From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #13 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, January 14 1999 Volume 04 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- About the Jackie's Strength Video [JupiterCMS@aol.com] gramminess [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Re: A new song Tori performed in Soundcheck... [Talulagrl1@aol.com] Re: tori popularity [Robert L Reynolds ] Re: tori popularity [Wintdve98@aol.com] ToriFest '99 [Beth Coulter ] Tori on Storytellers Change!!! [JiVaDiVa@aol.com] treasures [Ellen Morris ] neil and tori. this is cute. [Talulagrl1@aol.com] Song interp site? [Soraya Quiroga ] Re: tori hatred [Freque79@aol.com] "tori marketplace"? ["Morley, David" ] Dusty Thunderous Fire ["Doron Vidavski" ] Liquid Diamonds ["Sonya Harway" ] My Tori Dream Part 3. Nov. 8 [lauraguay ] Re: Sessions at West 54th [RsberySwrl@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:06:52 EST From: JupiterCMS@aol.com Subject: About the Jackie's Strength Video Ok I was viewing my tape of Tori TV Appearences & Videos and I came across the MTV 120 Minutes premier of Jackie's Strength. I noticed that some people were saying how the footage of Jackie Kennedy- Onasses (sp ? sorry) at the beginning was cut out, and Jackie's picture in the locket at the end on teenage Tori's neck was blurred out. Well in the 120 Minutes premier that I have here on tape, the footage is still in, and the locket is clear, and not blurred at all. Also the Beenes got some pot is not edited out. I just thought I would mention this.... peace out~ catherine :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:20:44 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: gramminess hey all, Ummm, this is probably silly, but I like silly. In response to all "tori shouldn't win, tori should win" I personally feel indeifferent. I'll be a little upset if she doesn't win, ecstatic if she does, but I'm content with the fact that tori even got nominated. I really didn't expect it and shocked me all to hell. I think she deserves it, but if she doesn't win, she's still the same tori. She'll garner a little more fan base, but it's a constant flow as far as EWF go. SO, regardless, I think that we all have these fantastic tori stories of our own and we should just be thankful that she's even there. I can't imagine my life without her.... ~~ god made a typo, and I've got angles watching over me ~ ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:39:41 EST From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: Re: A new song Tori performed in Soundcheck... this is me....i am willing to trade....*all credit for the taping goes to arielle* rachel << Thanks to a certain trader here, I won't name her because I don't want her to get flooded with e-mails, but I've received a CD of Highlights from the Sunrise show. The kewl thing is, this person also recorded soundcheck. During soundcheck Tori is play what I think is probably a new song! I really pray that this new song is on the LIVE ALBUM. TOri did say once that there might be a few new tracks done in soundchecks. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:28:12 -0500 (EST) From: Robert L Reynolds Subject: Re: tori popularity I just have to mention my own experience with Tori hate. I was talking to someone in my art education class at UT and mentioned I was a huge Tori fan and this woman started telling me how much she hated Tori because "all she could see were the teenage posers with black lipstick going around singing about being addicted to nicotine patches". So ironically, she was pregnant and so when I told her what the song was about, she was shocked and was like "ok, I'll stop not liking her now". I have to make a comparison here, and please don't shoot me down, but I think Tori is a lot like Jesus. :) She has these radical ideas ("save yourself people" and "I'd like to go to a Nirvana concert with Jesus") but what makes her similar is her followers. I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt and so it's just like sometimes people get a bad impression from the people who are followers. How many southern baptists do you know who are honest-to-God really nice people (I'm sorry if anyone out there is southern baptist, but where I'm from every single one of them is a braindead redneck asshole)? So you sometimes get a bad impression from those people. So I suppose there must be a stereotypical image of the Tori "fan"; the airhead in the baby tee or the alternative poser with black lipstick who's trying to be all gothic. PLEASE DON'T FLAME ME FOR THIS. This is not what I believe, I'm just parroting. I think you have to look at the individual. But stereotypes are stereotypes. Feedback is always welcome. - -Rob ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Robert Reynolds Hodges Library Dark Prince Serials Department When the truth is found to be lies and all the joy within you dies... Don't you want somebody to love? -Jefferson Airplane http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/9346/main1.html ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:25:11 EST From: Wintdve98@aol.com Subject: Re: tori popularity In a message dated 1/12/99 7:08:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, glyttergrrl@hotmail.com writes: << all had the same perfect hair, same perfect $100+ contempo casual/gap clothing on, you know...the cloned ones.. >> Ok I gotta problem with this...only cause I am a real prep (shoot me) but I love Tori...so really you can't say "cloned ones". Because I know that preps have a HUGE problem with wearing the same things...although i can see how we look the same when following a fashion statment. I haven't had any mean feed back when people learn how inlove I am with tori, they think it is pretty cool actually and some just dont know what i am talkin about, which isn't a problem to me...well just my lil 2 cents. ~~*hugs*~ it's a bug's life, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:16:29 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: ToriFest '99 The nitty gritty details about ToriFest '99 are now on my web page. If you aren't web capable, please contact me off the lists and I will send you the copy. link in sig, of course ;) *other list owners, please post on your list* Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:45:43 EST From: JiVaDiVa@aol.com Subject: Tori on Storytellers Change!!! Ok guys... I just got an email from VH1.... They've changed Tori's Storytellers date to MARCH!!!!! Can you believe that???? "In support of the Grammy's" is what they said. So, forget the 24th guys. joanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: Ellen Morris Subject: treasures oh yes! i am a huge cockteau fan as well that is an oldie but goodie!!! its difficult to describe i am now realizing "pandora" seems to be dedicated to a "cindy" the album is from 84 i am listening to "pandora" now and trying to describe it for y'all "treasure"less folks its a slow tempo song with some guitar, keyboards, and great elizabeth fraser vocalizations that sound like another language, very unable to decifer and comprend thru the words, but you get it thru the sounds. almost a bit loungey like tori's "pandora". check it out if you ever get the opportunity. toodles, ellen _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~| The stars around _______ the beautiful moon ((_______)) keep hidden their glittering | | | | radiance, whenever in its | | | | fullness it shines upon | | | | the earth | | | | - -sappho | | _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:04:58 EST From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: neil and tori. this is cute. in the acknowledgments for neils new book stardust *which is a thick slice of heaven by the way* neil says this about tori..... "tori lent me a house, and i wrote the first chapter in it, and all she asked in exchange was that i make her a tree" ........he did.............too cute......... rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:28:04 -0600 From: Soraya Quiroga Subject: Song interp site? So many people have been posting their song interps, and it's been fascinating reading. I love how Tori's songs/videos defy casual interpretation. A few months ago I found a great website, something about the Tori Amos Lyric Solving quest. the URL was www.hout.com/tori/ and I tried to get in there this morning, having not been in a while, and got an error message. So I tried to get into it using a search engine and got the same message. Does anyone know if this site has a new URL, or at least know of any really good interp sites? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:42:47 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: tori hatred That sounds like the control my mom used to have over my music. When I was in the 5th or 6th grade, she made me sell my Motley Crue and Poison CDs because they were inappropriate for a girl. And a few years later, when I got into Tori, she read a few articles about her and said she didn't sound like a very good rolemodel. But I explained to her that the music was very important to me, and I was old enough to make decisions for myself and not blindly follow the influence of Tori or anyone without deciding what the right thing to do was. I hope that you continued to let her control your listening to her. Good luck, Mairie http://members.tripod.com/~raspberryswirl/ Ode to the Piano Queen In a message dated 1/12/99 3:59:44 PM Central Standard Time, PWOBWEMOUS@aol.com writes: > i definetely agree that in some case tori IS hated > in other cases she is just seen as obscure or weird > my mother reads articles (mostly negative writeups from mainstream magazines) > > about tori > and then threatens me that if i have any of her cds i should just get them > out > of the house now > i guess she read somewhere something about rape > NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO THINK WHAT IT WAS ABOUT > i tried to explain about rainn but she wouldnt have it > and in the end i was forced to sell my limited edition pink record album > under > the pink to a record store for $6 cause my mom saw the word bitch > i am still pissed and that was 5 years ago > i think that if people do hate tori they either : > 1- look negatively into her lyrics and if they cant figure it out, make a > negative assumption of the meaning > or > 2- dont look into her songs, dont try to understand the lyrics AT ALL and > see > them as nonsense and not for they beauty they are > > i just say hey i like her, bite me > just sit back and listen and take it in is my theory > thats about it > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:20:31 CST6CDT From: "Morley, David" Subject: "tori marketplace"? Has anyone out there bought anything from the website "The Tori Amos Marketplace?" If so, how was the transaction? If you want to check it out, it can be found at www.execpc.com/~czak/marketplace.html Some of their prices are good, and they have a good selection of older commercial singles. Thanks in advance, Jake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:46:26 BST From: "Doron Vidavski" Subject: Dusty Thunderous Fire Hey guys. Just as I was going to bed last night, I was thinking (as you do) that there's a notion of 'wanting-to-change' in Tori's recent b-sides. I'm not talking style-wise but actual lyrics: * Dust being turned into Champagne (Bachelorette) * Fire thinking she'd really rather be water instead (Cooling) * Thunder wishing it could be the snow (Purple People) - - what's with all this lack of contentedness? Doron. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:57:57 EST From: "Sonya Harway" Subject: Liquid Diamonds Well, I was playing Liquid Diamonds on the piano tonight, and I think I've finally come up with an interpretation worth sharing. I just finished Posessing the Secret of Joy by ALice Walker today, and it was a WONDERFUL book. We all know Tori has been influenced by Alice Walker and the Color Purple, and somebody mentioned a few days ago she also has read Posessing the Secret of Joy. Well, for all of you who haven't read it, go do that. But I'll just tell you that it's about Tashi, an African girl from the Color Purple and Temple of My Familiar (another Walker book), and the ritual of female circumcision in African and Asian countries, which is more accurately described by Walker as genital mutilation. Which it really is: the removal of the clitoris and labia and the stitching together of the labia so that it is difficult for a man to penetrate the woman. (This is done so a woman derives no pleasure from intercourse and the man feels big. "God likes it tight.") Anyway, I'm not going to analyze the whole song line by line, but I've picked several lines that in which I saw the connection and interpreted them. Obviously liquid diamonds is the reference to the dirty feminity. - -for those on horseback Tashi came to M'Lissa (the nguasa)'s village riding on a donkey - -I hear she still grants forgiveness M'Lissa, the circumciser was willing to "bathe" Tashi (they consider this an act of cleansing) even though she was a teenager and most girls get this done as children - -although I willingly forgot her referring to the suppression of the memory of her sister's death, which was caused by bleeding to death on account of her circumcision - -I guess I'm an underwater thing so I guess I can't take it personally Tashi moves to America and forgets anout a lot of her past, and when she returns she is hounded by those indigenous to the area whole believe she is no longer Olinkan and that she does not respect their customs - -liquid running Dura (the sister) bleeding to death? - -it's plain to see it is rising There's this whole theme through the book that the Earth's clitoris was a termite hill, and when God came to have intercourse with her, the hill rose, barring his way, and God believed this was masculine, so he cut the masculity off the woman Earth - -and if your friends don't come back to you the circumcised girls in the vollege made fun of the uncircumcised girls and acted like they were dirty, so all Tashi's friends couldn't understand why her genitals were elongated and ran away from her. - -a lilac mess in your prom dress when Tashi took an American husband (the son of a missionary in the Olinkan village--this part us from Color Purple) she had just been circumcised, and he could not penetrate her because she was so tightly stitched. so she probably bled a lot, the color purple...lilac?? and the prom dress part i think, is the transfer of Olinkan traditions to American everyday customs. she is no longer barebreasted and wearing loincloths, but she dresses up like an American Well, it could be a stretch, but it really hit me in the face when I was playing this, and I thought it fit very well. Any opinions? If you've read the book it will make sense, but if not, READ IT!!! It's SO good. love, sonya =Thank you for your squirrel= ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:03:30 -0300 From: lauraguay Subject: My Tori Dream Part 3. Nov. 8 November 8. We left Indiana late in the morning and drove to Ithaca, we didn't expect the drive to be that long, so we got there right before the show. There had been no M&G that day as it was general admission... and as we got there at 7.15 our seats were pretty far from the stage.. actually it was like 30 meters from the stage but the furthest I'd been so far. *But* the good thing was that this time there was *no* possibility that anyone could stand on my way. I was right at the beggining of the second bleachers.. so unless someone 9 feet tall came, I was in for a *complete* *unobstracted* view concert. The show was *awesome*, it was *very* charged, it was amazing the difference from the concert the night before to this one. The setlist was awesome and I do remember almost falling to my knees when I heard Yes Anastasia. I had been saying that I wanted to hear that song to everyone and their mother the day before.. but of course I had also been saying that I wanted to hear Upside Down and Flying Dutchman and those didn't happen that day. Later on I found out that it was the first time that she played Yes, Anastasia on this tour. Right before she played it, she said that she would probably fuck up... she started it from "..thought I'd been through this in 1919..." and then she did forget some of the lyrics and kept on repeating one part until she remembered. It was just awesome. She smiled a lot during this concert.. oh yes besides the perfect *unobstructed* :-) spot I was at.. Richard shared his opera glasses with me :-) Crucify was another highlight. I don't know, I guess every song was a highlight.. It was such an awesome show. And it was so unique- hehe not only because she fell *twice* on stage :-) The first time was during Little Earthquakes, she was dancing pretty hard and right at the edge of the piano bench... until she slid down. She kept playing on her knees and Marcel blazed out to fix the bench. She got up with a BIG smile.... and a copule songs later she altered the lyrics to a very funny "doesn't take much to SLIP us into pieces". BTW, Richard saw Mark *laughing* really hard the second time she fell (she turned to go backstage and tripped). When she came back for the encore she was guiding her legs with her hands, step by step ..it was hilarious... I wished Becky had been there because I remember her saying she wanted to hear Siren.... mmm It makes me wonder if anyone heard us making our "perfect stelist" and made notes ;-) Anyway, after the show we went to see if we could get to see Tori, but the barricades were packed. We just stood far away but still from a place where we had a fair view of her while she signed things. Meanwhile I recovered my voice ... I hadn't been able to speak after the previous shows.. well at this one I *could* but it only came out in spanish. I remember Carolyn asking me about the show and I was just bouncing and telling her "fue impresionante, que lo pario. estuvo tan demás que no lo puedo creer, que hija de puta. impresionaaaante.!". Also after that show I met Jessen but I didn't get to talk much to him until a couple days later. Some of the EWF that were in Indiana, also came to this show and they were standing there talking with the guitar player from the Unbelievable Truth. When Tori came out Linda (whom I met there for the first time) yelled Toriiiiiiiiii! and Joel pointed at us so Tori waved, I don't think she could see us very clearly but anyhow :-). Linda has some lungs let me tell you.. and she used them a couple more times while I was with her. Linda was in for the rest of the tour but needed a ride, so after Ithaca, Linda was the 4th passenger of Richard's car. We stayed at a hotel in Ithaca and as the following day was "our day off ", we were going to sleep in. Needless to say we couldn't sleep as much as we needed to... at 10 the people from the hotel called and asked if we were staying.... if you pay for the room for two days... it's kind of obvious that you are going to stay. We needed that rest. Anyhow that morning we went to a chinese buffet, and guess what my fortune cookie said? " You are about to embark in a most delightful Journey"... actually I already started my jurney some time ago but there were some great things still to come. oh, yes. :-) This is the review I posted to the Dent right after the concert: - ---------------------------------------------------- >From Laura (EWF from Uruguay) November 9, 1998 - this is by far the best concert I've seen, well I have only seen 3, but this one left me screaming in spanish.. song after song Tori kept surprising me. Ladies and Gents, wherever you are, save up a couple dollars, you can't miss this. Please come see her in concert, that's all I can say, and all that my wallet can give to "kinkos" este es el mejor concierto que he visto.. bueno aunque solo he visto 3 este me dejo gritando en espaniol... cancion tras cancion Tori no dejo de sorprenderme. Sres. por favor, sea donde quiera que se encuentren junten unos dolarillos porque no se pueden perder esto. Vengan a verla en concierto, es todo lo que puedo decir, y todo lo que mi bolsillo puede darle a "kinkos" :-) - ---------------------------------------------------- If anyone is wondering what "Kinkos" is... it is a place where you can rent a computer to connect to the Internet... and it costs $12 an hour. hehe.. It takes me almost 6 hours at my job (I work for an ISP in Uruguay) to make $12 . So 6 hours of work for one hour on the net....mmmm it didn't sound very good to me. I guess now you do understand why I didn't post my stories a while back. Well to put this message to an end, I would like to say once again to all the people that haven't been able to see her in concert --- and think that it is impossible for them to get to the US..Europe.. which ever place it is closer to your country--- save up some money and go there, it *is* worth the effort. It took me several months to get the money to go to the USA .... and I think during that time I ate like 4000 miles of spaghetti ... but it was worth it. *and* I am seriously thinking about saving up money for next tour.. so I 'll join "the Germans" on their "world tour with Tori" ! :-D nah I won't be able to save as much.... but I'll definetely be there next tour.                \\|//                (O-O) - ----------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------------------- ldamico@adinet.com.uy (at home) laura@redfacil.com.uy (at work) http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/3373/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:28:30 EST From: RsberySwrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Sessions at West 54th My dad's a big PBS dork & he said those sessions are always on Saturday night at midnight on PBS. (We're in the central time zone.) He also said they usually reply them a few times. - -corrie. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #13 ************************************