From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #59 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, February 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Request for Tori appearances [Emilita3@aol.com] Re: cover of new jackie [Mireya ] Re: cover of new jackie [Freque79@aol.com] Re: Gumdrops & Saturdays [Beth Coulter ] Re: technical elements of Tori's music? [Jennifer Lynn Roth ] Tori News (The Cranky Greg Mix) [Greg Burrell ] Re: grammy angst [etheldreda ] tori and suzanne vega [shoes ] Re: Possessing the Secret of Tori -Reply [Soraya Quiroga ] odd names [Jenelle Campion ] Re: (Tori-boot) Sessions at West 54th CD-R tree [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: just a bit more rambling [Richard Handal ] Re: cover of new jackie [Pixieqwien@aol.com] Re: Father Lucifer and his magic Beenes. ["Mr Zebra" ] Re: odd names [Freque79@aol.com] Re: Father Lucifer and his magic Beenes. [Beth Coulter ] Re: Possessing the Secret of Tori ["C. F." ] Re: technical elements of Tori's music? [Beth Coulter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:39:08 EST From: Emilita3@aol.com Subject: Request for Tori appearances Hey everyone, I am looking for someone to copy their tape of Tori on Rosie O'Donnell (northern lad), 20/20, MTV Revue and Storytellers for me. If anyone has any or all of these and would be willing to share the wealth, I would pay for postage and the tape of course. I also have a small collection of appearances I could tape for you if you need anything I have. Thank you. In Tori, Emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:53:29 -0800 From: Mireya Subject: Re: cover of new jackie >>well, i just got the new single and i absolutely love the pictures. >>tori looks so gorgeous and I WANT THAT DRESS!!!! it's so awesome! >> >>~~becka > It *is* a pretty dress.... has anyone noticed how long her hair is >now?? I'm almost positive that she's wearing her sparkly apron from the Pluuged tour, not a dress. It looks like a dress, but after watching Sessions, I realized that the pic for the single is Tori in the apron, with nothing on underneath. Either way, it's gorgeous. Mireya ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:10:26 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: cover of new jackie In a message dated 2/25/99 7:31:21 PM Central Standard Time, anya@mosquitonet.com writes: > It *is* a pretty dress.... has anyone noticed how long her hair is now?? > Seems everytime I've seen her, her hair was a lot shorter. It's also a > different color than usual. > Very different. But I absolutely love it! It inspired me to grow my hair > longer. :-) Well.. I don't think her hair looks all that great, especially since there is almost no way it could possibly be HER hair... Her hair was shoulder length at the end of the tour. Hair grows about 1/2 inch per month (give or take) and so there's not a whole lot of likelihood that her hair is anywhere near that long. I'm sure it is extensions or a wig. I love long hair though, and I wish Tori would grow her hair long like she had it when she was younger. :] But I can understand if she doesn't want to go through all of that, since I am trying to grow mine long now and it seems to be taking forever. I never should've shaved it. :] Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:41:57 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Gumdrops & Saturdays At 07:15 PM 2/25/99 EST, Freque79@aol.com wrote: >Well, not to get nitpicky-er, but the sheet music has been known to be wrong >before. :] And I don't think GUNdrops makes very much sense. :] > For butterfly, maybe it is gun. It was written *for* the movie, Higher Learning, about a ghetto based school. There were drive by shootings and the whole urban atmosphere. The soundtrack was 85% urban rap. Tori has an interesting way with word play and it only makes things that more complex. Besides, I think she'd rather have us saying what it makes us think and feel as opposed to what she is saying exactly. Sometimes the words *take away* from the meaning of the song. Sweet Saliva, know what I mean. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:55:39 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Roth Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, as I am the original chellenger to Richard's post. First, a little background on me. I'm in my fourth semester at the Indiana University school of music. I am a voice major and I am TERRIBLE are piano. I have no opportunities as of yet because of my core music requirements to take any classes in jazz, music of the Beatles, rock and roll history, etc. I'm not even studying 20th century compositions like those of Riech and Glass. The theory program here is THE most difficult and comprehensive in the country. I still have limited knowledge of basic music theory, but I will try to shed some light on the technical aspects of Tori's music. First of all, she writes her music in keys other than C, F or G majors - meaning her key signatures have more than one accidental in them. This is uncommon of popular music, where the chord progressions are classic, TSDT (Tonic, Subdominant, Dominant, Tonic) and the songs require only knowledge of 4 chords per key. She uses easy non=harmonic chord tones (notes that are not members of the chord, used for smoother progressions and decoration) such as passing tones and leading tones, she seems to favor suspensions which is common of many classical composers, especially Corelli. Where most pop and rock music are written in the simple meter of 4/4 time, she follows suit, but she uses rhythmic deviations in almost all her songs, like hemiolas and superimposed meter, meaning sometimes both hands are playing against each other. This is a very SPARSE analysis of so much music, I hardly shed any light at all on the subject, BUT, I hope I made some obvious comparisons as to why her music it better then common contemporary artists. The reason I have not written more, is while I'm busy doing all my homework for theory and analyzing the work of Mozart and Bach, I have not had a chance to pour through Tori's music and figure out all her techniques. Also, I do not want to become bored with or tired of her songs because I have spent so much time analyzing it. Some artists need to be kept on a different level than harmonic analysis. I CAN say that her music is more classically based, based more on Tonal music than the newer 20th century pieces enabling us to compare her with the likes of Mozart and Debussy. I also am of the opinion that Tori will be studied more by future generations of musicians, because most artists are more appreciated after they have passed on or thier musical careers are over. I hope this isn't too technical to those non-musically oriented and not too general for those well versed in music theory. Faery blessings, Jenn ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:02:33 PST From: "Thomas Mazorlig" Subject: doughnut song Hi again. I'm reading through somewhat old pthings digests since I rarely check this address anymore due to having other addresses and a severe lack of time. I hope you folks are still on this thread or at least wnat to hear more about it (I still have like 5 more digests to read!). Doughnut Song may be my favorite off of Pele and would rank in like my top 5 all time Tori songs. It really helped me cope after coming out of a shitty relationship with an abuser (yes, there is physical and mental abuse in gay relationships, too). I liked reading the interprets of this song, but I find some very different things in it. Of course that's one of the wondrous things about songs as complex as Tori's: everyone can find something different in them. To me, the major theme of the song is abandonment. The narrator has been left, feels forsaken but hangs on anyway. What the narrator is hanging onto, however, is just a "shade", a figment, because the relationship was never what the narrator thought it was anyway. Now the other person has moved on and replaced the narrator ("you were a sun now/with your very own devoted satellite."). I alwasy took the "hinge that is faltered" to be a reference to the narrator's heart. No matter how the narrator steels herself ("copper to steel"), the hinge is still faulty, it lets the other person in no matter how hard she tries to keep him out. Well, that's my input. I'd have a lot more to say if I had the lyrics in front of me and wasn't at work :-| Tom "We own nothing, nothing is ours Not even love so fierce it burns like baby stars But this poverty is our greatest gift The weightlessness of us as things around begin to shift." Emily Saliers, "Everything in Its Own Time" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:41:41 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Burrell Subject: Tori News (The Cranky Greg Mix) Hi Everybody, 2/26/99 JACKIE'S STRENGTH REMIX SINGLE A new "Jackie's Strength" REMIX single was released this week. It contains: 1. Jackie's Strength: Wedding Cake Edit (4:03) 2. Father Lucifer: Sylkscreen Remix (4:30) 3. Jackie's Strength: Wedding Cake Club Mix (8:40) 4. Jackie's Strength: One Rascal Dub #1 (6:24) 5. Father Lucifer: Sylkscreen Instrumental (4:26) 6. Jackie's Strength: Wedding Cake Meltdown Mix (8:19) 7. Jackie's Strength: One Rascal Dub #2 (5:02) 8. Jackie's Strength: Bonus Beats (2:41) Fans who think "Jackie's Strength" is a beautiful and moving song would do well to steer clear of this single - its been remixed as a cheesy disco song. Sort of a Haddaway meets Tori with extra cheddar on top. And, as a bonus, you get six mind-numbing, endless versions of it! The "Father Lucifer" mixes are not even worth mentioning. For those of us who are suckers...er, collectors, there is also a 12-inch vinyl version of this single. GRAMMY AWARDS Well, Tori didn't win. So, as fans, we all agree that the Grammy Awards are meaningless, inconsequential, wouldn't recognize true talent, and are all about sales. Of course if Tori HAD won then we'd be saying they're extremely meaningful and its good to see they're starting to recognize true talent for a change. :) VH1 STORYTELLERS REPEAT The VH1 "Storytellers" featuring Tori will be re-aired tonight (Friday) at 6pm. That's 6pm in your own local timezone. This is the only upcoming rebroadcast that I know of. Check local listings or the TV Guide web site (www.tvguide.com) for your local channel. Anybody who writes and asks "but when and what channel is it on in MY area?!" will be forced to listen to all eight remixes on the new single. :) -Greg Burrell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: etheldreda Subject: Re: grammy angst i'm not entirely surprised that tori didn't put in an appearance for the grammies. she played in vancouver, BC the night before the MTV music video awards and in between songs she told the crowd about how much she disliked going to hyped awards ceremonies .. with the disclaimer that she shouldn't be telling us that and that journalists shouldn't report what she said if they value the family jewels. :> b. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:30:53 -0500 (EST) From: shoes Subject: tori and suzanne vega hi guys! just wanted to let you all know.. tori is mentioned in one of the stories in suzanne vega's new book! it's about a photo shoot they were both asked to do in the U.K. awhile ago, a women in rock sort of thing, w/ several other people. anyway, suzanne meets tori and talks about hte photo shoot and tori a little. nothing too exciting, just another sighting. :) love, chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:23:37 -0600 From: Soraya Quiroga Subject: Re: Possessing the Secret of Tori -Reply Gina, I would LOVE to hear how CG relates to PSJ. I always took CG to be about the way girls betray eachother, but I should have know it could never be that obvious. >>> gina 02/25/99 06:39pm >>> i completely agree; it's a book everyone should read. however, even though i read this book long before Cornflake Girl ever came out (1st single from utp), i had NO CLUE that cfg had any connection with it. i mean, how could you ever associate cereal references to an alice walker novel? likewise, i was a sandman fan before ever hearing tori, but never connected "neil" and "dream king" from TiYH to neil gaiman (maybe that deserves a big DUH). tori's lyrics are so oblique! thank goodness she gives so many interviews. g. At 02:55 PM 2/25/99 -0600, you wrote: >I know this is an enlightened group, so I urge you all to >read it. I feel like I know Tori, and myself, far better than >I did 24 hours ago. _._ .-' ` __|__ / \ this is not a conclusion |()_()| no revolution \{o o}/ jgs just a little confusion =\o/= ^ ^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:32:27 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Sessions at West 54th CD-R tree Thanks to the wonderific Gina, we have an absolutely pristine CD copy of Tori's appearance on "Sessions at West 54th". She asked for a sucker (err, I mean, volunteer) to run the tree, and myself and Paul stepped up to the challenge. If you're not familiar with a CD-R or tape tree, here's how it works. There are two types of people on the tree: "branches" and "leaves". A branch is someone who can make CD-R copies of the show and is willing to distribute them to leaves. A leaf is someone who doesn't have the ability to make CD-Rs. Once I've received all the applications to be in the tree, I set it up. Leaves will be matched up with branches. I then make copies for the branches of the tree. In turn, the branches make copies for the leaves. This way, we can get a lot of copies of this show out in a remarkably short period of time. This will be a tree for B&P or US$5. Branches MUST be willing to do B&P and US$5. A branch can do a trade with their leaves (if the leaves have anything to trade), but there will be no trades-only branches of this tree. We're trying to spread this CD to everyone, not just those who have CD-R capability. So, what do you need to do to apply to be a branch or a leaf? Fill out the following and email it to the appropriate person. You can cut and paste it into a new email message. Make sure you answer all questions. - -*- cut here -*- Name: Address: City: State/Province: ZIP/Postal Code: Country: Branch or leaf? (If leaf, skip the rest of these questions) What CD writer do you have? Can you make DAO copies? How many leaves are you willing to make copies for? (minimum 3) - -*- cut here -*- Applications for both branches and leaves must be received by Sunday, 07 March 1999. If you are in Europe, email this info to paul@ljwren.demon.co.uk. If you are in the US, email this info to nadyne@rmta.org. If you are not in the US or Europe, email this info to nadyne@rmta.org. If you have any questions, please direct them to nadyne@rmta.org. Feel free to email or post this to any forum you think would be interested. If you do pass it along, please do not edit the content in any way. :) /nad [emailed to: Tori-boot, ToriNews, Precious Things, RDT(RN)] [posted to: The Dent forum] [posted to: rec.music.tori-amos, alt.music.bootlegs] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:16:47 -0500 From: Jenelle Campion Subject: odd names In the bootleg Rare Tracks and Covers who ever named the songs didnt knowthe real names and made them up (i guess). One track is called People Turned Away, which i assume is down by the seaside. But there is another track called Fifteen Hundred Years and i cant place what it really is....can anyone help me out? thanks Jenelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Theater/3288/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:43:45 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: (Tori-boot) Sessions at West 54th CD-R tree To clarify some questions that have been raised: * This is version that was broadcast on PBS, not the complete one. The setlist is as follows: 1) intro by David (ergh, I can never spell his last name) 2) Precious Things 3) i i e e e 4) interview 5) Past the Mission 6) Caught a Lite Sneeze 7) interview 8) Take to the Sky 9) Cooling 10) interview 11) The Waitress * US$5 means five bucks in the States. If you're outside the States, you'll have to contact the appropriate person (Paul Wren for Europeans, me for the rest of the world) to figure something out. * Artwork will be available for download later. Given the varying quality of folks' printers and such, or the cost of making color copies, we decided this would be easiest (and probably least expensive) for all involved. Further questions can be directed to me. :) /nad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:44:55 -0500 From: Jeffrey Clark Subject: Father Lucifer and his magic Beenes. Sorry for the bad subject line pun. Couldn't resist. I picked up the Jackie single the other day. I think it's great. the WC remix is just amazing. Got a question about Father Lucifer though... If I'm not mistaken, there is a part on the album version where there are like, three different parts going on at the same time. In the remix, when it all goes quiet and the thunder rolls, Tori begins singing another part. Is this an "unraveled" version of the same lyrics, or are they different? I don't remember hearing anything about Beene until Choirgirl, and it also mentioned a baby.. If anybody knows what these new(?) lyrics are, could you send them to me? Also, stupid question, but who *is* Beene, anyway? I hear a lot about her lately. Jeffrey Clark - ayukawa@twcny.rr.com http://home.twcny.rr.com/alliance Systems Coordinator, Sorrow's Sphere http://www.mad-cow.com ICQ #1361234 "They say goldfish have no memory, I guess their lives are much like mine, and the little plastic castle is a surprise everytime..." -Ani Difranco ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:26:11 CST From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Re: Possessing the Secret of Tori I read Possessing the Secret of Joy last summer because of Tori, and then I bought it because I thought it was such a great book because I've read it 2 or 3 times now, and once you've read it and you know what's going to happen you can see all these other things going on. And it is a ery inspirable book, it's beautiful, and grotesque...but like, I know after reading that book I wrote about 30 poems based on themes in it, now, I much don't like them anymore mostly because my style has...evolved, we'll say. But, I totally agree to actually grasp a lot of the concepts in Tori's music this book is a must read. I know this isn't a Alice Walker mailing list, but I feel compelled to tell you my favourite line in the book: it's in the first part, and I'm basing this on memory, so I'll probably get it wrong, so, you know. When Tashi is talking about Baba and Lala, and so on and she says I think Lala "stared at her reflection in the pool and kissed her image and held the kiss all the way to the bottom" I messed that up bad, and I don't think it was Lala, but I know you know what I'm talking about if you read that book. That line is absolutely brilliant, as are many others, but definately, I encourage you all to read that book. Love, Hanna ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:02:39 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: just a bit more rambling Rachel said: > so there's been a lot of talk here about collecting all the tori > parafanalia (sp?) and dying hair red to match tori's and being and a > clan and all that sorta good stuff... [paraphernalia] I can't say I relate to a lot of that kind of thing myself, but so long as folks don't bother Tori Amos the person as she lives her life, it doesn't upset me if they engage in behaviors which, from my perspective, may seem to be a bit over the top. (Disclaimer added for conclusion-jumpers: I'm not saying Rachel said it upset her, either.) Some folks would see things I've said or done and judge *me* to have done things which were over the top, and I certainly lose not one moment of sleep over it. And I say, if Jessen or anyone else wants to have multiple tattoos of Tori-related things on their bodies, or if someone has to have 12,983 photos of Tori, more power to them. May it lead them to happiness and peace. > another issue i was pondering was that people don't worship other > artists as much as tori... I don't know why that is, either. Maybe it's because we're taught to look for a God or gods who are bigger and more important than ourselves for answers, rather than within ourselves. This is one reason I've said for some time now that I wish everyone could meet her so they could see how damn human she really is, and put what I see as silly "worship" feelings behind them. I see it as inappropriate, and even likely to interfere in fuller appreciation of the music; but again, if it fulfills a deep-seated need in someone to think of Tori as some kind of a goddess, so long as they're not placing unrealistic expectations on Tori herself and holding them against her when she can't live up to them, then I wish them well. I think they're missing the point, though. Shannon was correct when she said on 20/20 about Tori: "I won't say that she saved my life, because I don't think she'd like that. But she definitely helped me to find the strength to save myself." I've been aware of people telling Tori that she saved them, and she *always* corrects them. She certainly has her head on solidly enough to know better than that. One friend of mine who she told that came to see it her way. I wish everyone else could, too. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:57:24 EST From: Pixieqwien@aol.com Subject: Re: cover of new jackie You know the black and white picture kinda reminded me of the Madonna Single, Ray of Light..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:26:46 -0600 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: Father Lucifer and his magic Beenes. I believe the vocal track that is emphasized on the remix of Father Lucifer is one of the lesser ones on the album version. It's just a lot easier to hear this time. Matthew Lucifer's really someone who wears white and is a woman and drives an ice cream truck. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:02:14 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Subject: Re: Possessing the Secret of Tori can someone explain the cfg connection w/ posessing? wow i totally can't figure that one out! sarah - ---gina wrote: > > > i completely agree; it's a book everyone should read. however, even though > i read this book long before Cornflake Girl ever came out (1st single from > utp), i had NO CLUE that cfg had any connection with it. i mean, how could > you ever associate cereal references to an alice walker novel? > > likewise, i was a sandman fan before ever hearing tori, but never connected > "neil" and "dream king" from TiYH to neil gaiman (maybe that deserves a big > DUH). tori's lyrics are so oblique! thank goodness she gives so many > interviews. > > g. > > > At 02:55 PM 2/25/99 -0600, you wrote: > > >I know this is an enlightened group, so I urge you all to > >read it. I feel like I know Tori, and myself, far better than > >I did 24 hours ago. > > _._ > .-' ` > __|__ > / \ this is not a conclusion > |()_()| no revolution > \{o o}/ jgs just a little confusion > =\o/= > ^ ^ > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:23:33 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: odd names In a message dated 2/27/99 11:42:30 AM Central Standard Time, jenelle@ix.netcom.com writes: > In the bootleg Rare Tracks and Covers who ever named the songs didnt > knowthe real names and made them up (i guess). One track is called People > Turned Away, which i assume is down by the seaside. But there is another > track called Fifteen Hundred Years and i cant place what it really > is....can anyone help me out? In "Thoughts" she sings "1500 years" twice.. So I think that's what that one is from.. I could be wrong. Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:40:26 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Father Lucifer and his magic Beenes. At 11:44 PM 2/26/99 -0500, Jeffrey Clark wrote: If I'm not >mistaken, there is a part on the album version where there are like, three >different parts going on at the same time. In the remix, when it all goes >quiet and the thunder rolls, Tori begins singing another part. Is this an >"unraveled" version of the same lyrics, or are they different? Yes, now all three of the overlaid lyrics have been sung. On the remix you get layer #2 and on Storyteller's she did layer #3 > > Also, stupid question, but who *is* Beene, anyway? I hear a lot about her >lately. Nancy Shanks, Tori's best friend and once upon a time backup singer. Isn't there a PT FAQ around here people? ;) Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:30:54 EST From: Ulini852@aol.com Subject: just some stuff <<< she looks sooooo pretty in the pictures. most of the remixes are pretty good but i dont get the last one. it doesn't sound anything like JS...hmm....maybe it's just me. but anyway "time to wave goodbye now" later, ula ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:18:42 -0500 From: "a carton of 'Sinner Red 100's'" Subject: Re: odd names >But there is another track called Fifteen Hundred Years and i cant place what >it really is....can anyone help me out? Isn't that from "Thoughts?" I'm almost positive. Are the first two lines "Thoughts right now...I picked up a magazine...?" loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "oh look...carkeys! bye!" - Ani - will work for sex: http://travel.to/desolate.winters ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:40:33 -0600 From: the glitter girl Subject: Re: Father Lucifer and his magic Beenes. Jeffrey Clark wrote: > different parts going on at the same time. In the remix, when it all goes > quiet and the thunder rolls, Tori begins singing another part. Is this an > "unraveled" version of the same lyrics, or are they different? I don't same lyrics. the ones in the pele liner notes:(I) Every day's my wedding day, Though Baby's still in his comatose state. I'll die my own Easter eggs Just don't go yet, Just don't go. And Beenie lost the sunset, but that's okay. [maybe my favorite tori lyric ever] Does Joe bring flowers to Marilyn's grave? And girls that eat pizza and never gain weight never gain weight never gain weight. then there's two other parts. i'm getting these from http://surf.to/markydude, The Fairie's Revenge: (II) Go away and leave. Lee glassed your G, girl, Your fa'rites. Skiddily-dee and in G's... Never could go so fast. Go away and leave. Lee glassed your G's, girl Your fa'rite there. She goes there. She goes there. She goes... (III) So maybe she's hiding in her heart of gold. Got a pig hiding a truffle Wearing those purple garters. And girl, I got a condo in Hoboken. > Also, stupid question, but who *is* Beene, anyway? I hear a lot about her lately. beenie is tori's best friend. she sings on little earthquakes. she was tori's masseuse (masseur?) on the dew drop inn tour. have a nice day, bessie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:19:44 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Gumdrops & Saturdays At 04:05 PM 2/27/99 -0500, Erika and Alan Lewis wrote: >Normally i let things that bug me go, but this description is definatly NOT >what Higher Leraning is about. I humbly apologize. When I picked up the soundtrack I asked what the movie was about. That is what I was told. Perhaps a similer movie to what I discribed was out at the same time and the dude confused them. Who knows? At least I got the description of the soundtrack right. Ain't that worth a point? huh?? Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:31:52 EST From: "C. F." Subject: Re: Possessing the Secret of Tori I just happened to be reading the book at the moment, so I thought to send the line you were talking about along.... "So, one hot day when she could not tolerate the shrieks and groans of Baba and Lala as they tried o tear each other's ears off because of her, Lara, who by now was quite indifferent to them both, leaned over and kissed her own reflection in the water and held the kiss all the way to the bottom of the stream". I can't wait to get further into the book to see what everyone is talking about concerning its influence on Tori's songs....YAY!! Cheerios! Carly >From: "Hanna Paulus" >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Possessing the Secret of Tori >Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:26:11 CST >Reply-To: "Hanna Paulus" > > >I read Possessing the Secret of Joy last summer because of Tori, and >then I bought it because I thought it was such a great book because I've >read it 2 or 3 times now, and once you've read it and you know what's >going to happen you can see all these other things going on. And it is >a ery inspirable book, it's beautiful, and grotesque...but like, I know >after reading that book I wrote about 30 poems based on themes in it, >now, I much don't like them anymore mostly because my style >has...evolved, we'll say. But, I totally agree to actually grasp a lot >of the concepts in Tori's music this book is a must read. > >I know this isn't a Alice Walker mailing list, but I feel compelled to >tell you my favourite line in the book: it's in the first part, and I'm >basing this on memory, so I'll probably get it wrong, so, you know. >When Tashi is talking about Baba and Lala, and so on and she says I >think Lala "stared at her reflection in the pool and kissed her image >and held the kiss all the way to the bottom" > >I messed that up bad, and I don't think it was Lala, but I know you know >what I'm talking about if you read that book. That line is absolutely >brilliant, as are many others, but definately, I encourage you all to >read that book. > >Love, > >Hanna > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:08:08 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? At 01:55 AM 2/26/99 -0500, Jennifer Lynn Roth wrote: >I hope this isn't too technical to those non-musically oriented and not >too general for those well versed in music theory. > In other words, Todays "Masters" were booed off the stage in their day. They weren't called starving artists for nothin'. They got "patrons" who paid their bills but weren't really considered "serious" for the day. Such is with Tori. She is a Pop-Rock-*insert lable here* Goddess and most teachers would view her as not serious. But to me, at times, she rivals Mozart and others for *serious* song writing. Hell, just look at Pandora's Aquarium. That's *really* classical in parts. Fairy Blessings, Beth ************************************************************* *Everyone has talent. *What is rare is the courage *to follow the talent *to the dark place where it leads. - Erica Jong +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ *I gave my life to become the person I am. *Was it worth it? -Richard Bach- ************************************************************* *Where I was born and where and how I have lived is unimportant. * It is what I have done with where I have been that should be of interest. -- Georgia O'Keefe *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~really deep thoughts~ updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:05:05 -0500 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Re: Gumdrops & Saturdays Beth Said... >For butterfly, maybe it is gun. It was written *for* the movie, Higher >Learning, about a ghetto based school. There were drive by shootings and >the whole urban atmosphere. Normally i let things that bug me go, but this description is definatly NOT what Higher Leraning is about. Higher Learning is not a movie about a "ghetto based school" nor are there any drive by shootings. The movie is about a college, your genaric one with a green quad and a tower with a staue on it. The movie tells the story of a few various people going through various stages in there lives. One character is trying to come to terms with her sexuality, another is a kinda country boy who's not doing well and turns to a white- supremist group for a group to indetify with, and finally there is a character who is an athlete who is trying to deal with issues of race. Eventually, a girl (the athlete's girl friend) is shot when the white supremist guy goes kinda nuts. (sorry if thats not a terribly clear explantion, but i only saw it once about 4 years ago)... Butterfly is played at the end, and its very moving to hear the beautiful light piano (you can just bearly hear her voice) behind the action during the resolution of the film. So, "gundrops" could refer to the raining down of bullets on the people when the shooting occurs in the movie, or "gumdrops" somehow as a loss of innocence (this is just a suggestion that might fit with the movie, i might be *totally* off base because i never really thought about the lryics in butterfly, i just love the piano) So, in the future i suggest you see a movie before you comment about its content. Be Well everyone Erika - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "so then love walked up to like, and said i know that you don't like me much let's go for a ride " "some things only she knows" -- Tori Amos -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Tori News (The Cranky Greg Mix) Greg Burrell said: > Fans who think "Jackie's Strength" is a beautiful and moving song > would do well to steer clear of this single - its been remixed as > a cheesy disco song. I see no reason to exclude the possibility that someone might conceivably enjoy both the album versions and the remixes. As for me, I *do* enjoy the album version a great deal--so much so that the first time I spoke with Tori after the promo which included Jackie was released I told her it was the most emotional song she ever wrote. (I'd like to put a finer point on that and say that I thought it was the most emotional *recording* she'd ever made.) I've spent a good portion of this afternoon looking for this single with the remixes. I heard it at a friend's earlier this week and enjoyed it. The idea of remixes and how they relate to original recorded versions of songs reminds me of how I think of colorized films. Actually, "colorized film" is an oxymoron. *Videotapes* of films are colorized. The celluloid film itself remains unscathed by the colorist's process, and in fact, gorgeous, pristine black and white prints typically are struck before color is added to a film on videotape, meaning that if anything, those who wish to experience only the original B&W version may get to see a better print than had the film not been colorized in the first place. What I'm trying to say is that the album version of Jackie has not been diminished in any manner by virtue of it having been remixed into dance versions. All the copies of the choirgirl albums and the regular singles in peoples' record collections do not shrivel up once the remixes are released. The only problem I see is if someone hears mainly the remixed versions of a song and it becomes what the song is for them at the mental exclusion of the original version. That seems something of a pitfall to me, but hey--if someone is inspired by hearing a remixed song to check out the original version, I say that's only a good thing. I heartily suggest if someone doesn't like the remixes or thinks they might not, to try to listen to them before buying them, and if they dislike them, let alone if they are offended by them, maybe not buying them would be the better course of action for them to take. Collecting something one doesn't like doesn't seem to me to be a good idea. > GRAMMY AWARDS > Well, Tori didn't win. So, as fans, we all agree that the Grammy > Awards are meaningless, inconsequential, wouldn't recognize true > talent, and are all about sales. Of course if Tori HAD won then > we'd be saying they're extremely meaningful and its good to see > they're starting to recognize true talent for a change. :) I'm sorry you're having a bad day, Greg. I hope things improve for you. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #59 ************************************