From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #86 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, March 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: New Tori Song Coming Out [Mikewhy ] FOR JENNI HAND [Smack You Sparkly ] Re: Mis-*Q*uote? [Mikewhy ] Re: what is the true tori? ["Megasusİ" ] Re: Tori & Mike Oldfield? [Charlie Poole ] Re: Mother ["Morrigan Connor" ] Re: Tori and Peter Gabriel [Ellen Morris ] why i'm still not "over it" heh heh >:) [Belle7719@aol.com] Re: Sister Janet ["Plain Jane" ] Re: little story ["Plain Jane" ] Re: Thanks Lissa, HJ remix, BfP, Thanks Everyone =) [Krishan ] Re: Mother [Jennifer Lynn Roth ] Winter epiphany and Tori's evolution ["Vicki Siolos" ] MisQuote ["Fiona Mcmillan" ] comments on Lissa's SATY interp. [Cynthia Lawson ] Words, Bose, and Silence [intella-ed@juno.com] Re: Mother ["Erika and Alan Lewis" ] our tori belle grows up [the glitter girl ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:06:07 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: New Tori Song Coming Out Erin posted: >I just wanted to remind you that the new Tori song should be coming out this >April 6th on the "Anywhere But Here" movie soundtrack. (Unless it has been >pushed back since I last checked.) If anyone has any updates or knows the >actual title of this song, let me know! It appears almost 100% likely that this release will be pushed back. How much we don't know. The "Anywhere But Here" soundtrack is not listed on any of the release schedules (including Ice Magazine) for April 6....I guess we will have to wait. The movie is done or nearly so and they have even shown a clip of it on TV somewhere, so it will eventually come out! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "I won't say GoodBye... only see you in the DreamTime. All of us, you, me will have adventures to share alchemy little SHAMEN in training we are never that far From Each other...interdimensional travel Until we meet again Hugs (it's a Bugs life)" Tori's End of Tour Message To The Dent - Nov 30, 1998 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:04:29 -0800 From: Smack You Sparkly Subject: FOR JENNI HAND Sorry, everyone, but I lost her E-mail addy, so I had to post this here. Jenni, I sent my money for the Tori tapes today. I hope I'm not late or anything. Sorry for not getting in touch with you earlier. Please let me know when you recieve my payment. Write to me at this address: PushingTheKitty@Juno.com Sorry everyone!!!!! Love and Faeries, Becky The Screaming Bluebells: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/5435/index.html ICQ #: 30446403 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:59:58 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: Mis-*Q*uote? Joe posted: >So, I'm pretty sure that Tori quote was a mis-quote, but, nevertheless, I >think Alanis handled it very well and very graciously. Could someone >please provide any quotes Tori has regarding Alanis Morissette, and/or >resolve the issue of the above quote? Here is the exact quote from the May 1998 issue of Q Magazine. "I really like her. She's such a good person. I like her as a person a lot. I like the songwriting and I think I like her singing but I've got to tell you, I have a hard time listening to that record, just on a sonic level. It would make a dog's ears hurt. I hate records that have so much high end and no bottom." I agree that Alanis handled the criticism with class. At the same time, the quote is not quite as bad when taken in context! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "I won't say GoodBye... only see you in the DreamTime. All of us, you, me will have adventures to share alchemy little SHAMEN in training we are never that far From Each other...interdimensional travel Until we meet again Hugs (it's a Bugs life)" Tori's End of Tour Message To The Dent - Nov 30, 1998 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:02:07 -0800 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: Re: what is the true tori? Talulagrl1@aol.com wrote: > this question was raised in a recent post > and here is my 2 cents.... > > yes i agree tori have changed her look and her image over the years > but no i dont agree that she has grown angrier,she's just grown..... > everybody changes..... > if her image stayed the same most of her audience would say.."hey tori youve > done this before.move on....." > think about it.....would you want 4 albums just like utp or le? First of all, I wasn't trying to say she's grown angrier. Not at all.. I'm just saying she's changed *alot* ... and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I guess a better way I should have put it is... Tori's outside appearance and her music has changed.. but have her inner feelings changed? Is she a different person inside? Of course, we'll never know that for certain... because that's her own business.. I'm just wondering what people think about that change.. and if they think she's changed as a person as well. I like her new music just as much as the old... there is a definite difference, but I like it all. And I agree that she is outstanding looking for her age.. and I love the way she looks in the Raspberry Swirl video (like I mentioned before..:)So I wasn't trying to say Tori's new image is bad... or that I wish she hadn't changed.. I just wanted to hear others opinions on the change. :) I just wanted to clear that up... so nobody thinks I'm saying bad things here, because I'm not. Hope that cleared things up a bit. :) - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 *~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* *~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* "I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:16:43 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Re: Tori & Mike Oldfield? On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Morley, David wrote: > Regardless, any of you who aren't familiar with Mr. Oldfield > should acquaint yourselves. I feel very strongly that he is one of > the greatest musicians of the last several decades. You can't go far > wrong with any of his albums. I would like to strongly second this statement and also suggest the "Tubular Bells" album as an excellent starting point. This is one man playing an entire orchestra by himself. Listen to it in a dark room wearing a head set and let the music take you to never before visited celestial worlds. Be good to yourself, Charlie - -- Mr. Puppethead Merchandise: http://php.indiana.edu/~cpoole/mrpuppet.html Subscribe to the Tori and Everything Else mailing list. Send an e-mail message to toriandmore-subscribe@makelist.com or subscribe from http://www.findmail.com/list/toriandmore/ C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance with sad. --Tori Amos I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:36:52 PST From: "Morrigan Connor" Subject: Re: Mother Hi all! :) well to me, mother has always been a song about a girl growing up and leaving the home both emotionally and physically, maybe because of a guy in her life that she wants to be with. Yet at times, I think she is also unsure and she wants her mother to be there for her, and she wants to be able to come running home. She's not always positive that she wants to grow up, even though she's doing all these wonderful things and having a good time, but i think she realizes that it could all go sour. "somebody leave the light on for the circus girl"--she's kinda saying hey dont leave me in the dark here, i know you still want me around, i might be a little wierd but Im still your daughter!! I also think that the mother in the song is sort of throwing it in the girls face when she does come home or when she loses some of her confidence (" dont cry, you raised your hand for the assignment") yet at the same time wants her daughter to be independent. Its all about conflicting personalities. I think the line "poison me against the moon" is a major reference to female sexuality. Sometimes mothers (esp. in the 50s i believe) didn't really talk to thier daughters opening about sexual things, and made it seem sinful, and really emphasized modesty. the moon is a sort of a representation of 'woman' (the sun being male) so i think that the line is tori's railing against the fact that sexuality was made to be a sinful thing and not elevated to be something beautiful. Hmmm...i hope i made this interpretation of mine sound relatively intelligent, im very sleepy :) I dont have the LE lyric book with me either, heh. but what i do know is that i strongly relate to this song and i see my own relationship with my mother clearly illustrated in it... morrigan >Mother always makes me think of Margaret Attwoods book The Handmaid's >Tale. > >I always think of the handmaid and the commanders outings together when >she sings about the dancing..and remember when she's come from.. > >*shrug* > >barb. > >>What do people think of Mother, other than it is an amazing yet >underrated track? It sounds like its about a wedding to me-"brides in >veils for you", and all this stuff bout he`s gonna change my name and >limosines, but it always makes me think of funerals. I don`t know why, >just the way she sings "Mother the car is here", and "Dripping with >blood". Just after Christmas I had to go to a funerals and I was sitting >there waiting for the car and all I could think of was Mother the car is >here over and over. >> Anyway, I`d like to hear what others think >> Love in Tori >>Fiona McMillan >> >>"When I was little I got into big trouble for wondering if Jesus had a >thing going with Mary Magdelene"-Tori Amos >>"Got enough guilt to start my own religion"-Tori Amos >> > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:21:38 -0500 (EST) From: Ellen Morris Subject: Re: Tori and Peter Gabriel TORI & peter worked together on a song for the Virtuosity soundtrack. they wrote a song called PARTY MAN i think with someone else too, but i am too lazy to check :) or tired is a better word i like the song, but i find it a bit redundant. but of course its tori & peter tori did not preform on the track. her contribution was solely in the composing end of it. i dont know exactly whether it was strictly musically or lyrically as well. but the lyrics arent untoriesque. ok, ellen felt guilty about the lazy act so: party man performed by the worldbeaters and peter gabriel writen by peter gabriel, george acogny and tori amos produced by peter gabriel & george acogny the collectible doesnt have much to add. does anybody else??? g'nite, ellen _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~| The stars around _______ the beautiful moon ((_______)) keep hidden their glittering | | | | radiance, whenever in its | | | | fullness it shines upon | | | | the earth | | | | - -sappho | | _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:15:03 EST From: Belle7719@aol.com Subject: why i'm still not "over it" heh heh >:) In a message dated 3/23/99 7:10:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, ubelda00@umail.ucsb.edu writes: << Have you guys ever heard "Over It"? From the first moment I heard it, I became entranced by it. I think that is one of the most powerful and moving songs ever written by Tori. I practically start crying to this day, every time I hear it. I cannot honestly say what why it affects me so, but somehow it seems to be descriptive of all my feelings which I cannot put to words. >> allow me to try and put this feeling into words.. "over it" is my favourite just-piano song of tori's. i remember i was in the midst of reading "the english patient" and i heard this one and "all the girls hate her" over and over and over.. but long after the book was done, "over it" still had its hooks in me. the only thing i can say ... hold on you've driven me to the point where i have to go get her cd and hear it again... okies i'm hearing it.. *happy face*... god, the piano just kills me.. this song is a journey.. it is a flight. it starts off on the precipice of some cliff or other and just takes off.. it soars for the first minute and a half and then just softly lands back down again.. i think the reason why i associate this song with flying has to do a lot with the book i was reading at the time. if any of you has seen the movie "the english patient" or read the book, perhaps you'll understand. another reason why i like it.. it's such a personal song.. let me explain.. you can hear when tori presses down hard on the pedal (or whatever you piano aficionados call it).. the hard thump there that makes it sound like she's in your own bedroom, playing that piano right in front of you.. and my favourite.. when the song is almost over, there is that sharp intake of breath.. or so it sounds to me maybe it's something else. but i want to believe it is. there. i'm done. how do you interpret a song with no words? hm. food for thought. but i think you can. this song to me is a journey.. the title "over it" suggests leaving a particular state of mind.. just my two cents! and also my first posting, i believe. my name is ana , i'm 20, live in miami, florida, and my favourite song (right now) of tori's is "sugar." love & starry skies, ana ~~*~*~*hang ten, hang ten, honey, i'm gonna go where she goes*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:20:14 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: Re: Sister Janet I have to add my opinion to everyone else's because sister janet is on my tape of i'dliketohaveagoodlongcry tape. so i don't know what it is about the song really. knowing that she mentions marianne.. and the very end when her voice just gets so powerful.. all of it just makes my emotions bubble over.. :T barb. > >I was reading Lissa's email to me last night, and she happened to >mention Sister Janet -- be still my heart! -- and then again onlist, so >I just had to write about it... > >Sister Janet probably ties with Tear In Your Hand as my all-time >favorite Tori Amos song. It's incredibly hard for me to pick "favorits" >when it comes to Tori, but without a doubt, Sister Janet has stolen my >soul. > >This song was another that I had listened to countless times before it >ripped through me, and I remember the exact moment...I was at this beach >house in Wrightsville Beach, and I was sitting on the back deck, and it >was about midnight, and the water was black, and the sky this bluish >color, and I swear to god, the lightning was violet as it hit the water. >In my earphones (and I know you're wondering why I was sitting outside >during a lightning storm, so sue me) came Sister Janet in all of its >haunting, melancholy beauty. The opening piano, Tori's voice, so >completely and utterly breathtaking...I felt like I was sitting in a >cathedral, watching this beautiful redheaded woman sing, candles lit >everywhere...and scattered throughout the church were all of these >silent characters with solemn faces...all of them holding candles, and >sitting along the tops of the balconies were angels -- and not fluffy >women, either, but these beautiful, intense figures made of fire and >light, and beside them, the old Pagan priests, with these long, grey >beards...and then, walking down the aisle and kneeling at the altar is >this small, child-like nun, who is praying, and around here is the feel >of the ancient and sacred...and she's not praying to Jesus, but to Mary >Magdalene... > >Okay, tangent there, but it's just how passionate I feel about this >song. It gives me chills, and makes me want to cry with this mix of >sadness and joy...and the piano itself just makes me want to crawl into >it, and warm myself by the glow... > >[Heather begins to think perhaps she is getting a bit weird here...um.] > >Anyways, I just wanted to know if there is anyone else who has thoughts >on this song. I think it's one of Tori's most underrated, with Honey >getting all the glory. ;) > >"All the angels and all the wizards, black and white, are lighting >candles in our hands..." >Heather > >===================================== >"He sleeps under stairs, along with >the heirs of nothing, and nothing >means no one who cares..." >-- Stay (Belly) > > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:29:50 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: Re: little story hiya. funny you should write this.. 'cause i was just thinking about this before. sometimes listening to tori can upset me more..and releases my emotions.. and i can cry endlessly.. and sometimes i find her empowering.. and she makes me wiggle. i have a cfgdance..and can sing take to the sky at the top of my lungs.. i actually used to use it to motivate myself to go out and be social :T i'm sort of a turtle sometimes.. but i think good music..music that you connect to just does that.. i have other music that does the same thing for me.. i think that's one of the things people like about music. it posesses the ability to help your moods.. it makes you want to dance it makes you want to cry. *shrug* that's one of the things i love about it. just wanted to share. kinda long winded. sorry. barb. *snippet* >well tongiht in the car on the way home from dinner i had on a bootleg from >the plugged tour and we listened to dougnut song (one of my absolute >favorites). and i was sitting there, driving and singing, and i totally got >dragged down. i mean, like i thought my own car was going to run me over >becaue i had sunked though the seat and through the floor and hit the pavement >HARD, at about 45 mph. so after the song, i looked at alison, and i said >'wow. that just made me really sad :( ' and she jsut looked at me and said, >"who is this?" and i was like, "uh...what the hell are you talking about?" >and she said, "WHO IS THIS SIGNING?" and i said "tori" and she said, "oh. >tori huh? okay." > >well aobut 2 seconds later i realized that she was gracefully proving my >TOTALLY wrong. i dont know what it was but tongiht the song really got to me. >oh well. that was my silly little story. not much of a point i just wanted to >share. > >for those of you hwo actaully got this far, thank you for reading, and i want >to recommend a movie to anyone that likes "pulp fiction-esque" movies. Lock >Stock and Two Smokin' Barrels is a definite must see. there are cute british >boys in it and the cinematography is great and the plot is so twisted that >you'll NEVER guess what happens. i definitly think everyone should see this, >so much so that i am going to use that old move cliche`...RUN, dont walk, to >your nearest theater and see this movie!!!!!! > >once again thank for listening to me ramble, > lisa anne Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:05:04 +0800 From: Krishan Subject: Re: Thanks Lissa, HJ remix, BfP, Thanks Everyone =) > For example, the musical arrangement of the song LE is VITAL to that song- > it's amazing. The music itself actually IS a little earthquake, because > it begins with just a slow yet steady motion, the beat being almost a > pre-tremor of sorts, or some kinda foreshadowing. Then the music reaches > it's height with the "I can't reach you...," where the real earthquake > kicks in. Afterwards, "give me life, give me pain..." is sorta the > aftershock, leaving the final part of the song to serve as the quiet and > almost overwhelming peace following such an extreme event. Does anyone > think I have a valid point here, or am I just overanalyzing? Naturally, > the feeling that comes from the entire song- words and all- is what's > important, I just think it's interesting. Nope, not overanalysing at all. That's exactly how I see it, too -- and it's the first time I've read someone describe LE the way I hear it. You took the words right out of my mouth. :) I literally feel *exhausted* after listening to LE, you know? It's exactly like I've survived my own earthquake or something. (apologies to people who have indeed survived a REAL earthquake.. I'm sure the experience was a lot more, well, real :-) And there's an ulterior motive behind this e-mail, haha, not really. Well, sort of. See, in this strange country where I live, CD singles are amazingly hard to find. Well, *good* CD singles are amazingly hard to find -- N'Sync and BSB singles though, are sold by the truckloads. So the point is, hallelujah if I ever find a Tori single anywhere, you know? The "Hey Jupiter" EP is the only thing I have. Yes, in other words, I am b-sides deprived. I hear all this talk about "Sister Janet" and whatnot and I want to weep, because I haven't HEARD THESE STUFF! *hysterical sob* So... is there a kind, gracious, extremely loving and giving person out there who is willing to basically make me tape of most of (or all of, hehe) Tori's b-sides? I have several tapes of her live shows, and we could do a trade or something, even though most of you on this list probably own every live Tori tape ever to be bootlegged. ;) If this kind and generous person could respond to my personal e-mail address, that would be just dandy. Sorry for taking up your time with my selfish little e-mail. :) Coming out of lurking, Subash ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:17:47 -0500 From: "Vicki Siolos" Subject: Re: Lissa's beautiful post on BFP/thoughts I second that..please, if anyone could send it to me, I'd love to read it as well :) > >ah! i must have deleted that post written by lissa...but if anyone has it, i >would really love it if they could send it to me...BfP is my favorite album >and i would love to get something new out of it. >thanx >love >rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:26:10 -0600 From: Soraya Quiroga Subject: Toriphile needs us Many of you have read Gavrilo's (Sparkie's) postings and I have had the pleasure of befriending him through our many e-mails. He is THE most enthusiastic Tori fan I have ever known -- actually,he is enthusiastic about pretty much everything! He started the recent discussion on John Cage, among so many others, and it is astonishing that he is able to talk about that stuff at all considering what is happening in his country. Because in case you did not notice,Gavrilo writes to us from Yugolslavia -- from Belgrade. NATO is prepared to attack Kosovo military sites today, and it will actually probably be done by the time this is posted. Although the civilian threat is minimal at this point, the Kosovo airstrikes are the prelude to more strikes in Belgrade where our friend lives. I write this because I think it would help Gavrilo a great deal if a bunch of us wrote him something -- short notes, long notes, talking about anything -- he is nervous and aggravated because the government has not given him any information other than to prepare for war. I know from experience that Gavrilo responds instantly and with great sincerity to any gesture of kindness. He loves Tori, and talking about her has helped him keep his mind off what is going on -- I think he could scarcely believe his luck when he stumbled upon on our mailing-list and the Dent. Anyway, his e-mail addy is spark@EUnet.yu. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Roth Subject: Re: Mother On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, jackie, the ever annoying cupcake wrote: > > > What do people think of Mother, other than it is an amazing yet > > underrated track? > I think the song is more about roots than any specific events like a wedding or funeral, although, these are two events that help bring us back to our roots, being reminded of our own mortality and surrounded by those who have known us since birth. In the book of LE sheet music, Tori describes the song as such: "Mother came on a bit like dream sleep. It was early morning when I made my way to the piano. I knew that "they" were trying to show me something a memory of "the fall", not the one we've been taught, but the other side of the story which is the belief of certain ancient mythologies. Mother changed me because I began to remember, where I believe, we come from" I don't know much about ancient mythologies, so if anyone can help me out as to what she's referring to here, I would greatly appreciate it. "the fall" seems like it could be interpreted as losing one's virginity, and the "he's gonna change my name" easily fits in to that scenario as we are taught that sex and marriage are almost sinonimous. BUT, she refutes that in saying "not the one we've been taught". So, although my reproduction of this Tori quote might help others put this song in a different perspective, I think I have only confused the matter more for myself. Faery Blessings, Jenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:30:35 -0500 From: "Vicki Siolos" Subject: Winter epiphany and Tori's evolution Hello everyone...just thought I'd share my ideas on these recent connections to songs you've never expected. You see, I never really liked "Winter." Out of all the Tori songs, I think I've heard that one the most, and I kind of grew sick of it. I never truly liked the video, and the song just was very outplayed for me. However, lately, I've been undergoing a lot of stress, and my mother and I began arguing. For reference, my mother and I haven't fought in maybe 8 months because we've just gotten along so well, and it really began to crush me. For some reason, listening to "Winter," I began to feel as though everything was going to be OK. The piano work in that song is absolutely beautiful, and the orchestration is simply genius. For the first time ever, I had that song on repeat, and truly admired, as well. Also, as for the comments on Tori's evolution, I'm happy for it. She, and her music, hasn't developed into a more sad or more happy mood, but she has grown as a soul and a human being. I'm a completely different person from who I was two years ago, and I never expected her to stay the same...I'm glad she didn't. She believes to be a filter to the songs that already exist. If this is true, then this is why she is able to make such a unique manifestation with each album...her interpretations of the existances out there are also genius. (or as sifl&olly would say...."Dude! She's so crescent fresh!") loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "i think about what you're doing now and when you're coming back" - - Social Distortion - will work for sex: http://travel.to/desolate.winters ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:21:25 PST From: "David Belden" Subject: Re: Tori and Peter Gabriel Tori co-wrote a song with Peter called "Party Man", which can be found on the soundtrack for the film "Virtuosity." Although Tori doesn't appear on it, it's a cool song and has a place in my collection. The movie is only a few years old, so the soundtrack should still be available. Love in Tori, David Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:43:38 -0000 From: "Fiona Mcmillan" Subject: MisQuote Hi all I thought it was really funny when Tori said JLP would make a dog`s ears bleed as I despise Alanis Morissette, but anyway, here is what Tori said about Morissette in Q140-a Tori cover issue (sorry if someone has put this up already) "The kook torch passed from Bush to Amos, but it didn`t stop there. Little Earthquakes had a massive influence on the formative Alanis Morissette (quoted in Q as saying that the first time she heard the album, she played it "in its entirety, lying on my living room floor...I just bawled my eyes out"). For her part, however, Amos is careful when offering her opinions on the globe seducing phenomenon that is Jagged Little Pill. "I really like her. She`s such a good person. I like her as a person a lot." So you don`t like the record. "I like the songwriting and I think I like her singing, but I`ve gotta tell you, I have a hard time listening to the record just, on a sonic level. It would make a dog`s ears hurt. I hate records that have so much high end and no bottom". Thats all the interview has on the (terrible) Morissette, but it also covers her work, rape, inspiration and has quite a bit about the 300 year old North Cornish cottage she recorded FTCH in, such as a delightful pic of her fridge and "Tori Amos`s Cornish Diary". Its a great interview, get it if you can. Q 140 has sold out now, though. It also has a bit on Courtney Love-another person I would like to put on a boat and never see again. "Let`s put it this way", she hedges daintily, "Courtney and I have never spoken. We`ve never spoken about it (PW) and we`ve never spoken and I think its best kept that way. We have mutual friends. I don`t want to put them in a bad position" Oh yeah, I meant to ask. Where can you find the original In The Springtime of His Voodoo? I have the Sugar dub, the Quiet Mix, the single mix and the Hasborough Heights Club Mix all on various import albums (Somewhere over the rainbow and Song and Dance). It`s no big deal, I just wondered. Love in Tori Fiona "If people can`t see things from the other side thats not my problem, its theirs"-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:30:46 -0500 From: Cynthia Lawson Subject: comments on Lissa's SATY interp. Hola, hola, I wanted to comment on Lissa's very long interpretation of SATY...I very much enjoyed the way you related the song to your own story, I guess what Tori has always wanted us to do... Not just look up in interviews everything she says and repeat it by memory quoting her, but really appropriating the songs, and absorbing them into our everyday life situation... anyway, it was curious Lissa should write about SATY a few days after I was giving my best friend, my look on the song. I won't comment on the whole thing, but just had a couple of questions...not really that I care to have them answered, but to create some thinking here... 1. I had never seen this song as a woman contemplating having an abortion... I had seen it as abuse received from her partner. She's been SATY about the situation...living in Latin America, I know this is a very common situation in Colombian couples, especially low-middle class...but I have seen it even in classmates...macho culture. 2. "been saved again by the garbage truck"...i always heard it as if the man is ready to beat her again, but the garbage truck arrives, and with its lights and noise distracts the man, saving her from yet another beating... I guess it's my visual perception of the line, remembering those evenings when I'm at home, listening to music quietly in my room, and suddenly the garbage truck enters my block... last comment: 3. "boy you best pray that I bleed real soon"...thinking about the other standpoint, that the song is about a woman contemplating having an abortion...bleeding is a vulgar way to call getting her period...if she does not "bleed" means she is pregnant. That's it for now. I am surprised noone else has commented on Lissa's post...we are definitely a hard group to move!! xx C. p.s. Someone asked about CDNow...go for it. I've done business with them several times and no problem. I also recommend Music Boulevard, Amazon, Rainy Day Records. > - --------------SATY, PERSONAL INTERP + STORY-------------- > This was my first Tori song that I heard in it's entirely and enjoyed (my > first was Caught a Lite Sneeze, and I couldn't make out any of the words). I > heard it on the worst day of my life as of that point, where I didn't think I > could take living anymore. It came on the radio on the way home from school, > and I remember crying in the car. Something about this woman's voice, piano > prowess, and just plain sincerity in her words overwhelmed me. That night, I > stopped hurting myself, and I was determined not to be silent anymore. > > I know most people believe this song is about a woman contemplating having an > abortion, and I agree. ..../snipped/... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:24:55 -0600 From: intella-ed@juno.com Subject: Words, Bose, and Silence Fellow EWF, It occurred to me, (Oct 22, College Station, TX DDI Tour) that much in the same way that Tori plays the total piano, by the rapping and smacking of the various surfaces to get the "right" sound she requires, She uses her voice, breathing, and pronunciation the same way. I was working as a student stagehand on that tour, and got to see all of the mechanics and electronics at work behind Tori, and am glad to say that unlike the Indigo Girls (who actually have a portable sound booth in the wings) Tori's voice (at least then) was not altered. In fact the only "magik" at work were a system of gates and compression, and about 40 or so Gargoyles hanging from the rigging with Lisa (the Lighting Tech, who had blond hair four feet long her head shaved and the sides and back so that we could see the Gargoyle tattoo on her head.) The gates are a preset sound level, if her voice drops, the microphone cuts out in order to give us that polished Silence. Compression is a tool that basically squashes sound waves so she does not spike and feed back. So I guess my .02 is here: The Bose is fantastic. The lyrics are as complex and involving as the music is precision crafted. The Root of the music is Tori herself. How can any of us say that we don't expect and wait for the purposeful sound of Tori's breathing, listen to the well thought out inflictions in the voice, or pause in those moments of dear silence. One of my favorite Poetic devices is arrangement of words on page. Tori arranges words in time, space, breath, and silence at the same time blows kisses at the EWF in the 1st through last row. It's not one or the other, but the fact that She makes it happen, by doing it all at the same time with almost apologetic skill and apparent ease. My GOD, and people wonder why I love her, and I think how can you NOT! IMVHO Tori is a Poet of the next level, an artist of the finest caliber, and genuinely a beautiful person. For those of us with eyes to see, and Ears With Feet And Since I still have your attention... have a Tori Poem. This ~~~~~ is the greatest poem I have ever written it stole words from every writer who ever crossed its path it manifested a manifesto made demands held ransoms and bake sales performed benefit concerts for the culturally impaired This poem is the entire brass section of Tommy Dorsey's biggest big band at full volume, face value, and testosterone level both Peter, Paul, and Mary all of Mama Cass Jimmy Hendrix hair and Tori Amos' piano bench This poem is the sum greater than all other parts a movie star a bass drum Sandra Cisneros and Anna Castillo having tea in a purple house flooded rivers dry baked plains Fictional characters tip their hats at the audacity that this poem is the greatest that I have ever written ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~NEVER was one for a prissy girl -- coquette -- ~~~Call in for an ambulance Reach high ~~~doesn't mean she's holy just means She's got her Cellular handy ~~~ ~~~Peace and poetry, love and Tori. Still Chasing Tornadoes... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:25:10 -0500 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Re: Mother Jenn said... > "Mother came on a bit like dream sleep. It was early morning when I made > my way to the piano. I knew that "they" were trying to show me something > a memory of "the fall", not the one we've been taught, but the other side > of the story which is the belief of certain ancient mythologies. Mother > changed me because I began to remember, where I believe, we come from" > > I don't know much about ancient mythologies, so if anyone can help me out > as to what she's referring to here, I would greatly appreciate it. I'd like to thank Jenn for posting this information. After reading this quote I put "mother" on repeat and I understood, and I cried. I could explain but from previous experience with posting (no one ever replies to anything I put), so, I'll just say thank you. Be Well Erika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:00:37 -0600 From: the glitter girl Subject: our tori belle grows up Megasusİ wrote: > business.. I'm just wondering what people think about that change.. and if i think tori has matured _a lot_ over the past 10 years. even if you consider Y Kant Tori Read an abberration, and not really representative of who she was at that point in time, i see a huge amount of growth from one album to the next. _little earthquakes_ deals mostly with sort of adolescent issues of trying out different personas and figuring out who you want to be, and looking to others for approval to give you self-worth (leather, winter, mother). LE also has lots of the rollercoaster of emotions during this time (silent all these years, little earthquakes). but jump to _Under the Pink_, where she knows who she is, and is trying to sort our relationships/friendships (bells for her, the waitress). her lyrics get more mature and complex, as does her music. she still goes for shock value sometimes, which is apparent in UtP era interviews. then _boys for pele_ comes roaring in, and this is no girl, this is a woman, and she's asserting her independence. she knows and understands who she is, and she is mature and strong and can evaluate and understand how her relationships with other people. she jumps off incredible cliffs musically and her lyrics are pure art, with mature metaphor that no longer has any hint of adolescent poetry. when _choirgirl_ rolls in, she knows where she is in her life, she's in love and happy, her life is going to a good place, and she's just got it going on, for real. she's secure with herself and is ready to create with other musicians. she's grabbed onto life and she's riding it hard. i always feel like the biggest jump was from Pink to Pele. it seems like it was a major turning point lyrically and musically. it amazes me that she could have followed pink with pele--it seems almost like a different woman wrote thsoe songs. probably the break up with eric caused a "growth spurt"...you know after you've been really comfortable and static for a while, and then everythihng erupts at once? and moving on from a constant companion of eight years has the potential to be a major catalyst. anyway, taht's my random thoughts on that. have a good day, bessie ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #86 ************************************