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precious-things-digest     Monday, April 19 1999     Volume 04 : Number 115



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  Re: Tori in Chicago Jamboree                            [Mac456789@aol.com]
  Spark-Ambient mix                                         [BBK4351@aol.com]
  Re: upcoming tour thoughts...                            [EvilTori@aol.com]
  Sessions CDRs                      [Amy M Belden <ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu>]
  Re: tori on mtv jesse ultrasound                       [Heather980@aol.com]
  Tori and Alanis on tour                                [Thisbe5716@aol.com]
  Re: upcoming tour thoughts...                      [ally <ally@mizzou.org>]
  Re: Two quick comments and questions..                 [MoneekaEWF@aol.com]
  Re: Import and B-sides                    [Nadyne Mielke <nadyne@rmta.org>]
  Re: Summer Tour w/Alanis                               [LaMorenaCA@aol.com]
  (no subject)                    [Natalie Waag <blackorchid.nw@os.telia.no>]
  Lord of the Flies                                      [Gud4AStorm@aol.com]
  Re: upcoming tour thoughts... opening/main  [Shirley Ye <shye@uclink4.berk]
  Re: upcoming tour thoughts...       ["Terry Ferrell" <poet120@hotmail.com>]
  Re: FREE FRANCIS BEAN                  [Holly Rae Bemis <hobemis@NMSU.Edu>]
  Re: upcoming tour thoughts...                 [cinders blue <woj@smoe.org>]
  Re: Import and B-sides                                 [XXXPandora@aol.com]
  Tori on cover of Goldmine magazine!          [plugged99@webtv.net (Rob F.)]
  Re: Two quick comments and questions..   [marion.laqua@t-online.de (Laqua)]
  Re: tori & alanis                     [Beth Coulter <betheqt@voicenet.com>]
  Re: upcoming tour thoughts...          [Holly Rae Bemis <hobemis@NMSU.Edu>]
  Re: Two quick comments and questions..                 [XXXPandora@aol.com]
  Sometimes life is grand...                                [Erinita@aol.com]
  the tori/alanis tour                                  [devoted@garbage.com]
  Re: Dew Drop Inn and Skriker               [becky <zellarre@pilot.msu.edu>]
  Re: Two quick comments and questions..  ["beulah girl" <beulahgirl@hotmail]
  Re: upcoming tour thoughts... opening/main  [Beth Coulter <betheqt@voicene]
  the summer tori/alanis tour  ["Erika and Alan Lewis" <guildy@worldnet.att.]
  in the springtime of his voodoo                        [Jethro1980@aol.com]
  Tori MP3's             ["Smack You Sparkly" <idrinkturpentine@hotmail.com>]
  Re: upcoming tour thoughts... opening/main  ["Morning Crow" <lipglossboost]

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:51:36 EDT
From: Mac456789@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tori in Chicago Jamboree

In a message dated 4/18/99 4:00:25 AM, tgwyn@InfoAve.Net writes:

<<I just can't picture Tori playing at the same place as Hole.  Esspecially
after that funny comment about Maynard's FREE FRANCIS BEAN shirt.  >>

I never heard about this comment.  What's it about , and where's it from?

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:25:27 EDT
From: BBK4351@aol.com
Subject: Spark-Ambient mix

hi all,

 does anyone know where I can hear the Spark Ambient mix(I think that's what 
it's called- i'm pretty sure it's on the Raspberry Swirl/Cruel single) on the 
internet? I've been looking for it on all the Tori sites,but I haven't found 
it yet.... thanx

                                    ~Ashley
                                   bbk4351@aol.com
********************************************
"so i show you some more,and i learned what black magic can do...."
********************************************

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:09:07 EDT
From: EvilTori@aol.com
Subject: Re: upcoming tour thoughts...

In a message dated 99-04-18 11:59:06 EDT, you write:

<< i can't get into alanis. i'm not moved by her music nor her words.  that
 doesn't mean there are a lot of people who are.  i just always loved seeing
 tori because it was like having a cup of tea next to a fireplace ... even on
 plugged 98 :) >>

This is so sad..I would actually not go see Tori because I can't stand Alanis 
THAT much. It seems weird that Tori would tour with anyone as "big" as Alanis 
anyway, in the past she's used virtually unknown acts.

Robyn

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:16:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amy M Belden <ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Sessions CDRs

Hey all!  I seemed to have missed the entire Sessions CDR tree thing, and
was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to make a CDR copy of theirs
for me.  I'll pay for the cost of the CDR and shipping.  Please email me
privately.  Thanks!

Amy, the choirgirl

- --
Amy M Belden
ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu
BlackDove21@hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:15:34 EDT
From: Heather980@aol.com
Subject: Re: tori on mtv jesse ultrasound

I have been watching that show everytime it comes on - she is on about 5 mins 
into the show, so don't tune it late, u missed it!

Heather

<sorry if this has been mentioned, i haven't been paying attention.. i >
<was watching mtv ultrasound on jesse camp the "vj-turned-rock-star",> 
<and all of a suden jesse started talking about how he loved tori amos >
<and how they clicked.. and they showed clips of when tori was on mtv >
<live with jesse.. if you want to see it, i guess you'll just have to >
<stay tuned.. i don't know any exact times..>

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:27:49 EDT
From: Thisbe5716@aol.com
Subject: Tori and Alanis on tour

I don't want to seem unhappy about the fact that Tori is going to tour again, 
but I am  a little upset about the fact that Alanis is part of the show. I 
don't have a major problem with Alanis, but have any of you thought about how 
much harder it will be to get tickets to one of these concerts because she is 
being included on the bill? If any of you are like me, you've got school and 
work, and at that time of the year it will be difficult to just pick up an go 
to any part of the country to see a concert. I know, I know.... 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!  I just wondered if anyone else out there feels the same 
way. 

Amy

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:31:34 -0500
From: ally <ally@mizzou.org>
Subject: Re: upcoming tour thoughts...

okay, after reading like six million emails about this tour...  my thoughts:

1) why would tori tour with alanis?  seriously, it doesn't make much sense.
i mean, didn't tori say in some interview something like "i'm sure she's a
nice person, but i couldn't listen to that album again" (not quoted, sorry).

2) how would a three cd thing be released?  i mean, packaging wise?  it
would make more sense to have two or four, three seems sorta odd.

3) i hope tori does tour again, that would be fantastic.  only now its going
to be harder than hell to get tickets.  near the end of the last tour
tickets were hard to get and those were in arenas, godforbid if she'd play
mississippi nights, the blue note, first ave, or house of blues, you know?

blah blah blah blah blah.  i just jumped on the wagon, i suck :)

- -ally
        
              http://freespeech.org/soft
              anarchy is never this soft

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:54:41 EDT
From: MoneekaEWF@aol.com
Subject: Re: Two quick comments and questions..

In a message dated 4/18/1999 12:00:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kdshap0@sac.uky.edu writes:

<< This is perhaps one of the rudest comments I've heard on this list in a
 while.  I'm really disappointed.  It's extremely bad form to comment on
 the depths of someone's fandom. >>

i'd just like to say that i totally agree with what he has said.  there is no 
reason to make someone out to be not a true fan, just because they didn't go 
out and buy something the first day it was released.  i can see where it 
would be a hard decision if one was in the right situation.  

i have to say, i was a bit edgy for tori's FTCH when it first came out...i 
was "scared" (not literally) to buy it almost because i didn't know what to 
expect.  and it turned out to be good.  but of course, who would expect the 
same from tori?  it was a good experience.

but there's no reason to put someone down in that manner.  ;o/

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:19:49 -0500
From: Nadyne Mielke <nadyne@rmta.org>
Subject: Re: Import and B-sides

At 02:45 AM 4/18/99 -0400, JayMGee@aol.com wrote:
>
>Hi everyone.  I have a couple of questions (as I often do).  First of all, I 
>for the first time bought an import.  It was the Spark 2 import.  Now, it 
>came with these 3 picture things.  What are these things?  I mean, they're 
>pictures of Tori, so they're cool, but what are they?  Do they have a point 
>or are they just pictures?

They're just pictures. :)

>I feel kinda stupid about my other question.  I often see the stuff about a 
>few Tori songs and I've never heard these songs.  To name a few:  Merman, If 
>6 Was 9, Humpty Dumpty, Here, In My Head, and Flying Dutchman.  Now, I own 
>every Tori CD and single I have ever seen in stores, except a few imports, 
>but I've looked and they're not on them.  I feel stupid because everyone 
>seems like they know these songs, but I've never heard them.  Are they songs 
>she does live?  I've been to one concert and I don't think she played any of 
>these.  Where do these songs come from?

"Merman" isn't available on any CD.  When ftch was originally released, if
you pre-ordered it from Tower Records, you got a little code to download
this song.  Thankfully, Atlantic et al made it available to the general
public near the Grammies.  Check out
<http://a2bwest1.a2bmusic.com/grammy.asp> to download the song and the
silly little player you need to get it.

"If 6 Was 9" is available on the UK "Cornflake Girl" limited edition
single.  This is very hard to find, and goes for US$60 and up.  This single
also has "Strange Fruit" and "A Case of You".  Only "A Case of You" is
available elsewhere {on "More Pink"}.  

"Humpty Dumpty" is a LE-era bee-side, available on the UK China release.
This is pretty hard to find, and the CD goes for US$50 or so these days.
Someone reported awhile ago that "Humpty Dumpty" was re-released on a
children's compilation last year, but I can't recall details right now.

"Here. In My Head" is another LE-era bee-side, and it's available on the UK
Crucify release.  This is pretty hard to find, and goes for around US$30
the last I paid any attention to it.  This song is also available on the
Australian "More Pink" release, which I -highly- recommend picking up.

"Flying Dutchman" is also LE-era, and it's also on the UK China release.
It's also on "More Pink".

"More Pink" is a special Australian 2-disc release of UtP.  The first disc
is UtP, and the second disc is a collection of bee-sides.  You can order it
directly from Australia, and it'll cost you less than trying to find it in
the US.  Check out <http://www.gaslight.com.au> and
<http://www.redeye.com.au>.  Remember that these are Australian websites,
so the prices given are in Australian dollars.  Divide by 1.5 to get a
- -rough- estimate of what it'll cost you in US$.  {Use your credit card to
order, and they'll do the conversion for you, and give you the best rate
for it.}

These songs are also available on some bootlegs.  The UtP-era bee-sides are
on "Over the Pink", and the LE ones are on "Precious Little Rarities".  A
single CD bootleg will cost you $20-$20, and a double will cost you
$40-$60.  You may also want to ask around and see if someone would be
willing to make you copies of these songs [1] -- that'll certainly be
cheaper than trying to find the original singles or digging up the bootlegs
yourself.

/nad

[1] Please note: I don't normally support someone making copies of
bee-sides, but I do make exceptions for bee-sides that are so commonly
available.  All the BfP and ftch bee-sides are still commonly available,
but many of the earlier ones aren't.  I see no reason for someone to pay
all sorts of money for the singles {since Tori doesn't get any of the money
for it anyway}.  

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:39:36 EDT
From: LaMorenaCA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Summer Tour w/Alanis

In a message dated 4/17/99 8:26:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, baden3@TCNJ.EDU 
writes:

<< The Dent says Tori will do a five week tour in late summer with Alanis
 Morisette. although i'm not too thrilled about this, i'm sure many of you
 are. it's in the new issue of Rolling Stone. >>

i have to say that i agree with this disappointment. i saw alanis and garbage 
on april fool's day in san jose and i was very disappointed. garbage rocked!! 
but, alanis totally fell below my expectations. i just hope that if this tour 
thing is true and they are touring together, that tori is the main act. if 
it's the other way around, i'm out after tori's set.

- -dorena

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:11:48 +0200
From: Natalie Waag <blackorchid.nw@os.telia.no>
Subject: (no subject)

Hi!

I´m looking for mp3z from Little Earthquakes Demos And Outtakes, I´m
missing:
01.Crucify Outtake
04.Take To The Sky Demo
09.Thoughts Solo Piano Demo
14.The Pool Demo

If anyone knows where I can download them, please let me know, or if
someone has these mp3z I´d greatly appreciate if that special someone
could send them to me.
Thanks!

Love Natalie

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:27:43 EDT
From: Gud4AStorm@aol.com
Subject: Lord of the Flies

Okay....if anyone is willing to delve into this, I'm willing to go with you.  
But be warned...it's kinda dark and eerie where we're going.  I'm assuming (I 
know, sometimes a big mistake) that Tori has a vast array of reference 
material, which she draws from at will, to express very complex ideas in a 
very concise way.  Here we go:

"the Lord of the Flies was diagnosed as sound" - let's start our journey 
here.  I'm not sure if you're familiar with this novel, its symbolism, 
themes, etc.  And to be honest, I'm not that familiar with it myself.  
So.....I did a little search and came up with some interesting, possibly 
conflicting theological concepts.  Okay.....now, in the novel, the Lord of 
the Flies seems to represent the Devil/evil, what have you that exists 
outside of us, while the Beast seems to represent the evil present inside 
each of us.  Biblically, particularly in Exodus, there is reference to the 
Lord and his use of the flies against the Pharoah and Egyptians - the evil 
ones - hence it almost seems *He* is Lord of the Flies? And, at least as far 
as the Bible is concerned, He is the good guy.  

Okay.....so.....going with that particular lyric, we can either assume Tori 
is defining sound (music?) as good or evil.  Or something else entirely. Or 
maybe I should just go shampoo my hair.  Please give me your thoughts....I 
have lots more spinning around in my un-shampooed head, but I'll stop here 
for now....see where you all would like to go with this....and maybe add more 
later.

Michelle

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:24:09 -0700
From: Shirley Ye <shye@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: upcoming tour thoughts... opening/main

I'm speculating who will perform _first_/"open" and who will perform
2nd/"main"... That could prove tricky for the two artistic egos, as Alanis
is hugely famous in her own right, and she has been playing the huge venues
Tori played during her Plugged tour.  
In most concerts the last performer is the "headliner" and the 1st just a
lesser opener.
I hope Alanis "opens" for Tori, just so Tori will be the center of
attention =)  Isn't that so spiteful of me? =) What do you guys think

Shirley Ye
Berkeley, California
shye@uclink4.berkeley.edu

I am not an angry girl, 
but it seems like I've got everyone fooled. 
Every time I say something they find hard to hear, 
they chalk it up to my anger 
and never to their own fear.
- -Ani Difranco, Not a Pretty Girl

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:24:34 PDT
From: "Terry Ferrell" <poet120@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: upcoming tour thoughts...

Loria wrote:
i have to say i'm really disappointed that a tour for tori's live album
>may end up like this.  i know people will disagree with me, but i'm
>really sad.

I must say that I do agree with Loria if Tori did end up on tour with Alanis.  Alanis would attract a larger audience.  Plus at Tori concerts you feel a special connection to every indivual there, and if Alanis tours with her then that connection is totally distroyed.

Terry

>From: Loria <nearlori@pilot.msu.edu>
>Reply-To: Loria <nearlori@pilot.msu.edu>
>To: precious-things@smoe.org
>Subject: upcoming tour thoughts...
>Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:38:23 -0400
>
>
>okay i know this is still technically rumour, but is anyone out there
>mildly disturbed at the thought of tori touring with alanis morissette?
>i have nothing against alanis, i dont care for her music, but i have
>nothing against her...  i just cannot imagine tori touring with anyone
>else like this.  i am so afraid that there will be no chance for me, the
>toriphile who can't always camp out for tickets, to get good seats for a
>show i'll only want to go to half of... and i'm really convinced a lot
>of magic is going to be lost with a crowd that mostly is there to see
>morissette.
>
>i have to say i'm really disappointed that a tour for tori's live album
>may end up like this.  i know people will disagree with me, but i'm
>really sad.
>
>~~loria~
>


_______________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:04:43 -0600
From: Holly Rae Bemis <hobemis@NMSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: FREE FRANCIS BEAN

At 12:54 PM -0600 4/17/99, Tripp Gwyn wrote:
>I just can't picture Tori playing at the same place as Hole.  Esspecially
>after that funny comment about Maynard's FREE FRANCIS BEAN shirt.

I never have heard of this shirt before, but, damn, I find that amusing.

~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
O Z M A
~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
girl ruler of the marvelous
land of OZ
@}}---{---{----
~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
HollyRae@over-the-rainbow.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:47:37 -0400
From: cinders blue <woj@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: upcoming tour thoughts...

MC 900 Ft Loria rapped:

>okay i know this is still technically rumour, but is anyone out there
>mildly disturbed at the thought of tori touring with alanis morissette?

not really. i think it could be kinda neat, in fact. while there is a lot
of crossover between their fans, i think a double-headline could give some
alanis fans a chance to hear tori and vice versa. i'm in the latter camp,
for instance. i've only heard the alanis' singles -- and each not more than
a few times at that. they sounded interesting, but not interesting enough
to go out and buy her records. maybe seeing her in a live context will
interest me enough (or, possibly, ensure that i never think about buying
her albums!).

i'm more worried about the choice of venues. i'm dislike outdoor venues
quite a bit and the rumors i've heard indicate that most of the shows will
be in open air amphitheatres. ugh bleah! ;)

>i have to say i'm really disappointed that a tour for tori's live album
>may end up like this.

i'm surprised that she's touring to support the live album at all. that,
too, seems more strange than touring with alanis. i wonder why what the
motivation for this tour was. who's idea it is. as richard said, tori like
the idea, so it doesn't appear that atlantic is shoving this down her
throat, but you have to admit that it is odd for her to tour again so soon
and for a live album at that.

woj

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:06:58 EDT
From: XXXPandora@aol.com
Subject: Re: Import and B-sides

In a message dated 4/18/1999 11:59:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
JayMGee@aol.com writes:

<<  What are these things?  I mean, they're 
 pictures of Tori, so they're cool, but what are they?  Do they have a point 
 or are they just pictures? >>

they are pretty much just pictures -- they are in that single as a little 
bonus since its limited edition much like handwriitten lyrics, postcards or 
stickers in other limited edition singles.

>> I often see the stuff about a 
few Tori songs and I've never heard these songs.  To name a few:  Merman, If 
6 Was 9, Humpty Dumpty, Here, In My Head, and Flying Dutchman.  Now, I own 
every Tori CD and single I have ever seen in stores, except a few imports, 
but I've looked and they're not on them.  I feel stupid because everyone 
seems like they know these songs, but I've never heard them.  Are they songs 
she does live?  I've been to one concert and I don't think she played any of 
these.  Where do these songs come from?<<

Merman was a special download (on the a2b player) that was originally only 
given to those who pre-purchased FTCgH through Tower records online.  It can 
be found in various places on the net in mp3 and Real Audio format -- it was 
never released on any other format and she has played it live quite a few 
times.
If 6 was 9 is a cover of a Jimi Hendrix song and is available on the UK 
Limited Edition Cornflake Girl single.
Humpty Dumpty is a bluesy spin off on the nursery rhyme and is on the UK 
China single.
Here in my head is a more well known song and can be found in a few places, 
the little eathquakes video, the UK crucify single, UK past the mission 
single disc 2, More Pink etc.
Flying Dutchman can be found on the UK past the mission disc 1, the UK China 
single and More Pink.
If you need any more help or want mp3's or a tape of these songs -- email me 
personally :)

   kisses, 
      ~*  joanne

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:55:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: plugged99@webtv.net (Rob F.)
Subject: Tori on cover of Goldmine magazine!

Hi. Tori is on the cover of the Goldmine magazine which just arrived in
my mailbox today. It's the May 7, 1999 issue (Vol. 25, No. 10, Issue
490). There's a nice picture that I've not seen before and the headline
"Tori Amos Hard to Peg" on the front. The article is on pp. 14-15 and is
titled "Talk Talk" with the subheading "Tori Amos and the evolving on
her songs." There are three pictures including the YKTR cover and one
from the Past the Mission single. -Rob F.

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:16:24 +0200
From: marion.laqua@t-online.de (Laqua)
Subject: Re: Two quick comments and questions..

Mike Patano wrote: 
>
> Two quick comments and questions..
>
> 1.  Does anyone know where to get any Tori MP3's.
>
> 2.  I am a rather big fan of Tori Amos for the past 3 years now, and I just
>  managed to pick up Choirgirl Hotel.  The reason I waited so long is because
>  I heard that it was more or less 'Tori goes techno', and although this is
>  not the whole truth, I must say that it is by far her worst album to date. 
>  I am not being harsh or cruel, I think Boys For Pele goes down in my own
>  personal favorite musical albums (one that has affected me emotionally still
>  to this day when I hear certain songs) of all time...which is maybe why I
>  just HATE this album..comparing it to her previous efforts.  Anyone else
>  feel close to this way?
>
>First of all: I could never say I HATE FtCGH. I don`t like RS a lot, but the 
others are very beautiful in my eyes (Pandora`s Aquarium, Spark, Black Dove...).
But besides that I can understand your point of view.
I love Boys for Pele so much and it is definitely my favourite.
When you listen to the whole album (BfP) from the beginning to the end it`s 
kinda like an emotional journey. You feel everything so real: pain, joy, hate, 
love...(I know some of you might disagree, but that`s just what I think about 
it) I love every song with all my heart.
Now the "problem" with Choirgirl is maybe that it`s so different from BfP. Tori 
has changed with all her albums, but maybe people that loved BfP can not except 

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:27:36 -0400
From: Beth Coulter <betheqt@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: tori & alanis 

If MikeWhy and Richard both say these are more than rumors, then I'm going
to take the tour scenerio as fact.  My first impulse when I heard was "No!
I won't go!  Alanis???  What jerkoff is *forcing* Tori into such a
thing???"  But Tori isn't being *forced*, (maybe bribed or coerced) and it
is an extra bonus to see Tori years before I thought she'd be back on the
road.  

"Jagged Little Pill" wasn't bad.  I didn't play it obsessively, but then
again, I only play Tori obsessively.  Her videos were ok, the lyrics
weren't bad and I could get behind the angry grrl sentiment.  But pay to
see her in concert?  Hey, if I was given her new album, I'd play it, but I
wouldn't go out of my way to spend money on Alanis.  She's ok.  Like Jewel
is ok.  Like Natilie is ok. I'm not a big "grrl" groupie.  I connect with
"Tori", not the whole girl, lillith faire bit.

But to have them tour together, that might make an interesting chemistry.
They strike me as the type who could feed off eachothers energy and bring
that much more to the show.  I am hesitent about the fans and their
behavior.  See, I was shocked at concert behavior at the Plugged concerts
(having only been to one 94 and the RAINN concert before), and I know that
Alanis' fans would bring the same sort of energy to these shows.  It's not
bad, it's just not for me.  I don't understand the need to stand at the
foot of the stage screaming.  I don't understand how someone can go "oh my
god, oh my god, oh my god, she's playing it, oh my god oh my god" during
the entire song they've waited all night to hear.  How can you hear over
your own voice???  (sorry, some chick does that on a boot I have and ruins
the song).

But if I want to see Tori live, I need to deal with these things.  If I
don't want to deal, I don't go. To those of you who are ready to puke over
the whole idea, welp, I'm sorry you are so upset.  I suggest you stay
really busy in Aug and Sept and stay off line and pretend it just isn't
happening.  The rest of you, well, guess I will see you all in line! ;)
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:28:12 -0600
From: Holly Rae Bemis <hobemis@NMSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: upcoming tour thoughts...

At 9:09 PM -0600 4/17/99, Mikewhy wrote:
>loria posted:
>
>>okay i know this is still technically rumour, but is anyone out there
>>mildly disturbed at the thought of tori touring with alanis morissette?
>...
>>i have to say i'm really disappointed that a tour for tori's live album
>>may end up like this.  i know people will disagree with me, but i'm
>>really sad.
>
>I am actually intrigued with the idea that Tori may be touring with Alanis.
>Remember, this is a special short tour to promote the live album and not a
>regular Tori tour.

All I can say is, I hope Tori headlines.

:)

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:42:18 EDT
From: XXXPandora@aol.com
Subject: Re: Two quick comments and questions..

In a message dated 4/18/1999 11:49:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kdshap0@sac.uky.edu writes:

<< This is perhaps one of the rudest comments I've heard on this list in a
 while.  I'm really disappointed.  It's extremely bad form to comment on
 the depths of someone's fandom.
 
 This matter has been brought up before, but a person can be a fan of Tori
 without owning EVERY album, every single and every bootleg known to man.
 Hell, someone who just heard Spark on the radio and fell in love can be
 just as much a fan as a jaded person who runs out and blows all of their
 money on Tori. >>


obviously I knew it was rude -- I stated in the same sentence and went on to 
retract the statement in one of the next sentences.
I also think you should take the time and read the rest of the post before 
you make an equally rude comment . . . showing you are no better than me.
even the person who I made the comment to understood what I was saying and 
agreed with me.  This is from his email to me, a reaction to the bitch 
comment.
>>I'm not that big of a fan.   I heard singles from friends, Raspberry Swirl 
in paritcular, and I thought it was horrible. . . <<
 
and I totally agree with this -- if I wasn't that big of a fan and heard RS I 
probably wouldn't have bought FTCgH either.  In fact when I heard it (before 
I got the whole CD) I was actually scared that the whole thing would sound 
that way --- until I heard more of the other songs.
I never said that you have to spend all of your money on tori, have every 
single and thousands of bootlegs or ever tried to make this person look bad.  
I totally understand where he is coming from and respect that.  Please don't 
put words in my mouth or accuse me of things I didn't do.  I was simply 
stating that the level of excitement and anticipation for a new album that is 
generally felt by big fan's of tori or anyone else didn't seem to be evident 
in his post -- which I was right about.

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:06:53 EDT
From: Erinita@aol.com
Subject: Sometimes life is grand...

Hey Everyone,
I thought I would share a piece of my happiness with you this evening. (The 
rare pieces that are available to others.) This may or may not be common 
knowledge, but I picked up the VH-1 Crossroads cd (something I've been 
putting off doing for way too long now) so that I could add Tori's "I'm On 
Fire" Bruce Springsteen cover to my collection. I was pushed over the edge 
when I heard the original version on the radio while driving & having 
recalled the recent request for it's lyrics on this very newsgroup, I thought 
someone was trying to tell me something, so I went to the store and got the 
song, errr, umm, I mean the CD. So I notice that it was labeled as an 
Enhanced CD & it said something on the back about a bonus video in the 
enhancement. So I was like "Cool, I'll pop it in & watch Melissa Etheridge, 
Blues Traveler, or someone, (thinking, crossing my fingers, that I possibly 
had a 1 in 13 chance of it actually being Tori, if they were to highlight one 
of the artists whose track appears on the album.) So, I popped it in & my 
CD-Rom decides to go apeshit for a sec & make these really strange noises, 
freaking out, I quickly took the CD out & threw in some other CD that I knew 
for sure worked. Well, the computer was fine, so I was able to wipe the 
forming beads of sweat off my brow & give the Crossroads CD another try. So, 
praying to the Gods for a little faerie dust, I did. And, you've probably 
guessed it by now, due to the effort that I'm putting into dragging this post 
on....
THEY CHOSE TORI'S PERFORMANCE! YIPEE! (Now, folks, I hope this wasn't a 
random luck thing, maybe she isn't on all of the crossroads cd's, I don't 
want to get anyone's hopes up, but I would certainly recommend checking it 
out...)
Kisses,
Erin

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:35:21 -0500
From: devoted@garbage.com
Subject: the tori/alanis tour

here's my opinion. i stand behind another's words on this,
because basicly, he said it way better than i could describe my
feelings. on the mtv show "ultrasound: the toriphiles", right at the
end of the show, this cute guy basicly says (im paraphrasing
here) 
 "i dont care how big tori gets. if she plays on the moon, i'll
go watch her on the moon"

this is so true for me. if tori played on the moon, i'd go
watch. in a farm? be there in a second. with mariah carey on a stage
in a mall in texas? you bet. 
a nice club in seatlle with cushie seats with a best friend and
a sweater?  why wouldn't i?  besides the fact that alains
morissette may be there. if it's tori, im not bothered by the
surrounding details. 
my veiws in morissette aren't strong either way. i liked jagged
little pill, and yea im a bit annoyed by her new stuff, but
she'd not like, horrible or anything. maybe it's atlantic's way of
getting new tori fans. i mean, there was GREAT boost in
garbage's Version 2.0 sales after the Alanis/Garbage tour, who says it
wouldn't do the same for Tori? Maybe that's the reasoning behind
the whole thing.


other wise, I am just *SO PSYCHED* that she's going to have a
whole new CD of new material out!! Not to mention a few dozen
live tracks, now what could be better?? :)

ja.ma.ta.nay!

- -courtney
(you could call me obbsessed, a toriphile if you will.)
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:40:32 -0400
From: becky <zellarre@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dew Drop Inn and Skriker

Hello.

I wrote a response to the whole schizophrenic discussion and I was the
director that glytter girl was talking about.

"The Skriker" is a brilliant play written by Caryl Churchill.  If you ever
get a chance to see it, please do.  It's in the avante garde frame of mind.
The Skriker is a faerie queen living in the Underworld.  She is dying and
needs the human side of the world to help become immortal.  They need her,
as well.

It deals with female relationships, death, fantasy, and other interesting
things.

I gave Tori a copy of it at Saint Andrews.  I hope she read it because it
would be right up her alley.  It's a little difficult to comprehend,  but
that's not a bad thing.

Well, I hope this helps you out.  If you have any more questions regarding
this show, feel free to ask me.

Have a great day,
becky


>>
>>i saw a play when i was abroad in england called the skriker or 
>something
>>like that and the whole play was written in the mind of a 
>schitzophrenic
>
>
>A fellow EWF on this list Becky Zellar put on this same play at her 
>univeristy not too long ago and it was fabulous.  maybe she could put 
>some more input on the schitzophrenic/rhyming thing that you are 
>talking about.....Becky you out there?
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:43:59 PDT
From: "beulah girl" <beulahgirl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Two quick comments and questions..

Hi Keith

I just wanted to say that I collect a large amount of Tori items, but 
I do not consider myself jaded.  I understand the point you were 
trying to make and I agree with it, but please choose your words more 
carefully.  You were being just as inconsiderate as you perceive 
others.

Thanks
Emma


From: Keith Shapiro <kdshap0@sac.uky.edu>
Reply-To: Keith Shapiro <kdshap0@sac.uky.edu>
To: XXXPandora@aol.com
CC: MikePa@hlyw.com, precious-things@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Two quick comments and questions..
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:48:57 -0400 (EDT)


> << I am a rather big fan of Tori Amos for the past 3 years now, and 
I just
> managed to pick up Choirgirl Hotel.  The reason I waited so long is 
because I

> OK well first of all let me get my bitch comment out right away - a 
rather
> big fan of Tori Amos would have bought the album the week it came 
out.

This is perhaps one of the rudest comments I've heard on this list in 
a
while.  I'm really disappointed.  It's extremely bad form to comment 
on
the depths of someone's fandom.

This matter has been brought up before, but a person can be a fan of 
Tori
without owning EVERY album, every single and every bootleg known to 
man.
Hell, someone who just heard Spark on the radio and fell in love can 
be
just as much a fan as a jaded person who runs out and blows all of 
their
money on Tori.

Please consider what you're saying before imposing such harsh 
criticisms
on another person.  Instead of making HIM look bad, you've made 
yourself
out to be a kook.

Until later,

Keith S.

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:03:54 -0400
From: Beth Coulter <betheqt@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: upcoming tour thoughts... opening/main

Back in the olden days of the seventies, there was an invention called
"Co-Headers".  Today it can be seen in diverse of acts such as Bob Dylan
and Natalie Merchant.  No one is opening for the other.  If Tori plays
first, no one misses the encores to catch the after m&g.  If Tori plays
last, maybe all the alanis fans will split for the stage door, leaving room
for us Tori fans. :)

At 02:24 PM 4/18/99 -0700, Shirley Ye wrote:
>
>I'm speculating who will perform _first_/"open" and who will perform
>2nd/"main"... That could prove tricky for the two artistic egos, as Alanis
>is hugely famous in her own right, and she has been playing the huge venues
>Tori played during her Plugged tour.  
Fairy Blessings,
Bethey
I'm OK when everything's not OK
 cause
 it's the Fairies Revenge they say
 and I have always been a Fairy
***************************************************************
*~**Fairy Blessings**~*
~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~
a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring
updated at least monthly
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:58:28 -0400
From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" <guildy@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: the summer tori/alanis tour

Hellooooo!!

OK, I've been reading everyone's thoughts about this upcoming tour thing.
what I am really wondering about, and others have mentioned this, is who is
gonna headline.  now, I have a feeling that if its not a co-headline kinda
thing Alanis will be the headliner.  I think that in general Alanis has a
wider fan base and many more kinda incidental fans who are willing to go see
her.  it seems, and this is only an opinion, that Tori fans either really
really really like her, really really like her, really like her, and like
her, there aren't many floating around, that I can see, that can take her or
leave her, but would still be willing to go to a show.  anyway, if Tori is
only going to be opening, and playing a shorter set than usual, and if a
show isnt really close by, I wont be going, unless (and I'm pretty sure this
is just my dreaming a little dream) she takes only her piano and does only
b-sides.
So, I'd really like to know what you all think about this, I mean I'd be
willing to see Alanis, but I don't think I'd be willing to travel any sort
of distance unless I was gonna get the same amount of Tori.  hope this makes
sense, and I'd like to hear anyone's thoughts, on the list or otherwise.

Be Well
Erika
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let's go for a ride "

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:01:11 EDT
From: Jethro1980@aol.com
Subject: in the springtime of his voodoo

okay I was listening to In the Springtime of His Voodoo and I wasn't real 
sure what Tori meant in a line and was wondering if someone could help me. 
The line is
"...when you're the sweetest cherry in an apple pie."

another little faerie
Sara

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:58:32 PDT
From: "Smack You Sparkly" <idrinkturpentine@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tori MP3's

I know this has been discussed before- but please will somebody 
resend me the names of the places where I can get Tori MP3's?  I want 
complete ones- not ones that are cut off.  I would really like it if 
someone could get me the mp3's for the LE Demos And OUttakes discs- 
since I've been looking for them.  If you have them, or know where to 
get them-please E-Mail me at IDrinkTurpentine@Hotmail.com.
THANKS!!!!!!
Love,
Becky

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:09:48 -0500
From: "Morning Crow" <lipglossboost@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: upcoming tour thoughts... opening/main

I think it'd be cool if they like switch up occasionally as to who opens and
such... that way neither would be a headliner... but both kind of an equal
to the other.

Morning Crow

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From: Shirley Ye <shye@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: Mikewhy <mikewhy@iglou.com>; <precious-things@smoe.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: upcoming tour thoughts... opening/main


>
> I'm speculating who will perform _first_/"open" and who will perform
> 2nd/"main"... That could prove tricky for the two artistic egos, as Alanis
> is hugely famous in her own right, and she has been playing the huge
venues
> Tori played during her Plugged tour.
> In most concerts the last performer is the "headliner" and the 1st just a
> lesser opener.
> I hope Alanis "opens" for Tori, just so Tori will be the center of
> attention =)  Isn't that so spiteful of me? =) What do you guys think
>
> Shirley Ye
> Berkeley, California
> shye@uclink4.berkeley.edu
>
> I am not an angry girl,
> but it seems like I've got everyone fooled.
> Every time I say something they find hard to hear,
> they chalk it up to my anger
> and never to their own fear.
> -Ani Difranco, Not a Pretty Girl

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