm lost... Matthew have I been blind have I been lost inside myself and my own mind. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:43:45 GMT From: "Terry Ferrell" Subject: NEVERWHERE Well Guys..........................Since after I posted that message asking about Neil Gaiman, I had a bunch of people tell me that I should read "Neverwhere." So today after school I went to Barnes and Noble and bought it. I have not read that much of it, but I must say that it is rather different, but I like it. Also I saw where Tori has a quote about how good the book is in the beginning of the book. I also about Possessing The Secret Joy by Alice Walker, because of Tori's references to that book in a couple of her songs. I will read this one when I finish Neverwhere. I also bought this week's edition of Entertainment Weekly so I could put that pic of Tori on my wall along with my other Tori pics. I have my own personal Tori Amos Wall Of Fame in my bedroom. Well talk to you guys later Terry Aol Screen Name-------PoetMan888 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:56:04 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: A Case of You Shonda wrote: " One of my all time favorite songs is "Case of You" by Joni Mitchell.  During the polls, several people listed this as a favorite Tori cover.  I didn't know Tori did that song and I HAVE to have it. Can someone please tell me where I can find it? " Yes. It is on the second disc (b sides/covers) of "More Pink", the 2 cd set that was only available in Australia (or as an import at Virgin Megastore, which is where i got it back when). If i had a burner (which if i stay on the Tori lists i'm gonna have to get it seems like =) ) I'd make a copy. Maybe someone else out there will do that for you ? It's also on some boots. Such as, _Voices in the Air_, and, _Under the Covers with Tori_. If you joined the Tori boot list (you can find instructions as to how on "The Dent", at tori.by.net) or even asked here, maybe someone who has those, can burn off a cd of it for you from one of those sources. Hope this helped. K. "I could be wrong i could be right I could be black i could be white May the road rise with you" --PiL "Anger is an energy" --PiL "So shines a good deed, in a weary world." - --Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka; "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:17:55 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: standing in line/camping out (if u're tired of my griping, SCROLL) Nadyne wrote: " Since when did "real fan" mean that you had to give up the rest of your life? " I totally agree. That is one reason i was so angry at the lack of forethought and planning that (wasn't ?) was in evidence at the pre sale ticket sale (a contradiction in terms anyway; since many of the good seats appear to be gone, it was a *sale* doggonit !). I love Tori and her music and all that. But it is not worth it to me to do *anything* to see her perform. If that seems 'ungrateful' to some, well, my life and my time are important to me too, as well as seeing Tori concerts. To me that's a no-brainer. Or maybe i'm just getting old and grouchy ? Lol. In any case, i was thisclose to tossing all my Tori stuff ! I'm sick of these jump through hoops tests of how much we wanna go see her. Just treat us like people with other things to do, is all i ask, whoever's dreaming up all these special promotions (which always seem to get extra-messed-up in L.A., thanks to KROQ). (which, breaking the net-only rules btw, took out a full page ad in a local paper announcing sales thru their site; the site that never did work LOL) And i wanted to add two cents more, in that not everyone has the good health required to stand in line for hours, maybe in the cold and rain, for various reasons. In L.A. it's almost always wristband lotteries now anyway thanks to the city being just too dangerous to camp out (the places would never get insurance to cover it if they sanctioned it), and fistfights breaking out, and scalpers/ticket brokers hiring half the people who are there, to stand in line, anyway. Maybe there is no perfect way. Like Mikewhy said on the Dent's page about all this, this idea could work well in the future (altho i personally still think it's unfair to those without home computers/internet/the chance to take off work and lose those wages; and no, not every poor or even middle class family owns a tv and/or especially cable tv or internet hookups, or will in the future; but i know, that is nitpicking). *IF* (and this is a surprisingly big IF) all concerned use some common sense and work out all the bugs and think of everything that could go wrong, first. Is that really too much for the fans to ask of the people they are shelling out their hard earned dollars to ? And btw, aren't there anti-trust laws ? What is Ticketmonster if not a total monopoly ?! K. "I could be wrong i could be right I could be black i could be white May the road rise with you" --PiL "Anger is an energy" --PiL "So shines a good deed, in a weary world." - --Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka; "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #154 *************************************