From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #108 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, April 13 1999 Volume 04 : Number 108 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: star f#*%er [Katapilla7@aol.com] Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori ["Kelly Webb" ] Re: seeing tori [Beth Coulter ] Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori ["C. F." ] Re: Dew Drop Inn and some other things... [Ellen Morris so i was listening ot howard stern this morning and they were talking about > kathy lee sucking up to famous people and being such a star fucker would > that > be what tori is meaning by a star fucker some one that sucks up to famous > people or something > heh, i always thought starfucker was the equivalent of a degratory name for a guy, > like asshole, son of a bitch, those are putdowns for guys. i have started my friends > on using starfucker as the same. so who knows. i doubt Howard Stern is Toriphile, > he made a comment like she was "cheerful" or something, because of MAAG, and > he was being sarcastic. of course, she came up with a perfectly delicious > comeback. peace, manda >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:52:51 EDT From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori I can understand why some people would not want to meet Tori. I've heard so many stories of people meeting a celebrity who they idolized for a long time, only to be disappointed by the real person. It's an incredible letdown, and nothing they ever do again has the same meaning. I was lucky enough to meet Tori at an after show meet and greet in November, and I can tell you that I was not disappointed! Tori seemed to be just as wonderful in person as you could ever hope. I say "seemed" because I really didn't get a chance to talk to her. There were a ton of people there, and all I really had time to do was say thank you and hand her my program to sign (I forgot my Little Earthquakes CD... arrrrgh!!!!!!) The only thing that I was disappointed about was the fact that I didn't get to talk to her. I would go to a meet and greet again in a minute, but I would REALLY love to sit down to tea and have a real conversation. Oh well.... *sigh*.... I guess everybody has a dream! That's my two cents on the subject! Amy ** she's brand new now to you... ** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:02:27 PDT From: "Kelly Webb" Subject: Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori > >I completely understand what you're saying. I am also hesitant to meet >Tori because I would not know how to express myself in words. I know >that if I tried I would simply make a fool out of myself. I have >pondered this many times and have thought that maybe one of my paintings >or sculpures could express these feelings much more effeciantly than my >words ever could, however up until now this perfect piece of art has not >yet been born but I shall keep you posted! > >~~*shanti blessed be*~ > i went to my first meet'n greet on nov 7th. (tori played in indiana pa.) i had been to 2 shows on previous tours but never went to a meet'n greet because i had no idea they exsisted. anyways, i was anxious and nervous and felt like i would explode. we got there at 9. there were maybe 10 people ahead of us. i waited and waited... and as i was waiting i wrote tori a letter because i knew i wouldn't be able to tell her everything i wanted to or let her know how her music has become a part of my soul. i got in the second row. i couldn't believe it when i saw her bus show up. i was actually going to see her up close. she came over and talked to me... i gave her my letter wich was the *most* important thing. she signed my LE cd. then it was over..... it happened so fast. i cried afterward... (i don't care if this sounds dumb..) but it was like a religious experience. she was so down to earth. (and she did read all her letters because she played a song for me!!!) -Kelly will we burn in heaven like we do down here? -Sarah McLahlan _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:50:55 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: seeing tori At 10:37 AM 4/12/99 -0500, Cynthia Lawson wrote: >And I guess I perfectly understand Erin's post, although I don't agree with "I don't want to destroy the Goddess-like picture I have formed of her in my heart & in my mind." I don't agree with deciding not to meet someone because your perception of that person might change. > *note to those who don't know: I have Multiple Personalities.* This conversation of meeting Tori got me thinking of a sort of internal crisis this very thing caused. I fell in love with Tori's music and words from the first notes of Crucify in June '92. The one thing I wanted for years was to meet this woman who had come to mean so much to me. I had (since integrated) an alter by the name of Heather who was 14. She loved *Tori*, thought that she was indeed a goddess, worthy of worship. She too dreamed of meeting Tori, but to kneel at her feet and cry tears of graditude on her toes. When I first moved into my new apartment (the first home of my *own*), Heather and I had our one and only debate. She thought that our cover of Spin poster (the one of Tori with lip gloss and nothing else) should hang above our bed. I thought it deserved a nice place on the wall. We even brought the arguement to Mikewhy to solve. (the poster is on the wall in the hall). Last November, the fates, fairies and stars all came together and granted me the opportunity to meet Tori backstage. Heather was a nervous wreck and could only peek through my eyes instead of coming out to meet Tori herself. But Heather was crushed. Tori Amos turned out to be a human being. Not only a human being, but someone who treated us as her equal. This was not a goddess granting favors. This was a woman who was no better or worse than ourselfs (not a misspelling). Heather took up quite a few therapy sessions trying to come to grips with her idol falling to earth. She could no longer find excitement in Tori news. The music made her sad. She never did come to accept that Tori hadn't fallen, Heather had just placed her at unrealistic heights. I find it kind of nice to no longer have a "Tori Obsessed" side of me. I feel pleased when I see her on the tube, or listen to a boot. She still has the power to make me cry. But ever since I found out I have the same power over her, it feels like something more reciprical than it did before. Those of you who have Tori up there in the cosmos, don't ever, ever meet her. It will crush you. or maybe it won't and you will find a new appriciation for the creature of earth named Tori Amos. I wish Heather had found that before she integrated. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:23:57 EDT From: "C. F." Subject: Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori I totally understand why you guys are saying this about not wanting to meet Tori and this is AFTER the fact for me. I was sure I'd never get to meet her, but I was lucky the first time I ever saw her in concert. It was in Montreal last July and when I was there, waiting for my turn to talk, I couldn't believe I was seeing her like that. There were all sorts of sentiments I wanted to convey about how her music made me feel and the inspiration it gave me in so many facets of life. Then, she came up to me, and I just sorta froze...All I could think to say was "you were really great.." I wanted to kick myself in the tooshka afterwards. I was in such shock that I can barely remember the hug and smooch on the kiss that she gave me. But, just knowing it happened is enough to make me smile. :-) Cheerios! Carly Tori Amos - Perfectly Windy Sky http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/delta/7904/torimain.html >From: conchita@home.com >Reply-To: conchita@home.com >To: Erinita@aol.com >CC: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori >Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:16:32 -0700 > > >I completely understand what you're saying. I am also hesitant to meet >Tori because I would not know how to express myself in words. I know >that if I tried I would simply make a fool out of myself. I have >pondered this many times and have thought that maybe one of my paintings >or sculpures could express these feelings much more effeciantly than my >words ever could, however up until now this perfect piece of art has not >yet been born but I shall keep you posted! > >~~*shanti blessed be*~ > > >Erinita@aol.com wrote: >> >> Hello My Pretties, >> Ever thought to yourself what it would be like to meet the Goddess? I'm sure >> many of you on this list have had the occasion to do so. And what a wonderful >> experience it must have been. People often ask me if I would want to meet >> her, or they simply just assume that when I go to a show, I long for a moment >> outside by the buses or a chance to get backtage. But, that is so not the >> case. I feel that I can never meet her, I don't want to destroy the >> Goddess-like picture I have formed of her in my heart & in my mind. Not >> necessarily that meeting her would be a disappointment, but why mess with the >> perfection that her music has built for me? For some, I am sure it would very >> much seem like a crusade, a pilgrimage to meet her, but for me, she is a >> place I can never go. Like Tori never wanting to visit Borneo, she can't go >> there, it's locked up in her heart, as she is in mine. Besides, I am not sure >> that I would be ready for her in this lifetime. I would much rather be the >> quiet observer, speaking to her simply wouldn't justify the void her music >> has filled in my gut And I say gut, because when the void is not full, it >> aches so much as to that of a starving belly. It would all come out wrong, I >> would look like a gushing fool, when the poetry I feel inside is because of >> her & her music. Anyone understand? I would love to hear your thoughts on >> this subject. >> Faerie Winged Wonders, >> Erin the Goddess > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:20:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ellen Morris Subject: Re: Dew Drop Inn and some other things... hi guys, i have been reading this thread about the origins of the Dew Drop Inn and its role in her MMF. i have to ask if there are any PSYCHOLOGY people out there who might have some insight in a thought i have about Pele in general, but this lyric and many in "horses" in particular are a good example of it. but i majored in psych in undergrad and many of tori's lyrics i find have a sort of "schitzophrenic" quality in it.. but honey DO DROP INN at the DEW DROP INN.. ...a tailor a sailor but you would if i would but you never will... very repetitive rhyming like. i saw a play when i was abroad in england called the skriker or something like that and the whole play was written in the mind of a schitzophrenic i dont want to totally get into it b/c i havent given too much thought into it, but i just wanted to throw out the idea to see if anyone else with possibly more psych background (or more recent!) than i might see what i see, or i should say HEAR what i hear :) and on the subject of CHRISTIANITY...hmmmm i have a lot to say but i dont know exactly what it all is, hmmmm... well i am a very serious orthodox christian, and that has been why i relate to tori's music SO much, b/c she talks about many issues that i want to explore or have in regards to christianity and questions or problems i have with. just b/c you are spiritually christian doesnt mean you have to subscribe to everything the organized faith has to say. plus i dont think that Tori herself is very anti-christian. i think she has a lot of issues with it, or i should say b/c of it and has survived in spite of it, but if she didnt believe at all she would just dismiss it all as bogus and not have to write about her version of it in her music, dont you think. she has taken some and added some and thrown some other junk out. now Nikos Kazantzakis is an author who was excomunicated for the church b/c of his writings, yet if you read him he is not anti-christian, he just opened up some "food for thought" (last temptation of christ being his more famous work) i know this isnt exactly what tori did, but its not unlike what she does either. i know this could possibly unleash a "pandora's acquarium" of discussion so i am not trying to say that i completely understand Tori and know exactly what her belief system is, but why would someone's belief system being different from hers pose a problem with connecting with her music if you were an open-minded person anyway? ok, i dont want to start super babbling in circles now. i think i said all my major points , i think. hope i havent offended... toodles & kalinichta(g'nite), ellen _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~| The stars around _______ the beautiful moon ((_______)) keep hidden their glittering | | | | radiance, whenever in its | | | | fullness it shines upon | | | | the earth | | | | - -sappho | | _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~| ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #108 *************************************