From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #50 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, February 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 1)anastasia 2)tori's height [XXXPandora@aol.com] tori boots [Ray ] Re: "about" and more... [becky ] Re: "about" and more... [Mireya ] Re: Merman's "Little Goat" [Pixieqwien@aol.com] Covers [plugged99@webtv.net (Rob Flores)] Re: trade questions [Keith Shapiro ] RE: 1)anastasia 2)tori's height [Jenelle Campion ] Tori's height and lyrics...in that order [Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia G] tori's address for sale!!! [Frederica Rose ] happy little Northern Lad [Holly Rae Bemis ] My Tori trip/dream pt.8 Amherst, MA [lauraguay ] technical elements of Tori's music? ["Morley, David" ] RE:tori and trent ["Plain Jane" ] Re: happy little Northern Lad ["spark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:08:47 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: 1)anastasia 2)tori's height In a message dated 2/17/1999 7:06:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, promisebreaker@usa.net writes: << can anyone estimate tori's height for me? >> I once read an article or something where she mentioned being 5'2". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:31:07 +0000 From: Ray Subject: tori boots Could someone post the URL for the Tori Amos bootleg discography? I would appreciate it very much!! =) - --Ray-- "I've found the secret to life, I'm okay when everything is not okay" -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:39:19 -0500 From: becky Subject: Re: "about" and more... Hi. I'm positive that Tori isn't more than 5'2". Her incredible presence makes her seem bigger but I'm only that size and she definitely isn't taller. We shorter women enjoy huge high heels as well, so . . . you know. becky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:37:35 -0800 From: Mireya Subject: Re: "about" and more... Abbe J Cohen wrote: [snip] > I didn't look down at her feet, but she seemed > about 5'4" max from my perspective. > > - --Abbe > I'm 5' 2", and when I met Tori, we were exactly eye to eye... so I'm guessing she's my height.... Mireya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:40:08 EST From: Pixieqwien@aol.com Subject: Re: Merman's "Little Goat" In a message dated 2/17/99 2:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, betheqt@voicenet.com writes: << "You're my little Goat" >> Actually I too heard goat, but I just thought I was weird, and came to believe that it was girl instead. But now that I know I am not psycho by thinking that heheh, although it does make more sence to say girl...but as I read Beth's post I remembered that there is a children's story book hmmm ill have to look it up later but I distinctly remember the mother saying "You're my little goat" it was a childrens story book where the animals are the characters, but again I am not positivly sure. I'll look it up later though :) Thanks for making me feel sane again Beth!! heheh Then if you think of it that way maybe it is goat because Merman is sort of a lullabye and maybe she was singing about memories her mother gave to her as a child *shrug* just my thoughts right now hehe oh god im getting corny I gotta go byebye! Carmen-Duessa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:15:33 -0600 (CST) From: plugged99@webtv.net (Rob Flores) Subject: Covers I'd love to hear Tori do "The Rose." That wouldbe beautiful. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:19:18 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Shapiro Subject: Re: trade questions Your best bet is to go over to the tori-boot mailing list. Please direct any continuation of this thread to there. > 1. What exactly are 2:1? (i prob know this but wanna make sure) A 2:1 involves one person sending another twice as many blanks as needed for the shows they want. The trader keeps one set of blanks in trade and returns the others with the shows you wanted. > 2. what are j-cards? J-cards are simply the little inserts in tape cases. Folded up, they look like a 'J'. > 3. what are B&P's? B&P - Blanks and Postage. You send the requisite number of blanks needed to copy the shows you want. The trader copies those shows onto your blanks and returns them with postage you included. > 4. where can i find a comprehensive list of tori boots that includes > info such as improvs and stuff like that? The closest you'll come is Jason Bilsky's Bootleg Discography at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4370/tabdnew.html Keith S. - -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- Keith D. Shapiro * It's crazy, just thinking, keither@iname.com * Just knowing that the world is round, http://www.ewl.uky.edu/~kdshap0/ * So here I'm dancing on the ground. AOL ID: kdshap0 * Am I right side up or upside down? ICQ #1978801 * Is this real or am I dreaming? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:53:00 -0500 From: Jenelle Campion Subject: RE: 1)anastasia 2)tori's height she's 5'2", i remember her saying it somewhere and being impressed that we were the same height On Wednesday, February 17, 1999 4:59 PM, the [SMTP:promisebreaker@usa.net] wrote: > > > i was looking at a sountrack for anastasia (the fox animated movie) and > noticed the little atlantic square on it...and...it would've been wonderful > had tori done a version of "once upon a december"... > > also...always seems like she's wearing platforms and heels...can anyone > estimate tori's height for me? i was just wondering... > > happy thoughts, > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:33:49 -0500 From: "sex monkey...that funky monkey!" Subject: Re: Re:Re:tori and trent >Anyway,that's what I'm getting out of it. >BTW,here's how I would interpretate the lines >"no one's picking up the phone >guees it's me and me >and this little masochist is ready..." > >It's like,the phone is ringing and she's not picking it up cause she feels >it could be Eric,and she just won't >answer cause of fear or pride or anything,even that she knows that she wants >to and she miss him,and when" it's(finally ) clear that he's gone" she can >confess to herself "the things she feel".The way I'm getting it it's like >she felt something hard that she'd never thought that she could feel for >someone,and got scared of it,cause >it would change her in a way that she doesn't have control over and "all the >dolls she had" could be lost >or misplaced. My god, I've never thought of it that way before. That ERIC or someone else could be calling HER or, more generally speaking, the ex-lover is calling her...I've always been biased to think of it that Tori, let's say, is calling Eric, perhaps, and he's not picking up the phone. That HE refuses, because he knows it's her asking to mend things, for a second chance. hmm. love, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "lay me down the lie will unfurl lay me down to crawl" -Placebo- prostitutes and poets welcomed at: The Coldness Of My Winter http://travel.to/desolate.winters ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:06:58 -0500 From: Margaret Subject: Re: trade questions Hi, A two for one is when you send the person you want to make the tapes two tapes for every one you want. Usually you have to include a sase or return postage, but it depends on the person I think j-cards are the inserts with the songs listed. Sometimes people put nice pictures on them B&P trades are blank and postage trades, you send a blank tape, and return postage, and they send it back with your music on it. I do these cause I don't have much to offer... yet. Hmmmm... a comprehensive list of tori boots-try the bootleg discography, can't remember the url, but it has tracks of every commercial boot. The site called little fascist panties (I'm not good with urls right now) had a place for reviews of commercial boots. I'm putting up improv lyrics to my site, but its not ready for its big unveiling hehe... sorry, I guess I'm not being much help there. Good luck trading... margaret At 07:19 PM 2/17/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Ok i just got interested in tori trades so i'm hoping someone can >clarify a few things for me... > >1. What exactly are 2:1? (i prob know this but wanna make sure) > >2. what are j-cards? > >3. what are B&P's? > >4. where can i find a comprehensive list of tori boots that includes >info such as improvs and stuff like that? > >thank you!! > >sarah > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 01:30:59 -0600 (CST) From: Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Glass) Subject: Tori's height and lyrics...in that order First of all, on Tori's height, my educated guess would be somewhere around 5'3". Because when I met her before her show at the Rosemont Theatre in '96 I stood and talked to her and I had about 1 inch on my heels and I'm about 5'3" without 'em. I didn't look down at her feet either, but I had at least an inch on her. So that's the best guess I could come up with based on that. Also, about the lyrics, yes I do agree it's important not to take every single line as something necessarily autobiographical. It can never be that simple with her. However speaking as a writer myself, I think those muses come from some part deep within ourselves, so it's not something completely foreign or alien to the host. (I know that's kind of a weird analogy, but...) For instance, not to get off the subject or anything, but tonight I was watching that special segment on 20/20 about the death of Phil Hartman and his wife Bryn. And as I struggled to understand what could have happened in her head, I almost started feeling sympathy for her in the course of trying to understand her darkest moment. So I wrote about it, but I wrote about it from sort of a dark place within myself, that dark place speaking in my own voice, and not necessarily channeling someone else's voice. I mean I don't know *really* what happened there, obviously. But I started relating from that little dark patch within myself that could have these thoughts. It's sort of like how I think Tori wrote "Professional Widow." I truly believe she had someone else in mind when she started writing it, but started feeling a true sense of empathy for the character in the story. In essence, it became not only about the "widow", but about the "widow" in all of us. She might be telling someone else's story, but throwing in autobiographical lines during the course of writing, and relating. I hope my point hasn't become too redundant. I just wanted to make sure it was stated correctly...somehow. Cynthia Glass http://www.angelfire.com/il/glassasylum "Oh you never would believe where those Keebler Cookies come from..." - anonymous voice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:58:28 -0800 From: Frederica Rose Subject: tori's address for sale!!! i just saw someone advertizing tori's address on ebay for something like 15 bucks. it is supposedly her mailing address and e-mail address. this is so funny because you can get her mailing address for fan mail through atlantic for free, and if that address is any different, i doubt seriously if it authentic. LOL!!!! love, freddie - -- "Do you gotta have a have a tripledecker super fudge sundae with a goddamn cherry on top?"-Ani DiFranco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:35:36 -0700 From: Holly Rae Bemis Subject: happy little Northern Lad Ok, well in light of recent conversation about Northern Lad in relation to Mark or to Eric, I've been thinking like this.... ***Warning: this is just kind of me going off, but if you're feeling like reading someone's thoughts on Northern Lad.... read on*** Oh ya, and I will preface this with: I have no idea what the song means to >Tori<, (I can't presume to guess) but something she said kind of changed what the song means to >me<...and I am just interested in sharing :) but these are just my conceptions... Whenever it was that I read that Tori suggested that Northern Lad was about Mark, in the Storytellers review by Bethey, she said something like "and I'm not supposed to say this, we had this deal,....but then I married him..." but I remember thinking, "hmm, that's interesting," because I had always thought of that song as kind of sad, like a relationship ending.....and here she was inferring it was about her now husband..... .....aaaAaanyway, when she said that, and when I listened to Northern Lad over the following weeks, I tried to hear it differently, which I had to consciously try hard to do, because on the surface, to me anyway, it sounds like a song about a relationship that is over, you know, a in a sad way. So...I listened to it and I started to hear something else. Ok now hang with me now, because I am trying to explain..but I am so SILLY! In the song I start to hear a woman who was coming to a realization, but not about the end of a relationship, but the beginning of one...talking to herself.... like when she says, and I may be paraphrasing here, "and I feel something has gone wrong, and I feel this cake just isn't done, don't say that you don't" maybe she is saying... "something has gone wrong..." like here is this girl, she is used to relationships where she is chasing something or someone that is not good for her, and she is comfortable with that, because she has been through it before, and now, something has gone wrong, she is falling for someone who is going to love her, and it is very scary, because she will be venturing into unexplored territory, and she will be so vulnerable to this person...... "I feel this cake just isn't done.." ok-- so this cake, this mold she had made for herself, where she could open herself to these people who wouldn't appreciate her love, this cake just isn't quite right, and things are changing for her....... things within.. "don't say that you don't" she is trying to convince herself that what has "gone wrong" exists and that it is for real, sort of a moment where she is telling herself not to fall back into that old way, not to turn away from this potential love "and if you could see me now, if you could see me now" here she is reflecting on how she is now with a person who will really love her, and she can't believe when she looks at herself how happy she is....compared to how she felt chasing that person who was not loving her...how different she feels inside "girls, you've got to know when its time to turn the page" and now she's thinking, women could be so much happier in general if they would "turn the page" on the bad, dysfunctional, harmful relationships, and really set their sights on men who will love and cherish them in the good way......... "when you're only wet because of the rain..." when you're only wet because of the beautiful rain, not because of the tears...*This last part I remember reading in someone else's interp, so I do not take credit, but I really think it fits! Now when I listen to the song, I kind of have to fight to hear it in this positive sort of light, but when you do think of it this way, it's rather nice.... Ok, now I know that there are lyrics in the rest of the song that conflict a little with this--- I just have really enjoyed listening to it in this way, of thinking of it as a "new love" song......................... Thanks for letting me share, LOTS OF LOVE & PEACE & CHOCOLATE! Yours, Holly Rae ************************************** OZMA @}--{---{--- >girl ruler of the marvelous LAND of OZ< ************************************** hobemis@nmsu.edu or HollyOz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:51:46 -0300 From: lauraguay Subject: My Tori trip/dream pt.8 Amherst, MA We got to Amherst very late that day so even though the floor was general admission, I had *no* chance of getting close to the stage. We found seats which were still pretty good. We were on the right, further away from the stage than Pittsburgh.. but the piano wasn't in the way this time so I could see Tori's face :-) At this concert I snuck my camera in, but the security guy was right in front of us ...and he did come to check on Richard, because of the red light to make notes... I was paranoid that he would come and take the film away and i'd lose even the pics from the M&G from Indiana. As a result I only got a couple of pictures without flash... blurry and moved and was paranoid during the whole show :( Nevertheless the show was excellent, she was in a very good mood and that reflected in the whole set. She was smiling a lot during the whole time.. I actually didn't get to see all that.. but I am definitely bringing opera glasses with me for the next tour :-) The setlist was awesome and the story she told about "husband, food &sex" was very funny. I don't remember details about it but there's probably someone at the dent that documented it better than I could three months after it happened. I can't say much about the show,I just remember it being great. And she did a lot of beautiful encores.. It is funny how I can't say much about the shows even now. I was speechless after them and I still can't really express what they were like. You just *have* to be there to feel what a show is like. And I guarantee that you won´t regret the sacrifice you'll do to get there. Not at all... and I'm saying this 3 months after my trip and still trying to pay off my credit card :-) I was sad to see that the girl that was seated to my left, had to leave during Waitress. No, she wasn't going to the M&G, the last bus for Boston left just a cuople minutes later... Anyhow, the encores were awesome and the last song she played was "Pretty Good Year", one of my all time favs. As soon as she played the last chord I thought it was time to run and try to get to the barricades, to my surprise, there was no one in the hall so I made a very quick exit and got to the barricades and got a pretty good spot. SECOND ROW WHOA!!!!!! There I found William Fuentes, and Megan? mmm the short girl with red hair that took the pic of Linda and me w/setlists :-) She also was at the Sessions taping. Thanks BTW :-) So she came out and I was there with my camera but she was *so* close I didn't want to take pictures with flash and blind her.... So once again I took pics w/out flash and they turned out moved. Anyhow I didn't care, i took two pics and then waited until she got in front of me. After she talked to the girls in front of me I murmured "is there a chance that you'll play South America one day?" I already knew that there weren't many chances, but I wanted to hear it from her own mouth. So there she was, looking straight at me -well not all the time, she was signing stuff too- and giving me a long explanation on how they would have to sit down and talk about it with the tour manager and see about all that, because it is far away and, and and. . . " In a whole the answer was "I don't think so" but she very nice to take the time to say something else than " I don't think so honey" :-) Even though I heard what I didn't want to hear I was happily dancing around. When she got on the bus, MR.Puppethead made an appearance. He came out from the window and I got the chance to take a picture. At the same very moment I heard Linda's lungs at maximum power screaming "MISTER FUCKIN' PUPPETHEAD, MISTER FUCKIN' PUPPETHEAD, MISTER FUCKIN'PUPPETHEAD" That cracked me up, I couldn't see her as she was all the way to the right and I was still at the barricades... But I saw that at that time MR.Puppethead gave room for Joel to try see who was screaming that. Hilarious. When I met Richard and Linda ... hehe I guess that they got pretty used at me running outside the venues and dissappearing without previous advice :-) as I was saying.. when I met them Linda had this precious trophy that she got for Us, a copy of the setlist that had the typo "Spank" ...I guess that it helped to the "sexed up" (Linda's words) Tori we got that night :-) At this show we found out that Rurik was staying for one more show before going back to Germany :( The gang was begining to disband.                \\|//                (O-O) - ----------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------------------- ldamico@adinet.com.uy (at home) laura@redfacil.com.uy (at work) http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/3373/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:16:08 CST6CDT From: "Morley, David" Subject: technical elements of Tori's music? Richard's post from several days ago regarding the level of music education in the music industry caused me to wonder if any of you know of articles or interviews where the technical aspects of Tori's music actually are discussed, i.e. tonal structure, harmonies, dynamics, etc. Obviously, I'm looking for something more than "her music is complex." Also, any information concerning her relation to classical composers and classical elements within her music would be cool. Besides the fact that she was in conservatory, I don't remember reading much about what she took musically from that tradition. Maybe such articles don't exist (their paucity was the main point of the earlier post), but if they do, I would like to find them. Thanks, Jake P.S. Any recommendations on good stores in the Chicago area to find Tori rarities? Feel free to contact me privately. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:22:47 -0600 From: the glitter girl Subject: re: happy little northern lad Holly Rae Bemis wrote:lots of interesting stuff that gave me a much-welcomed new perspective on northern lad, and then... > "when you're only wet because of the rain..." when you're only wet because > of the beautiful rain, not because of the tears...*This last part I > remember reading in someone else's interp, so I do not take credit, but I > really think it fits! ok, if you've got to know "when it's time to turn the page, when you're only wet because of the rain", why would you turn the page when it's rain and not tears? that's when you keep reading the same page, right? however, if you're just wet "because of the rain" and not WET cause you're hot for this guy, but the relationship's just kind of a dead end, then it's time to turn the page, doll baby.... ok, i know this was really unnecessary, but anything is better than writing about ants have a nice day, bessie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:35:59 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: Re: Re:Re:tori and trent - -----Original Message----- From: sex monkey...that funky monkey! To: spark ; precious-things@smoe.org Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Re:Re:tori and trent >>Anyway,that's what I'm getting out of it. >>BTW,here's how I would interpretate the lines >>"no one's picking up the phone >>guees it's me and me >>and this little masochist is ready..." >> >>It's like,the phone is ringing and she's not picking it up cause she feels >>it could be Eric,and she just won't >>answer cause of fear or pride or anything,even that she knows that she >wants >>to and she miss him,and when" it's(finally ) clear that he's gone" she can >>confess to herself "the things she feel".The way I'm getting it it's like >>she felt something hard that she'd never thought that she could feel for >>someone,and got scared of it,cause >>it would change her in a way that she doesn't have control over and "all >the >>dolls she had" could be lost >>or misplaced. > >My god, I've never thought of it that way before. That ERIC or someone else >could be calling HER or, more generally speaking, the ex-lover is calling >her...I've always been biased to think of it that Tori, let's say, is >calling Eric, perhaps, and he's not picking up the phone. That HE refuses, >because he knows it's her asking to mend things, for a second chance. > >hmm. well she ,actually ,called him in real life (and that is the most stupidest phrase cuz songs are more real today THAN the *real life*) ,many people suggested that to me,but that song could be interpretated on million of ways(and which tori song couldn't, speaking of which) so i'm a bit confused anyway,if i expended the feeeeel and increased your visions and all ,nobody's happier than me, "and for what I say I fell for you ,yeah" Finley Quaye >love, >Vicki >ToriPyro@aol.com >"lay me down if you have the words for "without y ou i'm nothing" >the lie will unfurl send them attached here spark@eunet.yu >lay me down >to crawl" -Placebo- It's pure morning here,how's there? >prostitutes and poets welcomed at: I guess you're in a getaway car,every you >The Coldness Of My Winter and ....without me! >http://travel.to/desolate.winters > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:03:57 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: RE:tori and trent Um.. i distinctly remember reading somewhere tori saying she wrote this song after she had called Eric and he wasn't there...and she was like, no phone's picking up the phone.. and then she mentioned something about this being some point where the girl realizes, yup he's gone. in all forms. that's my 2cents Barb > >>Anyway,that's what I'm getting out of it. >>BTW,here's how I would interpretate the lines >>"no one's picking up the phone >>guees it's me and me >>and this little masochist is ready..." >> >>It's like,the phone is ringing and she's not picking it up cause she feels >>it could be Eric,and she just won't >>answer cause of fear or pride or anything,even that she knows that she >wants >>to and she miss him,and when" it's(finally ) clear that he's gone" she can >>confess to herself "the things she feel".The way I'm getting it it's like >>she felt something hard that she'd never thought that she could feel for >>someone,and got scared of it,cause >>it would change her in a way that she doesn't have control over and "all >the >>dolls she had" could be lost >>or misplaced. > >My god, I've never thought of it that way before. That ERIC or someone else >could be calling HER or, more generally speaking, the ex-lover is calling >her...I've always been biased to think of it that Tori, let's say, is >calling Eric, perhaps, and he's not picking up the phone. That HE refuses, >because he knows it's her asking to mend things, for a second chance. > >hmm. > >love, >Vicki >ToriPyro@aol.com >"lay me down >the lie will unfurl >lay me down >to crawl" -Placebo- >prostitutes and poets welcomed at: >The Coldness Of My Winter >http://travel.to/desolate.winters ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:04:03 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: Re: happy little Northern Lad Hey,that sheds a totaly new light on it. i disagree with some of it,(to me it's still a really sad *love song*-stupid expresion ,i know ,but...)and i made a couple of suggestions and my thoughts as well(that were coming like a responce/reaction on what i've just read here),and ....it's really great to SHARE,cause we treasure some new thoughts/expirienceses/feelings and makes us more ...full (can't find the word,umm wealthy,rich...oh god i better stop or i'll ruin everything) As of the chocolate,thanks,i'm eating Milka with raisins and hazelnuts right at this very moment - -----Original Message----- From: Holly Rae Bemis To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 1:20 AM Subject: happy little Northern Lad > >Ok, well in light of recent conversation about Northern Lad in relation to >Mark or to Eric, I've been thinking like this.... > >***Warning: this is just kind of me going off, but if you're feeling like >reading someone's thoughts on Northern Lad.... read on*** > >Oh ya, and I will preface this with: I have no idea what the song means to >>Tori<, (I can't presume to guess) but something she said kind of changed >what the song means to >me<...and I am just interested in sharing :) but >these are just my conceptions... > >Whenever it was that I read that Tori suggested that Northern Lad was about >Mark, in the Storytellers review by Bethey, she said something like "and >I'm not supposed to say this, we had this deal,....but then I married >him..." but I remember thinking, "hmm, that's interesting," because I had >always thought of that song as kind of sad, like a relationship >ending.....and here she was inferring it was about her now husband..... > >.....aaaAaanyway, when she said that, and when I listened to Northern Lad >over the following weeks, I tried to hear it differently, which I had to >consciously try hard to do, because on the surface, to me anyway, it sounds >like a song about a relationship that is over, you know, a in a sad way. >So...I listened to it and I started to hear something else. > >Ok now hang with me now, because I am trying to explain..but I am so SILLY! > >In the song I start to hear a woman who was coming to a realization, but >not about the end of a relationship, but the beginning of one...talking to >herself.... like when she says, and I may be paraphrasing here, "and I feel >something has gone wrong, and I feel this cake just isn't done, don't say >that you don't" maybe she is saying... > >"something has gone wrong..." like here is this girl, she is used to >relationships where she is chasing something or someone that is not good >for her, and she is comfortable with that, because she has been through it >before, and now, something has gone wrong, she is falling for someone who >is going to love her, and it is very scary, because she will be venturing >into unexplored territory, and she will be so vulnerable to this person...... > >"I feel this cake just isn't done.." ok-- so this cake, this mold she had >made for herself, where she could open herself to these people who wouldn't >appreciate her love, this cake just isn't quite right, and things are >changing for her....... things within.. > >"don't say that you don't" she is trying to convince herself that what has >"gone wrong" exists and that it is for real, sort of a moment where she is >telling herself not to fall back into that old way, not to turn away from >this potential love > >"and if you could see me now, if you could see me now" here she is >reflecting on how she is now with a person who will really love her, and >she can't believe when she looks at herself how happy she is....compared to >how she felt chasing that person who was not loving her...how different she >feels inside OOOOR,there was someone who she ran from and who was willing to love her,but she wasn't ready and was scared and all so now she's like 'LOOK at Meeee,I found it at last ,now i can take AND give,as well,i'm not scared anymore (i'm whole ...again?!) >"girls, you've got to know when its time to turn the page" and now she's >thinking, women could be so much happier in general if they would "turn the >page" on the bad, dysfunctional, harmful relationships, and really set >their sights on men who will love and cherish them in the good way......... > >"when you're only wet because of the rain..." when you're only wet because >of the beautiful rain, not because of the tears...*This last part I >remember reading in someone else's interp, so I do not take credit, but I >really think it fits! i think here she is refering to wetness in a sexual way,like 'girls,when they don't turn you on like they used to,and they don't seek for your joy,too,...you should just go! and leave them. > >Now when I listen to the song, I kind of have to fight to hear it in this >positive sort of light, but when you do think of it this way, it's rather >nice.... > >Ok, now I know that there are lyrics in the rest of the song that conflict >a little with this--- I just have really enjoyed listening to it in this >way, of thinking of it as a "new love" song......................... > >Thanks for letting me share, > >LOTS OF LOVE & PEACE & CHOCOLATE! > >Yours, >Holly Rae > > >************************************** >OZMA >@}--{---{--- >>girl ruler of the marvelous LAND of OZ< >************************************** >hobemis@nmsu.edu or HollyOz@aol.com > ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #50 ************************************