From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #88 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, March 26 1999 Volume 04 : Number 088 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MisQuote [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: Sister Janet [Erinita@aol.com] Re: Lissa's beautiful post on BFP/thoughts [gazelle_sunday@unforgettable.] Re: MP3 [Kaj-Michael Lang ] Over it [PeleBlow17@aol.com] Summertime ["C. F." ] Re: Words, Bose, and Silence [Megan ] Hi... I'm back [Giovanni Fabrizio Mantilla Casas ] Re: Tori and Peter Gabriel [Michael Heiker ] Video+Book? [Mac456789@aol.com] Re: tori and boys [shoes ] Re: Mother [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Re: Favorite albums and B-sides... [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: ftcH thoughts [XXXPandora@aol.com] YKTR favorite [XXXPandora@aol.com] name for tape ["Matthew DesOrmeaux" ] In The Springtime of His Voodoo ["Fiona Mcmillan" ] Re: our tori belle grows up ["Cor.ab.ella, the mookie faerie sushi raspbe] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 01:06:57 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: MisQuote In a message dated 3/24/1999 7:33:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, weasle@hmcmillan.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Oh yeah, I meant to ask. Where can you find the original In The Springtime of His Voodoo? >> umm, on boys for pele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:00:20 EST From: Erinita@aol.com Subject: Re: Sister Janet Who is this Marianne person that Tori sings about, anyway? Faerie Winged Winders, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:59:12 -0500 (EST) From: gazelle_sunday@unforgettable.com Subject: Re: Lissa's beautiful post on BFP/thoughts Same here! :-) ---- you wrote: > > I second that..please, if anyone could send it to me, I'd love to read it as > well :) > > > >ah! i must have deleted that post written by lissa...but if anyone has it, > i > >would really love it if they could send it to me...BfP is my favorite album > >and i would love to get something new out of it. > >thanx > >love > >rachel > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:00:48 +0200 (EET) From: Kaj-Michael Lang Subject: Re: MP3 On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 gazelle_sunday@unforgettable.com wrote: > > I know this topic has come up a million times before, but I'm looking > for Tori MP3s. I've searched dozens of sites with no avail, but I figure > you must be getting these from somewhere, so if you know of any place, > please let me know. Thank you! http://www.tal.org/tori/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:43:57 EST From: PeleBlow17@aol.com Subject: Over it ~~~ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu (Amy M Belden) wrote:~~ >From the first moment I heard it, I became entranced by >it. I think that is one of the most powerful and moving songs ever >writen by Tori. I practically start crying to this day, every time I hear >it. I cannot honestly say what why it affects me so, but somehow it seems >to be descriptive of all my feelings which I cannot put to words. That is >why it works: I can't physically use words to describe some of my >thoughts or feelings, and "Over It" does the same through the piano. >Furthermore, the piece is simply ingenious, musically speaking. I absolutely agree. I love to just put the song on repeat and take it in. It is definitely emotionally moving for me. I think you described it very well. :) just having thoughts, Charissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:08:09 EST From: "C. F." Subject: Summertime I'm sure that someone has mentioned this before, but I don't remember seeing it, so here goes. Has anyone else noticed that in the Janis Joplin song "Summertime" she says "you'll take to the sky". Does anyone know if this is where Tori got the inspiration for the song "Take To The Sky"? It's one of my favorite b-sides and I'd like to know the story behind it. The version that she did on Sessions is amazing....not surprisingly. :-) Take care everyone!! Cheerios! Carly The New and Improved Tori Amos - Perfectly Windy Sky http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/delta/7904/torimain.html Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:42:56 -0500 From: Megan Subject: Re: Words, Bose, and Silence Wow... Yeah, what you said was so right. Tori even said it herself in an interview from Keyboard in November 1994.... (For reference freaks, it's called "Tori Amos: Dancing with the Vampire and The Nightingale," by Robert L. Doerschuk, pages 34-39, 92-95 and it can be found at http://stuff.to/tori/tales/Keyboard.1194.html) I remembered reading this article a few years ago when I was first getting into Tori and as a musician myself took to heart what she said about breath: "Some people see a song as the beginning of the tune to the end of the tune, with a peak or a climax. Everything kind of builds to that, and then it either stays and takes you out that way or you bring it back down again for contrast. But when I'm playing a song, the measure becomes this. [Amos spreads her hands wide apart.] Instead of this area being the song, the measure becomes this. Within the measure, where is our breath? The most important thing to me as a songwriter is the breath. The most important thing I could ever say to somebody is, "Sometimes I just breathe you in." From where I come as a writer, breathing is sacred. The breath within the measure is sacred. If you don't know how to use breath, then you're not using the most important notes. The great writers really understood that." Interesting how she ended up using the line "sometimes I breathe you in" in Hey Jupiter, isn't it? And this article is from '94... I've noticed that a lot, though. I'll look back at old articles and see her using words or phrases that she later uses in songs. Kinda neat. :) - -Megan http://members.aol.com/AstroKitty/Tori.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:41:49 -0500 (GMT+5) From: Giovanni Fabrizio Mantilla Casas Subject: Hi... I'm back Hi all, I've been off the list for about 4 months now because I moved out of my parents' house for college (I'm now living in Bogotá) and I don't have internet where I'm living now. But now I have this account at college and thought I should join all the lists again. It was actually the idea of Cynthia Lawson (who is also on this list... hi Cynthia! *wave*) whom I met up with last week for the first time! I'm glad to be back! Take care, Giovanni gi-manti@uniandes.edu.co ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:02:21 PST From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: The Tori of Evolution Because I'm a dolt, and didn't save the message, I don't remember who was talking about "gaps" between Tori's albums...anyways, this is sorda in reference to that. I've always viewed Little Earthquakes (Earth) as the inhalation -- the slow, gradual gathering of power, of strength, or to quote a Belly song, "unholy and dirty words I gather to me, thinking the point was keep what's mine for me." It's the girl slowly standing in the corner -- glaring holes through your head. Under the Pink (Air) is the exhalation -- the momentum, the hiking up the skirt a little more, baring some thigh. It's the girl who's willing to scribble a nasty comment in her notebook margin, and then give you a sly smile...but underneath it all, she's still crossing her legs. Boys For Pele (Fire) is the heavy breathing, the drawing up from the soul, scratching the nails down the chalkboard of life. She's the girl who spreads her legs open and dares you to look her in the face afterwards. Her smile is brittle and not a little sad. And From the Choirgirl Hotel (Water) is not even having to breathe anymore, because there's a peace there for this girl, despite all of the conflicting emotions. She's comfortable in her skin, and willing to play every role, in every way. She's underwater, she's in the air, she's fire and she's the earth you trod on. Anyways, it's a full circle. Really, the only place left for Tori to go is to Spirit. Sure, there's healing left, and pain that can never be washed away, but she's "beading the necklace", as she said on 20/20. I don't think it's necessarily a matter of Tori's outward image, but the "feel" of the album that represents her life at that point in time. The thing I love about Tori is that hers is a rebellion of the subversive, which is why a lot of people don't like her. They think she's being too subtle in some areas, too "shocking" in others, when really, they have it all completely backwards. People can say, "So you can make me cum, that doesn't make you Jesus" is the shocking line, but really her power lies in "And I hate -- and I hate -- and I hate disintegration..." Just a thought. Heather ===================================== "He sleeps under stairs, along with the heirs of nothing, and nothing means no one who cares..." - -- Stay (Belly) Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:26:56 +0100 From: Michael Heiker Subject: Re: Tori and Peter Gabriel Hi there ! Tori and Peter only worked together for the Song "Partyman" on the "Virtousity"-Soundtrack. It´s an excellent song that´s co-written by Tori, Peter and George Acogny. If someone wants to hear it I have the mp3 of it on my server: ftp://sites.inka.de/W1676/ Torifully yours Michael Heiker "This is cooling faster then I can.." http://come.to/Passion o r http://www.Passions-World.de German Tori Amos - Tourbook and more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:34:23 EST From: Mac456789@aol.com Subject: Video+Book? Gosh, I know this has been dealt with before, but I forgot to save the information. I'm interested in buying the video compilation that comes with the book thingie, or whatever it is that with the video. Could somebody tell me where I could find this? thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:15:59 -0500 (EST) From: shoes Subject: Re: tori and boys hi all... i just have a random question about tori and her boy - friends that i'd love any info on... does anyone know the type and extent of tori's relationship with trent reznor and/or kurt cobain?? i've heard rumors that tori and trent, does anyone know anything specific? also.. were tori and kurt friends? i know tori really appreicated his music, but was there anything further than that? anything anyone knows would be appreciated! :) love, chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:48:07 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: Mother hey all, So yeah mother is absolutely one of the best tori songs ever, and I think one of my favorite interps of it ever was made by david, who runs/owns the site Elsewhere << www.members.aol.com/brandnew2u/transportation.html >> That site is most infintely known as of late for it's "A Dent in Tori's Ass", which is a hysterical look at tori as she changed the look from her beginning to where she is now. But before all that, it was a beautiful look at tori's albums and certain songs that struck him from each album. And, lucky for us, Mother was one of them. I don't have exactly word-for-word his interp, but I remeber parts of it because I just sooo totally agreed with it, and it struck me as exactly the way I felt. ANyways, basically, mother is tori saying "I am from you, but not of you. You gave life to me, but my life walks outside of the boundaries where yours never went or can go. But I'm still yours, so if I get lost exploring, leave a light on...just in case" ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:50:28 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite albums and B-sides... In a message dated 3/22/1999 11:30:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, guildy@worldnet.att.net writes: << Tori has mentioned many times about how her favs end up getting "kicked off at the last minute." What I was wondering is, why? As far as I know all the albums have lots of room left for more material, so why aren't some of the b-sides album tracks? >> They do have room for more material -- but the artist only gets paid for 10 songs on any album so putting alot more songs on a CD would actually cause her to lose money. So therefore putting these songs on singles or a b-sides compilation is the way to go. kisses, ~* joanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:47:38 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: ftcH thoughts In a message dated 3/22/1999 11:31:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, megasus@geocities.com writes: << But when you look back through stuff she's done in the past, it makes you wonder.... 'What is the true Tori?' ... you know? >> Tori is a stylish girl and her changing looks reflect trends and her maturation. Think about it - we have seen Tori go from a heavy metal 80's chick in her early twenties to a beautiful, sophisticated woman in her thirties who wears designer and couture dresses and glitter on her eyes. If you have really payed attention to Tori's style (which I have, being in the fashion business) you will see that she has not changed her style -- after all she has had the same stylist since LE -- just evolved and learned what looks best on her. You have to admit she has come a long way if you compare her bathing suit t-shirts on the LE tour to that gorgeous dress in Raspberry Swirl or the cover of the Jackie's Strength remix single. And although I loved her hair flaming red -- it does look better darker with her skin tone and I'm postive that her hair is in better condition because of it. The only time I think Tori was misguided as to her style was in the 80's - she was much much too skinny, her hair was overprocessed and she just generally looked bad -- my boyfriend actually met her during this time (thats another story that I'll gladly share if you would like) and told me that she really was nothing special (looking) but then was amazed at how pretty (he doesn't think she is BEAUTIFUL like I do) she looks now when we saw her during the plugged tour. But she was an exceptionally beautiful child! oh well, I've lost my train of thought so I'll talk to you all later :) Actually I have an interpretation of mother that I'm almost done with and some comments on sister janet that I will write tonight when I have more energy. BTW these are like my two favorite songs!! kisses, ~*joanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:58:42 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: YKTR favorite OK I have a question for all of you who have heard Y Kant Tori Read. Which song do you like the best (even if you hate them all)?? try to make it something other than Etienne since I tend to think of that as much much more like the real tori and therefore not comparable to the rest of YKTR. My favorite would be Fire on the Side -- it's the only one that I have listened to more than a few times and the first song that I'll show someone who wants to hear YKTR -- unless I want them to laugh :) kisses, ~* joanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:14:52 -0600 From: "Matthew DesOrmeaux" Subject: name for tape Hey Ears :-) I'm making a CD of Tori rarities for my friend here at school and I need a name. Something about things...from lyrics, perferably... Like "Precious Things", but not... Matthew This mortal soil around me...mortal feeling I have have found... Surrounded by your glory...hold me now so that I never drown... ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:00:42 -0000 From: "Fiona Mcmillan" Subject: In The Springtime of His Voodoo << Oh yeah, I meant to ask. Where can you find the original In The Springtime of His Voodoo? >> >umm, on boys for pele Nope, at least not my Boys. I take it that Voodoo was on the first releases of Boys? I can`t find that one anywhere. Mine has that stoopid Armand Van Helden remix of PW. Is it a B-side to anything? BTW, I totally agree with Barb. i think that's one of the things people like about music. it posesses the ability to help your moods.. it makes you want to dance it makes you want to cry. *shrug* Music controls me while liberating me. It takes my agression away, but sets me free and expresses me at the same time. Tori is the one musician who has done this for me more than any other. I mean, Honey just knocks me out. I`ll be on the floor crying at that, whereas Bachelorette has me leaping about, ya know? Love in Tori Fiona "If people can`t see things from the other side thats not my problem, its theirs"-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:39:47 PST From: "carmen riojas" Subject: Re: what is the true tori? i do think she's changed, you can't avoid it, change is part of personal evolution. if anything she's become more private, and my main evidence for this is her not talking as much at concerts. certainly i'm not complaining, its her choice. now she seems to just let the music tell us philes what's going on in her life. >From: "Megasus©" >Reply-To: "Megasus©" >To: Tori ML >Subject: Re: what is the true tori? >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:02:07 -0800 > > > > >Talulagrl1@aol.com wrote: > >> this question was raised in a recent post >> and here is my 2 cents.... >> >> yes i agree tori have changed her look and her image over the years >> but no i dont agree that she has grown angrier,she's just grown..... >> everybody changes..... >> if her image stayed the same most of her audience would say.."hey tori youve >> done this before.move on....." >> think about it.....would you want 4 albums just like utp or le? > >First of all, I wasn't trying to say she's grown angrier. Not at all.. I'm just >saying she's changed *alot* ... and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I guess a >better way I should have put it is... Tori's outside appearance and her music >has changed.. but have her inner feelings changed? Is she a different person >inside? Of course, we'll never know that for certain... because that's her own >business.. I'm just wondering what people think about that change.. and if they >think she's changed as a person as well. I like her new music just as much as >the old... there is a definite difference, but I like it all. And I agree that >she is outstanding looking for her age.. and I love the way she looks in the >Raspberry Swirl video (like I mentioned before..:)So I wasn't trying to say >Tori's new image is bad... or that I wish she hadn't changed.. I just wanted to >hear others opinions on the change. :) I just wanted to clear that up... so >nobody thinks I'm saying bad things here, because I'm not. Hope that cleared >things up a bit. :) > > >-- >^_~Megasus~_^ >http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ >ICQ# 14241089 >*~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* >*~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* > >"I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt >to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos > >"Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:06:36 EST From: "Cor.ab.ella, the mookie faerie sushi raspberry swirl girl" Subject: Re: our tori belle grows up I've always found the choirgirl era to be a time where she doesn't quite know where she is.....but by the end of the album she's healed herself. If you listen to choirgirl in the correct order (as in the lyric book), you will find that she begins in a shell, and unsure of where she belongs after Pele..........but by Cruel and Playboy Mommy, she's come to terms with herself, and is full embracing all aspects of her........does anyone else see this? Deb >From: the glitter girl >Reply-To: the glitter girl >To: Tori ML >Subject: our tori belle grows up >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:00:37 -0600 > > >Megasus© wrote: > >> business.. I'm just wondering what people think about that change.. and if > >i think tori has matured _a lot_ over the past 10 years. even if you consider Y >Kant Tori Read an abberration, and not really representative of who she was at that >point in time, i see a huge amount of growth from one album to the next. _little >earthquakes_ deals mostly with sort of adolescent issues of trying out different >personas and figuring out who you want to be, and looking to others for approval to >give you self-worth (leather, winter, mother). LE also has lots of the >rollercoaster of emotions during this time (silent all these years, little >earthquakes). but jump to _Under the Pink_, where she knows who she is, and is >trying to sort our relationships/friendships (bells for her, the waitress). her >lyrics get more mature and complex, as does her music. she still goes for shock >value sometimes, which is apparent in UtP era interviews. then _boys for pele_ >comes roaring in, and this is no girl, this is a woman, and she's asserting her >independence. she knows and understands who she is, and she is mature and strong >and can evaluate and understand how her relationships with other people. she jumps >off incredible cliffs musically and her lyrics are pure art, with mature metaphor >that no longer has any hint of adolescent poetry. when _choirgirl_ rolls in, she >knows where she is in her life, she's in love and happy, her life is going to a good >place, and she's just got it going on, for real. she's secure with herself and is >ready to create with other musicians. she's grabbed onto life and she's riding it >hard. > >i always feel like the biggest jump was from Pink to Pele. it seems like it was a >major turning point lyrically and musically. it amazes me that she could have >followed pink with pele--it seems almost like a different woman wrote thsoe songs. >probably the break up with eric caused a "growth spurt"...you know after you've been >really comfortable and static for a while, and then everythihng erupts at once? and >moving on from a constant companion of eight years has the potential to be a major >catalyst. > >anyway, taht's my random thoughts on that. > >have a good day, >bessie Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #88 ************************************