From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #91 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, March 29 1999 Volume 04 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori Links [Freque79@aol.com] Re: In The Springtime of His Voodoo [MoneekaEWF@aol.com] Re: LE called "Landmark Album" ["Mr Zebra" ] ~*~Tori Thoughts~*~and~*~CD Requests~*~ [RedSpark18@aol.com] Re: liquid diamond interp and ?'s [ToriGalore@aol.com] Title idea and LD Interp [Heather980@aol.com] 99 tour. [Talulagrl1@aol.com] Liquid Diamonds ["John Sherrell" ] Get in with a bubble gum trade... ["Paul Wren" ] Re: 99 tour. [plugged99@webtv.net (Rob F.)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:36:58 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Links Well.. There's the Dent of course (http://tori.by.net) and www.tori.com and Really Deep Thoughts Fanzine (www.toriamos.org). And if you want to check mine out (http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/) you can add it if you want, and there's also a list of cool links on there that you can check out. :] Good luck. Sign the guestbook if you do take a look at it. Mairie Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:25:17 EST From: MoneekaEWF@aol.com Subject: Re: In The Springtime of His Voodoo In a message dated 3/27/1999 1:49:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, nadyne@rmta.org writes: << (For those who don't know, BfP was re-released in the UK. They removed ItSoHV and replaced it with one of the remixes of PW. >> this is really, really sad. for anyone that doesn't have a BFP with "In the Springtime of His Voodoo" on it, you have to get one because it is one of THE best songs ever. if there's one song that i'd die to see live...it would be ITSOHV! mon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:16:49 -0600 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: LE called "Landmark Album" >yes sarah was first and she may have unlocked the door but tori unhinged the >door and threw it wide open......sarah did come first but tori paved that >way.... Once again, I must defend Sarah and the other Fumblers on this list... Sarah and Tori are on two TOTALLY different roads so no one paved anyone else's road. Why can't we just take an artist's success at face value and not try to give someone else the credit for their success? I will leave it at that. Matthew This mortal soil around me...mortal feeling I have have found... Surrounded by your glory...hold me now so that I never drown... ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:32:19 EST From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: ~*~Tori Thoughts~*~and~*~CD Requests~*~ Hi everyone! The other day we had a variety show at my college. I attempted to sing Tori's "Winter." My friend played the piano and we were a big hit! I got so into the song I practically fainted. Everyone said they'd never heard lots of Tori before and admittingly said that all they'd heard was SATY because that's the only Tori they play on the radio around here... Three people even said they went and bought Little Earthquakes after hearing the song... Can I say a new group of Toriphiles??! How exciting!!! Go me.. holy conversion batman! On a serious note, does anyone have any used Tori cds they are selling for cheap? Someone stole my Under the Pink and Boys for Pele while I was on vacation. (I don't say I blame them!! :p) I can't live without them though! Please contact me if you have doubles or used ones they want to sell. Thanks so much! ~~*~Torihugs and Faeriekisses~*~ RED ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "...cut out the flute from the throat of the loon... at least when I cry now he can't even hear... " ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9831 (still under construction but check it out anyway.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:58:29 EST From: ToriGalore@aol.com Subject: Re: liquid diamond interp and ?'s Hello all! I know this is going to sound very average (gasp! sigh! ^_~), but I believe this song is about the emotional turmoil one goes through during and after a rape, and the long-term effects it can have on someone. I'm writing this at, yes, about 1 in the morning, so don't expect much. I'll give it my best. And the lyrics may be off by a word or two, don't be anal, I don't have the CD near me at this moment. Thanks. ^_^ "Surrender, then start your engines you'll know quite soon what my mistake was" In this part, I believe the speaker is coaching someone else along, maybe herself in the past, going over old mistakes. Once you get over the "it didn't happen, I was just dreaming" phase, all the emotion really sets in, and it can really damage someone. But, as the speaker is saying, they'll know how much soon enough. "for those on horseback or dogsled you turn on at the bend in the road." You know, I really have no clue what these lines are all about. All I can think is that "horseback" may be referring to the person she was back in, say, "Winter" ("all the white horses...") and "Horses" (quite obvious there), and saying that that person is going away for a little bit. "I hear she still grants forgiveness although I willingly forgot her" Back to the "mistake" the person made in line two. The "she" and "her" in these lines is referring to the speaker herself... she knows she can forgive what she's done to herself and to others because of this, but she's not quite ready to let go yet. "the offering is molasses and you say... 'I guess I'm an underwater thing so I guess I can't take it personally'" Molasses - see Northern Lad. She's being offered love by someone, and the person will even take it slow with her (molasses = slow, as you know), but she's pushing them away. The "underwater thing" means to me, well, think about it. If you were a woman, and you were raped, would men be exactly number one on your list of great things in life? No, they'd be like the scum on the bottom of the pond, the underwater things. This also could mean that she's been repressed, and that men is one of her big problems, so Tori is using a colourful way of saying it. But he can't take it personally, because it's not his fault. "'I guess I'm an underwater thing I'm liquid running.'" Okay, I'm gonna take a long shot here... there are ocean currents, correct? And they erode the floor and carry lots of rocks and seaweed and all that with them, all those underwater things. What I guess he's saying here is that she's putting all the crap men have done all on his shoulders. He's being almost comidical with the line, very sarcastic. "'There's a sea secret in me it's plain to see, it is rising'" But there's something different about this guy. He's not out to hurt her. He's one of, to her, the few and elite... the guys-not-out-to-get-her. And he knows she's beginning to see that, because she's considering his offer of love ("The offering is molasses...") and not totally drowning him. "'but I must be flowing liquid diamonds.'" Another long-shot here... diamonds are the hardest mineral, no? So maybe he's absolutely perfect for her, but whenever she tries to touch him, to let herself touch him, she gets cut by the memories of all that other gunk in the liquid. Or, playing with that idea for a while, maybe the water looks clear and ready to jump into, but she's always afraid of being cut by the diamonds inside. (If that made ANY sense, please tell me.) "Calling for my soul at the corners of the world I know she's playing poker with the rest of the stragglers" She's trying to find where all her sympathy and love has gone, but, as we all know, the world is round, not flat, and therefore has no "corners". All she knows is that her soul is off "playing poker", a game of chance, where you can win it all, or lose it all, with the rest of her that's hanging on to yesterday's pain. "And if your friends don't come back to you and you know this is madness" She's losing everything over this pain, and she knows that it's insane that she is. "a lilac mess in your prom dress" This rape, to her, ruined something that was supposed to be perfect, hers as long as she wanted it, and once it was gone, it was gone. The ability to completely trust and give yourself to someone. Or, on a more literal level, you could read it as a woman menstruating, so she's not pregnant. "and you say... 'I guess I'm an underwater thing so I guess I can't take it personally I guess I'm an underwater thing I'm liquid running. There's a sea secret in me it's plain to see, it is rising but I must be flowing liquid diamonds.'" Read this above. (Now, this is what _I_ hear, so bear with me:) "Liquid diamonds I call, and I crawl inside a shell and I see it's soul and you're doing oh-so-well these days" She's about to admit that he's right in why she's pulling away from him, ("Liquid diamonds, I call"), but she can't. She crawls "inside a shell", an emotional barrier between her and him, and there she finds her soul that she was searching for, and she finally is able to cope with the anger inside of her (realize how BITTER she sounds when she sings the "and you're doing oh-so- well these days" part). "you DO it again and I say it's coming back again something like that" He's gotten her to the point where she almost _IS_ about to let him into her life, again, but then she pulls away, quoting the rape as the reason, but it might not be exactly. "these Saturdays, that she was it honey, bring me those dreams take it back." Long-shot alert: Saturday is the day before Sunday. Sunday is the Holy Day in many religions. She almost got to that rest, that salvation, that comfort from the storm, but she's stuck back, not quite ready, but she wants him to try again. But when he tries, she just pushes him away ("take it back"). "Daddy's down preaching back into himself" Nothing anyone is saying is helping. Her father is talking of God and Jesus and it's all just blank air to her. He's just talking to himself, as is everyone else. "we'll keep it just between us it's liquid..." She won't tell anyone what she's been feeling about herself and the world. She's beginning to trust him. And suddenly the diamonds are gone, and it's just clear, peaceful. Well, there you have it. My lousy interpetation of a song that's too long plagued me. ^_^ Oh, and has anyone but me ever thought that the drums in the beginning of this song sound awfully like the ones in the beginning of "Sinking" by the Cure? Maybe there's a connection there. I dunno, that's too much to think about right now... bye bye, ta ta, see you tomorrow. Love Always, Lissa - ------------------------------------------------- Webpages suck. (Translation: pages coming SOON.) ^_^ - ------------------------------------------------- "Can't forget the things you never said." - Tori Amos "Am I wrong to wish the night won't end? Am I wrong to cry? But I know it's not wrong to sing the last song because FOREVER FADES. Kigatsukeba mata hitori yoru no sora o mitsumeteru sukoshi tzutsukiete yuku OUR MEMORIES..." - X Japan "Stay free my misery." - Matsumoto Hideto (RIP, hide-san) - ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:53:23 EST From: Heather980@aol.com Subject: Title idea and LD Interp Screams in Cathedrals - - I just really like that one And whomever wrote their interp for ld, i think you have a great understanding for that kind of thing, although It doesn't seem like tori to just throw in something because it rhymes (A lilac mess in your prom dress,) heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:38:45 EST From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: 99 tour. i heard on this list, other lists, and through many people that tori is going to be doing random shows throughout the summer. are all my sources hearing things? is this just wishful thinking? or i this a maybe? to the people on this list that said they knew venues where tori was booked over the summer please send me some info.. cause i have ears,feet,money, and a car....ill be there. Blue Skies: a very hopeful, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:41:35 PST From: "John Sherrell" Subject: Liquid Diamonds Hi all.. resident lurker here. All this talk about Liquid Diamonds has got me thinking. Well, I think the lyrics are some of the most vague on the album.. but as far as the title of the song.. Maybe some of you have already had this insight.. but "Liquid Diamonds" is something of an oxymoron. Diamonds are the hardest substance(?) on earth, and for them to become liquid would take an incredible amount of heat. So I think when Tori says she must be liquid diamonds she is saying she has fallen. She went from something incredibly strong to a state of almost nonexistent weakness. She has a "sea secret" and "it's plain to see it is rising" but still, she must be liquid diamonds, a complete failure. The more I think about it the more I think it does have to do with her miscarriage. Just my $0.02, Key-Sea my web world: http://people.tamu.edu/~jcs9979 Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:12:54 +0100 From: "Paul Wren" Subject: Get in with a bubble gum trade... OK, I've decided to take the plunge (*gulp*). I've started an experimental mailing list, through ListBot for the time being, for Tori traders called bubble_gum_trade. I stress the word *experimental*. The list is *moderated* so only trading topics will get posted and I'd like to attract European traders to the list. I'm in the UK and I know there are more of you out there... come on out and show yourselves ) That's not to say that anyone else from the rest of the world is not invited. All comers are welcome but I'd specially like a good proportion of European traders. It all depends on how well the list takes off whether I keep it going or not. So if you're in Europe and you want to join up to a European based trading list then get over to my bootleg collection page at http://www.ljwren.demon.co.uk/paul/BOOTS.html the signup box is a little way down the page. ListBot asks you to join up with a user ID and password to join any of their mailing lists. It's all free. Once you sign up once you can join any other ListBot mailing lists with the same ID and password and manage your subscriptions centrally. If the list is popular enough I may consider funding it properly through ListBot or another mailing list provider. It's up to you. Thanks, Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ View my Tori collection: http://www.ljwren.demon.co.uk/paul/ToriCD2.html e-mail: paul@ljwren.demon.co.uk Homepage: http://www.ljwren.demon.co.uk ICQ: 23734436 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:11:59 -0600 (CST) From: plugged99@webtv.net (Rob F.) Subject: Re: 99 tour. This is odd. Last night I was in a music chat room on Talk City. Just after entering, someone said something about Tori's 99 tour. I asked him what he was talking about, and he said that she is booked in select cities including his home town and that this show in particular was a benefit. He left the room shortly after without answering where he lived, so who knows? -Rob ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #91 ************************************