From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #55 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, February 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 055 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: cooling... ["Plain Jane" ] Re: cover of new jackie ["Shaigirl 19/f" ] Re: thoughts on storytellers [Beth Coulter ] Re: Happy anniversary Tori! [Dangalee@aol.com] gift basket [speasl@advant.net (Speasl, Joel)] Looking for Silver [plugged99@webtv.net (Rob Flores)] Re: tori in strange places ["Amy Belden" ] Re: doughnut song [gina ] ARE YOU OUT THERE? [Torium@aol.com] Re: tori ramble bamble mamble lamble camble ramble [MoneekaEWF@aol.com] Storyteller's Tuesday Afternoon @ 5 [Beth Coulter ] Re: doughnut song and other thoughts [bachelorette ] Tulsa pictures - a plea [Thorpie679@aol.com] Re: technical elements of Tori's music? ["Amy Belden" ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #54 ["Sarah A. Stanley" ] Storytellers CD-r? [Soraya Quiroga ] Re: Can Someone Help Me with a Quote? [NerrrdGirl@aol.com] Re: Alamo Talula single [Erinita@aol.com] Re: Storyteller's Tuesday Afternoon @ 5 [Freque79@aol.com] Re: [toriandmore] Tori Handwritten Booklet...help? [Sarah ] just a bit more rambling [NerrrdGirl@aol.com] Re: cooling... [Sarah ] Re: technical elements of Tori's music? [Richard Handal ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:07:12 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: Re: cooling... cooling is one of my most favoritest songs. i mean i know we all have lotsa torifavorites.but i'm dead serious. it's like in my top 3. i love it all. the words..the music. the way her voice changes during the end.. i think i may have sent my interpretation to the list before..or mebbe it was just to some specific person taht asked.. either way here it is.. "Maybe i didn't like to hear, but i still can't believe speedracer is dead" - -not being able to admit it, admitting that whatever it is..it's gone..a love, a life, a person, yourself..something.. "so then i thought i'd make some plans but fire thought she'd rilly rather be water instead" - -simply what it says...the best line i think tori has ever written.. my favorite of all tori lines...of all lines in any song actually. the fact that you think you'll do something..but then realize, whatever you are..isn't what you want to be. "and peggy got a message for me from jesus but i've heard every word that you have said" - -you've been told over and over again..the same thing..and you already knew it...mebbe you didn't realize it..but it was there.. like the elephant in the room philosophy.. "and i know i have been driven like the snow" - -purity. "but this is cooling faster than i can" - -something is gone...and you don't want it to be. "but do i hate what she is or do i want to be her" - -jealousy. "and don't we love something fresh anything new or virgin" - -purity. the need for those things.. to be slightly graphic for an example, some guys rilly get off on having sex with virgins. "but woman you've got too many brambles hiding under these bushes" - -a hidden secret...there are too many and no one wants to know about them anymore this to me seems very sad "but i always liked a good storm always good for a storm" - -you know you're always fighting something.. it's depressing tho.. because you don't rilly want to fit. "so then love walked up to like and said i know that you don't like me much lets go for a ride" - -ever fallin for someone and they haven't for you? then you know all about this.. "this ocean is wrapped around that pinapple tree" - -two things meeting it's filled with a sexual inudendo to the brim if you ask me. "and if your place in heaven worth giving up these kisses" - -2 theories.. one would be...cheating. are you prepared to cheat on a lover is it rilly worth it? 2...is doing something not morally right worth it i usually think about the cheating thing 'cause a lot of times i relate the song to relationships i'm in...or am um..currently not being in :P so there ya go. heh this is my abundance of thoughts on cooling... hope that helps.. >i was pondering cooling last nite while i was sleeping and listening >at the same time. don't you just love it when a song rips you out of >you sleep cuz you think you may have gotten a little piece of it then >come to find out the lil piece you got doesn't help at all? well >that's kinda what cooling has been teasing me w/ lately. > >ok basically what i thought was a revelation was just the basics that >i had never really thought about before. i'm going to write down my >interps later but i'd really love to hear some other ponderings about >this and read them after i post mine cuz you know i'll prob >subconsciously steal everyone's interps. this song confuses me but >maybe i have the jist of it from my standpoint anyway. > >sarah > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > _____________________ she is always and never the same _____________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:31:46 PST From: "Shaigirl 19/f" Subject: Re: cover of new jackie anyone have a pic of the new JS cover? I havent seen it yet! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:09:07 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: thoughts on storytellers At 08:19 PM 2/22/99 EST, DALV2@aol.com wrote: >I know that she made some comments to the audience of the concert she had the >night after she recorded it, and she said something like "If anyone every asks >you to do VH1's storytellers.......run away screaming" or something to that >effect. I wonder why the event was so upsetting to her. I mean, it's not >like Tori isn't used to getting personal with her fans! Maybe something >happend with the storyteller's staff to upset her....which would show up in >her performance. Well, just some food for thought. Toodles! Her comment was to kill yourself. The simple answer to this question is that the director thought not only could he *tell* Tori what to do, he could tell her *how* to do it. She was ultra-pissed by the time she redid "Cornflake Girl". She was just starting to get into the show, getting into "the groove", intimate and friendly, and the director stopped her and demanded that the guys come back on and redo some stuff that had audio/vidio mess ups. She was furious and said quite rationally during a heated discussion with said director, "When this is over, I'm going to kill myself". It was a stressful time for her for many, many reasons. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:32:09 EST From: Dangalee@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy anniversary Tori! so it's really cool that the new Jackie's Strength single was released on Tori & Mark's first anniversary ;-) since the song is about her wedding day and all... j'ason ~~ Toriphoria - the Word of Tori Amos http://members.aol.com/dangalee/toriphoria.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:44:16 -0600 From: speasl@advant.net (Speasl, Joel) Subject: gift basket Would everyone who is helping with the gift basket of tori stuff for the ears with feet in the hospital, please e-mail me . i'm just trying to figure out when to plan the suprise party for her. If any of you are interested in helping please let me know ASAP. i need all the help with this that i can get=+) love&faerie Blessings, raerae ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:57:45 -0600 (CST) From: plugged99@webtv.net (Rob Flores) Subject: Looking for Silver Hi. A 'Silver' sent me a package in the mail containing two blank video tapes. There's no note inside with what I am supposed to tape. Please contact me. -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:49:38 PST From: "Amy Belden" Subject: Re: tori in strange places I am also amazed at the places I have been hearing Tori played lately. First I heard Girl played while I was studying in a Starbucks coffee house. Then I heard Blue Skies played in a 24 Hour Fitness center. Probably the strangest of all, was when I heard an a cappella Stanford choir sing Blue Skies. They actually covered a Tori song! Now that is one choir group I'd like to be in! :) In Tori, Amy, the choirgirl "Some things only she knows" ~Tori Amos "Would you even tell her if you decide to make the sky fall?" ~Tori Amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:54:23 -0800 From: gina Subject: Re: doughnut song hi, i kinda missed this thread, but when tori played an L.A. morning news show 3 years ago, she said, "it's not about the doughnut--it's about the hole." she had a very defiant look in her eye. it was a very angry time for her, it seems. g. K. Fischer wrote: > > I've enjoyed reading all the different interpretations people have > of this song. I never thought of the "doughnut hole" as any sort of sexual > symbolism before. I always thought of the line "you never gain weight from ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:41:51 EST From: Torium@aol.com Subject: ARE YOU OUT THERE? Hallo! Hallo! Hallo! This is Dink from Austin - you know who you are, please email me! I got some great news!! Take To The Sky, Dink :)~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:52:10 EST From: MoneekaEWF@aol.com Subject: Re: tori ramble bamble mamble lamble camble ramble In a message dated 2/22/1999 8:31:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jenelle@eden.rutgers.edu writes: << Ive done alot of thinking about this myself. People have called me obsessed, but it never seemed to be a good dexcription of what i felt. >> ok. this subject is sort of odd. people always say this about me, and i'm not even as into Tori as other people (in terms of what i have and how much...blah blah.) but really. in our school newspaper, there is a column each issue and one lucky person gets it and can devote it to anything their little heart desires. well, i wrote mine on Tori and how i'm not really "obsessed". heh, i gave it the headline "Obsession that really isn't" and i wrote about the lyrics and words and meanings behind things...not just about collecting stuff and having things at the tips of my fingers. you know? this really gets to me, because what really is "obsessed?" is there a good definition of it? maybe taking things too far, but if i want to spend my time and money on Tori, who says that there is a limit...I am not foolish, and i would never take it to that level. errr. oh well. my thoughts. mon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:01:57 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Storyteller's Tuesday Afternoon @ 5 According to TVGuide (the in-print one), Storytellers has an additional repeat tonight at 5PM on VH1. Set your lives accordingly. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:02:19 -0600 From: bachelorette Subject: Re: doughnut song and other thoughts umm... i don't think so, tori always talked about how this song just *came* to her at the last minute and the other musicians were a little annoyed. she said a little something about the record being done and then this happened and how it was her favourite at various shows during DDI. At 10:09 PM 2/22/99 EST, Plain Jane wrote: > >Wowsers. > >heh. it was graphic ;) > >but i think you made lotsa good points. >i mean i never thought about it that way. >but wow. >i can see it now. > >barb > >>WARNING: This interpretation is rather graphic. Read at your own risk. >> >>*nods* Listen to this quote from the UtP days, I think she's referring >to >>doughnut song: (Musician, 94.) >> >>"I'm writing a song right now about, no matter what I >>try to do, this person doesn't want what I want. Now, anybody can >>understand that. I mean, how can you not want to sip a yummy chocolate >>soda or touch feet together? *Even if you're the person who doesn't >want >>it.* It doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on. The rapist >>knows"Me and a Gun." The boyfriend of the girl who was raped knows "Me >and a >>Gun,"because he's had to live through it in a different way. The >parents of >>the girl....We could go on and on. But on this new song, they're so >>afraid of getting hurt that they won't open their heart. They *know*." >... >>Kahlan :) > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _________________________________ _________________________________ >>i'm a fountain of blood _________________________________ http://members.xoom.com/notsosoft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:36:29 EST From: Thorpie679@aol.com Subject: Tulsa pictures - a plea hi :) first of all, sorry for cross posting this, but i want to make sure it gets to everyone. second of all....i'm *desperately* looking for ANYONE who has pictures from the 10/6/98 Tulsa, OK post-show meet and greet. i could care less of the quality, i just really really really want the pictures(copies, of course). they would mean the world to me. i know there were a lot of flashes going off that night, so PLEASE, anyone who has pictures, PLEASE email me!!! (Thorpie679@aol.com) i'm willing to trade boots, pictures (i have a TON of good ones).....please please please PLEASE :::begging::: email me if you have them. it would make me soooooo incredibly happy. :::on knees::: thank you soooooo much :):) .christa. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:41:21 PST From: "Amy Belden" Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? I am not [yet] a declared music major, but have been studying it and will most likely double major in it at some point. Anyway, I just thought I could shed a little light on this subject. >How is the work of Duke Ellington taught? Is he given credit for the >genius he had, and the uncategorizable work he did in moving the >popular idiom into wider realms? I have the sense that Ellington is >also underappreciated In terms of Duke Ellington, I am currently taking a black studies class, on the history of jazz. Although this class is not a "music" class in the sense of learning of chord structures and technique, we learn about various prominent and influential jazz musicians. We are just learning about Ellington now. From what we have learned thus far on him, he is made to sound like one of the truly extraordinary pianist of the twentieth century. All accounts from other great jazz pianists mention Ellington as one of the best around. They said that he would go to play at dances, and everyone would go sit down so that they could listen to his playing. I would be interested in learning about the technical side of his work, however, because that is one area which my class doesn't get into. >and that George Gershwin has much more of a formalized place in the >teaching of 20th century music, especially that which was written in >the U.S. If you can speak to that a bit I would love to know what's >going on with respect to those points. I haven't heard or learned about George Gershwin's work, and I don't know whether it is taught much at my school. I took a music appreciation class last year which discussed western classical music, however never mentioned Gershwin. So unfortunately I cannot help you on that. I play the piano, and bought all of Tori's music folios to teach myself from. Let me tell you, maybe I am not as good as some of the pianists out there, but I know impressive piano work when I see it. I can tell you in all honesty (no biases here :) ), I've seen it repeatedly with Tori. Amy, the choirgirl "Some things only she knows" ~Tori Amos "Would you even tell her if you decide to make the sky fall?" ~Tori Amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:18:35 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: Re: Can I play? weird weird weird! i was a sarah fan before i was a tori fan. erm ewf :) heh anyways i know that you mean tho. sarah will always hold a special place in my heart...but i am much more into tori'smusic then i ever was for sarah. i think it's the complexity of the lyrics. i know i know i know. so many people are like "she's cryptic..blahblahblah." and we all know she is..but for me that just makes it better. because whatever i believe the song is telling me can't be wrong. ya know? with sarah i find the song tells exactly what it tells. there's no hidden meaning.. the only hidden meaning i found was in Last Dance 'cause i never thought it was about death. so there ya go. anyway my point was that i know exactly what yer talking about with the um.. switch over kinda. *nod* that's all *shrug* Barb >Hello there :-) >My name is Matthew and I just wanted to say Hey. I just subscribed to >Precious Things last night after the marvelous Storytellers performance. >For a few months I have been on Sarah's FTE list(and still am), and Sarah >was my goddess, but slowly and steadily, Tori has been creaping up behind >the throne. Well, last night ejected Sarah and now Tori has become my faerie >goddess. *bowing* >Don't get my wrong, Sarah is still wonderful and has a HOOOOGE place in my >heart, but Tori is so wonderful that I can't deny her superiority any >longer. >I went to the Plugged show in New Orleans this year and I have to say it was >the best concert I have ever attended. It kicked Lilith Fair's ass by a long >shot. But I'm still going to Lilith this summer too. :-) >I'm sure I'm not as big a collector as most of the people here, but I've got >the 4 main CDs, Cruel/RS, Blue Skies, the Vid Collection, many MP3s, and a >copy of my plugged who, but I plan to expand that tremendously. >Btw, I live in Houston, so if there are any Ears with Feet in the "Bayou >City," give me a shout. >Also, if you didn't catch my name, I'm Mr Zebra. Several friends and I have >Tori names, so...Matthew or Mr Zebra will be fine. :-) > >Matthew > >i don't want to come back down from this cloud >it's taken me all this time to find out what I need > >ICQ# 298707 >http://surf.to/gotsarah >mdesorme@ocean.otr.usm.edu ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:34:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Sarah A. Stanley" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #54 On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, precious-things-digest wrote: > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:34:02 EST > From: Mac456789@aol.com > Subject: StoryTellers > I wonder if the Storytellers concert is available on cd or tape?? > If anyone know please let me know! > > > Thanks > s. as far as i know, they usually make cd's out of the storytellers shows....i have seen quite a few others out there.....they may not be too common, but i think they do it (especially for the good ones like tori!) i have a question though, for ANYONE....i taped storytellers and i just got to watch it last night....but at the very end while the credit were going, whoever was home turned the channel!!!!! what i want to know is, did she say or do anything else after Cornflake Girl? or did they just end the show with the credits and the end of the song? Sarah ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "WE are the music makers, and WE are the dreamers of dreams" -- WILLY WONKA -- "There is no life I know that compares with pure imagination..." "An angel's face is tricky to wear constantly..." --Tori Amos ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Kindred spirit, if you think you're hearing something and you can't think what it is if you feel a quiet longing, lift your head to the wind. There you'll find my Kindred Spirit There you'll meet me as a friend It is just a Kindred Feeling, And a song to let you in. . . --Cyndi Lauper ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:46:11 -0600 (CST) From: Amy Croft Subject: Tech aspects of Tori's music Hi there guys! I've seen some discussion on the "technical aspects" of Tori's music. Some of this discussion is very poignant, and some of it is somewhat oversimplified,IMHO. This is a VERY difficult subject to discuss, and I do notice some music students wincing a little bit at the comments made. I know all of us music majors have different backgrounds, but I will say, that I have encountered quite a few mixed feelings from professors of music reguarding popular music of any kind. I go to a mid sized university, with a developing reputation for its music department. I do not have at my disposal many opportunities to study Popular music, unless i want to do it without receiving credit toward my degree. I have had a few FANTASTIC teachers who recognize, and use examples of say, the Beatles, to help understand the approaches to classical theory. Using pop music is something everyone has access to, and is very well related to in our generaton. I've never had a professor discuss Tori, although that would be really cool! I see so many things in Tori's music that are indications of her peabody education...I see elements of many of the great composers techniques, and her music is as deep as her lyrics, the way she uses certain intervals in her melodies are indicative of the word itself, that's why (someone mentioned this before) you can "feel her meaning." Unfortunately, popular music will not receive its due as far as its study, simply because so much of it is without any technical, spiritual, emotional, and above all, MUSICAL merit (look at N-Sync). I don't even view Tori as a pop music artist, I think she has created her own genre. I think that may be why she doesn't want to be involved in the "music industry" per se. I was curious as to why someone would say her music isn't that overwhelming, or whatever was written in a previous post. ( no offense meant) NEVER short change or over generalize Tori, she was the first to enter the Peabody at age 5. That means she was, and is a prodigy. So was Mozart. Her music is as complex, well constructed, and as innovative, as that of many of the previous composers of the 16th-19th century. Mozart, although most found him to be quite entertaining, was considered to be quite strange, and was underappreciated, during his time. I'm sorry, I haven't meant to offend or, even ramble, I just wanted to express my feelings on Tori's MUSIC, and that can't be discussed in enough depth for me :) If anyone wants to get REALLY technical, down to chord analysis, I"D LOVE TO! I love you all, and think you are very kind, intelligent and interesting...(just had to emote) faerie kisses, Amy *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "I do wander every where, Swifter than the moon's sphere; And I serve the Fairy Queen, To dew her orbs upon the green....." Shakespeare " I'm too wacky for most weirdos. Who am I to judge?" Tori Amos *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:09:33 -0600 From: Soraya Quiroga Subject: Storytellers CD-r? Is anyone planning on making a CD-r of Storytellers, like they did with Sessions? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:38:29 EST From: NerrrdGirl@aol.com Subject: Re: Can Someone Help Me with a Quote? there was a posting not too long ago that someone posted on an article about tori...i forget what it was about too, but i remeber that dave nevaro said it....i'm sure the one who posted this will reply to you soon enough : ) love rachel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:05:04 EST From: Erinita@aol.com Subject: Re: Alamo Talula single The verse is as follows: Alamo wish I could do what God does heard that the stars were in order got yourself dealt a hand with two queen of spades and blues on the way blues on the way I'm pretty sure that is accurate, here is the website that I stumbled across a few weeks ago to get lyrics to non-album songs: http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~lolly/tori/beesides.html#alamo I'm sorry, but I cannot give credit to whose great site this is, if your are on this newsgroup, please accept my apologies. Love, Erin the Goddess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:08:44 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: Storyteller's Tuesday Afternoon @ 5 In a message dated 2/23/99 1:26:52 PM Central Standard Time, betheqt@voicenet.com writes: > According to TVGuide (the in-print one), Storytellers has an additional > repeat tonight at 5PM on VH1. Set your lives accordingly. Okay, I have a satellite, and the guide also lists Tori's Storytellers at 4pm (CST) on VH1. It is 4:06, and the guide still says the same thing, but what is actually on is a Behind the Music on Blondie. So, I think someone somewhere screwed up. I like Blondie, and I've seen Storytellers already, but I was hoping to listen to it in the background.. :] Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:45:20 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Subject: Re: [toriandmore] Tori Handwritten Booklet...help? where can you buy them b/c i have one but i'd really like to buy one for my best friend's birthday. sarah - ---Pixieqwien@aol.com wrote: > > > Nope I am afraid that they dont carry it anymore, well not to my knowledge, I > remember someone annoucing that they would only carry it if they listed the > free booklet with the video purchase, but when I went there a few weeks ago it > wasnt listend anymore :( so I guess they stopped sneding them out *sigh* Im > going to break down and buy one, unless anyone knows where I can get one for > like FREE?!?!?!? > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:23:29 -0500 From: "Erin Martin" Subject: more storytellers stuff (was:no subject) Ahoy... >Raspberry Swirl (where she told everyone to get off their asses, and >threatened Sue's ex by saying she's going to kick his ass with this song Sue? I thought Beene was Nancy, though I could be wrong. >I had only one question about the whole program and that is this: She >mentioned a "love triangle" she was involved in when she wrote "Hey >Jupiter"...um, ?????? This was news to me, and as much as I hate I got the impression that she and Eric were growing apart and she started noticing Mark. In the book _Cornflake Girl_ they mention Talula as being about the problems with a new love when an old love re-enters (or stays in!) the picture. (1+1 is 2 but Henry said it was 3) >having seen the Tour, I miss the band! =) I mean, it's like they're part >of the family or something...I want to ask them each how they're doing, It's funny, I thought so too. Jon Evans has really begun to stand out as an outstanding bassists. Not many people could really "groove down the rhythm" w/ Tori the way he does...he seems to be so in tune with her. I could totally tell where they spliced hey Jupiter together, how about you all?? Now, when Tori says she's an arsonist, does she mean to say pyromaniac?? I'm not sure how distinct the difference is, but I think Tori likes fires and doesn't burn other people's houses down for the hell of it. I'm trying to imagine her as a cat burglar now too. ;) I think it was pretty cute how nervous she was. She's always said how much more comfortable she is at her piano, and you could really tell she was scared of talking, but that melted when she would play. I think part of that "innocence" thing was that Kevyn always makes her eyes look so big that she gets that deer-in-headlights effect. I've noticed that like on Rosie, and when she played Father Lucifer on Letterman (that's the one in the Making Faces book), and I don't remember where else. On a more irrelevent note, I wasn't able to attend any of Neil's book signings on the tour. So I mailed something to a store where he was signing, and I got it back today with a big gold autograph on it. :) I was quite pleased; he's so nice. :) Blessed be, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:06:13 EST From: NerrrdGirl@aol.com Subject: just a bit more rambling so there's been a lot of talk here about collecting all the tori parafanalia (sp?) and dying hair red to match tori's and being and a clan and all that sorta good stuff...but while i'm sitting here reading all of these postings *and i truly do not mean to offend anyone...if i do than i'm very sorry* but i felt that i can't really relate to many of these things...i'm am an avid tori fan and truly adore her music, but for me (and again, this is my own opinion) it's only that music that really matters...well, here, i think i rephrased that very very wrong. what i meant to say was, that the only thing i really do to persue tori's music is to listen to her albums and play her music on the piano and try to draw out my own interpretation from her music...i'm not saying that people who collect things are bad...i'm not say9ing that at all...i'm just saying how i go about tori...i know a bit about her life, but not much much much...like, who is mark? and who is eric? and what kind of relationship does she have with both of them? to tell you the truth, i'm a bit clueless on lots of tori issues....what are b-sides? and where do people find all of this other music not included on her 4 albums? so basically...i don't really consider myself a "tori-phile" or anything...i cnosider myself more of a person who likes to listen to tori's music...i'm not saying beeing a tori- phile is wrong...actually, tori is by far my favorite artist...i'm jsut saying that i don't consider myself one another issue i was pondering was that people don't worship other artists as much as tori.....i'm not quite sure why...ofr instance, i go to other musician web sites and none of them are as comprehensive or idepth as the tori ones...there's kinda like this whole tori underground thing...it's possibly because toir's lyrics are so magical and they touch people in very different ways then other musicians do...it's true that the way tori writes her music, it's very much up for your own creative interpretation, and so you can find your own meaning in a song and make it personal for you... like, one of the main reasons i subscribed to this mailing list was because i have lots of trouble and struggle with interpretations a lot and was hoping to get some new insight into her music by getting this mailing list... well, thanx all for listening to all my ramblings and hearing me out... with lots of love to all rachel *well hold on to nothing as fast as you can well, still, a pretty good year* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Subject: Re: cooling... Ok i wrote down some of my interps last nite before i went to bed b/c it seems i think better rite before i nestle down for a good dream. i came up w/ a lot of the same stuff but some differences... > > "and peggy got a message for me from jesus > but i've heard every word that you have said" > > -you've been told over and over again..the same thing..and you already > knew it...mebbe you didn't realize it..but it was there.. > like the elephant in the room philosophy.. **maybe this one is she's overheard every word they had said about her > > "and i know i have been driven like the snow" > > -purity. **she may be apologizing here for being driven and not stopping to notice (their love is gone or something like that) > > "but this is cooling > faster than i can" > > -something is gone...and you don't want it to be. > **things are changing faster than she is able to adapt > "but do i hate what she is > **but do i want to be her" > > -jealousy. > **1) she hates what this girl is (her actions, etc.) 2) she hates what she herself is or has become but she questions if she wants to be what she is now even though she despises it. (you know like i dunno someone hating there job but keeping it b/c of the money or hours or whatever) > "and don't we love something fresh > anything new or virgin" > -purity. > the need for those things.. > to be slightly graphic for an example, some guys rilly get off on having > sex with virgins. **this could also mean how when things are new you love them then again it could represent change *new* > > "but woman you've got too many brambles > hiding under these bushes" > > -a hidden secret...there are too many > and no one wants to know about them anymore > this to me seems very sad **it maybe herself she's referring to here (not tori, the character--i don't really think of most of the songs as tori's autobiography *some may be and some subconsciously seem to be though) hidden problems that don't allow for the change or whatever she's speaking of in the song. > > "but i always liked a good storm > always good for a storm" > > -you know you're always fighting something.. > it's depressing tho.. because you don't rilly want to fit. > **fight or problems (basically the downside or bad times) > "so then love walked up to like > and said i know that you don't like me much > lets go for a ride" > > -ever fallin for someone and they haven't for you? > then you know all about this.. > **ok this just hit me but maybe she is still talking about herself maybe this whole song is the character evaluating herself (wow, i found a strange viewpoint--i love when that happens) > "this ocean is wrapped around that pinapple tree" > -two things meeting > it's filled with a sexual inudendo to the brim if you ask me. > **never thought of it as sexual but i see what you mean. maybe she dances around this idea of change but the plans never go through (i'm trying to dig hear but i'm not sure if i'm even in the right grave.) Love, *Sarah* _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:25:17 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? Amy told us: > In terms of Duke Ellington, I am currently taking a black studies class, > on the history of jazz. [...] From what we have learned thus far on him, > he is made to sound like one of the truly extraordinary pianist of the > twentieth century. All accounts from other great jazz pianists mention > Ellington as one of the best around. They said that he would go to play > at dances, and everyone would go sit down so that they could listen to > his playing. I'm a little surprised to hear that, because I thought Ellington's strongest skills were considered to have been his composing and his arranging. I never heard him spoken of as one of the great pianists in terms of sheer facility, as opposed to, say, Art Tatum, Oscar Peterson, and my personal favorite, Nat Cole. I love Nat "the singer," but one can better get a sense of his technical prowess and inventiveness on the piano by listening to his earlier recordings with the trio before he started singing. I can well understand being mesmerized by Ellington's playing, though, if not by his raw chops. > I would be interested in learning about the technical side of his work, > however, because that is one area which my class doesn't get into. I hope everyone who cares to do so will have some excellent chances soon to do just that, as this is the centenary anniversary of his birth, and he deserves much celebration. > I play the piano, and bought all of Tori's music folios to teach myself > from. Let me tell you, maybe I am not as good as some of the pianists > out there, but I know impressive piano work when I see it. I can tell > you in all honesty (no biases here :) ), I've seen it repeatedly with > Tori. All I have to add about that is that I took a friend of mine whom I had been giving recordings of Tori's music for a couple years to the 8/16/96 Wolf Trap concert just outside of D.C. here, anxious to get her opinion as someone who came to the U.S. in 1990 from Ukraine, having worked there as a piano teacher preparing students as they were about to enter the piano conservatory in Kiev. Her comment after that concert, and this is the exact quote, "She is practically virtuoso." She went on to say how impressed she was by Tori's singing, and that long years of training in "classical" methods were much in evidence on both fronts. Although I enjoy a wide variety of music and types of playing, I saw a lot of Tori concerts in 1996, and after that I could not stand to listen to certain piano players anymore. There's an inventive jazz pianist named Dave McKenna who is well-respected in jazz circles, and although he certainly does get around well on the keyboard and is able to create complex structures, after having seen much of the DDI tour, he always sounds rather ham-fisted to me. When he plays a chord, all his fingers seem to hit the keys simultaneously--it's like Dave Brubeck most of the time, playing these block chords. It sounds like playing by the numbers to me. There's almost none of the articulation and fluidity I came to know and love from the DDI tour, when the hallmark of the shows was the music pouring forth from Tori in great waterfalls, cascading down in engaging, interwoven patterns one key at a time in rapid, glorious succession. Listening to Dave McKenna is for me now like driving a truck after having been driving a sports car for a long time--I always shake my head and wonder, "Were did all the fun of driving go?" The damnable thing is the father of one of my dearest friends is heavily into Dave McKenna, and I don't want to let on how my appreciation has waned, and I invariably end up in conversations with him about Dave McKenna in which I struggle not to let on as to my true feelings. My favorite jazz piano player now would have to be a fairly obscure 70-some-year-old fellow from Baltimore named Ellis Larkins. He played every week at the Hotel Carlisle in New York City for I believe 14 years ending around 1991, and the main record of his I'd suggest getting is his "Ellis Larkins: Live at Maybeck Recital Hall." I hear his songs as living beings as are Tori's, although for me, his seem to take on the lives of impish boys rather than the girls which are Tori's songs with which we are more familiar. Anyhow, something else my friend from Ukraine said about Tori is that although Tori is often compared to musical impressionists such as Debussy and Ravel, and although my friend hears a number of composers reflected in Tori's music, my friend thinks of her as being more similar to a small, post-impressionist movement among painters known as the Fauvists. (Pronounced FOE-vists.) Here's a definition of the Fauves I found-- http://home.earthlink.net/~gokatie/ [...] From the French for "the wild beasts," the Fauves earned their name by shocking exhibit visitors with their unbridled brilliance. Emerging at the turn of the century, Fauvist paintings employ bold, vivid colors and aggressive brush strokes to weave expressive landscapes and portraits. [...] Sure sounds like Tori to *me*. :-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #55 ************************************