From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #90 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, March 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: YKTR favorite [Superpulp@aol.com] Re: Matthew's tape name [Pixieqwien@aol.com] Re: YKTR favorite [Brandy Schaefer ] Re: Virjinia strikes back... [Erinita@aol.com] Re: Matthew's tape name [Beth Coulter ] Re: got it ["carmen riojas" ] Fav YKTR song [Beth Coulter ] Re: YKTR favorite [Richard Handal ] Re: liquid diamond interp [Beth Coulter ] Re: liquid diamond interp and ?'s [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Re: let's get creative [Ellen Morris ] Re: Summertime [Heather980@aol.com] Re: YKTR favorite [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Tori Links [RedSpark18@aol.com] Re: Matthew's tape name [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Re: liquid diamond interp and ?'s ["Erika and Alan Lewis" ] Re: LE called "Landmark Album" [Talulagrl1@aol.com] Re: Beanie [Freque79@aol.com] the bombed one here ["spark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:37:36 EST From: Superpulp@aol.com Subject: Re: YKTR favorite hehe... etienne's the best! krrristen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:30:45 EST From: Pixieqwien@aol.com Subject: Re: Matthew's tape name Potato Chips..she contrasted Anchovies to Potato Chips saying that not everyone likes those hairy little things (reffereing to anchovies) :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:51:45 -0700 From: Brandy Schaefer Subject: Re: YKTR favorite I may be in a minority here but I loved the whole album!! My favs are a tie between Fire and Fayth brandy By the way. i am getting desperate for a new copy of the 9-1-98 show at red rocks, my copy is scratched.. I prefer cd and I can do cd trades now http://listen.to/pianos.2b.guitars XXXPandora@aol.com wrote: > > OK I have a question for all of you who have heard Y Kant Tori Read. > Which song do you like the best (even if you hate them all)?? > try to make it something other than Etienne since I tend to think of that as > much much more like the real tori and therefore not comparable to the rest of > YKTR. > My favorite would be Fire on the Side -- it's the only one that I have > listened to more than a few times and the first song that I'll show someone > who wants to hear YKTR -- unless I want them to laugh :) > > kisses, > ~* joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:22:35 EST From: Erinita@aol.com Subject: Re: Virjinia strikes back... In a message dated 3/26/99 10:36:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, ldamico@adinet.com.uy writes: << precious-things@smoe.org >> Who is Virjinia Gluck and what song did she copy from Tori? Faerie Winged Wonders, Erinita ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:30:22 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Matthew's tape name At 02:11 PM 3/26/99 -0500, Cynthia Lawson wrote: >call the tape "Anchovies, not Olives", or whatever it was she was contrasting anchovies with... > It's not everyone likes Anchovies, they are hairy little things. People like Potato Chips. That's not direct and I know someone will give the correct quote. How about "Confessionings of a Choirgirl" (the first, misrepresented title of choirgirl {mtv really fucked up}) as a title? Or "Mermaid in Blue Jeans"? Hey, I know! "The Siren Call of the Red Headed Fairy"! ;) That would be a trip, eh? ;) important RAINN info on my site http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:20:54 PST From: "carmen riojas" Subject: Re: got it Bush! i thought i was the only one who used to listen to them. i learned their songs were heavily influenced by Alan Ginsberg. and, to make this Tori-related, what other poets besides e.e. cummings (love him) was she influenced by. come on everybody, join in. >From: "Mr Zebra" >Reply-To: "Mr Zebra" >To: "Precious Things" >Subject: got it >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:03:58 -0600 > > >Ok, nevermind, Ears, I came up with one. :-) >But thank you all for your suggestions... >*drum*roll* >Raisin Girls!!!! >Since girls are songs....etc.... :-) >*bowing* >Ok, you can stop applauding now...gosh...you like me, you really like me!!!! > >;-) >Matthew > >This mortal soil around me...mortal feeling I have have found... >Surrounded by your glory...hold me now so that I never drown... > >ICQ# 298707 >mrzebra@fumblers.org >http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:35:11 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Fav YKTR song >Joanne (XXXPandora@aol.com) writes: >> Subject: YKTR favorite > >> OK I have a question for all of you who have heard Y Kant Tori Read. >> Which song do you like the best (even if you hate them all)?? >> try to make it something other than Etienne since I tend to think of that as >> much much more like the real tori and therefore not comparable to the rest of >> YKTR. I don't do *best* real well, it's so hard to choose. The first song I fell in love with was "Cool on Your Island" and I forced it on all my friends-"wow, this is good Tori". "Fire on the Side" always rips my heart out. But if I could have only one song off of YKTR, then I would have to choose "On the Boundry". That song has a real "bottom" to it that really resonates within me, not only the words, but the heaviness of the music itself. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 03:36:40 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: YKTR favorite Laura (Epetula@aol.com) said: > I Love floating city.. I think if one song denounced the myth that > YKTR is brainless 'bimbo music' it is this one. I know Tori has referred to her YKTR review in Billboard many times in interviews, and the way she tends to characterize it would easily mislead someone as to what the review actually said about her and the music. I'm going to attach the actual capsule review below so folks can see what they really said. I think it's instructive to see what they really said versus how Tori interpreted it in such a highly personal manner. There may also be a longer full-length review, but I've not gotten off my butt to try to dig it out yet. [Hi, Laura! It's been a while. :-) ] Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. [Credit Zovira for posting this a while ago. --RAH] RECOMMENDED Y KANT TORI READ / Y Kant Tori Read Producer(s): Joe Chiccarelli Atlantic 81845 POP Originally reviewed for week ending 6/11/88 Classically trained pianist pounds the ivories on her pop-rock debut, belting out self-written material with a forceful, appealing voice. Unfortunately, provocative packaging sends the (inaccurate) message that this is just so much more bimbo music. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:20:03 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: liquid diamond interp Thanks to kat for transcribing the lyrics and the guess for the unwritten part. *disclaimer* the following was written after 24 hours of insomnia. read at your own risk. Liquid Diamonds *Surrender then start your engines Give it up, you have to join the race. Give up your quest for independence and begin to do as you are expected. *you'll know quite soon what my mistake was It's going to become obvious why I couldn't stay out of this race (rat race, bio clock race, womens race, whatever sort of personal/professional compitition you have to endure/enjoy). I had something hidden deep inside that interfered with my life, so I just gave up on my dreams. *for those on horseback or dogsled *you turn on at the bend in the road The ones who have it a little easier will make the home stretch, while I on foot will be following, somehow learning more for the slowness of my journey. *i hear she still grants forgiveness *although i willingly forgot her I decided to *deal* with things on my own, I didn't ask the fairies/goddess/god/dungbeetles for help. But even though I denied that higher mind, she still is watching me and ready to accept me back. (adversely, the line could refer to the baby granting forgiveness even though Tori tried to escape the thought of what she had been through. layers, remember, tons of layers). *the offering is molasses I've identified molasses in both this and Northern Lad as a word that denotes comfort, homeiness, a contentment in spirit. This feeling is given up in beginning the race. *and you say *i guess i'm an underwater thing so i guess i can't take it personally *i guess im an underwater thing i'm liquid running Underwater thing: being too deep for the average human to understand you. Being aware of a level of perception that is beyond what the majority is willing to see. So I can't take offence when people don't understand me, when they think I'm way over their head (and call me a space cadet behind my back). But I'm gonna "go with the flow", and continue on my way. *there's a sea secret in me *it's plain to see it is rising I've got this real pain deep inside, a hurt from long ago and it keeps trying to surface, knocking me off my stride. A secret from long ago that refuses to remain on the bottom of the ocean. *but i must be flowing liquid diamonds But I've got this stupid race to deal with, so I'm just gonna flow and try to keep it down, not think about how it hurts. *calling for my soul at the corners of the world *i know shes playing poker with the rest of the stragglers *calling for my soul at the corners of the world *i know shes playing poker with the rest the rest But deep inside, I feel like I'm selling out. My spirit is out at a rave anymore, she doesn't want to watch this insane human comedy that this race is. I can seek my soul out, but she ain't comin to me till she's good and ready. *and if your friends dont come back to you *I hope you know this is madness *a lilac mess in your prom dress I've changed. I've gone from the loner nerd to being in the popularity race and leaving what is really important inside, far away. I must realize that this is so stupid, giving up my spirit, my identity to be someone/thing that I'm not. I gave up trying to be a complete individual (Surrender) and have joined the sheep. I am a mess having lost all that I had held dear. *i go i go inside a shell So I withdraw and repress, because I am ashamed and frightened. *i see it so and your doing oh so well these days But I'm still in the race and *prove* that I'm doing good. *you do it again and i say its coming back again something like that I repress and deny, and when I try to tell you what is going on with me, it comes back around to bite me. *these saturdays such music *can he bring me those chains * keep it back My memories come back with hearing songs and remembering the old days; needing to chain up the memories inside, to not feel it. * daddy's down preachin back into *himself keep it just between us And I remember how long ago, I had to keep it to myself and I'm still doing it. I'm running the race and not fulfilling my destiny. I could be glorious, like liquid diamonds. *And he says *I guess I'm an Underwater Thing...etc. But none of it really matters cause I'm just one of those folks who is too deep for their own good. There is such a thing as *too much thinking*, isn't there? *disclaimer--this interpretation bears no reflection on the artists thoughts or thoughts of those on the list. These are my own thoughts, colored by my own experiences--/disclaimer* Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:24:07 EST From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: liquid diamond interp and ?'s Wow! You just put a whole new perspective on "Liquid Diamonds" for me. I agree with most of what you have to say, but there are some things I would like to add. You wrote: >i hear she still grants forgiveness >although i willingly forgot her >the offering is mollasses >>(i dont know about this one) she willingly forgot who she was maybe i do that >i dont want ot remember who i have been in the past but what do you think I think you are on the right track with what you are saying. I think that the "she" in the line "i hear she still grants forgiveness" is the person she was before the rape. She's forgiving herself for what happened to her (there is a lot of self blame involved in a rape), but she's also admitting that she forgot the person she was before she was raped. This goes along with your theory that this song is about sexual rediscovery. As far as "the offering is molasses", the best I can come up with is that this is referring to how long it took to forgive herself for what happened. >*there's a sea of secret in me >*it's plain to see it is rising >*but i must be flowing liquid diamonds >>like it obivious to her that her ocean of secrets is getting bigger and bigger >but she must be moving on (flowing) I agree with everything that you wrote, but I want to add something else. The hardest thing for a rape victim to do is to share their story with someone else. I think that "liquid diamonds" refers to the value of the secret that she is sharing. She's finally able to share her secret, and she wants to emphasize how precious that is. Thank you for your perspective! Amy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: Ellen Morris Subject: Re: let's get creative hi tom & the gang, i kinda already answered this when we were doing our string of songs we'd like to be covered or was it others to cover tori... but i kinda said something like tom here (hi by the way) On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Thomas Mazorlig wrote: > > Cornflake Girl done with a traditional Irish band---pipes, bodhran, etc. > It'd be awewome! It almost has a reel feeling to it, as it is. > i actually wanted cornflake done with folk infussion too, but i wanted more of the middle east/northern afrkian/mediterranean feel; not unlike PAGE/PLANTS "no quarter" or peter gabriel's "passion". of course i think that irish or any folk would be cool; but being of greek decent and loving music i can bellydance i have a preference. maybe a combo; kinda like how bjork used varying instruments of different cultures together in her unplugged (indonesian gamelan & middle eastern tablas, etc.) so far, tori hasnt musically let me down a bit, but if i would want her to expand more, i would love her to continue in broadening her musical influences on her sound and the whole rhythm thing. so far her music has been very i think mainly american influenced when there is a whole world of musical sounds out there. dont get me wrong i am not putting it down by any means, b/c tori is at the head of my musical god/dess pantheon (along with bjork). i just am really into ethnomusicology... :) i hope i i said that well enough. hmm...i would also love to hear revamped YKTR tunes. part of me looks at choirgirl as what she was originally musically trying to do with that album before it got so out of her hands...i dont know...what do you all think??? i am tired :) toodles, ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:41:13 EST From: Heather980@aol.com Subject: Re: Summertime To whom ever was interested in a song title, how about "Screaming in Cathedrals"? just a suggestion Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:52:02 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: YKTR favorite I really truly adore On the Boundary. The lyrics are rather simple, but the music has such a good feeling to it. I also love having spazz attacks to Heart Attack at 23 and The Big Picture. ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:54:40 EST From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: Tori Links I know this might be a pain for everyone but my computer crashed and I lost my fav. tori links.. could anyone send me some links that are tori-related that I might like to build my favs. again?! Thanks.... ~*~Torihugs and Faeriekisses~*~ RED ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:50:44 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: Matthew's tape name In a message dated 99-03-27 01:09:56 EST, lawson@colomsat.net.co writes: << call the tape "Anchovies, not Olives", or whatever it was she was contrasting anchovies with... can't remember the quote.. >> Heee !!! this was from the Rolling Stone issue where she was on the cover with the dragonflies. It is "Anchovies, not Potato CHips" ;) *go tori* ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:56:40 -0500 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Re: liquid diamond interp and ?'s > this song has really intrigued me lately and this is what i have on it so far > i am sure some of it must have been said before but i dont know please add to > this your idea i want to hear what everyone thinks about the meaning of this > song. other than liquid diamonds could be when a girl creams her pants well if > you do have this theory then tell me why so i can see it ok, I sent the following interpretation of Liquid Diamonds about a month ago, and I got kinda bummed because no one responded to it. I wasn't gonna ad my 0.02$ again, but I'd like to see if maybe this time anyone has anything to say about my thoughts. do you love em?? hate em?? did I go too far?? I just kinda took the myth thing and ran with it because from what I've heard Tori say in interviews, mythology has a big effect on her stuff. anywho... here goes one last time... ***its long*** I've been tossing around thoughts about Liquid Diamonds in my head. It all started when I saw an interview with Joseph Campbell in my Myth class. In passing he mentioned that water was symbolic of the unconscious mind, and the "monsters" found in water represent the "monsters" we fight in our sub-conscious as the myths work through our lives. Anyway, I think Liquid Diamonds is about the subconscious/unconscious... so here goes nothing... *...surrender then start your engines, you'll know quite soon what my mistake was, for those on horseback or dog sled you turn on at the bend in the road...* first we begin with the conscious person. she surrenders herself to begin her voyage into her mind. Perhaps she's trying to figure out why she has done something a certain way and it ended up being the wrong way, and no matter what vehicle you chose to take you on your voyage into yourself, you still have to follow the road around, in this case the road into her inner self. **NOTE** when I say "she" I do not mean Tori... *...I hear she still grants forgiveness although I willingly forget her, the offering is molasses...* She knows her unconscious is willing to forgive her, but she forgot she was there. she has pushed her (the unconscious her) back so far that she's really had to search to finally realize that she can be forgiven. The molasses, well whenever here molasses I think of what I remember some southern people saying, your as slow as molasses, cus its so thick it takes forever to pour, so the offering (the offering being the willingness to find her unconscious) is slow like molasses. *...and you say, I guess I'm an underwater thing, so I guess I can't take it personally, I guess I'm an underwater thing, I'm liquid running, there's a sea secret in me its plain to see that it is rising, but I must be flowing liquid diamonds...* ok, this is where the song switches and the unconscious begins telling her story. She's an underwater thing, so she cant take it personally. She's the deep hidden secret we all keep inside, she can't be offended or hurt because its just simply her nature to be hidden. The liquid subconscious that runs through us, but here the woman is allowing hers to rise, allowing her 'sea secret' to rise to the surface, and on the surface when light hits the liquid it makes those sparkling diamonds scattered all over the surface. The subconscious rising makes liquid diamonds on the surface, allowing the woman to heal. *...calling for my soul, at the corners of the world, I know she's playing poker with the rest of the stragglers, calling for my soul at the corners of the world I she's playing poker and if your friends don't come to you and you know this is madness a lilac mess in your prom dress and you say, I guess I'm an underwater thing...* here we go back to the first woman. she's calling for herself at the corners of the world because the subconscious is an ocean and the ocean reaches to far off places, it shows how distant her subconscious mind really is. She (the unconscious) is off somewhere playing poker with all the other unconscious minds in the deep oceans. I think the idea of the friends not coming back and the madness is like, if you go too deep into your mind you won't be able to come back, and your friends will no longer know you, and you'll realize its madness to go too far... as far as the lilac mess in the prom dress, I seriously think that's in the song just for sound, the words just fit there and flow. also I think that maybe the madness line represents what happens when the two sides don't reconcile, the unconscious takes over and madness ensues. then at the end you get the unconscious mind speaking again. If she lets her rise she'll see the liquid diamonds flowing on the surface and perhaps the two parts will merge and forgiveness will be granted. ok... well I hope that makes sense and if you've made it this far, Thanks For Reading :) I hope you enjoyed my musings/bablings. Be Well Erika - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "so then love walked up to like, and said I know that you don't like me much let's go for a ride " "some things only she knows" -- Tori Amos -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:23:31 -0600 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: Fav YKTR song Am I the only person who has never heard YKTR? I've been finding a couple of MP3s, but they never work... Where can I hear some of these songs? Matthew This mortal soil around me...mortal feeling I have have found... Surrounded by your glory...hold me now so that I never drown... ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:14:05 EST From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: Re: LE called "Landmark Album" In a message dated 3/27/99 12:35:55 AM Central Standard Time, elsewhere28@earthlink.net writes: << I felt it was necessary to point out that Sarah came before Tori. >> yes sarah was first and she may have unlocked the door but tori unhinged the door and threw it wide open......sarah did come first but tori paved that way.... blue skies rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:06:27 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: Beanie In a message dated 3/27/99 1:02:02 AM Central Standard Time, irisnicole@pacificnet.net writes: > iS BEANIE A REAL person Yes she is. It's actually spelled Beenie. Her real name is Nancy Shanks and she is Tori's best friend. Her picture is in the wedding section of the Plugged 98 tour album. She's got dark curly brown hair. That's about all I know about her. Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:54:46 +0200 From: "spark" Subject: the bombed one here i'm sorry to interupt your little lives ,but this is impotant. i cannot seem to send (and resend) my replies to a girl called lisa loux. if anyone knows her,please let her know. sorry to be off topic,but being bombed and having some heavy shit going on here,i need this to come through on the list and to her thanks in advance the casualty of nato attacks and milosevic's insanity also known as Spark from belgrade ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #90 ************************************