From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #56 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, February 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: tori ramble bamble mamble lamble camble ramble ["a carton of 'Sinner ] Re: technical elements of Tori's music? ["a carton of 'Sinner Red 100's'"] grammys [Hicky3000@aol.com] Obsession . . . my favorite perfume, actually . . . [becky ] Re: technical elements of Tori's music? ["spark" ] Re: Storyteller's Tuesday Afternoon @ 5 [ABallezzi@aol.com] the "I" perspectives in tori's lyrics ["spark" ] Jackie's Strength remixes ["Heather Parsons" ] Tori A. and the Mixx Master DeLight. [Skylar2@aol.com] father lucifer [the glitter girl ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:38:29 -0500 From: "a carton of 'Sinner Red 100's'" Subject: Re: tori ramble bamble mamble lamble camble ramble >this really gets to me, because what really is "obsessed?" is there a good >definition of it? Personally, I see obsession as a point to where you're completely blind, and you worship this figure of obsession. I do not worship Tori, nor do I see her as superhuman. She sleeps, she pees, and she gets bills everymonth...AND she pays her taxes every year...yes yes, she's human ;) (hee) But um, as for obsession, it is like beauty...it is in the eyes of the beholder. Some of my friends will swear on their graves that I am "obsessed" with Tori meanwhile I just see her as "a really wonderful friend that never lets me down." loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "oh look...carkeys! bye!" - Ani - will work for sex: http://travel.to/desolate.winters ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:33:04 -0500 From: "a carton of 'Sinner Red 100's'" Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? >Btw, when I was an undergraduate, the music department offered a course in >the Music of the Beatles. It may not have been a classic theory course, >but it filled up within hours every semester :) Since she's so hard to >pidgeonhole, with any luck, a new category of music may emerge to encompass >Tori's music (or maybe she'll define it)! It just goes to show how students and youth enjoy classes that are appealing to them...why do you think I dread UnitedStates History and Government (are you falling asleep yet?) If there was a course that studied the theory of Tori...not only musically, but as a philosophy, they would need auditoriums to hold the classes. loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "oh look...carkeys! bye!" - Ani - will work for sex: http://travel.to/desolate.winters ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:09:46 EST From: Hicky3000@aol.com Subject: grammys does anyone know if tori will attend the grammy awards tomorrow? danny http://www.afterglow.cjb.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:19:53 -0500 From: becky Subject: Obsession . . . my favorite perfume, actually . . . Hello, all. Well, I will say that I am, indeed, obsessed . . .but I'm not crazy like some in the Tori world. Here's the standard definition and let's see if it fits anyone on this list: to obsess, according to Webster means "to preoccupy the mind with an idea or emotion". So, yes, I'm obsessed and I'm gonna presume that you all are, too. The definition doesn't make it sound like it's bad. If some of you will remember, I was the girl that wanted to branch out musically and wanted you to help me out. Well, it really didn't work. I tried getting into REM and Bjork, but, emotionally, they just can't sate me the way that Tori can. She's magical and I am not willing to go through a withdrawal of the drug she casts out through her music. She's the best. Some people are equally into sports, religion, the theatre - of course, one of my obsessions because that's what I do, etc. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Vive la Tori!!!! Amen. becky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:00:28 -0600 From: the glitter girl Subject: you never looked so sane ok, i need interpretations of what's going on in father lucifer. thoughts, anyone? thanks, bessie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:57:07 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? >I play the piano, and bought all of Tori's music folios to teach myself >from. Let me tell you, maybe I am not as good as some of the pianists >out there, but I know impressive piano work when I see it. I can tell >you in all honesty (no biases here :) ), I've seen it repeatedly with >Tori. > >Amy, the choirgirl i agree.i play the piano for ten years now ,and i'm in the music school in which they don't teach jazz,but we study harmony and structure in baroque/classic/romantic/impressionism/and some more very deeply.and i'm very impressed by the way tori do it(write).for what i've discovered,she is very attached to impresionism (horses and the whole UtP album for example+she said somewhere Debussy was a great influence for her), and she has a great knowledge about the chords and their structure in the keys.her modulations are not naive at all.also,i see that you have 'folios'(the word i'm not familiar to),so does that mean sheet music for piano.cuz if it is,i'm VERY interested in getting it.if you can help me with that i would appreciate it a great deal! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:54:22 EST From: ABallezzi@aol.com Subject: Re: Storyteller's Tuesday Afternoon @ 5 hi..... i missed the storytellers.....yet again.... but i was wondering if anyone knew if VH-1 was going to re-air it sometime soon? i have a feeling they will..... they have this tendency to repeat things a coupla 100 times:) thanks for any info! tori kisses, Anna-Marie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:43:51 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: the "I" perspectives in tori's lyrics hey,i see that the 'tori's lyrics/who is she in her songs 'discussion is stopped,so i'm sending you all the tori qoute i just got from E.L. Perry. it was a big revelation for me when i read it ,cuz it confirmed some thoughts i had on the subject of 'her' in her song,etc.i guess you all are subscribed to this and got it ,but i'm still sending you this,so we can continue our little debate. "The songs aren't just about me, that's a misconception. Yes, I'm a character in them, but the character changes; sometimes you think I'm singing from the point of view of the maiden we love so well, but sometimes I'm Lucifer. You don't necessarily know what's going on in my mind cause I don't tell you that. I may be identifying with the schmuck who's hurting this person because I'm being a bit of a devil that week. I may choose to be her and I may hate her guts. That's the craft of songwriting. I'm not just a confessional songwriter." - -Tori Amos - -Attitude Magazine, 5/98 also,i sent this big letter on the list (re:re:re:re:...trent and tori) considering tori's words and music which i think is at least interesting IMHO.were you bored with it or what,cuz i thought i'll get some feedback love and i feel isolation spark spark@eunet.yu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:27:32 PST From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: Jackie's Strength remixes Hey guys, So I picked up the new Jackie's Strength remix single today -- and I have mixed (ha!) feelings about it. First -- the artwork is very interesting, or at least the pictures of Tori anyway. I've never quite seen Tori like this before. It's cool. =) As for the remixes themselves...I dunno. There's 6 for Jackie and 2 for Father Lucifer, and...hmmmm. The JS remixes pretty much sound the same - -- in fact, I can honestly say the two Father Lucifer remixes (the Sylkscreen Remix and the Sylkscreen Instrumental) are worth the single alone, in my opinion. I like them the best (though I wished they'd managed to keep that horn in -- you know where I mean?). The JS remixes are just not my cup of tea, I guess. It's not that I don't MIND remixes (the Ambient Rasperry Swirl -- Scarlet Spectrum Feels and the Mainline Cherry -- Ambient Spark are just BRIL, especially the Spark remix, IMO, and of course a few of the Professional Widow remixes), but Jackie's Strength seemed such an odd choice to me. I think it's GREAT that DJs are remixing Tori, don't get me wrong, but why this song? I realize it's somewhat unique, but 1) I think the way Jackie's Strength comes across on FTCH is the way it was meant to BE, you know? and 2) there are other songs I would much prefer to hear remixes of off FTCH -- like i i e e e (especially this one), Liquid Diamonds, and Hotel (god -- could you IMAGINE?). Hell, even She's Your Cocaine would be GREAT for remixing. I just think Jackie's Strength is perfect the way it is, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Soooo...not the most satisfying of Tori purchases, but I'm glad I did buy it. =) (As if there were any question I WOULDN'T...) Heather =============================== "To absent friends, lost loves, old gods, and the season of mists; and may each and every one of us always give the devil his due." Dream Country http://gemz.net/sienna/dream ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:42:41 EST From: Skylar2@aol.com Subject: Tori A. and the Mixx Master DeLight. spoilers ? ? ? new Tori Amos vinyl and cd in hand, i must say, i am less than pleased. not that i actually think the record industry does revolve around me, consumer number six billion and seventy two, but still... In my opinion, the remixes have made the song Jackie's Strength sound like, well, like everything else. As for rythym, sure these songs have Beat, but they don't have, as tori would put it, Bottom. Think about it. lights dark, screams racing around the arena, Precious Things begins. good, huh? kinda rattles your soul, makes even your teeth feel something close to ecstasy? i think this is what tori means by Bottom. she uses this word when talking about her decision to bring a band along when playing even originally stark songs like Horses and Bells for Her. they bring depth to the whole gang, make the sound fill out more. it's not just a collection of instruments - guitar, drum set, etcetera. for the most part it's Tori's songs, her piano, her melodies, words, and voice. Listen to the JS remixes. to me the parts with the most soul (and i'm not talking about James Brown soul here) are the parts where Tori's voice is emphasized and the music fades away. As for Father Lucifer, Tori herself already 'remixed' this song. it was called plugged, and she played it all last year on tour. Matt's drums, tori's bosey and vocals, and the rest of the arrangement churned this song up and frothed it out for us in a whole new light. proving the point that Tori's music is wonderful, amazing, etc because it is Hers... and because of the way she is able to re-invent and play it. these annoying drum loops and synth beats, the stuttering tori voice forced to repeat 'DAY' sixteen Hundred times, might strike my fancy when i'm high and at a club dancing. . . or just at a club, sticky, sweaty, claustrophobic. i digress. Listening to Flying Dutchman performed solo at the piano by Tori moves me more than re-mixed, re-dubbed versions of her songs, done by other people. by Moving me, i don't mean to tears, although it can do that too. i mean actually - -moving me- across the room, around in circles, even just writhing on my chair. i don't need a literal chick-a-boom to do that for me. i actually think the Cruel, Raspberry, and Spark re-mixes were closer to the music, faithful to the original soul of each song. This Jackie stuff just tastes like cotton in my mouth. my point, if i have one, is that i love the plugged 're-mixes' of tori's music. i loved the way the girls evolved on tour. i loved the way they stretched and morphed. so i don't have a stubborn allegiance to the 'old' songs or anything. i just think these people have turned JS into music for the masses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:23:45 -0600 From: the glitter girl Subject: father lucifer ok guys, i wanna know what you think of father lucifer, so i'll tell you what i think. please comment!!! tell me where i'm wrong and tell me why :) i'd especially appreciate any info about joe and marilyn. thanks, bessie Hey... *piano like skipping down the road, 4/4, sort of playful* Hey... Mmm... Father Lucifer, you never looked so sane. You always did prefer the drizzle to the rain. Tell me that you're still in love with that milkmaid. How are the Lizzies? How's your Jesus Christ been hangin'? *so she's sitting down for tea with lucifer. time to sort things out. i've heard so much Stuff about you lets just sift through it and git to know one another For Real sort of thing. he always preferred the drizzle to the rain--so calm and even with the potential for powerful destructive passion but not showing it. still in love with the milkmaid--i'm a bit fuzzy here, but isn't there a snake (lucifer = serpent) folk stories say will steal milk from the cows? the lizzies--Joseph Campbell (no i haven't got crystals up my ass) talks about the lizzies in one of his books (one of those _The Masks of God_ books?). the lizzies are Campbell's word for the slimy devious embarrassing evil things inside us. Jesus--well. growing up in catholic school with a devout catholic family i thought about jesus a lot. and Jesus's dad kicked Lucifer out of heaven. now i am immediately fascinated by anyone/thing my dad doesn't want around. so i always wondered if jesus would sometimes sneak off to watch lucifer and be kind of envious, want to play. the stuff lucifer did was so different from what Jesus's dad was busy doing, there must've been some fearful fascination. so maybe lucifer caught jesus spying one day and let him come see what he does. i think jesus would prolly like to hang out with lucifer, some. not to be like him, but just to be away from the expectations of everybody who knows he's the Son of God--i'm sure jesus could talk to lucifer about things he couldn't tell anyone else. so that's what i think of here, but obviously tori may have had something really different in mind. anyway, so this is the beginning 'let's talk about you' chat when she and lucifer sit down for tea.* Hah... *some electric guitar and a little trumpet come jog with the piano, softly* Nothing's gonna stop me from floating. Nothing's gonna stop me from floating. *she's asserting her independence. yeah i'm hear talking to you, lucifer, but i'm still me and we're just hanging out, don't get any ideas.* *bye bye guitar and bass* Ha... *the trumpet comes to talk, too, but it's not very assertive. just kind of says yeah, um hmm, i guess. it's listening and nodding* He says he reckons I'm a watercolor stain. He says I run, and then I run from him, an' then I run. He didn't see me watching from the aeroplane. He wiped a tear and then he threw away our appleseed. *now lucifer talks about her, and how he sees her. i'm a watercolor stain--she doesn't seem big enough to be taken seriously, any mark she makes can be washed away. i run from him--she's too timid and won't explore her lizzies. me watching--he doesn't realize how much she sees and understands about him. wiped a tear, threw away the appleseed--we've come full circle with the garden of eden deal. now lucifer is throwing away the seed--the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil won't even grow to give her that forbidden knowledge.* *guitar's back jogging along, trumpet knows something the guitar doesn't so he's a little proud of getting let in on the secret and talks a bit more. piano keeps doing her thing* Nothing's gonna stop me from floating. Nothing's gonna stop me from floating. *that's what you think, lucifer, but you really don't have any power over me haha* *now the piano asserts herself and yells hell yeah! and the guitar comes back and the trumpet says hi. this is the part where she and lucifer put down their tea cups and dance" Hey, yes... *and then two voices with tinkling piano and occasional encouragement from the trumpet:* (I) Every day's my wedding day, Though Baby's still in his comatose state. I'll die my own Easter eggs, *trumpet swells and your heart does too and your chest is so tight you know it'll explode* Just don't go yet. Just don't go. *my wedding day--she's going to make a new strong beginning every day, even when Stuff sucks (i.e. baby's comatose). die my own easter eggs--even when she's dying inside she can rise again and recreate herself. don't go--but wait, i know i said i'm strong and can do it by myself, but i didn't really want you to leave yet...don't leave me.* (II) Go away and leave. Lee glassed your G, girl, Your fa'rites. Skiddily-dee and in G's... Never could go so fast. *go away i'm big i can do it by myself. she says this while she begs him to stay--she's a little girl stomping her foot. i have no idea what's going on with lee and the g's* *piano takes off, we can do this, running, quietly. a third vocal part joins in* (I) And Beenie lost the sunset, but that's okay. Does Joe bring flower to Marilyn's grave? And girls that eat pizza and never gain weight... Never gain weight... Never gain weight... *beenie lsot the sunset, that's ok--beenie is tori's best friend. you have to hear this line from a live performance to really feel it, i think. but after that it's the words you repeat over and over and over to yourself on the days when everything goes to hell and you're just promising you won't kill yourself today cause you know it's just your hormones freaking out. joe (dimaggio) to marilyn (monroe)'s grave--ah, yes. girls that eat pizza, never gain weight--ok she's jealous but it's the same deal as joe and marilyn. it seemed like it coulda been a great thing, but it's not real. she's reassuring herself that she's strong and good even if she can't keep the pizza off her thighs.* (II) Go away and leave. Lee glassed your G's, girl, Your fa'rite there. She goes there. She goes there. She hee... hee... go... *ok she's a big girl. she's gonna be strong and independent. adios, lucifer, for real. the bitch with the pizza can do it, so can i* (III) So maybe she's hiding in her heart of gold. Got a pig hiding a truffle Wearing those purple garters. And girl, I got a condo in Hoboken. *so maybe Pizza-Bitch has got some secret she's hiding away. it doesn't matter, the girl dancing iwth lucifer has got purple garters. purple--royalty, bold, powerful. she's going for it. and if it doesn't work, she can always go hide away in hoboken.* *piano skips merrily away, sounds like beginning. trumpet is nodding in the background* Hi... Mmm... Yes... Hum... Mmm... Father Lucifer, you never looked so sane. You always did prefer the drizzle to the rain. Tell me that you're still in love with that milkmaid. How are the Lizzies? How's your Jesus Christ been hangin'? *now that she's danced with him, she's way more comfortable. she's confronted her lizzies and she's got it under control, with a safe hiding place if she needs it. she can have a margarita with lucifer when it's time, but now she can go skipping tripping home.* Hmm... Mmm... *piano resolves everything quietly* ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #56 ************************************