From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #46 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, February 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ADMIN: Test, please ignore [Michael Curry ] Re: Tori rip-off ["nicole m. labbe" ] Looking for... ["Shaigirl 19/f" ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #45 [Amazon8502@aol.com] Re: Tori's voice on the Sessions interview [Nadyne Mielke ] On finally seeing Sessions [Richard Handal ] hoping... [Rayzengirl@aol.com] Little Help Needed. ["Hanna Paulus" ] y kant tori read question [Blood4Rose@aol.com] Tori+David Byrne= Space Ghost, which brings up a really good point [XMN93] Re: Personalizing Lyrics Interpretation ["spark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 00:38:49 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: Test, please ignore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:30:06 -0500 From: "nicole m. labbe" Subject: Re: Tori rip-off >Virjinia Glück not only >likes Tori but steals *everything* from her. Oh my goodness gracious...this is so weird. (I'm listening to the song right now)......she needs to give Kate her voice back....and Tori her song. :-) That's so much more than a coincidence! Why bother changing the melody slightly? Just use the entire original song why don't you? I think she's listened to Hounds of Love and LE one too many times. This is bizarre. ah well... just my tuppence Nicole *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* nicole@torithoughts.org ICQ# 9479828 AOL IM: gickie7 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/4654 quote, schmote. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:37:38 PST From: "Shaigirl 19/f" Subject: Looking for... I was wondering if anyone happened to have a taping of the 10/31/98 concert at Elliot Hall (Purdue) in West Lafayette, Indiana. I'd be forever greatful if you'd share and in return would make a CDR copy of it for free. Thanks ~ Shaigirl "So don't give me respect don't give me a piece of your preciousness... I can be cruel I don't know why." -Tori **~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~** Shaigirl 19/f * shaigirl79@hotmail.com AOL IM: Vampgirl79 * ICQ#: 7032035 My So-Called Life * http://glenmar.com/~mmb **~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~** "The one person who really knows me best, says I'm like a cat. The kind of cat that you just can't pick up and throw in your lap. No, the kind that doesn't mind being held only when it's her idea. Yeah, the kind that feels what she decides to feel when she's good and ready to feel it." -Ani Difranco ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:17:35 EST From: Amazon8502@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #45 Hi there, I was wondering if anyone would be so kind to trade with me for a copy of the Houston Plugged98 show. I don't have a ton of Tori stuff but I do have a lot of other stuff. Please email me privately and we can work something out. Thanks a bunch!!! Alessandra ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:44:45 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori's voice on the Sessions interview At 02:03 PM 2/13/99 +0000, Ray wrote: >My friends Andy, Erin, and Missy were watching the Sessions tape with me, >and Andy brought up something that might explain Tori's voice during the >interview. The concert sounded SPECTACULAR, so I wasn't sure if it could >be true, but at one point (I forget during which song, sorry guys) Tori >appears to be drinking a tea of some sort. We thought maybe she might have >been a little sick or something, even though you couldn't tell it while she >was singing. And we all know tea and honey does WONDERS for the sore >throat. =) Tori has been working very hard to keep her voice in good shape. On the tour, she drank a mixture of ginger and honey to help with that. I haven't seen the Sessions yet [1], but I'd be willing to bet both my cats that's what she's drinking there. /nad [1] We don't get cable 'cause it's $50 a month, and we simply don't like television enough to pay that much. Without cable, we get exactly zero television channels. We're in a hole, surrounded by hills and tall buildings. I have to wait until some poor soul takes pity on me and makes me a copy. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:08:52 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Shapiro Subject: Personalizing Lyrics Interpretation There's been a lot of talk recently about what TOri's songs are all about. I've seen a lot of disturbing comments recently about how "This song is about Eric! NO It's about MARK!" This really bothers me. I'm not sure how many of you have actually written poetry, or music, but for me (and, I think for Tori) it's not that simple. You just can't sum up an entire song like Northern Lad or CALS to "It's about Mark." or "It's about Eric." It's about the muse, and it's about allegory. Take these words to heart, my friends. First, the muse. Tori has often commented about how the songs come to her. When the muse strikes, you channel for her. She tells you a story, or draws you a picture and somehow we must struggle to represent that with words or music. Sure, you draw your own personal feelings into the piece, but the piece is not necessarily about *you*. Take "Yes, Anastasia" for example. Tori tells us that this song was brought to her by the ghost of Anastasia Romanov. Next, we look at allegory. Tori's songs are not so shallow as they can be summed up as "It's about Trent and Courtney." People mentioned CALS. And, although Paul made an excellent point about some of Tori's lyrics never hitting home for men, I'm going to give this a stab. On the literal level, you've got the protagonist (notice, NOT TORI) dealing with a relationship. Dig a little deeper. What's CALS about? It's about the relationship between ALL men and ALL women; it's about a woman's struggle to choose between the classic view (from religion and culture) that a woman must give herself fully to her man and with taking her own power and being her own self ("I need a big loan from the girl zone," and "I've still got that belle dragging my foot...) There's no way that you can realistically look at this song and say "It's about Eric." You just can't! There's too much going on here to reduce it to that sort of simplicity. It's not fair to Tori to bring who SHE is into her songs. She's said it before, and no doubt she'll say it again, her songs are not a diary. Even Little Earthquakes, which was written in Diary form, was NOT a diary. I apologize for having to rant to get the point across. Just take a step back, and look at WHAT Tori is saying as opposed to HOW she says it. Keith S. Take Three - -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- Keith D. Shapiro * It's crazy, just thinking, keither@iname.com * Just knowing that the world is round, http://www.ewl.uky.edu/~kdshap0/ * So here I'm dancing on the ground. AOL ID: kdshap0 * Am I right side up or upside down? ICQ #1978801 * Is this real or am I dreaming? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 05:30:24 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: On finally seeing Sessions Hi, All: Well, to complement the type of energy of Sessions, the only possible thing I could bring myself to do after it ended was to listen to the complete Max Steiner score for the original 1933 King Kong. Yeow. First off, everyone is entitled to their own opinions about this, but I had absolutely no problem with David Byrne's questions of Tori, and was in fact reinforced in my original hopes that he would not ask the same old dumb crap to which I'm sick of hearing her respond. I thought his questions yielded interesting and insightful responses. Good deal. The sound of that studio made the band sound like they were playing-- well--in a studio. Those shows really needed to be heard in a hall so they could take on the sonic characteristics of a big room. I think the sound of it being so dry relative to the real shows was one of the main things about it which put me off when I watched it from the Green Room on November 14 as it was being taped. I know Tori felt out of her element doing that Sessions show, and I also know a lot of the audience felt the same way (especially after standing around in the freezing wind for up to five and six hours, and then, once inside, not being allowed to use the bathroom before the music began). People couldn't let themselves relax and lose their self-consciousness as they'd been used to doing for a regular concert. This was palpable even from the Green Room, and was confirmed by conversations with folks later. Having said all that; boy, I totally got chills during Precious Things as well as during Waitress, and I was surprised by how much I was able to really get into the thing as a TV show. Maybe I'm just desperate to see a concert again or something, but the playing was indeed quite good, and I even liked the transitions between interview and concert segments. (I certainly *needed* a break after the opening of Precious followed by iieee.) I know they played shows which were much more deeply emotional and even personal, but I think neither she nor any others of the band need feel embarrassed by this being the main multimedia documentation of the plugged '98 tour. I haven't had my VCRs hooked up through the stereo for some time, and I'm anxious to get that together soon so I can really hear this thing "at volume" on real speakers. For the first time I was able to see (without the usual cover of darkness and the distraction of colored, moving lights) and hear (without the usual room sound) many of the details of the way the songs were assembled, which, although providing a high level of interest for me, had something of the effect of taking the back off a watch and seeing how the thing worked--even if I should think the typically desired function of a watch would be telling the time. What can I say. I like to take stuff apart sometimes. As for her voice sounding so raspy during the interview segments, I think it was a synergy of two things: Her voice typically having sounded a bit raspy when she would speak over the last weeks of the tour, combined with the characteristics of the clip-on microphone having a sharp rolloff in the lower register (as all such mics do) to compensate for the proximity of it to the resonance of one's chest cavity. She had almost zero resonance when she spoke, and the mic made her sound all the more raspy as a result. I hope everyone has a chance to see this. It's not the same as going to a show, but, with moving images, it's the best we're ever likely to have available to us from the plugged '98 tour. It wasn't a wondrous night from start to finish as even the very next night was, but Tori did manage a few wonderful vocal and pianistic flourishes during the show, and the rest of the band played to their expected level of professionalism throughout. One more thing I want to mention, and I may elaborate on this another time, but that weekend marked a pivotal time on the tour. The Bosey had been sick since Friday of the previous week, and although it had been seemingly righted and made whole again in time for the Poughkeepsie show the previous night--Friday, November 13--it hadn't been put solidly right by then. Only after this Sessions taping and the tour moved on through New England was full confidence regained in her rightful piano, and the depth of her playing and creativity came to bloom as fully and regularly as it did at any time on the tour; which is why Tori said in Grand Rapids that she expected most of the songs on the forthcoming live album would come from these last three weeks of the tour. Those were heady days. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:49:08 EST From: Rayzengirl@aol.com Subject: hoping... Just wondering if anyone out there has a copy of the Burlington VT show on the Plugged tour on 11-16-98. Please email me privately so we can work something out. It was my first show and I would be forever grateful!!! :) faerie kisses, christine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:42:53 GMT From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Little Help Needed. Alright, anyone who can help me, it would be great, all I need is the address you use to subscribe to Really Deep Thoughts (right now) because I used to be subscribed, but am not presently...and I can't find it online right now... Anyone, please? Thanks. And guess what I found the 2nd disk to the spark single, I was so excited, I had to buy it, yes, I'm excited. Sorry. You guys are all great, I love you all. Thanks, bye. Love, Hanna ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:33:11 EST From: Blood4Rose@aol.com Subject: y kant tori read question Hi all. I have been looking for Y kant tori read records for a few months now and I was just wondering exactly how rare these records are and how much I could expect to pay for this....Any guidance or info is much appreciated. faerie thanks *~~~*~~~*Blood4Rose*~~~*~~~* ************************************************************ THE BEST IN DALLAS GOTH ***GROPIUS*** http://www.skinny.net/ "I wear make-up and dress this way because I think it makes me look better. I am not doing it to get people to stare at me. If I wanted to do that I could just put a pot on my head, wear a wedding dress and run screaming down the street" ~~Boy George~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:07:12 EST From: XMN93@aol.com Subject: Tori+David Byrne= Space Ghost, which brings up a really good point hey guys, ok a couple of things... about sessions, when dave asked Tori if she thought music was the most dangerous of the arts, there was like a long pause and david was like, "uhhh..." and Tori was like looking around, it was like straight out of space ghost (space ghost is a cable tv show that is a funny cartoon parody of a talk show, for those of you that like, live in the woods surrounded by hills, like the resourceful, reliable nad). and so...which *starts me thinking* that Tori would be a WONDERFUL space ghost guest. ...which leads to me to a thread that took place a while ago on the list, before it was known that Tori liked South Park... someone said that it would be cool if Tori was on SP and everyone was like, "nooooooo" and now it's like, she would probably love it, *a little contradiction* hehe. also a while ago someone asked about Tori giving people the finger when she plays, the question was answered by someone saying that it was a sign to the band as to when the song will end. She raises her hand high in the air when she's signaling the band, but the incident the person was talking about was like when she just kind of slides her finger across like, the dash board of the piano; it's different. so i think she might be flipping someone off, maybe not, but in THOSE cases she's not signaling the band. also, if anyone has a copy of the Detroit show (4/29), Auburn Hills show (7/23), or the Akron show (11/28) in any format, please e-mail me, we can work out some kind of trade. bye luke *it doesn't take much to rip us into pieces* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:17:06 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: Re: Personalizing Lyrics Interpretation > >There's been a lot of talk recently about what TOri's songs are all about. >I've seen a lot of disturbing comments recently about how "This song is >about Eric! NO It's about MARK!" > >This really bothers me. I'm not sure how many of you have actually >written poetry, or music, but for me (and, I think for Tori) it's not that >simple. You just can't sum up an entire song like Northern Lad or CALS to >"It's about Mark." or "It's about Eric." > >It's about the muse, and it's about allegory. Take these words to heart, >my friends. First, the muse. Tori has often commented about how the >songs come to her. When the muse strikes, you channel for her. She tells >you a story, or draws you a picture and somehow we must struggle to >represent that with words or music. Sure, you draw your own personal >feelings into the piece, but the piece is not necessarily about *you*. > >Take "Yes, Anastasia" for example. Tori tells us that this song was >brought to her by the ghost of Anastasia Romanov. > >Next, we look at allegory. Tori's songs are not so shallow as they can >be summed up as "It's about Trent and Courtney." People mentioned CALS. >And, although Paul made an excellent point about some of Tori's lyrics >never hitting home for men, I'm going to give this a stab. On the literal >level, you've got the protagonist (notice, NOT TORI) dealing with a >relationship. Dig a little deeper. What's CALS about? It's about the >relationship between ALL men and ALL women; it's about a woman's struggle >to choose between the classic view (from religion and culture) that a >woman must give herself fully to her man and with taking her own power and >being her own self ("I need a big loan from the girl zone," and "I've >still got that belle dragging my foot...) > >There's no way that you can realistically look at this song and say "It's >about Eric." You just can't! There's too much going on here to reduce it >to that sort of simplicity. > >It's not fair to Tori to bring who SHE is into her songs. She's said it >before, and no doubt she'll say it again, her songs are not a diary. Even >Little Earthquakes, which was written in Diary form, was NOT a diary. > >I apologize for having to rant to get the point across. Just take a step >back, and look at WHAT Tori is saying as opposed to HOW she says it. > >Keith S. >Take Three you're absolutely right.it's pretty shallow and immature to put things like these in "Song for eric/mark" baskets,and I used to do that.guess it gave me the sense of power,or made me feel smart,or smthng. but, i always looked at the songs as *girls*,at least after i read her statements regarding bfp;i don't necessarily look at the song's "I" as tori.i was just confused by the way tori changes perspectives from talking in third or second person, and ends up in first. now,everything you write is ,at one point,autobiographical,-cause it,simply,comes from your head.but,you can make the most saddest-hopeless song ever written for,and inspired by,your boyfriend with who you have ,like ,the most understanding and happiest relationship. i strongly believe tori's lyrics can be interpreted in million levels and layers;that's the beauty of it,tori doesn't ,actually, know what the song is *about* in the moment she's writing it.channeling anyhow,that's my private experience. thanks for opening my eyes. Hey, happy Valentine's day! spark spark@eunet.yu my defenses became my fences now i'm stumbling and if you think i'm fake-up wait around 'till i take off my make-up tricky ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #46 ************************************