From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #107 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, April 12 1999 Volume 04 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori on the cover of a WINE mag [Richard Handal ] Re: about neil making tori into a tree.... ["Erika and Alan Lewis" ] Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori [conchita@home.com] CD's [Kristen ] Re: PLEASE!!!!! [Nadyne Mielke ] seeing tori [Cynthia Lawson ] UK tori singles [Abbe J Cohen ] Dew Drop Inn and some other things... [Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Glas] tori ref [Cynthia Lawson ] Re: God [PoetGrrlAC@aol.com] ftp.tal.org [Natalie Waag ] had never heard this... [Cynthia Lawson ] star f#*%er [Katapilla7@aol.com] Tori On TV! [HyJptrCrsh@aol.com] Hidden lyrics in Spark [Gud4AStorm@aol.com] Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori [Holly Rae Bemis ] Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori [Amy ] Re: God ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Weird dream... [Giovanni Fabrizio Mantilla Casas ] Re: God ["Mr Zebra" ] Re: Hidden lyrics in Spark [anastasia snow ] Re: God [Tasha325@aol.com] Re: star f#*%er [PoetGrrlAC@aol.com] Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori ["Hanna Paulus" ] Re: God [Thisbe5716@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:34:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Tori on the cover of a WINE mag Molly said: > I don't think I have seen anyone point this out yet. > > Tori is on the cover of a wine magazine called WINE X. Thanks Molly, but the article has been available on The Dent since January 1. Here's the URL: http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/winex.html Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:46:35 -0400 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Re: about neil making tori into a tree.... Hello I just finished Stardust... Great Book ok, direct from the acknowledgements " Tori lent me a house, and I wrote the first chapter in it, and all she asked in exchange was that I make her a tree." The chapter where she shows up is called "What the Tree said" She helps the guy out and makes some very Toriesqe kinda remarks ("A Nymph. I was a wood-nymph. But I got pursue by a prince, not a nice prince, the other kind, and, well, you'd think a prince, even the wrong kind, would understand about boundaries, wouldn't you? You would? Exactly what I think. But he didn't, so I did a bit of invoking while i was running, and -- ba-boom!-- tree."). Some of this chapter was printed in the Plugged Tour program/book thing. > > Hello everyone! > I'm helping a fellow ewf with her Neil section of her tori page~ and I suggested a few things to her that she could add to her page-- one of which was this story: > (I know I dont have the totally accurate version which is my question: what is the correct version!) > > Neil asked to stay at a place of tori's where he could write some of stardust and she agreed only if he would write her into the story so he made her into a tree... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:32:06 -0700 From: YourPrettyKitty@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Tori on the cover of a WINE mag It was Dated Dec-Jan 99.........There have been 2 new issues after that one, So it might not be that easy to find. I work at a local Books a Million.........And we took out off the stands 2 months ago or. Pretty Kitty - -----Original Message----- From: **Molly Marguerite** To: rdtrn@torithoughts.org ; Precious Things Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:25 PM Subject: Tori on the cover of a WINE mag > >I don't think I have seen anyone point this out yet. > >Tori is on the cover of a wine magazine called WINE X. It's the current >isuue so it is still available at the news stands. The picture I think is >an old one from around 'Boys for Pele' days. In real big letters on the >side of the magazine it says TORI AMOS. Underneth her picture it says " The >Diehard Redhead Diva Tunes into Wine". > >I first learned about this on accident. In The April edition of Glamour Mag >on page.118, there is a little blurb about the mag and the issue thy have >pictures is Tori's. Then they have the website addy which is >http://www.winexwired.com >They archive their past issues and If you LOVE wine then I think you will >like the mag. I loved how they describe the wines and the have great >articles, I guess meant to appeal to Gen Xers whatever > >So in a few weeks or so I guess the Tori one will be available on line, but >until then you can see a picture of it at >http://www.winexwired.com/archives/pivols.htm > > >Thats all >**Molly Marguerite** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:18:27 -0500 From: "precocious you are" Subject: siren mp3 does anyone know where there's a siren mp3 available? (live or not?) anthony :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:16:32 -0700 From: conchita@home.com Subject: Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori I completely understand what you're saying. I am also hesitant to meet Tori because I would not know how to express myself in words. I know that if I tried I would simply make a fool out of myself. I have pondered this many times and have thought that maybe one of my paintings or sculpures could express these feelings much more effeciantly than my words ever could, however up until now this perfect piece of art has not yet been born but I shall keep you posted! ~~*shanti blessed be*~ Erinita@aol.com wrote: > > Hello My Pretties, > Ever thought to yourself what it would be like to meet the Goddess? I'm sure > many of you on this list have had the occasion to do so. And what a wonderful > experience it must have been. People often ask me if I would want to meet > her, or they simply just assume that when I go to a show, I long for a moment > outside by the buses or a chance to get backtage. But, that is so not the > case. I feel that I can never meet her, I don't want to destroy the > Goddess-like picture I have formed of her in my heart & in my mind. Not > necessarily that meeting her would be a disappointment, but why mess with the > perfection that her music has built for me? For some, I am sure it would very > much seem like a crusade, a pilgrimage to meet her, but for me, she is a > place I can never go. Like Tori never wanting to visit Borneo, she can't go > there, it's locked up in her heart, as she is in mine. Besides, I am not sure > that I would be ready for her in this lifetime. I would much rather be the > quiet observer, speaking to her simply wouldn't justify the void her music > has filled in my gut And I say gut, because when the void is not full, it > aches so much as to that of a starving belly. It would all come out wrong, I > would look like a gushing fool, when the poetry I feel inside is because of > her & her music. Anyone understand? I would love to hear your thoughts on > this subject. > Faerie Winged Wonders, > Erin the Goddess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 99 00:27:10 CT From: Kristen Subject: CD's Hi! I just purchased a few tori cd's from the plugged tour from my local CD store. Apparently, a new shipment just came in so if anyone wants something in particular, I may be able to get for you. Reply if you want a list of what is available. The single disc I bought cost $27, and doubles are $47. kristen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:18:28 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: PLEASE!!!!! At 09:29 PM 4/10/99 -0700, Megasus© wrote: >Okay.. I've seen this stuff about tree/branch things.. to get a CD of the >Sessions at West 54th... could somebody please inform me what this is all >about and how I might get involved to get a copy? I live in Washington, >too... so maybe that person could email me as well? :) I'd appreciate >it.. I've seen many mentions of the branches, but no real information >about the whole deal... any info would be appreciated. Thanks! :) I ran a CD tree for Tori's appearance on "Sessions at West 54th". The tree closed over a month ago. I cannot add anyone to the tree at this time. However, there may be some folks around who got the CD who would be willing to make you a copy of it. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:37:08 -0500 From: Cynthia Lawson Subject: seeing tori Hello Erin and all of you precious things, Erin's post about not wanting to see Tori has me thinking about my point of view in this respect. I have been thinking about the possibility, because after 8 years of being a fan, and buying most of her CD's, and never having seen her in concert, if it is true that she'll be touring in the fall, i will definitely get to see her (because I'll be in NY for grad. school.) WOW! And I guess I perfectly understand Erin's post, although I don't agree with "I don't want to destroy the Goddess-like picture I have formed of her in my heart & in my mind." I don't agree with deciding not to meet someone because your perception of that person might change. If it does, then don't you think that maybe your whole perception was never the real one? Don't you rather have your feet on the ground in regard to that person you admire so much? I can compare this a bit with the perception I had with JFK...it was very different, until I took a US in the 1960's course in college...I realized the true person who was behind the handsome image. Dumb example, but I think you'll get my point. Anyhow, I am not judging anyone, and I can understand someone not wanting to meet Tori, because it must be a very nerve-breaking moment. But maybe just think of the reasons... I am totally psyched about the possibility of meeting her...I will definitely have to prepare another Colombian gift for her...what shall it be this time? ;¬) xx C. > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:44:26 EDT > From: Erinita@aol.com > Subject: Why I Won't Meet Tori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:56:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Abbe J Cohen Subject: UK tori singles A question for all the UK people on the list... I'll be in England later this week and I'm wondering a) whether UK singles from LE and UtP are easier to find or cheaper over there than in the US, and b) where you'd recommend looking for them. I'll be in London and Cambridge on a really short trip... Feel free to respond just to me rather than add traffic to the list. Thanks! - --Abbe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 01:20:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Glass) Subject: Dew Drop Inn and some other things... If I can remember 'em...let's see...well, I'll just start with the Dew Drop Inn thing. I've come to believe that the Dew Drop Inn reference is definately referring to the original Dew Drop Inn in New Orleans. Not only does it directly tie in with the "south" theme that she takes at one point on the album and in the CD cover art, but it also has something to do with me being on a train to New Orleans two years ago and having a chat with an elderly black lady traveling back home with her daughter. I actually got curious since it was around the time that BFP came out, and I flat out asked her about it. She said that it was a popular jazz and R&B club of long ago drawing mostly black musicians and customers. She also said it has been closed down for years. So that's what helped me draw my conclusion about it, I hope it helps some. And on a different note, I just wanted to direct any Neil Gaiman fans to this one site that I've been frequenting lately called "Seeing Ear Theatre." It's basically this site where you can access these great radio plays in RealAudio, some classics and some originals. One of them is Neil Gaiman himself reading Chapter 3 from his book "Stardust" and also one of his short stories, which is located a little further back in the archives. These are *really* good and I recommend anyone giving them a try. Here's the link: http://www.scifi.com/set/ I'm sorry if that's a little off topic...but here's something to save my sorry ass.. ;) I sang "Talula" at a Karaoke bar the other night. I swear I'm a masochist because I'd done it before and *swore* I wouldn't do it again...but it was odd because I got a surprisingly good response this time. (One girl even said enthusiasticly "You rock!" when I finished.) And the woman who ran the deal said "I didn't even know we had that!" Has anyone else here sang Tori Karaoke? Believe me, I don't do it that often because sometimes it's an excrutiatingly obnoxious experience, but I'd actually promised my brother I'd meet him there, so.... At this other bar I sang "Caught a Lite Sneeze" and I think it stumped the crowd. The guy who was running it just said "Well that's the first time I've heard *that* one!" as I slunk off the tiny stage. Sometimes you just get a "Baby Got Back" crowd...end of story. Cynthia http://www.angelfire.com/il/glassasylum ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:02:58 -0500 From: Cynthia Lawson Subject: tori ref Hello, I received a "ALL I EVER NEEDED TO KNOW I LEARNED FROM MY GIRL FRIENDS" email...like one of those lists of fun things that go around the internet... anyway, one of the items "I learned from my girl friends" is Alanis and Tori understand. cool, huh? If anyone would like to see the complete list, let me know. xx C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:21:20 EDT From: PoetGrrlAC@aol.com Subject: Re: God In a message dated 4/11/99 10:22:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > I was talking to this girl I know, and as it turned out we both a really big > Tori Amos fans. We talked a little about her and then she made the comment > that I didn't have any right listening to Tori because I am a Christain. this is actually not unusual, this topic comes up every so often in rec.music.tori-amos, that someone was told they shouldn't listen to her or wasn't a "real fan" if they were Christian. some people think if you are a Christian, you can't listen to Tori because of her views on Christianity and God. someone made a comment on this, and i can't remember who, if you know, please tell me, but it was along the lines of; "Tori isn't a religion". just because Tori sings something, says something, or writes something, doesn't mean you have to agree. see what i'm saying? just because she believes it doesn't mean you have to. > Well, yes I am a Christain and I am very devoted to God, but I can still > listen to Tori. She may not be the biggest fan of God, but she is just > expresses her opinions, I don't have to agree with them. Also, just because > I love Tori does not mean that I have to model my life after her. exactly. > I just wanted to post this message, becuase that really made me mad, that > she said that I couldn't listen to Tori just because I am a Christain. that comment really bothers me. it is almost...i'm not quite sure of the word i'm looking for here, prejudiced? maybe. anyway, it's a very narrow view of the music's message. some songs i knew Christians really disagree with, like God, so they just skip that song. no big deal. i do not understand why some people think you need to believe everything Tori says. if someone could explain that, i'd appreciate it. > I would love to her any of you thoughts about this. i personally adore Tori's music with one of the many reasons being her religion views, which are similiar to mine. i didn't adopt her's though. they were my own before i even knew about her, but i was terrified to tell anyone because i thought no one thought the way i did in my circle of people. once i heard her music, it made me realize, this isn't bad. i can share my religious views. i'm not alone in this. and once i did, i realized many of my friends and mates felt the same way, and were also scared of saying anything. her music just made me think, this is okay. as for the girl who made that comment to you, you can be whatever religion you want and listen to whatever type of music. you don't need to necessarily believe everything as gospel. seems like the girl took the line "got enough guilt to start my own religion" too seriously. :) (joke!) peace, manda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~})i({~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amanda Choutka @ poetgrrlac@aol.com http://members.tripod.com/tinkerbellac "is your place in heaven worth giving up these kisses?"-"Cooling", Tori Amos Visit http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Veranda/1035/ to find out about buying a Tori T-shirt to profit RAINN! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~})i({~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:29:06 +0200 From: Natalie Waag Subject: ftp.tal.org Hi! Okay, I hope somebody can help me out with this. I can never seem to get into ftp.tal.org since the guy who owns it had to slow down the connection etc etc. But there´s no point in trying to log on if there aren´t any new bootlegs there, so if anyone could give me a list of bootlegs that exist there I´d be eternally happy. Love Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:01:37 -0500 From: Cynthia Lawson Subject: had never heard this... Hello, My birthday was last Friday, and a cousin made a CD-R for me...a mix of songs she downloaded from the internet. And she included a Tori song I have never heard...it is live, and sounds like maybe it's one of her oldies (oldies being before LE), but can anyone confirm this? The lyrics go something like this... "Summertime... and the ??? the fish are jumping and the cotton's ??? oh, your daddy's rich and your momma's ??? ..." Sorry I can't figure out anything else...I've never been very good at deciphering lyrics, and, at the office, I can't raise the volume any more. The song is very familiar to me, so I think it must be a cover, and because of the lyrics and the music...very blues. anyone have a clue?? thanks. xx C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:15:18 EDT From: Katapilla7@aol.com Subject: star f#*%er so i was listening ot howard stern this morning and they were talking about kathy lee sucking up to famous people and being such a star fucker would that be what tori is meaning by a star fucker some one that sucks up to famous people or something kat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:42:24 EDT From: HyJptrCrsh@aol.com Subject: Tori On TV! Tori was/is on TV, on MTV. It isnt anything that new, but it is about Jesse Camp and he talked about how they met and his knees knocked when thier eyes met. They showed the clip from MTV live when they were singing together. Also that and Kurt said that Tori said "He is a very special being" and Carson Daily said something like "They were in thier own world" so it wasnt anything really new, but it was a sorta cute thing, it totaled 58 seconds (i recorded it) it may re-run, knowing MTV, it is called "Jessie - Young, Loud and Skinny" As an added note, i just bought the Under the Pink Music Book (with the music...) and i wanted to say how happy i was with the drawings and added notes. I hadn't bought it before because i dont know how to play the piano or anything, but are the other music books like that as well? I would buy them as well, but i do have a problem that sometimes in the drawings i cant read tori's writing. i know in most of them they are lyrics but there may be more... I was also surprised that it had over it and all the girls hate her, favorite songs of mine. I dont want to sound ignorant but i never looked at music books that much. Chrissy (who bought the book to learn the beginning of Pretty Good Year) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:12:41 EDT From: Gud4AStorm@aol.com Subject: Hidden lyrics in Spark Hi! I'm new to this mailing list, but won't bore you with all the details right now. I'll just say I'm happy to be here. :-) A friend of mine and I talk about Tori and her music often. Trying to figure out this or that thing. Well, today's discussion/search was "what are those lyrics underneath the main lyrics in Spark?" Particularly of interest is what's going on behind the section "she's convinced she can hold back a glacier....." Any insight you all have would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:43:02 -0600 From: Holly Rae Bemis Subject: Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori Erin, I totally understand! I think its cool that someone else feels that way too. :) Holly Rae At 6:44 PM -0600 4/11/99, Erinita@aol.com wrote: >Hello My Pretties, >Ever thought to yourself what it would be like to meet the Goddess? I'm sure >many of you on this list have had the occasion to do so. And what a wonderful >experience it must have been. People often ask me if I would want to meet >her, or they simply just assume that when I go to a show, I long for a moment >outside by the buses or a chance to get backtage. But, that is so not the >case. I feel that I can never meet her, I don't want to destroy the >Goddess-like picture I have formed of her in my heart & in my mind. Not >necessarily that meeting her would be a disappointment, but why mess with the >perfection that her music has built for me? For some, I am sure it would very >much seem like a crusade, a pilgrimage to meet her, but for me, she is a >place I can never go. Like Tori never wanting to visit Borneo, she can't go >there, it's locked up in her heart, as she is in mine. Besides, I am not sure >that I would be ready for her in this lifetime. I would much rather be the >quiet observer, speaking to her simply wouldn't justify the void her music >has filled in my gut And I say gut, because when the void is not full, it >aches so much as to that of a starving belly. It would all come out wrong, I >would look like a gushing fool, when the poetry I feel inside is because of >her & her music. Anyone understand? I would love to hear your thoughts on >this subject. >Faerie Winged Wonders, >Erin the Goddess ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ O Z M A ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ girl ruler of the marvelous land of OZ @}}---{---{---- ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ HollyRae@over-the-rainbow.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:53:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Amy Subject: Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori i definately know what you are talking about. about 2 years ago, i went to a booksigning for my favorite, most worshiped, loved and admired author, anne rice. i waited in line for hours (like many of you do for meet and greets), and when i finally got up there, i was the gushing, bumbling fool, who forgot everything i wanted to say in those few moments. i couldn't tell her all that i felt, what it meant that i felt that she spoke right to me, all of those things that you feel they absolutely must know. i am afraid i would do the same with tori. i actually fear meeting her for those same reasons that you expressed...i relate... gossamer faerie wings, amy ........................................................... My ruminations were madness perhaps, or might have seemed so to some. But i learnt this. Revenge takes one's mind from the pain. Revenge is a lure, a mighty molten lure, even if it is hopeless. ...Anne Rice, Vittorio ........................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:21:39 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Re: God HEY I have the same "problem"!!! > I was talking to this girl I know, and as it turned out we both a really big Tori Amos >fans. We talked a little about her and then she made the comment that I didn't have >a.ny right listening to Tori because I am a Christain. Well, yes I am a Christain and I am very devoted to God, but I can still listen to Tori. I am a pretty devout Catholic, and I think Tori is fab (obviously). Tori's music is IMPORTANT because it makes us question and reevaluate our beliefs. NO belief is worth having if you do not explore it and understand what it really means. I went through an agnostic phase, an athiest stage, and I still consider myself an existentialist, but after learning so much about what I feel is right, I truly believe that God exists. And tori helped me come to that conclusion. Tori doesnt expect us to think exactly like she does--she just wants us to open our minds. If anyone wants to talk about this more, let me know. And if you flame me, at least be creative about it! ;) The terror couple, Daisy Melanie and Lenny Green daislen@wctc.net "If your mind isn't open, keep your mouth shut too." - --Sue Grafton, M is for Malice "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - --Issac Asimov, Foundation ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:02:17 -0500 (GMT+5) From: Giovanni Fabrizio Mantilla Casas Subject: Weird dream... Hi guys, I just wanted to tell you about this really weird dream I had a few nights ago... you're gonna think I'm a total basket case but don't give up on me just yet! :) I dreamt that I was like browsing through my bookshelf which actually was more like a CD-shelf and for some strange reason I started to find rare Tori CDs... the first thing I saw was like a double CD set of Boys For Pele and Choirgirl... two in one.. it was like a really cool digipack... half with the BFP artwork and half with that of Choirgirl. I was like really amazed and excited about it so I started looking for more stuff and I found: 2 copies of the Pretty Good Year UK Limited Single, and a copy of the Cornflake Girl UK Limited single... still sealed! I was in awe... I'm an extremely obsessed collector and it was like heaven for me... the bad thing is that my dream ended there because my brother woke me up! Now that I think of it... it would be really cool if the BFP/FTCGH double CD existed because it looked reeeeally amazing! To the boy who found the BFP vinyl for 9.99... I can tell you I recently bought my copy from CDNOW and it was 8.99! I do agree on that it is an extremely low price for such a BEAUTIIIIIIFUL item! I'm now hunting for all of Tori vinyl items... 12" and 7"! Wheee... I just need money! Hehe. Take care and please don't think I'm nuts... I look really normal in real life! :) Giovanni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:35:27 EDT From: PoetGrrlAC@aol.com Subject: Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori In a message dated 4/11/99 10:22:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > Ever thought to yourself what it would be like to meet the Goddess? i've thought about this many times, just a daydream. sometimes i'm lucky enough to have a real dream about this. i went to the bethlehem show last november, and before they changed the day from the 24 to 23, i had planned to go to the meet and greet. i was so excited! i had it all planned out, get there that morning before 9, like you should to be in the front row, and she would come around 4 something, i'd get my Little Earthquakes CD signed, hand her my letter, and request "mother". i'd thank her for her music, the courage it gave me, the feeling i'm not alone, the strength it gave me to stand up for myself and be me. i'd give her a hug, and she say she'd play mother for me. i've had dreams about it. the day was changed though, to the 23, a day i had school, so i missed the meet and greet. i was so upset, i cried! lol! but i realized, someday, at a meet and greet, i might be able to meet her. or even at the after show meet and greet that night. (by the time we got out there, the line was horrendous!) >I'm sure many of you on this list have had the occasion to do so. And what a > wonderful experience it must have been. People often ask me if I would want to meet > her, or they simply just assume that when I go to a show, I long for a > moment outside by the buses or a chance to get backtage. But, that is so not the > case. I feel that I can never meet her, I don't want to destroy the > Goddess-like picture I have formed of her in my heart & in my mind. Not > necessarily that meeting her would be a disappointment, but why mess with > the perfection that her music has built for me? For some, I am sure it would > very much seem like a crusade, a pilgrimage to meet her, but for me, she is a > place I can never go. Like Tori never wanting to visit Borneo, she can't go > there, it's locked up in her heart, as she is in mine. Besides, I am not > sure that I would be ready for her in this lifetime. I would much rather be the > quiet observer, speaking to her simply wouldn't justify the void her music > has filled in my gut And I say gut, because when the void is not full, it > aches so much as to that of a starving belly. It would all come out wrong, I > would look like a gushing fool, when the poetry I feel inside is because of > her & her music. Anyone understand? I would love to hear your thoughts on > this subject. i can see where you are coming from. let me tell my thoughts when i went to the show. that morning, i woke up, and was so excited, on cloud nine. i was finally gonna see the siren live! maybe even meet her at the after show meet and greet! we pulled into the parking lot that night, and saw her bus, and it became real, not just this fantasy, but like, wow, she was in that bus! oh my god! this is so weird! she came out on stage that night, and i was like, oh. my. god. she's right up there. this woman whose music has totally affected me! i know her lyrics by heart, i have her cds, interviews, posters. it was overwhelming. it was like finally connecting someone's actual personage with everything. i can still see in my mind her coming out, walking to the head of the stage, and doing that cute little wave, and remember i was thinking, she's there! ah! she's there! oh my lord! it's one thing to know about her through her music and interviews, know what she looks like through pictures, but in person? it's making it all come true. that show was amazing, every little while i'd think, she is less than 300 feet from me. wow! and it made me realize, she's not this big rock star. she's human. she's real. people say until you meet someone like her, they're like a fantasy. they're perfect, wonderful, everything. i think what you're saying is, you don't want to lose that perfect unattainable image. which is okay. you want to keep her on a pedestal? i liked seeing her live, it made her seem like a friend, someone i could relate to. she's just a person who sings to us. she's not any different. :) i'm sorry if i misinterpretted anything you meant. peace, manda (who is slowly delurking from a break of a few months from p-t) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~})i({~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amanda Choutka @ poetgrrlac@aol.com http://members.tripod.com/tinkerbellac "is your place in heaven worth giving up these kisses?"-"Cooling", Tori Amos Visit http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Veranda/1035/ to find out about buying a Tori T-shirt to profit RAINN! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~})i({~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:22:03 EDT From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: had never heard this... The song you got is called "Summertime", and it's a cover. The original song was written by George Gershwin and is in the musical "Porgy & Bess", and Janis Joplin did a remake of it during the late 1960's. Hope this helps! Amy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:43:24 EDT From: Heather980@aol.com Subject: Spark Lyrics I would also really like to know what the background lyrics are for Spark, so please, if anyone finds out, drop me a line or two! LuvNStuff. Heather in Tulsa, OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:21:40 EDT From: KNHoppe@aol.com Subject: Re: siren mp3 In a message dated 4/12/99 4:13:14 PM, mb083176@gte.net writes: << does anyone know where there's a siren mp3 available? (live or not?) anthony :) >> http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/7904/sounds.html Try here!! :) - -Noelle- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:08:56 -0500 From: the glitter girl Subject: re: why i won't meet tori conchita@home.com wrote: > I completely understand what you're saying. I am also hesitant to meet > Tori because I would not know how to express myself in words. I know when i met tori in austin on the plugged tour, i was for the first time in my life literally speechless, as in there was no way words could come out of my mouth. i just stood there and cried, and she hugged me, and it was incredible. i sort of wish i could have spoken, but whatever i would've said she's probably heard a thousand times before, so i guess it's prolly better this way anyway. have a nice day, bessie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:41:44 -0500 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: God Hey hey :-) Me too... just thought I'd support you in your toriphilia. I'm a Christian too and absolutely adore Tori and everything she does. Yes, I will always have "issues" with some stuff, but you gotta take the good with the bad. :-) Matthew You say you want to change our minds... I paid for your belief with mine. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:14:41 -0500 From: anastasia snow Subject: Re: Hidden lyrics in Spark >A friend of mine and I talk about Tori and her music often. Trying to figure >out this or that thing. Well, today's discussion/search was "what are those >lyrics underneath the main lyrics in Spark?" Particularly of interest is >what's going on behind the section "she's convinced she can hold back a >glacier....." Any insight you all have would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. > 'swing low, sweet chariot,' the slave song. ana http://www.milligram.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:50:33 EDT From: Tasha325@aol.com Subject: Re: God I am a christian and have found that tori helps me to relieve some frustration that i at times feel with other christians and even with god. in my peach party dress i wanna smash the faces of those beautiful boys, tasha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:25:21 EDT From: PoetGrrlAC@aol.com Subject: Re: star f#*%er In a message dated 4/12/99 4:13:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Katapilla7@aol.com writes: > so i was listening ot howard stern this morning and they were talking about > kathy lee sucking up to famous people and being such a star fucker would > that > be what tori is meaning by a star fucker some one that sucks up to famous > people or something heh, i always thought starfucker was the equivalent of a degratory name for a guy, like asshole, son of a bitch, those are putdowns for guys. i have started my friends on using starfucker as the same. so who knows. i doubt Howard Stern is Toriphile, he made a comment like she was "cheerful" or something, because of MAAG, and he was being sarcastic. of course, she came up with a perfectly delicious comeback. peace, manda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~})i({~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amanda Choutka @ poetgrrlac@aol.com http://members.tripod.com/tinkerbellac "is your place in heaven worth giving up these kisses?"-"Cooling", Tori Amos Visit http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Veranda/1035/ to find out about buying a Tori T-shirt to profit RAINN! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~})i({~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:40:31 CDT From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Re: Why I Won't Meet Tori See, I know exactly how you felt, I mean literally, when I saw her step out from the curtain onto the stage my heart grew heavy in my chest and I couldn't believe she was there because I knew she was real, but she was in the same room as me and she was sharing something so personal, and so intimate, it was unbelievable, really. But she is a real person, not just a rockstar as was said later in the message, but at the same time that we realize this, I know I do, I put her on this quaint little pedestal because I can connect with her and she provides so much for me such as inspiration and entertainment, and she understands. And this woman who I adore you know is right in front of me, and sometime you just become speechless and go into a stage of absolute awe because she is everything and yet still nothing you expected...in a good way. I hope that made sense...I'm often rather incoherent. Bye. *hugs* Hanna ********************************************************************** Hanna Paulus "And I know the biggest crime h1500@hotmail.com is just to throw up your ICQ:14630297 hands--say this has nothing to do with me, I just want to live "A restaurant that as comfortably as I can"--Ani D never has to close-- Breakfast every hour, it could save the World..."--TA ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:50:57 EDT From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: God I just had to respond to this post. I am not a devout Christian, and I think we can all agree that Tori is not devout either, but why shouldn't people with strong religious beliefs listen to Tori's music? If anything, the answers to the questions she asks could make their belief in their faith stronger! Besides, Tori has said that there are some good things in the Christian faith. In the Rolling Stone issue from June, she says, "Jesus had wonderful things to say, but Christianity is dickless." Religion is what you get out of it. If you can get something out of Christianity that makes you a better, happier person, go for it! If you can get something out of music, whether it's Tori's music or not, listen to it! If you decide that you cannot listen to Tori and still maintain your beliefs, that is your perogative. Just don't let anyone else make the decision for you. Just in case any of you don't think that people stop listening to music because someone in the church tells them to, let me share a quick story. I work in a used record store. One day, about six months ago, this girl comes into the store with her husband and two grocery bags full of CDs that she wanted to sell to the store. I started pulled out stacks of Tori CDs... import singles, bootlegs, you name it, she had it. I was speechless (and pennyless at the end of the day!). I asked her why she was selling her collection, and she told me she had been "born again" and that she wasn't allowed to listen to any secular music anymore. She looked like she wanted to cry. When I told her that I would be buying most of what she had brought in, she looked relieved, like someone she trusted had just told her they would look after her child while she was away. She even brought a bunch of books and videos in for me later in the week and gave them to me for free! Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to tell you all that this does happen. Be true to yourselves! To hell with everyone else!! Amy ** years go by will I still be waiting for somebody else to understand... ** ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #107 *************************************