From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #411 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, November 28 1998 Volume 03 : Number 411 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Cooling, Merman and other comments [Katapilla7@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #410 [Faedayream@aol.com] Re: quotes [Ken Tough ] MTV Revue ["Jennifer Dean" ] New Tori video?? [Starla ] akron: help! [Eppy ] Re: Lord of the Flies [RHPSshock@aol.com] Newark, NJ boot [Shannon ] the NEW Father Lucifer (Steve McQueen?) [Tripp Gwyn ] The Velvets/Hotel ["Heather Parsons" ] jackie's strength lyric interp... ["Ockle Zine" ] co-producers, strings, maybe a dream? [PRLstoke@aol.com] (no subject) [Freque79@aol.com] Re: An article of interest [Richard Handal ] Re: storitellers date? [Beth Coulter ] First EWF to respond gets a Grand Rapids ticket [EWFSiren@aol.com] Re: Cooling, Merman and other comments ["shelley plummer" ] girl ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Re: Hear the west wind... [Jeffrey Clark ] Re: Hear the west wind... [Giovanni Mantilla ] Eric and Mark [Beth Winegarner ] Re: Lord of the Flies ["jupiter spazzz" ] i'm gonna be cruel [Cdfreke@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:40:23 EST From: Katapilla7@aol.com Subject: Re: Cooling, Merman and other comments well about the lulluby to the baby I dont see that at all. she says she finally found her merman that doesnt need anything from her that she is not willing to give and I take back saying it was goat because I went back and listened to teh studio version again and I heard the s in ghost this time oopps sorry kat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 03:08:48 EST From: Faedayream@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #410 hellow. i am not a regular reader of the posts. but i would just like to introduce myself. my name is nidhi, and i'm 18 yrs. old. i love tori, and ani. anyways. hehe. i would adore it if someone could give me information on how to obtain one of those scrumptios *waitress* necklaces. my e-mail addy is, *faedayream@aol.com* thank you. nidhi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:59:20 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: quotes In some other universe I seem to have written: >It was about three months ago IIRC, so go trawl the Unplugged >archives at The Dent. "Un" Plugged? I really have to start reading what I write. ('spose somebody outta...-) - -- KT, Cornwall, U.K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:24:17 -0600 From: "Jennifer Dean" Subject: MTV Revue For those of you who missed the Revue with Tori or don't have MTV, and you have RealAudio, you can download the entire show - in 3 parts from "The Force of Tori Amos" website. Go here http://www.tal.org/toriframe.html and scroll down a little, you'll see it. Sharin' the Tori love- Jenn D "Pretty is never beautiful." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:55:15 -0600 From: Starla Subject: New Tori video?? I was checking out MTVs website for 120 Minutes' show this coming Sunday and it said that one of the new music video premeires this week just so happens to be from Tori. Anybody know anything about this? Could it possibly be Raspberry Swirl? Or a live performance of something er another? Anyone? Anyone? ;) ~~Starla ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:24:13 -0500 From: Eppy Subject: akron: help! Help! I need a ride to Akron! If you live in the Cleveland area and are going to the Tori concert in Akron this Saturday, would you mind swinging by Oberlin and picking me up? It's Thanksgiving break here and so everyone went home. Thus I have no ride. I'll be happy to pay for gas, etc. Please help! Mike eppy@grendel.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:12:16 EST From: RHPSshock@aol.com Subject: Re: Lord of the Flies In a message dated 11/24/98 5:08:23 PM EST, XMN93@aol.com writes: << since everyone is talking about Tori and the Lord of the Flies, i'd just like to add that the end of the raspberry swirl video reminds me so much of the book because of all the pigs running around, and how the boy had his hair dyed red and in the book jack's hair was red, i don't know, it just seemed like it was straight from the book. luke >> I thought RS looked a lot more like Alice in Wonderland than anything else. And by the way, I really didn't like Lord of the Flies. I can see where some of these references make sense, but some of them are a little far fetched - -Angelina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:52:11 -0700 From: Shannon Subject: Newark, NJ boot Hey. I'm looking for a boot of the Nov. 25th Newark, NJ show. If anyone has it, please let me know. I'll literally trade my soul for it. Also, just a public apology to anyone inconvenienced by the 20/20 cameras in the orchestra pit in NJ. I was one of those being filmed, and after having been followed around by them all day, I was sick of them too. So if your view was blocked or you were forced to move, thank you so much for not getting too angry. The segment will hopefully be very good for both Tori and any rape or sexual abuse survivor, since the story was about how Tori's music and RAINN helps survivors. Thanks for your cooperation. As you can probably guess, the show was very important to myself and the others doing the segment, so if you have a recording, please contact me (lamberts@cda.mrs.umn.edu). Thanks. Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:28:13 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: the NEW Father Lucifer (Steve McQueen?) What's the deal with the new part Tori sings in FL (it's in the part where And Beenie lost the sunset should be). It's something about "Steve Mcqueen" and going through a window. Is this a new improvish thing or is it a cover? If it is a cover would someone please send me the lyrics to the original? Thanks! Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 06:08:47 PST From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: The Velvets/Hotel >OK, I don't want to knitpick, but I've read all of the Sandman >comics at least a dozen times and don't recal characters called the >velvets. Can you tell me where the show up? I still believe the >velvet in "Hotel" are a Neil reference due to his love of VU. Erin, >the rest of your interpretation seems sound. I don't mean this to be >bitchy or a flame; I'm just looking for a little clarity. warm winds >and blue skies,Tom Hey Tom--actually, The Velvets are a reference to Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere, which Tori said inspired this song. Hotel is riddled with references to this novel---"beneath ground" (Neverwhere is about another world under the streets of London), "guessworld", etc. I highly recommend anyone who worships Hotel to read Neverwhere. They're like pieces to the same puzzle, and it's a beautiful novel. And for anyone else confused on Neil Gaiman stuff, he's written the intro to the past two tour programs (I've never seen the ones for LE and UtP, so I dunno if he might have done those as well...), and the one for Plugged was from his upcoming novel Stardust, which will be released in January. Tori is finally a tree, referring back to her Horses: "Maybe Neil wil make me a tree..." (or something very similar, you'll have to excuse me, I'm recovering from Thanksgiving...) And she is making a blatant Sandman reference in Tear In Your Hand, with "If you need me, me and Neil'll be hangin' out with the Dream King...". And then, finally, Spacedog has the whole "Where's Neil when you need him?" spiel in the "Deck the halls..." bridge. I'm sure there are more somewhere, in bee sides or whatever, but I just thought I'd throw that out there. In Columbia, when she did Hotel, she said "Neil, where are you now?" which I think kinda reinforces the song being about Neverwhere. Heather e l s e w h e r e http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4242/ "Butterflies don't belong in nets." - --Mary (Tori Amos) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:05:38 PST From: "Ockle Zine" Subject: jackie's strength lyric interp... Hi all. My grandmother just gave me a copy of "Freetime" - a little free paper thingy from Western NY from August of this year. In it was a nifty interview - I just figured out how to get my OCR scanner working, so I may send the whole thing to Mikewhy if he doesn't already have it, but this stood out at me... Amos: "I'm very fortunate. If you really analyze what's going on out there, the public likes virgins, meaning virgin artists. That's a general statement. The public devours the first album. It's really hard right now to hang around. "Whereas, in the '70s l was going to go buy a record all the time. I was waiting in line to get my Led Zeppelin and James Taylor records the new Joni Mitchell or Blondie. I was standing in line. Now, if you really look at it, people jump on to the next new thing quite a lot. That's something I've observed. And I'm really lucky. I have, for whatever reason, a fan base that says, 'If you challenge yourself, we'd at least give it a spin.' They will not be there if I sell out. The party would be over. That's the secret deal we've made between each other made with millions of people." And then we have "Virgins always get backstage, no matter what they've got to say." And I thought HM! I always thought of this lyric one way, but perhaps Tori is saying that the new singers get all the attention, and she's been around a while and gets rather ignored. I have to think about this a little more to figure out EXACTLY what I mean, but that's the idea... marla (antigone) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "We were all sitting around...and the pathetic ghost of Jon Benet Ramsey appeared and told us that she had proof that Fox's alien autopsy was fact." - - paraphrase from Melora, Rasputina (real quote TK) http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone (random home page) http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone/toriboot.htm (trade list) http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone/ockle.htm (Ockle zine page) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:42:28 EST From: PRLstoke@aol.com Subject: co-producers, strings, maybe a dream? Hello peeps K Fischer wrote: >I noticed while I was looking at the cover of the new single that >the Lip Gloss remix and the Cruel remix are both done by Mark. I did not >notice this before, so I wondered if anyone else did. I feel like Mark is >very modest in his work for Tori. Even though he is her husband, he is >always mentioned in the credits on the same level with Marcel. This reminded me - the other day I was listening to my Past The Mission CD, and on the disc it's got printed (something like) Written by Tori Amos Produced by Eric Rosse Recorded by Mark Hawley (actually now I'm thinking maybe that was just what I dreamed the other night since I only *really* vaguely remembered it... - duh I know - but I'm at work and can't go and check) So its either one of those bizarre things that just happen Or a bizarre Tori dream Take yer pick >> Eric seemed to consider Tori's music as "their" creation, rather than just >>hers. I don't know any of them personally, so this is all speculation on >>my part. I just wondered if others had similar impressions I think Tori probably also felt this. My guess as to why there are so few orchestral backings on BfP is that maybe they were part of Eric's influence on the process for LE+UtP. But that's just a guess and I know with BfP the sparseness was also the point. Maybe a result of Tori's "finding your own fire" mentality in the BfP era has been that she now takes solo credit for producing and doesnt share with Mark in the way she did with Eric <*** pete starts to feel uncomfortable about getting into tori's personal life - thats not where I'm at at all, just thinking about how the music gets created ***>. Incidentally, i remember an interview after UtP came out (Keyboard Player magazine, I think) where she said that sometimes you have to have the confidence to say, after working on it for weeks, and paying for an orchestra to be recorded "no I dont like having strings on this track after all, lets get rid of them". I've always wondered which tracks that would've been...? Icicle I guess... maybe Bells? .. Actually I always hear strings when I listen to Twinkle, but then thats just me :-) Toodles Pete # E v e r y b o d y knows she's my man ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:21:10 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Check out #4 :] Mairie http://fly.to/pianoqueen/ Most Popular Videos .c The Associated Press By The Associated Press Weekly charts for the nation's most popular videos as they appear in the Dec. 5, 1998 issue of Billboard magazine. Used with permission: Top Music Video Sales (Compiled from a national sample of sales reports) 1. ``Night Out With The Backstreet Boys,'' Backstreet Boys. Jive/Zomba Video. 2. ``'N The Mix With 'N Sync,'' 'N Sync. BMG Video. 3. ``All Access Video,'' Backstreet Boys. Jive/Zomba Video. (Platinum) 4. ``The Complete Videos: 1991-1998,'' Tori Amos. Atlantic Video. 5. ``Psycho-Circus,'' Kiss. PolyGram Video. 6. ``Hanson Tour '98: Road To Albertane,'' Hanson. PolyGram Video. 7. ``Bridges To Babylon: 1998 Live in Concert,'' The Rolling Stones. Eagle Rock Entertainment. 8. ``Popmart,'' U2. PolyGram Video. 9. ``In Concert,'' Sarah Brightman. Columbia TriStar. 10. ``Atlanta Homecoming,'' Various Artists. Spring Hill Video. Top Video Rentals (Compiled from a national sample of rental reports) 1. ``Deep Impact,'' Paramount Home Video. 2. ``Godzilla,'' Columbia TriStar. 3. ``Hope Floats,'' FoxVideo. FoxVideo. 4. ``A Perfect Murder,'' Warner Home Video. 5. ``The X-Files,'' FoxVideo. 6. ``Small Soldiers,'' Universal Studios. 7. ``Armageddon,'' Touchstone Home Video. 8. ``The Horse Whisperer,'' Touchstone Home Video. 9. ``City Of Angels,'' Warner Home Video. 10. ``Mercury Rising,'' Universal Studios. Top Video Sales (Compiled from a national sample of sales reports) 1. ``Lion King II: Simba's Pride,'' Walt Disney Home Video. 2. ``Godzilla,'' Columbia TriStar. 3. ``Small Soldiers,'' Universal Studios. 4. ``Titanic,'' Paramount Home Video. 5. ``Armageddon,'' Touchstone Home Video. 6. ``The X-Files,'' FoxVideo. 7. ``Gone With The Wind,'' MGM/UA Home Video. 8. ``Cats,'' PolyGram Video. 9. ``Lost In Space,'' New Line Home Video. 10. ``South Park: 3-Pack Volume 2,'' Rhino Home Video. Further information is available at Billboard Online on the World Wide Web at http://www.billboard.com. AP-NY-11-27-98 1000EST Copyright 1998 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:20:45 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: An article of interest Charlie Poole said: > In my local newspaper there was an article from the London Observer's > news service in which I found interesting parallels to Tori. See if you > agree. Ah, yes. This article was showing up in a number of papers I've seen while out on the road, and yes, as soon as I saw it the first time in Indiana, Pennsylvania, I did indeed think it could have been expressing thoughts and feelings about Tori. I am a pretty big Sinatraphile, owning more than a hundred of his albums, many of which are audiophile and/or Japanese-pressed LPs. I'm not as heavily into FS as many, but am fairly far up there in appreciation of Frank. I've compared Tori's use of rubato, stretching and altering pronunciation of words and the like in concert with the ways Frank would make use of such techniques for increased expression and immediacy. (For one example of this see my 8/21/96 Charlotte concert review on The Dent.) Missy Caldwell wrote a wonderful appreciation of Tori in concert (see the ediTORIal in RDT fanzine #10) which quoted a newspaper review of Judy Garland, in which everything being said about Judy G. and her emotional expression and connection with her fans was as relevant to Tori as the things in this Frank article were. Here are some general thoughts I've had on all this for some time, which have helped me put my finger on why I believe Tori's genius and importance has more depth to it than that of those other singers, as well as making her ultimately a more important figure *musically* (if not yet popularly) than other titans of American music in this century. All the things about her embodying great and archetypical human emotion with her singing and those qualities also being true of other vocal greats such as Frank and Judy hold true, but on top of all that, she's a virtuoso, or at the very least a near-virtuoso instrumentalist (despite her protestations to the contrary). Then, in addition to all this, she is the mightiest of composers of popular music--and I mean that with respect to both the lyrics and the music itself. Moreover, her music goes beyond the typical constraints of the recognizable forms of popular music to become, as the great Duke Ellington would often say about his own compositions, "beyond category." As far as I'm concerned, Tori *combines* the deeply felt intense emotions and empathy of the great singers such as Frank and Judy, with putting across her own compositions which consistently break previously recognized bounds of popular music, all the while displaying truly breathtaking musicianship on her keyboard instruments. I fully expect her future works to show her growth into a master arranger for larger ensembles. Frank and Judy composed almost not at all--either of them. No one would argue that Duke Ellington was an overwhelmingly talented player, although he would come to compose (or co-compose with Billy Strayhorn) much groundbreaking music. No one would argue that Louis Armstrong or John Coltrane weren't in the highest tier as players and performers, but that they weren't always as facile as composers. Tori has ALL those positive qualities going for her, plus the brilliance, charisma and humanity so strikingly in evidence when she speaks and in interviews. And when she hugs you. To me, all this adds up to making her, without question, one of the most important musical figures not only of *our* time, but in the history of western popular music. That the chords she strikes resonate within fewer members of the general public than a Sinatra or Garland seems destined to delay the fullest recognition she deserves, but nonetheless, surely one day musical scholars and academics will be espousing such thoughts, which will be increasingly difficult to ignore as these next couple generations of popular artists cite Tori Amos as one of their main influences. > The subject of the conference: The 1950s music of Frank Sinatra. The > pretentious titles of the papers being presented by the two quoted > academics are, respectively, "Frank Sinatra: An Artist Whose Creative > Expression Amplified the Whispers of the American Collective Unconscious" > and "Hanging on a String of Dreams: Delirium and Discontent in Sinatra's > Love Songs." Pretentious? Perhaps. I have a hard time finding fault with those premises, though. :-) > I hope you enjoyed this interlude brought to you through the strange > convolutions of Charlie's mind. Thanks, Charlie. If nothing else, all of this serves to demonstrate that small minds really *do* run in great circles. ;-) I hope to find you at some of the final shows of this tour, Charlie. The shows have been breathtaking for quite a while, now. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:03:49 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: storitellers date? At 10:34 PM 11/26/98 -0500, Erin Martin wrote: >Just wondering if we know when Storytellers will be aired. Or that Sessions at West 54th thing...either one. :) Thanks! The current rumor is the first Sunday in January, though starting in Dec. they will be running ads featuring Raspberry Swirl. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:26:59 EST From: EWFSiren@aol.com Subject: First EWF to respond gets a Grand Rapids ticket I've got a Grand Rapids ticket I've been wanting to sell - but nobody has bought it. I've had a few offers and deals made, but I've gotten hosed every freaking time. So, all I want in exchange for the ticket is one of the new tour shirts - The new brownish/creme coloured ones with the filmstrip on it. I'll send out the ticket in tonight's mail. (Friday) 2 day express so it gets there in time. Please don't respond unless you intend to buy and send me the shirt. Cheryl or you can give me a call 505-857-9822 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:54:05 PST From: "shelley plummer" Subject: Re: Cooling, Merman and other comments >To me, this is a simple humble lullaby that she's singing to the spirit of >the baby to tell her about the Merman, to sing her into the next world, to >carry her soul to the mystical place where the Merman dwells. I see the >Merman as the guardian of this other realm and the souls that come into it >and Tori's telling the baby to go, that it's okay, that it's a beautiful >place and she'll be safe and it's okay to go to sleep and pass into this >other world because she won't be alone. I see "Merman" as being the other >side of the "Playboy Mommy" coin. > >Violet >xoxox > I read your interpretation and it reminded me of a poem by W.B. Yeats called "The Stolen Child." In the poem a child is whisked away from the troublesome world to a magical place by some faeries. Do you think it possible that Tori read this poem and was influenced by it? These lines are repeated a few times in the poem: "Come away, O human child! To the waters and the wild With a faery, hand in hand, For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand." shelley ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:22:36 -0800 (PST) From: Heidi Spitzig Subject: newark shows questions.... hiyas... i have a very very very important question for anyone who went to the Newark Delaware or the Newark New Jersey shows and may have a boot of it.... if you know the answer, you get...a cookie? :O) this is really important to me, please respond if you know the answer:: What exactly did Tori sing in the accapela intro to Siren at the delaware show? (it was very very beautfil and something aong the lines of "find yourself" but i cant remember exactly....) and... What exacly did Tori say right before she sang merman....about matthew shephard...i know what she said but if anyone knows the EXACT words, please email me.... and if anyone has a boot or either of these shows, please let me kow. i got lots to trade... thanks heidi == *********************************************************** "...by the woods, by the woods, by the woods..." ~Tori Amos~ "...and the forest will echo with laughter..." ~Jimmy Page and Robert Plant~ *********************************************************** _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:32:41 -0600 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: girl well, whatever was the big fuss about Tori playing Girl in concert? I tried emailing the person who was so upset about it but all my mail bounced. Whats UP??? Daisy Melanie & Lenny Green lgreen@coredcs.com "Faeries wear boots & you gotta believe me I saw what I saw and I tell you no lies" - -Black Sabbath "Remember me? You know, the tomato from upstairs?" - -Marilyn Monroe in Seven Year Itch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:16:59 -0500 From: Jeffrey Clark Subject: Re: Hear the west wind... >At 11:22 PM 11/25/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Allright, the topic I want to introduce is SOOOO incredibly random but I am >>very intrigued by it and need some help. I was listening to Etienne, cause >>it's just beautiful, and I started thinkin to myself, now what on earth does >>Etienne mean? so I did some research at computers at school, found jack, and >>talked to the French teacher instead. He tells me that the French translation >>is Steven, apparently there are alot of St. Stevens in france. SO I then find >>myself wondering who steven is....or if there ever was a steven, cause could >>Etienne not also be a celtic word, given that she mentions Scotland in the >>song too? hrmmm...my never-ending thought processes.....anyways, any help is >>greatly appreciated. Hope you all have a wondeful thanksgiving =) > > There is a legend of a girl named Etienne, who was cursed. I believe she was turned into a spider and reincarnated, but couldn't remember anything. Her 'prince' kept trying to refresh her memory with no luck (maybe in the morning we'll remember who I am). Then, if I remember correctly, she regained her memory, but he lost HIS. > > Hope this helps. > Jeffrey Clark - ayukawa@twcny.rr.com http://home.twcny.rr.com/alliance Systems Coordinator, Sorrow's Sphere http://www.mad-cow.com ICQ #1361234 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:25:45 -0500 From: Giovanni Mantilla Subject: Re: Hear the west wind... Hi there, I don't know what the actual word means, but I think it's simply a name that comes from another language. I think Tori thought it was a really beautiful name and decided to use it. Just like Stevie Nicks wrote "Rhiannon" after reading the word and thinking "oh what a beautiful name!"... without actually knowing what it meant. Etienne might mean something in mithology... but I just have no idea about that! :D Giovanni http://come.to/corncity At 11:22 PM 25/11/1998 EST, you wrote: > >Hi everybody, > >Allright, the topic I want to introduce is SOOOO incredibly random but I am >very intrigued by it and need some help. I was listening to Etienne, cause >it's just beautiful, and I started thinkin to myself, now what on earth does >Etienne mean? so I did some research at computers at school, found jack, and >talked to the French teacher instead. He tells me that the French translation >is Steven, apparently there are alot of St. Stevens in france. SO I then find >myself wondering who steven is....or if there ever was a steven, cause could >Etienne not also be a celtic word, given that she mentions Scotland in the >song too? hrmmm...my never-ending thought processes.....anyways, any help is >greatly appreciated. Hope you all have a wondeful thanksgiving =) > > > *lover brother bogenvilla* > ~* josh > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 21:12:09 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Eric and Mark Karin said: > I feel like Mark is > very modest in his work for Tori. Even though he is her husband, he is > always mentioned in the credits on the same level with Marcel. He is just > one of the "team." It seemd to me like Eric Rosse wanted to get more > credit than that. He always stood out in the credits, and he is put on the > same level of producer as Tori on a lot of her singles and the first two > albums. Well, that's because Mark is a sound engineer (along with Marcel), whereas Eric was her co-producer. Eric *did* have some level of control, not over the writing of her music, but in how it was recorded and mixed in the studio. Mark, while he has control over how the music sounds, doesn't do anything she doesn't ask him to do (I'm guessing). Mark is *fantastic* in what he does -- Tori always sounds fabulous -- and shouldn't be discredited because his role sounds less important. But the truth is, he does have less influence over her work, but Eric didn't just come in and overtake Tori -- she considered him a musical partner. Beth - -- "You've got to be a motherfucker. That doesn't mean you've got to be rude. It's just means you've got to be a motherfucker. You've got to talk honey and wear the high heels, and never ever lift your skirt. *Never ever* lift your skirt. Do you hear what I'm telling you? Do you hear what I'm saying?" (Tori Amos) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:42:04 PST From: "jupiter spazzz" Subject: Re: Lord of the Flies Angelina (RHPSshock@aol.com) says in response to all the Lord of the Flies discussions: "I thought RS looked a lot more like Alice in Wonderland than anything else." yep. definitely alice in wonderland. first off, and most obviously perhaps we have tori being alice and the redhead boy being the white rabbit. she pushes the elevator button to take her down through the hole where alice keeps falling and falling. where tori is crawling i believe is a reference to when alice is in the room with the door and shes too big, so then she eats the cookie and gets the right size so she can fit through the door, in this case, the picture. now shes at the caucus race. all the people within the rope circle that are dancing up a go-go are the caucus race participants. i havent yet figured out who the old man is though. in the caucus race scene he would be the dodo, but that doesnt fit with the rest of the video. ah well. all around the table is the tea party, of course. in the book, and not in the movie though, there is a duchess whose baby turns into a pig because of her piggish behaviour. and all the messy girls around the table turn into pigs, too. so i say without a doubt it is alice in wonderland. but...i havent read lord of the flies and perhaps they put the pigs in as a double reference since we know everything that can be connecter with lord of the flies with pandora and cooling. hugabunches, e.liz.a.beth. ps. during the parade yesterday there was a commericial for a miniseries of alice thats coming to nbc in february. im soooo excited. alice is one of my faves and its looks really cool. everyone looks puppetish and the colors were very warm and it just looks really good. prob by the same people who did merlin and gulliver's travels. wee! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:40:03 EST From: Cdfreke@aol.com Subject: i'm gonna be cruel after going to 4 stores then back to the first two i finally got the Cruel and God singles( i know i should've gotten god sooner but i saw it everywhere and didn't really have the money) poped in the cruel one and bang cruel with a little spacy intro i didn't listen to the whole thing but the part i did hear was very similar to the album then sreaming in comes my fav version of rasberry swirl the lip gloss version i was so glad i was dancin and i was really happy i love it live and recorded tori's most enercitic song yet then came the ambient rasberry swirl shades mix or what ever i thought it was really annoying but i did like the spark remix i thought i was very well executed and i loved how it ended with the here here here part then i poped in god and was amazed at the simplicity and beauty of Homeon the Range and the piano suites some other things i saw the anthology songbook today kinda interesting 25 songs ( albums b-sides i think 3 from Y Kant and a new old one from her and her bro ) with different picture that went with the songs also my strangly nice parents saw the star profile interview thingy and got it for me even thought i have to pay them back it's worth it only a few problems i found 1 the guy said MaaG was about tori escaping rape so unless every other thing i've read about her was wrong hes wrong 2 this woman said tori experienced incest(sex with a relative right) which i don't think was the case the book was nice and it had some great pix now i ask opinions something you are all good at giving increating my christmas list ( hey i'm only 14 still a kid ) i came across a delima my parents only wanna buy me so much which means illiminating some tori stuff til me b-day ( march ) which should i ask for now and which later : tori stories various live bootlegs any music folio ( i want UtP badly) little earthquakes video live in NY video complete videos mainly i wanna know which vidoes are the best thank and faery blessings toodles matt the merman ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #411 *************************************