From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #408 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, November 26 1998 Volume 03 : Number 408 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] ["Shaigirl 19/f" ] Re: merman [Katapilla7@aol.com] Re: comp video question [Simon Booth ] atlanta, ga [Lacy Baugher ] questions....anthology...uk cd release.. [Skylar2@aol.com] Re: More Pink [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Peggy? Piggy? I don't know! ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Re: merman ["Ockle Zine" ] Re: merman [Talulagrl1@aol.com] University Of Deleware, November 24, 1998 [ToriBoi@aol.com] Re: Help [Ken Tough ] Tori and T.S. Eliot ["Heather Parsons" ] Question: New RS/Cruel Single ["Michaela Blanchard" ] Re: Tori quotes [Nadyne Mielke ] can someone help me out? [PoetGrrlAC@aol.com] Re: Question: New RS/Cruel Single [Skylar2@aol.com] Re: questions....anthology...uk cd release.. [Nadyne Mielke ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:44:23 PST From: "Shaigirl 19/f" Subject: [none] Hello EWF - Tori question time here! I noticed this quote on somebody's signature the other day and I was wondering what it was from... a song? an article? what? "You've got to be a motherfucker. That doesn't mean you've got to be rude. It just means you've got to be a motherfucker. You've got to talk honey and wear the high heels and never ever lift your skirt. *Never ever* lift your skirt. Do you hear what I'm telling you? Do you hear what I'm saying?" Also, how about this one?: "I'm too young for a man and too old for a boy. So can't we just pretend that I'm older than I really am? But then, only little girls pretend." Any help would be greatful, thanks! Much Toriness ~ Shaigirl Shaigirl 19/f shaigirl79@hotmail.com My So-Called Life http://glenmar.com/~mmb **~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~** "So don't give me respect don't give me a piece of your preciousness..." - -Tori Amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:16:02 EST From: Katapilla7@aol.com Subject: Re: merman I swear it is goat she really sounded it out at the concert I went to where she sang it and on this cd I have with the studio version on it she says goat for sure and when she sang it at the concert she pointed towards her husband and said your my little goat. I am pretty sure it is goat kat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:50:11 -0600 From: Simon Booth Subject: Re: comp video question At 10:27 AM 11/22/98 EST, you wrote: > >Okay, is anyone else's video making weird fuzzy sounds towards the end-like >near Pretty Good Year? > > I think I've noticed that too. Simon you can find me on icq: :) phoenyxx 23284355 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:36:58 -0500 (EST) From: Lacy Baugher Subject: atlanta, ga anyone know of any good places in atlanta to buy tori imports, bootlegs, etc?? :) ~~~Lacy - ----------------------------------- torifanatic@virginia.edu ophelia@virginia.edu gingerspice@virginia.edu "Maybe I'm just the horizon you run to when she has left you there." --tori amos, "here. in my head" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:26:13 EST From: Skylar2@aol.com Subject: questions....anthology...uk cd release.. a few random things... *does anyone know of any more (future) uk releases? so far, and correct me if i am wrong, but there has been only spark and raspberry swirl released in the uk and only spark, jackie, and now cruel released state side. *does anyone know of or have an extra copy of the release of Q magazine with tori on the cover? (the shot is the wierd goldbreasted one that is used for the swappingtongues boot release) i am looking for this magazine and will TRADE or BUY it from you if you have an extra. or if you know how i can get one, that would be spendid. *the tori anthology does exist! i saw it today...pinkish, with a photo from the same photo shoot from hence came the limited spark postcards. i thought it was all just a hoax..but now ive seen with my own eyes. *cruel/raspberry swirl single is out- dreamy music but i hate those cheap cardboard thingies. ok, thanks guys! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:26:34 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: More Pink At 06:11 AM 11/24/1998 -0500, Lynne Toussaint wrote: > >Is More Pink available to be ordered through Atlantic, or is it >unauthorized? No, you can't order it through Atlantic. No, it's not unauthorized. More Pink was released by EastWest in Australia. It was a special tour edition, and nothing like it has been released elsewhere. It's getting harder to find now, but I believe you can still order it from Gaslight Records in Australia. I don't have their URL handy, but a websearch should turn it up {or someone with a better memory and/or bookmark file can step in here}. After the currency conversion and shipping, I believe it comes out to around US$50. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:34:56 -0600 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Re: Peggy? Piggy? I don't know! Like you said, when you meet tori this will probably be the last thing on your mind :) I was at the Minneapolis M&G and I freaked. BUT anyway, I think the Piggy/Peggy thing may be a reference to BOTH the medicine woman and to the character in the book. Perhaps they had similarities...they were both wise (i know piggy was, I assume Peggy is), maybe they both wear glasses, maybe they are both overweight--hell, I dont know. Just a theory! Daisy Melanie >oh goodness something to ponder!! Well, I agree w/ Daisy Melanie & Lenny >Green's LOTF's references, if she is saying piggy. If she is saying "Peggy", >well, in the Pele liner notes, she thanks someone named Peggy, which could be >pure coincidence except I had heard somewhere that Tori was supposed to put >Cooling on Pele, which would kind of make it like how she thanked: "Diane in >Iona (Twinkle)" SO!!! I dont know you guys!! But, I am going to see her in >newark tomorrow night, and when I see her, i'll be sure to ask. ;) yeah >right!! > >yes.... >-Anastasia > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:17:29 PST From: "Ockle Zine" Subject: Re: merman > >Go to bed >the priests are dead >now noone can call you bad > >Does anyone else hear that? Yep - that's what I always heard... >Also instead of what some people have been hearing >"you're my little girl" > >I'm hearing > >"you're my little goat" I always heard "You're my little ghost." Somehow, that seemed to make more sense than "goat" but who knows with Tori. :) I'm *pretty* sure that in Boston at the club show, though, she said "ghost" (and "he's a merman, to the knee" - she DEFINITELY said that in Boston...) marla (antigone) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "We were all sitting around...and the pathetic ghost of Jon Benet Ramsey appeared and told us that she had proof that Fox's alien autopsy was fact." - - paraphrase from Melora, Rasputina (real quote TK) http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone (random home page) http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone/toriboot.htm (trade list) http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone/ockle.htm (Ockle zine page) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:47:59 EST From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: Re: merman << have sworn that she was saying 'you're my little girl' >> on the merman thing.... she says 'youre my little girl' but it is overlapped to say 'boy' at the same time she says girl. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:18:40 EST From: ToriBoi@aol.com Subject: University Of Deleware, November 24, 1998 I dont' even know where to start... what an unbelievable show!!!!!!!!!!!! My dream came true tonight as well too. It was my eleventh show this tour, my sixteenth total... I was a bit sad because it was going to be my last, but I was feeling extra blessed and lucky because eleven shows is a big deal, no?? So anyway, I was under the impression that there was to be no more meet and greets this tour, so we took our time driving up from Richmond, got to the venue about 5:30, and luckily, found Steve Sanchez right away, I had wrote Tori a special letter with a request and just a summary of the tour and tons of thanks... Well I told steve it was extra important, and he promised me it would get to her... it did :) In the letter, I had asked Tori to play "Cool On Your Island", my absolute favorite song. I'd been asking for it all tour, but it never came up, it did tonight!! I can't believe she played it for me! I thought I would literally have a coronary right there. It was incredible... so... the rest of the show was as follows: Precious Things Girl -this is awesome with the band!! Then she introduces us to her new fav toy, a stuffed animal hamster, she said she'd named it Richard Gere, and then she pretended to sing "Little Hamsterdam!" Past The Mission- never get sick of this one, rock on! Liquid Diamonds Father Lucifer - this rocks so much! I love the beat during the verse... it's sped up so much, it's almost like a remix! love it Siren - we heard she was playing this one for her father, whom was in the audience tonight, does anyone else think this one is a bit slow live? Mary - with the band!!! WOW, Lisa Street would be so jealous, but Mary is a fav of mine too so i'm glad i got to hear it! China Cool On Your Island / Mother -unbelievable... sigh Little Earthquakes - love this one with the band as well! I especially love the tag harmony she's added to the very last measure... Cruel Graveyard / Tear In Your Hand - this was tricky because she was playing Graveyard on the piano, but singing Tear as the intro.. Waitress - this girl needs a vacation, and a good long margaritta Talula Raspberry Swirl Pandora's Aquarium Winter (solo) WOW< i'm still in shock... i'm sad for it all to be over, but to know she played the song for me, is enough to last me forever... thank you Tori... Joey ToriBoi@aol.com "come on baby, i'm much stronger than you know, sometimes i'm not afraid to let it show :) " ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:04:51 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: Help Giovanni Mantilla wrote: >In early September I submitted an order to the UK-based company, OPAL >MUSIC, for some very very rare Tori items >So I am asking you for help... to those who know about this... is there >ANYTHING I can do to get my money back? Someone said I could contact my >bank and have them cancel the credit card charge, but the bank said that >was not possible... so... is there anything else I can do? You can't cancel the credit card charge, but you CAN demand a refund to your card. Do not rely on email as a method of communicating with your vendor, Opal Music. You should write them by post (regular letters), explaining the situation. Make a letter recording all the dates you have contacted them, by email, by phone, and by post. If possible, include the name of the person you spoke to: keep a record of every time you've contacted them, and every time they've responded. Especially all the times they've said "we'll get it sorted out right away." Tell them that if you do not get a refund, or the goods themselves, then you will have no option but to contact your credit card company. After you send them your posted letter, phone them for confirmation. If you can't afford to be phoning them up, ask whether someone in the UK will do it for you. [email me] At the same time, call your credit card company (e.g. VISA) and tell them you're having trouble with this vendor. Tell them you have contacted the company many times, and have sent them a final letter in an attempt to have the problem solved. If you have no response, no refund, no goods, within one month, then go back to VISA. Send them a copy of the letter you sent to Opal Music, and tell VISA "they screwed me". VISA will do its best to solve the problem at that point, and get you your refund. You have to show that you've tried to solve the prob first with the vendor directly, but after that the credit card company will help you. If they have enough complaints about a company, they will withdraw the company's merchant number, and they will go bust very, very quickly. The "it got lost in the post" game seems (IME) to be frequently played by CD shops. Don't let them get away with it. - -- Ken Tough Cornwall, U.K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 05:49:49 PST From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: Tori and T.S. Eliot On the literary front... I was reading "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" By T.S. Eliot for my Major American Writers class last night, and there seemes to be a lot of Tori things in it. Maybe I just have Tori on the brain, which tends to happen a lot, but I dunno....maybe you guys can clear some things up for me. These are snippers from the poem, and while some of them you may scratch your head on, for some reason all of the following struck my as very, very Tori. Even if it's just the tone of it....I dunno. It's early, and my brain hasn't woken up yet, but I thought I'd toss this out and see if you guys any thoughts, and if anyone knows if Tori's ever mentioned reading T.S. Eliot before.... "There will be time, there will be time To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet... And time for all the works and days of hands That lift and drop a question on your plate... Time yet for a hundred indecisions And time for a hundred visions and revisions, Before the taking of toast and tea." "And indeed there will be time To wonder "Do I dare?" and, "Do I dare?" Time to turn back and descend the stair... Do I dare disturb the universe?" "I have measured out my life with coffee spoons; I know the voices dying with a dying fall Beneath the music from a farther room. So should I presume?" "And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin, When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall..." "I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of silent seas." "Should I, after teas and cakes and ices, Have the strength to force the moments of crisis?" "I am no prophet--and her's no great matter; I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker, And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker...." "And would it have been worth it, after all, After the cups, the marmalade, the tea, Among the porcelain, among some talk of you and me, Would it have been worth while, To have bitten off the matter with a smile, To have squeezed the universe into a ball To roll it towards some overwhelming question, To say: "I am Lazarus, come from the dead, Came back to tell you all, I shall tell you all"-- If one, settling a pillow by her head, Should say: "That is not what I meant at all. That is not it, at all." "I have seen them riding seaward on the waves Combing the white hair of the waves blown back When the wind blows the water white and black. We have lingered in the chambers of the sea By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown Till human voices wake us, and we drown." Heather e l s e w h e r e http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4242/ "Butterflies don't belong in nets." - --Mary (Tori Amos) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:54:12 PST From: "Michaela Blanchard" Subject: Question: New RS/Cruel Single Hi everyone. I bought the new RS/Cruel single at my work yesterday, and I noticed that the two my store had in stock were put together funny. If you were looking at the front of the cardboard sleeve right side up, and then turned it over like you were turning a page in a book, the backside of the cardboard sleeve was upside down. Was anyone else's this way? I was wondering if the ones my store got were just freak accidents, or if all of the singles were put together this way. I have found freak accidents before in singles (I have two copies of a single with the Talula single back insert combined with the In the Springtime of his Voodoo front insert - unopened - and I have no idea what CD is actually inside). So, email me privately if you wish and let me know if your singles are the same way. Thanks! ~~michaela~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:47:16 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: 99tour...Irish At 02:42 PM 11/23/98 PST, Kevin Myra wrote: > >Hi guys- sorry this post isnt 100% tori, but i have two asks: > >1) Has anyone talked to Caton etc. about whether the 99 tour thing is >happening- i missed Lowell AND Durham, probalbly two of the best 10 >shows to date.....oh well, im just hoping. > I overheard Steve Sanchez and Joel talking at the Bethlehem show and they were discussing what they were going to do in early December when "the tour is over". I believe this is it. The new "film strip" shirt for sale has "See ya, bye" after the E. Lansing date. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:26:07 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori quotes At 07:44 PM 11/24/98 -0800, Shaigirl 19/f wrote: [snip -- I dunno the other one] >Also, how about this one?: >"I'm too young for a man and too old for a boy. So can't we just pretend >that I'm older than I really am? But then, only little girls pretend." This is a snippet from a very early Tori song. If my memory serves, it's mentioned in the official biography. :) /nad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:38:15 EST From: PoetGrrlAC@aol.com Subject: can someone help me out? hi all, i wrote Tori a poem, and just realized today it didn't get to her in my letter monday. i would really love if some kind ewf could give it to her at a m&g, or if they see her somehow. here it is below: siren out of the darkness out of the church walked the red-headed siren clutched in her heart were winter and faeries she believed in everything they didn't she wasn't everybody else's girl she was a whole new breed honest, sensual, comforting, a friend we'd been waiting all these years for someone to save us we didn't know she was only 5'2" and had a passion for chardonnay we listened to her goddesses her faery tales of the magdalene and jesus ice cream assassins and squires of dimness the faeries came to listen and weave a tale of enchantment i've been waiting for someone to understand and comfort me know i am not as guilty as i made to feel i have my own voice now i heard yours i can hope again thank you siren - -Amanda Choutka if you can give it to her, please e-mail me. i'd be so grateful. peace, manda c http://members.aol.com/poetgrrlac/music1/home.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:18:29 EST From: Skylar2@aol.com Subject: Re: Question: New RS/Cruel Single i believe that because the release is a "double A side" - meaning cruel ANd raspberrry swirl, both the front and back covers are meant to be the "front". the raspberries are the same as the rasp. swirl vinyl release... that is just my guess. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:17:17 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: questions....anthology...uk cd release.. At 12:26 AM 11/25/98 -0500, Skylar2@aol.com wrote: >*does anyone know of any more (future) uk releases? so far, and correct me if >i am wrong, but there has been only spark and raspberry swirl released in the >uk and only spark, jackie, and now cruel released state side. The UK has the following commercial releases: Spark. That's it. The rest of Europe and Australia have Spark and RS. The US has Spark, JS, and Cruel/RS. To my knowledge, EastWest is not planning on any further releases. They were going to release JS there, then RS, and scrapped those in the UK 'cause they said Tori wasn't around to promote them. {Erm, haven't most of her UK releases been released while Tori was off touring the States?} >*does anyone know of or have an extra copy of the release of Q magazine with >tori on the cover? (the shot is the wierd goldbreasted one that is used for >the swappingtongues boot release) i am looking for this magazine and will >TRADE or BUY it from you if you have an extra. or if you know how i can get >one, that would be spendid. You can order back issues of Q straight from them. I don't have a copy of the magazine right here to give the order info to you, but if you see a copy in your local bookstore, flip through it and you'll find the right info. However, if my memory serves, their website is http://www.erack.com/qweb, and you may be able to find the info there. :) /nad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:50:18 EST From: HRHGypsy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori and T.S. Eliot First off, that is SUCH an amazing piece of literature. I hope you enjoyed studying it. And I saw something, somewhere, sometime about the Eternal Footman refernce in pretty good year relating back to Prufrock. But hey, who knows. - -=*Crystal, The Gypsy Queen*=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:10:23 EST From: Bobdel123@aol.com Subject: this is my underwater thing okay with merman. i ahev never heard this song in my life and would love to hear it, but sometimes we don't always get what we want. so anyway just hearing what everyone is saying i think its this no one is gonna call you back i think one person said about being resurrected. it fits to me that way. also i think that its goat. a baby goat is called a kid right? well if tori had a baby it would have been a goat. this song to me is about her family her hubby, her, and the baby. her merman is mark and the goat is mark and herself. i know i have no right to say anything casue i haven't heard the song but thats what i would think. but you know. all love in tori bob and i'm planning that it will how i'm planning that it will where my dreamin' and my hopin' and my schemin and my prayin and my wishin to be happy will come true enough and... i want to rise above myself... - - titanic the musical ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:46:33 EST From: Cdfreke@aol.com Subject: Cooling, Merman and other comments - -And Piggy got a message for me >From Jesus And I heard every word that she had said i got this from the lyrics web page and i don't have my cooling single with me ( i totally love the song now that i've heard it ) but these contradict each other Piggy was male and so was Jesus so i guess she's saying peggy either that or she was misheard as he which is kinda hard to do on merman ( my song ) i don't think she's saying goat cuz it doesn't make any sense and it definatly not girl because it starts with the "go" sound so i'm sticking with the lyrics site which is generally right that she's saying "you're my little god" is anyone really sure who it's about? Mark? probably not the baby cuz it was supposedly a girl, right? Do it Again is so awsome i think it is the sister song to She's your Cocaine ( 'shimme once and do it again' and they sound alike) Does any one have any singles that have any of the following songs on them that they are willing to sell me i also have a lot of b-sides and 2 bootlegs i can trade the songs are : Here. In my head, Mary ( i haven't heard it ), Sugar ( studio version ), Humpty Dumpty, Flying Dutchman, Thoughts, Ode to the Bannana King, Song for Eric, A case of you , If 6 was 9, Strange Fruit, Til the Chicken, Amazing Grace, Black Swan, Alamo, Lovesong, Numbness( or War are we really sure ) i don't think all of those are on singles but if someone or someones have them in pretty good condition ( i'm not gonna be too picky ) that they are willing to sell me contact me also if anyone has a copy or boot of More Pink that they are selling contact me was there a LE necklace cuz the Pink one was "I believe in peace, Bitch" and BfP was "we both know there was a girl back in bethlehem" or something like that and i couldn't get the ftch one cuz it says "Raspberry Swirl Girl" not appropriate for guys ok i know i rambled and i'm very demanding but please anyone who has these and are sell get in touch with me toodles matt the merman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:29:08 -0500 (EST) From: Lacy Baugher Subject: Re: merman On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 Katapilla7@aol.com wrote: > > I swear it is goat she really sounded it out at the concert I went to where > she sang it and on this cd I have with the studio version on it she says goat > for sure and when she sang it at the concert she pointed towards her husband > and said your my little goat. I am pretty sure it is goat > kat > i always thought it was "you're my little _god_", as in god of her world, not God with a big G. :) ~~~Lacy - ----------------------------------- torifanatic@virginia.edu ophelia@virginia.edu gingerspice@virginia.edu "Maybe I'm just the horizon you run to when she has left you there." --tori amos, "here. in my head" ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #408 *************************************