From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #78 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, March 18 1999 Volume 04 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MP3s - Bsides ["Doron Vidavski" ] Re: is bfp everyones least fav? [Anne ] Re: blue skies ["Mr Zebra" ] OOps! ANOTHER tori thingy! [Wintdve98@aol.com] BT in Go ["Mr Zebra" ] Tori is a fave in TEEN [Wintdve98@aol.com] fav album...on a desert island [Cynthia Lawson ] Re: confessions of a _Pele_ lover [PeleBlow17@aol.com] rainn on mtv [the ] Tori and age ["Fiona Mcmillan" ] Re: blue skies [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Re: is bfp everyones least fav? [Matthew Skillings ] Re: is bfp everyones least fav? [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] b4p, courtney love, and mtv ["*january grrl*" ] Fw: Tori is a fave in TEEN ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] trilogy question ["Jackie Rosenfeld" ] Re: fav album...on a desert island ["Mr Zebra" ] Re: confessions of a _Pele_ lover [Tasha325@aol.com] Re: BT in Go [IsItRite@aol.com] Re: confessions of a _Pele_ lover [Beth Coulter ] Re: is bfp everyones least fav? [Jeffrey Clark ] My Tori trip/dream pt.10 Lowell, MA. Last one!!! [Laura Damico Subject: MP3s - Bsides Hi. I accidentally deleted a message posted a couple of days ago in regards to an mp3-cation of all Tori's Bsides and non-album tracks. It featured Butterfly and Siren which I am desperately searching for. Could the person who posted it to the list please e-mail me again with the message to my private elctronic address? Thanks so much. Doron. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:25:17 -0500 From: Anne Subject: Re: is bfp everyones least fav? I got into Tori during UTP and then bought LE and liked it better. When BFP came out , the first time I listened to it I didn't like it. Then I put it away for a month and looked at it one day and decided to give it another try, I LOVED it after that. I'm not sure why that is exactly, maybe I just had to evolve another month as a person to understand and enjoy it, or maybe I was going through another time in my life, but it's one of my favorites, they all are :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:50:59 -0600 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: blue skies >Blue Skies Album Version >Blue Skies Unreleased version (sounds much like the album version with a >couple definite changes around the beginning..) >Blauer Himmel Mix >Deep Dish Blue Phunk Mix >Rabbit in the Moon Phantomless Remix >Delphinium Days >Erinnen Indigo Mix >Robbers of Antiquity Alien Disco Mix In addition to these the single has: 1. Radio Edit 4. Deep Dish Blue Phunk Dub 5. BT's Liquid Oxygen Dub Matthew I like pleasure spiked with pain and music is my aeroplane. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:53:09 EST From: Wintdve98@aol.com Subject: OOps! ANOTHER tori thingy! Hey I just found yet ANOTHER tori mention... Inspired by her own struggle to overcome an unpleasant past, TORI AMOS cofounded RAINN (Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:37:08 -0600 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: BT in Go I just saw a preview for Go, a new movie about a rave night and all kinds of crazy stuff that happens, and I was about to turn around back to my computer when I caught 2 of my favorite letters, BT, in the credit page. I looked closer and it said "Music by BT" Now I have to go see it the night it comes out!!!! It's supposed to have a really good soundtrack anyway(the "New" No Doubt song, etc...), but if BT's in the movie....OH YEAH!!!! Maybe they'll play BLUE SKIES!!!!! Oh, I WOULD DIE!!!!!!!!!! Matthew I like pleasure spiked with pain and music is my aeroplane. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:48:43 EST From: Wintdve98@aol.com Subject: Tori is a fave in TEEN Hey guys, I was looking through my TEEN magazine and guess what i saw?! i LIL thing of tori! Monica Keena goes for the classics: Bob Dylan, the Police and Tori Amos Tori...a classic?!? Ummm, NO - -SUsan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:43:23 -0500 From: Cynthia Lawson Subject: fav album...on a desert island Hello, I've been thinking about my fav. album thread...and well, I think that it's very hard to decide...but here's the thing, The album I play the most at home, is UTP...when I only had LE, well, obviously LE, so I think it's the one I know the most lyrics to...So my favorite is UTP. but here's another thought...what album would you take with you to a desert island, if you were to choose only one? definitely BFP...why? its variety and length...less probable to go insane... and well the lyrics are harder to decipher, so I would not be thinking that Hey Jupiter is about that seagull who has been flying around all day over my head! :¬) so...does your answer change if you have to choose ONE? xx C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:09:18 EST From: PeleBlow17@aol.com Subject: Re: confessions of a _Pele_ lover I completely agree with the bessie, the glitter girl. I'm listen BfP right now as a matter of fact. BfP is the one I listen to the most out of all the albums. I can't say it is my favourite because I love them all the same. I started with LE, then UtP and so on. LE is extremely important to me emotionally and so is UtP, but Pele fits my what has been happening in my life the past six months or so (a difficult breakup). BfP is the one that I connect the best with right now. UtP has been in my CD player more than usual lately too. I always read people's comments on how BfP is their least favourite and I don't understand how Toriphile couldn't like it. But I guess it has to do with what's going on in your life and what your mindset is. I don't know if that makes any sense. a little blubber in my igloo, Charissa ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 99 11:42:31 MST From: the Subject: rainn on mtv i remember a while ago posts about mtv teaming with rainn and other orgs... yesterday i taped rocks off since garbage was on and they showed a rainn "commercial" (sorry, dunno what to call it) and it was the same tori as in the *every two minutes a woman is forcibly raped* one except this one had a bunch of teens in the beginning and then a showdow fell on one and tori said that one of ten teens are sexually abused before they turn 18 (or something along those lines)...unlock the silence...and they gave the phone number... no one mentioned this so i thought i'd post... [aleksandra] ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:53:16 -0000 From: "Fiona Mcmillan" Subject: Tori and age Hey all! People sometimes find it hard to take me seriously as a Toriphile as I am only 15. I don`t care. I live and breathe Tori. I`m the only person in my year at school (1 out of nearly 200) who likes Tori. Given that I live in Scotland where Tori is seldom heard, that is almost understandable. What is not understandable is the grief I get for being a Toriphile. But that won`t stop me!! I just defy everyone, marching about with my red hair and billions of Tori stuff. So, just to everyone who has had trouble being a young Toriphile-screw the people who are too dense to understand. And people, lets not get too carried away with this TRL/ underground thing, k? I think its great that Tori isn`t commercial, but did she not once say that it was great to share???? Anyway, Bye for now Love in Tori Fiona-a young, but still obsessed EWF "When I was little I got into big trouble for wondering if Jesus had a thing going with Mary Magdelene"-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:38:03 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: blue skies Okay, here is the track-lisiting for the blue skies singles. there are two of them, one blue disc and one grey disc, and there may be more versions available. I have the singles, and I must admit, that BT's other stuff is really impressive too. Blue Disc: Radio Edit Delphinium Days Paul Van Dyk's Erinnern Indigo Mix Paul Van Dyk's Blauer Himmel Mix Robbers of Antiquity Alien Disco Mix Grey Disc: Radio Edit Rabbit in the Moon's Phantomless Mix Deep Dish Blue Phunk Mix Deep DIsh Blue Phunk Dub BT's Liquid Oxygen Dub These singles seem to be not WAY rare. I found the blue disc at Border's, for the regular price of an import. ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:15:54 -0500 From: Matthew Skillings Subject: Re: is bfp everyones least fav? > ....i seem to be far the oposite, as if i were forced to actually catagorize > which of tori's albums i liked best to least (god forbid, it would be a > painful process! can't do it!) i think Boys for Pele would be number one. > granted, it would never be an album that i'd recomend for someone wanting a > first taste of tori, i think you have to already have an appreciation for > her to completely adore the album, like i do. It's one of the most > eccentric pieces i've ever heard, and for some reason, it helps channel > pieces of me more often (all of tori's work does, at different times..) > then the rest of the albums. These are my sentiments about this album exactly. There is one thing I disagree with though, I don't think by any means being a previous fan is required (especially since so many LE or UtP era fans disliked it so much). BfP was my first Tori album, I was brought in by seeing the video for CaLS. I bought the album, and listened too it on and off, and it took me a very long time to truly appreciate it and fall in love with her music. But by the end of it all, I totally adored the album, and because addicted to Tori's music in general. If anything I'd say that if a fan fell in love with BfP first that might make them more tolerant of anything different Tori might do on ftch or future albums. Afterall, if they can get something as complex and abstract as BfP (without any previous reference) they can probably get anything. I love all of Tori albums, and I can never really pick a favourite. In fact it might be most accurate too say that my favourite is whatever one I'm currently listening too at the time. But by just a hair BfP is my favourite, not because I listen to it the most, or because I connect with the songs more. But because in my mind out of all of Tori's albums it's like her masterwork. I can't explain it any better than that. As for whether I'd use BfP to introduce somebody to her work. I would most certainly not, despite the fact that I somehow managed to still get into her even though something as difficult as BfP was my introduction, I really don't think very many people out there are of the character that this would work for them. So I think I would most definitley either start them off with LE, or perhaps ftch. Those are just my two cents, Matt - -- Matthew Skillings eternity@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~eternity/ "Ratatouille Strychnine sometimes she's a friend of mine" - Tori Amos (Mr Zebra) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:56:35 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: is bfp everyones least fav? I find it hard to pick a favorite...I mean, there is such amazing material on all of the albums. There are some that will come have drinks with me more often than not, and they all kind of are in this flow thingie, where one will poke me in the ribs and say hey! listen, I've got some magick here for you... I just think one has to respect each of the albums for what they are, and kinda let the ebb and flow take you there. By the by, COMPLETE randomness, but I just got the book of good faeries and bad faeries by brian froud. it is sooo much fun and has great insights and wonderful drawings. check it out, but don't read about thebad faeries at night. I almost had a nightmare...heh evol ni irot, ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:20:51 PST From: "*january grrl*" Subject: b4p, courtney love, and mtv boys fore pele: my "favorite" cd changes every few days, so i cant really say that boys is my favorite album, but i must say that it is definatly the most powerful. PJ Harvey said (in different words probably) that depression and pain are much better recieved by audiances, and are most often way more powerful than "im happy" songs or love songs. this is true, especialy for tori.. the cd starts out kindof reflective and hopeful maybe, with a bit of anger over her losses. but then, seh realises that mshe may never gain back the people with whom she has parted with. it seems like despair just takes over almost, especially when i hear caught a lite sneeze.. its not just the lyrics, its the whole sound of the songs that just seeem to fit together lize a perfected puzzle... so what if it was the least bought of all her albums? it's still the most emotionaly-provoking album i've ever heard, by any artist. all the other albums are great, although i can't really listen to ftch that often anymore because i played it out during the summer. but each cd has its own goodness and energy. tori jsut seems to harness it, while letting it free at the same time. courtney love: is a cool celebrity. but thats about it. i lvoe her songs and movies and im drawn to her - i have her pictures on my wall - and hole is amazing. but i know that her personality is not-so-great. thats just my opinion. i had something else to say, but i forgot... mtv: i think that mtv is doing perfect with how they portray tori. they had that wonder ultrasound: the toriphiles show which was way betetr than i was expecting, they totaly pay homage to her with shows like Revue (which was cancelled i think?) and the times they /do/ show her videos. if she makes a video for a JS remix, they will most likey capitolise on it seeing as it's #2 on the dance club charts (thats soooo cool) but this brings me to the point i made when the grammy's conversation was up - - it doesnt matter what she becomes to people. when she DOESNT sell out on her next album - like all of the artists do when they become big - shallow people will fade away and we will still be here, jsut laughing at the fools who are afraid of change. if you guys decide on a video and day, i will vote. but only because i love tori. if she becomes mainstream, which i highly doubt, im pretty sure that she can handle it. and im pretty sure that we can as well. now, i have to go take my english final *wish me luck* love in tori, courtney - -------------------------------- http://fly.to/januarygirl [little}plastic{castle] ::my heart is like the ocean/it always gets in the way///and my priest says "you aint savin any souls"/my father says "you aint making any money"/my doctor says "you just took it to the limit"///have a seat while i/take to the sky:: {tori.amos~take.to.the.sky} Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:15:47 -0600 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Fw: Tori is a fave in TEEN Hello all >Monica Keena goes for the classics: Bob Dylan, the Police and Tori Amos > >Tori...a classic?!? Ummm, NO WHY NOT????? Why cant she be considered "classic"? Id say thats hefty praise. Specially if they are ranking her with Bob Dylan and the Police, who are revered artists! Tori is our classic girl (like the Janes Addiction song)! Daisy Melanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:14:45 -0900 From: "Jackie Rosenfeld" Subject: trilogy question Question: A friend of mine told me that Tori said her first three albums were a trilogy. LE is a journal, UtP is an impressionist painting and BFP is a ____? She couldn't remember. Anyone know? Thanks! Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:15:00 -0600 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: fav album...on a desert island >but here's another thought...what album would you take with you to a desert island, if >you were to choose only one? Fumbling Towards Ecstasy, Sarah hands down, no questions asked. ...but if it was to pick a Tori, I am pretty sure it would be choirgirl. Matthew I like pleasure spiked with pain and music is my aeroplane. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:40:35 EST From: Tasha325@aol.com Subject: Re: confessions of a _Pele_ lover BFP is actually my favorite now, but it took a while as well. It took a horrible breakup to realize how much the album means to me. I love LE and UTP as well, but on my recent trip when I only felt the need to take BFP it reinforced the fact that she is definately my favorite. tasha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:18:17 EST From: IsItRite@aol.com Subject: Re: BT in Go In a message dated 3/17/99 8:08:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, mdesorme@orca.st.usm.edu writes: << I just saw a preview for Go, a new movie about a rave night and all kinds of crazy stuff that happens, and I was about to turn around back to my computer when I caught 2 of my favorite letters, BT, in the credit page. I looked closer and it said "Music by BT" Now I have to go see it the night it comes out!!!! It's supposed to have a really good soundtrack anyway(the "New" No Doubt song, etc...), but if BT's in the movie....OH YEAH!!!! Maybe they'll play BLUE SKIES!!!!! Oh, I WOULD DIE!!!!!!!!!! Matthew >> This movie is absolutely INCREDIBLE. Go see it whenever you get a chance (or whenever it comes out). I saw it at a film festival and I was absolutely blown away. notoricontent.shootme, jenny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:16:33 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: confessions of a _Pele_ lover I simply don't see how it is possible to pick a *favorite* album. I love each equally, while in a different way. While I pick LE for some help processing my tears, I pick Boys for help processing my anger and despair over my relationships with men, UtP for my processing with my relationships with women and choirgirl for my relationship with myself and daughter (don't judge me so harsh little girl, you got a playboy mommy). To say I love one over another would be impossible. Each is like a friend, not that I like or love each the same, but love the little quirks each has for their own merits. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:39:46 -0500 From: Jeffrey Clark Subject: Re: is bfp everyones least fav? At 06:36 PM 3/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >BfP was definitely my least favorite Tori album too. Then, one day, I threw it >in my computer while I was working and hit "random" play. It was like a >completely different album! I know it sounds stupid, but try listening to it >out of order. I'll bet it will make a difference!>> > >ok little earthquakes is definitely toris most important album....... >but i think that bfp is her best work...it is raw.powerful.emotional....and >wonderful in every way.thoughts?rachel When I first got boys for pele, I got it along with under the pink and hey jupiter, after I'd fallen in love with little earthquakes. I put BfP in, and was like, "what the hell is this crap?" I removed it from my stereo and put under the pink in. It wasn't until a few months ago (two years later) that I listened to boys for pele, and it WAS a completely different album. Now it's one of my favorites. Jeffrey Clark - ayukawa@twcny.rr.com http://home.twcny.rr.com/alliance Systems Coordinator, Sorrow's Sphere http://www.mad-cow.com ICQ #1361234 "We are building a fighting force, or extraordinary magnitude!" -Kentucky Fried Movie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:18:52 -0300 From: Laura Damico Subject: My Tori trip/dream pt.10 Lowell, MA. Last one!!! I forgot to add the last part of the night in Burlington *and* a part of the show that I don't know how I could forget... I was in a very nice spot at the concert so I found myself looking right in Tori's eyes more than a couple of times.. eye contact.. I guess that's the way to say it. amazing. I usually had a big smile during most of the concerts.. but in Burlington during "The Waitress" we all started to do the Hang Ten... so I was looking at the others, and while doing the Hang Ten I had this *huge* smile on my face. When I looked back at Tori, she was looking straight at me and I just kept smiling and "hang ten", and I swear to god, she started smiling and laughed... she had to turn and face the piano... it was amazing for me to see that not only she was causing a reaction in me but she was getting the same from me and the audience.. Anyhow.. right to the post concert experience..after everyone left the concert roundabouts it was Richard, Linda and me... we were walking to the pizza place right at the corner of the venue, when Linda told me it was SNOWING!! I didn't realize it was snow *I had never seen snow before* and that just seemed like very thin rain, as it turned into water as soon as it touched the ground. But then WHOA!!!!! I looked at my sleeve... I started screaming, "they really look like *that*.. they *REALLY* look like THAT!?!!!" I don't have to tell you the look on Richard and Linda's faces .. they were like what are you on? :-D Snowflakes.. I thought that the snowflake symbol was just a representation, I never expected them to have that shape :-) Yes I know it probably sounds tupid for all the people that grew up with snow.. but it was like an amazing discovery for me. :-D We went to the pizza place where we had delicious mushroom pizza and beers.. ahhh I needed a beer. YuM. Richard got a *very* strong drink. The bartender was off and this blonde waitress prepared the drink for him ..and she obviously didn't know what she was doing :-) During our dinner I often left the place and walked to the street just to see the snowfakes on my sleeves.. cool and *very* cold. but amazing! I just *loved* it and was *really* amazed. After I jumped on a roof and wrote something in the snow we got in the car and went to our "Motel 6". The following morning we met yet two more funny coincidences. The first one was Hawley Street right by "Historical Hotel De Ville" in Binghamton. The second one and first for the day, was that as we came out of the room and looked to the left at the end of the corridor there was this "Caton" truck parked right in front of the exit. I have a pic to prove it :-) Half an hour later at the diner where we got yummy yummy food, I got this "paper to put the plate on" (don't know what to call it) and it had some interesting things written on it. Right in the middle of the page there was the "pandora's Box" story :-) I t probably sounds like isolated things that I am making a big bluff about it. But I will never cease to be amazed by all the "connections" and coincidences (if they can be called that) among us. Just like on the 17th of feb.. Richard got calls from the German girls, I called Cynthia(whom I've known for two years now, but never talked to other than ICQ or mail) and right after I hung up with Cynthia's answering machine.. I started listening to the Winter CD that Richard sent me.... *and* he called *me*. anyhow.. I was supposed to write about Lowell.... umm... this is 4 months after that.. *exactly*... so let's see what I remember.... I remember the beautiful landscapes from VT and MA. I remember writing in a piece of paper that there was going to be a Tori interview at a Boston station... Two Toriphiles drove by us and we *had* to share that with them :) After waiting in line for a while I needed to use the restrooms and they let me in the arena... I couldn't have chosen a better time to go in.. Tori was doing soundcheck so I could hear part of it. I met Dor and Gina at the bathroom.. I guess they liked the bathroom excuse too :-) When they opened the doors I was lucky enough that they opened them exactly the opposite way they should've... so I ended up going in first from the "girl" line... but I was stopped for a while because they touched my pocket and I had like 2 pounds of coins ... it's amazing how many coins one can get while traveling through the US (does that remind you of something Richard? ) ;-) So I run, and stopped when Steve told me to, and run again and found a place to the right of the stage, very good place indeed. Michael who was on the line with me (thanks *so* much) ended up in his normal place.. first row center..perfect spot for his RS crazy dance. I was there with Paul, Gina, and Dor. A little more to the right was Matt and Tony. I remember that when the show started, Tori asked Matt Page how many shows there were left till the end of the Tour. She said something like she couldn't believe there were just 10 more.. obviously not the words she used.. It is funny how she sees everybody there..like Matt.. I wonder what did she think about the *big* uruguayan smile that followed her for ten shows... mm but she probably had more to think about the guy with antennas that was to my left, that was a pretty funny character. Anyhow, my notes say that the show was awesome. My memory says that I had a blast and that I couldn't believe it when I heard the drum intro to Girl. As soon as the drums kicked in I was asking "that's Girl isn't it, isn't it" and we were all just asking that ourselves. It was a wonderful version of Girl. The whole setlist was great. She played Space Dog and yes!!! Here. in my head. Another song on the list of songs I wanted to hear :-) And as always I have not much to say about the concert... just because I lack ways to describe such an amazing experience... I guess that I am done with my Tori trip/dream chronicles... until next tour ;-) I really hope that all these typing I've done at least helped to show to some people who might think that a Tori concert is just a dream..... that it can be done.. wherever you are.. you are probably closer to Europe/USA from where I am ;-) it is a wonderful experience and I would definetely do it again... even if I have to save up for another 9 months. The concerts are awesome and the Tori-people are just wonderful too. I should thank Richard once again for being a big part of this dream...... and for putting up with me :-), especially during the Sneak Preview tour, when I was going crazy because I didn't have enough money for a plane ticket ..and thought I was going to miss another tour. Becky, Carolyn, Dor, Elyse, Emi, Gina, Jen, Jeremy, Joey, Kim, Linda, Maria(BlueKeetcha), Marian, Matt, a phone version of Mikewhy :-) , Melanie, Melissa, Megan, Michael, Paul, Phyllis, Shulamis, Tony, Tovi, Tucker, Rurik, Ruth, William, Woj .... and if I left your name out please insert it here < > :) besos para todos and hopefully I'll see you next tour ! Laura. (a very braindead version after a long day at work... )                \\|//                (O-O) - ----------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------------------- ldamico@adinet.com.uy (at home) laura@redfacil.com.uy (at work) http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/3373/index.html ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #78 ************************************