From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #294 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, August 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 294 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Coutney Love the Professional Widow ["Nicole Parker" ] ADMIN: test [Michael Curry ] 1999 Tori Amos calendar? [Nothinnng@aol.com] Plugged live album? ["Laura Martin" ] jackie's strength video [Ulini852@aol.com] weird tori amos things from germany [Nothing769@aol.com] Seattle EWF's ["Spark 658" ] Re: Phoenix songs ["Toriieee (raven)" ] ADMIN: Technical difficulties! [Michael Curry ] Jackie's Strength video ["Liz Lobingier" ] Re: Plugged live album? [Oo0eryn0oO@aol.com] Re: Plugged live album? [coquette ] Re: Re: Phoenix songs [SaktiMaya@aol.com] Re: weird tori amos things from germany [Nadyne Mielke ] Tori in Knoxville, 8/15/98 [Richard Handal ] Re: Courtney Love the Professional Widow [Cindy2Love@aol.com] ADMIN: How to switch to the digest version [Michael Curry Subject: Re: Coutney Love the Professional Widow Hey All! Just wanted to comment on the ProWidow discussion. Luciano-I find your interpretation of ProWidow interesting but I think Cindy and Marie have it. I read an article not that long after Kurt's death that had to do with whether Coutney was responsible for Kurt's death. The article claimed that her father wrote a book that was an expose of Kurt and Coutney's relationship. In it he claimed that Coutney did kill Kurt, or at least drove him to it. Her father was completely trying to bank on her success, the way many feel she tried to bank on Kurt's death. So I feel that the "starfucker" in the song represents Coutney's father, "selling his baby" b/c he wanted some success of his own, his 15 min of fame if you will, and therefore is striking "a deal make him feel like a congressman." I am not really a Coutney Love fan but hearing all this made me feel sorry for her even though I do feel like she used Kurt, even in death. However, I do not feel that she killed him. So maybe Tori was attempting to deal with her bad feelings about Coutney. I think Tori can identify with her because she whored herself a little also (Y Kant Tori Read). And obviously Tori came out of it and gave us the wonderful gift of Little Earthquakes. Well, hope this helps---I'm curious to see what you guys and gals think.--Nicole *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* * Nicole Renee Parker * * "caught in an identity crisis somewhere * * between goody-two-shoes and pure evil" * * http://people.tamu.edu/~nrp9278 * *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:42:19 PDT From: "Nicole Parker" Subject: Re: Coutney Love the Professional Widow Hey All! Just wanted to comment on the ProWidow discussion. Luciano-I find your interpretation of ProWidow interesting but I think Cindy and Marie have it. I read an article not that long after Kurt's death that had to do with whether Coutney was responsible for Kurt's death. The article claimed that her father wrote a book that was an expose of Kurt and Coutney's relationship. In it he claimed that Coutney did kill Kurt, or at least drove him to it. Her father was completely trying to bank on her success, the way many feel she tried to bank on Kurt's death. So I feel that the "starfucker" in the song represents Coutney's father, "selling his baby" b/c he wanted some success of his own, his 15 min of fame if you will, and therefore is striking "a deal make him feel like a congressman." I am not really a Coutney Love fan but hearing all this made me feel sorry for her even though I do feel like she used Kurt, even in death. However, I do not feel that she killed him. So maybe Tori was attempting to deal with her bad feelings about Coutney. I think Tori can identify with her because she whored herself a little also (Y Kant Tori Read). And obviously Tori came out of it and gave us the wonderful gift of Little Earthquakes. Well, hope this helps---I'm curious to see what you guys and gals think.--Nicole *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* * Nicole Renee Parker * * "caught in an identity crisis somewhere * * between goody-two-shoes and pure evil" * * http://people.tamu.edu/~nrp9278 * *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:28:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: test Please ignore this message. Mike precious-things co-owner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:28:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: test Please ignore this message. Mike precious-things co-owner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:48:12 EDT From: Nothinnng@aol.com Subject: 1999 Tori Amos calendar? I was browsing around at an online rare cd store and found an item listed as "import, 1999 Olive (calendar)" under Tori Amos. Do you know anything about this? Is this real? Is this old news? http://songsearch.icorp.net/ss/dir/a/amos_tori.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:50:26 -0400 From: "Laura Martin" Subject: Plugged live album? Hi! I saw this on my Paula Cole mailing list today and thought that I'd pass it along: >From the September issue of ICE: One of the first titles from TORI AMOS' 1998 tour is a two-CD audience recording from the Roxy in Atlanta 4/20/98, which steals its provocative cover art from a photo of Amos that appeared in England's 'Q' magazine. I don't know anything about this, how about you all? Silence faith and luck, Erin "Bethlehem", a Paula Cole page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/5569/paula.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:21:08 EDT From: Ulini852@aol.com Subject: jackie's strength video greetings and salutations fellow EWF's. ive been on the list a mere week or so, so i decided it's about time to write something. for all you people asking for copies of the jackie's strength video, i can probably make you a copy if you email me. i was introduced to Tori when BfP came out. i heard "caught a lite sneeze" and fell in love. i saw my first concert of her's in birmingham last friday. it was great. my friend and i brought cameras and took some (hopefully) great pics. i can't wait to get them back. im hopefully going to the memphis show if all works out so if anybody is going maybe ill see you there. that's all for now.... ******Tell me your crazy maybe then i'll understand****** ULA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:47:43 EDT From: Nothing769@aol.com Subject: weird tori amos things from germany Ok ok ok. a friend of mine just got home from germany, and he found this '*I* Kant Tori Read' cd. (yes.... 'I' not 'Y') and, he bought it at this place called 'world of music' which is supposed to be a US equivilant of TOWER (or so I'm told) and, I dont know what is going on. it has 10 tracks: 1. the big picture; 2. cool on your island; 3.fayth; 4.fire on the side; 5. pirates; 6. floating city; 7. heart attack at 23 8. on the boundary; 9. you go to my head; 10. etienne trilogy (the highlands/etienne/skyeboat song. it has a little 'atlantic' logo on it, and a serial number on the side. the lettering of the weird title is red.... so.. if anyone knows whats up. I also have a copy of this 'BT BLUE SKIES' thing that features her. what is that?? oh goodness. someone please help!! yes...... - -Anastasia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:34:58 PDT From: "Spark 658" Subject: Seattle EWF's Hello EWF's I've been on Precious Things hiatus for a while, but finally got around to re-subscribing. I was wondering if the Seattle EWF's who planned the big get together on the day of the concert in May were planning anything for the concert coming up on Sept. 11. My apologies if there's already been a bunch of talk about doing this, but like I said, I just re-subscribed. Anyway, if any Seattle EWF's have something going, let me know. And if not... any of you want to get together day before and have a good old fashion campout outside Key Arena? Peace, Love, and the Goddess-- Mark "Butterfly, they like you better framed and dry..." --Butterfly "So then I thought I'd make some plans, but Fire thought she'd really rather be Water instead..." --Cooling "So then Love walked up to Like and said, 'I know that you don't like me much, Let's go for a ride.'" --Cooling ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:24:19 -0700 From: "Toriieee (raven)" Subject: Re: Phoenix songs Here goes: Disc 1 Black Dove (January) iieee precious things liquid diamonds doughnut song jackie's strength spark mother baker baker northern lad horses cruel disc 2 waitress **encore break** god cooling tear in your hand black dove (january) iieee precious things spark cruel spark merman Track 1-12 Disc 1 and Track 1-5 Disc 2 : Phoeniz Concert Theatre, Toronto, Ontario April 28-98 Track 6-10 Disc 2 : Park West, Chicago IL April 30, 1998 Track 11 Disc 2 : Ed Sullivan Theater, NYC, NY April 10, 1998 Track 12: Internet Only Song 1997 This CD is REALLY good! Raven aka Toriieee - --- - --------------Tori Amos : The Light in the Dark------------- http://ravenwood.dragonfire.net/tori/maintori.html - -----------The Official Dallas ToriFest Webpage------------- http://ravenwood.dragonfire.net/tori/fest/mainfest.html - -------Ravenwood (My forest with its many paths...)--------- http://ravenwood.dragonfire.net On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:26:34 Kevin Myra wrote: > >Hi, does anyone have the tracklist of the new phoenix CD. Does anyone >know what show/s it was recorded at. please post or email me privately. >thanks a lot =) >kevin > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:02:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: Technical difficulties! Hi all, Due to technical screwups at my ISP, messages that I approved for the list earlier this evening apparently never made it to smoe.org and therefore never made it out to the list. Because of the way such messages are handled (using a perl script) none of them are saved to my sent-mail folder and therefore, because I deleted the originals as I went along, they are lost for good. Therefore, if you sent something to the list either late last night or during the day today and have not seen it appear on precious-things please feel free to resend it. Mike precious-things co-owner | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:38:53 PDT From: "Liz Lobingier" Subject: Jackie's Strength video Hi was wondering since I'm such a ding-a-ling if anyone out there taped it, And would be able to make me a copy? I don't have anything to trade but I do have cash. Please somebody? I would be forever grateful! Liz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:08:46 EDT From: Oo0eryn0oO@aol.com Subject: Re: Plugged live album? In a message dated 98-08-19 20:55:04 EDT, pigs@swva.net writes: << One of the first titles from TORI AMOS' 1998 tour is a two-CD audience recording from the Roxy in Atlanta 4/20/98, which steals its provocative cover art from a photo of Amos that appeared in England's 'Q' magazine. >> yes! if anyone finds anything out about this, please let the rest of the list know, too! thank you! ~~*eryn*~ also... if anyone has a recording of the San Francisco Fillmore show *may 5th*, i'd luv a recording... i'm willing to pay good money. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:10:37 -0500 From: coquette Subject: Re: Plugged live album? that's the first mass-produced plugged CD bootleg. key words: audience recording. is it phoenix? i don't quite recall what show that's from.. take care ana > >One of the first titles from TORI AMOS' 1998 tour is a two-CD >audience recording from the Roxy in Atlanta 4/20/98, which steals >its provocative cover art from a photo of Amos that appeared in >England's 'Q' magazine. > >I don't know anything about this, how about you all? > i'm destructive. some women find that seductive. http://www.overlap.org http://www.overlap.org/tori/bootlegs.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:48:23 EDT From: SaktiMaya@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Phoenix songs Where, oh where can I find this mysterious concert CD? Sophie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:23:51 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: weird tori amos things from germany At 06:47 PM 8/19/98 -0400, Nothing769@aol.com wrote: >Ok ok ok. a friend of mine just got home from germany, and he found this '*I* >Kant Tori Read' cd. (yes.... 'I' not 'Y') and, he bought it at this place >called 'world of music' which is supposed to be a US equivilant of TOWER (or >so I'm told) and, I dont know what is going on. it has 10 tracks: 1. the big >picture; 2. cool on your island; 3.fayth; 4.fire on the side; 5. pirates; 6. >floating city; 7. heart attack at 23 8. on the boundary; 9. you go to my head; >10. etienne trilogy (the highlands/etienne/skyeboat song. >it has a little 'atlantic' logo on it, and a serial number on the side. the >lettering of the weird title is red.... so.. if anyone knows whats up. It's a bootleg. A number of boots of YKTR have recently made it into "legit" {IE large chain stores like Tower, Virgin, and such} in Europe. There's a few ways to tell that it's a boot: 1) The bloody morons got the name wrong! Doh. 2) Atlantic doesn't release things in Europe, that's EastWest's job. 3) YKTR was never released in Europe. 4) Check the catalogue number. It should be 81845-2 -- most bootlegs have it as 81845-1 {the -1 is the universal standard for vinyl, not CDs}. 5) A real YKTR would have white with red printing on the spine, most boots have black with white printing. 6) Check the picture. It should have a picture with Tori standing with a sword slung across her shoulders. Some of the boots use the correct picture, others use the picture from the cover of the Cool on Your Island 7" single {which is a head'n'shoulders shot of Tori looking to her left, no sword}. >I also >have a copy of this 'BT BLUE SKIES' thing that features her. what is that?? oh >goodness. someone please help!! BT is a techno guy, he remixed Talula for Tori. She returned the favor by doing the vocals for "Blue Skies". It's available in several formats: * UK CD single with a blue cover * UK CD single with a grey cover {they differ by the remixes of Blue Skies on them} * BT's US album IMA * 12" vinyl * Party of Five soundtrack It was released a couple of years ago, and none of the various formats are particularly hard to find. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Tori in Knoxville, 8/15/98 I never used to believe there was such a thing as "perfectly" played music. After this Knoxville show, I'm not so sure. My mind kept toggling back and forth between thinking "I have to figure out *some* way to get to more shows," and wondering if I really even wanted to go to the *next* show for which I have a ticket, because I didn't see how it could possibly compare with this one or take us anyplace new. The first hint that greatness might be in store for us this night was during The Devlins' set, when the audience proved themselves to be not only respectful and extremely enthusiastic, but also hip, as they did not start applauding when Colin Devlin changed from acoustic to electric guitars during the song Waiting. (This was also the best set I ever saw The Devlins perform, easily topping even the Richmond show days earlier. They've loosened up considerably and seem to be having a better time of things, and are playing with more energy.) A fabulous audience is only one ingredient in a great Tori concert, but an essential one. She'd seemed relaxed and casual in the afternoon, and I was keeping my hopes high for a wonderful show. I needn't have worried. Here's the set list-- Precious Things Crucify Cruel Siren Black-Dove (January) Liquid Diamonds - ------------ Me and a Gun Merman - ------------ Sugar Little Earthquakes iieee The Waitress - ------------ ENCORE #1 She's Your Cocaine Raspberry Swirl - ------------ ENCORE #2 Purple People Horses As we were sitting there waiting for the show to begin, one friend had asked me why Tori hadn't performed Black-Dove in a while. I'd said that Little Earthquakes was the main song I wanted to hear, and almost requested it in the afternoon but had refrained. (I'm just not a song- requesting kind of a guy.) I added that I'd missed hearing Black-Dove at shows, too. I'd also been specifically hoping for Purple People. :-) One song after the next would begin, and we were shaking our heads in collective disbelief. I'm no set list queen, but this show included every song that my friends and I had said amongst ourselves before the show that we wanted to hear, and, in the case of Merman, one we'd not even dared fantasize about hearing. That alone took my breath away. I pretty much stopped taking notes after the third song since everything was so uniformly incredible, so let me quickly get all that out of the way and then make general comments. Precious was even more focused and powerful than usual, and it's almost always one song that can be counted on to make a huge impact, anyway. I'll take this opportunity to say that Matt was spot-on during this entire show, adding a sense of integration of the whole ensemble. The fluid ease with which he hit them things was wonderful. All three of those guys are ALWAYS fabulous, and I can't say enough good about any of them individually, as well as how they all work as a group. I absolutely love the hell out of each of those guys. Steve Caton is like on another planet, though. He pulls stuff down from nowhere and integrates it with the songs. Mind-boggling. As a unit, they always seem more tuned into Tori's mood than I expected would be possible for a backing band to be, and they are definitely capable of following her, and are *prepared* to follow her absolutely anywhere she wants to go. On nights such as this one, they'll follow her to new heights. On other nights, such as the Glasgow concert on May 22, they've followed her into a deep hole, from which there was no escape. Perhaps by now Matt has figured out how to avoid such a pitfall in the future by kicking a bit more life into the proceedings without disrespecting where Tori's head is. (*There's* a challenge.) Crucify was notable for having multiple repeats with much vocal extemporizing--just the way I love hearing the song enriched. Cruel was incredibly powerful, as was the vocal soaring portion in particular. This was the first show I saw on the plugged '98 tour which was dominated by a wonderful mainstay feature of the Dew Drop Inn tour: the music poured down in great waterfalls, absolutely drenching us in glory. On the DDI tour, Tori was usually playing alone, and at most, all she had to concern herself with was Steve Caton's being able to follow her when she would go down the road a piece on excursions. I can imagine it would be difficult at best to be able to get to a place with three other players where she knew she didn't have to concern herself with them, and if they were going to remain with her as she followed her muse. They're at that point now, as that's where all the touring thus far has brought them. She is now able to do darn near anything which strikes her fancy, and is able to have the peace of mind that she won't end up way off somewhere all by herself. That's not only freeing for her, but essential if she's to be able to go where she must on this tour in terms of expression--and that's what brought her to us in the first place and why we love her so much. I honestly didn't hear a weak moment in this show, nor a wasted note--by any of them. In more than one manner, Tori seems increasingly able to work the band as an extension of herself. She knows how they'll keep ideas going and the arrangements full when she lays out largely or sometimes even entirely for sections of songs, and more and more recently I've seen her using body movements which are as if the dance moves of some sensuous conductor, to prompt the guys onward through her own personal form of voodoo. Such episodes nearly always involve much fun and even laughter; whether it's Tori writhing on the bench nearly on her back while looking over her shoulder at Jon in the beginning of iieee, or lifting her body up from her seat and onto bouncing, bent legs during Waitress so as to engage Steve "Crazy Legs" Caton in dynamic interplay, by using little more than some well-aimed shoulders as she weaves side-to-side while he glides about at the tip of her piano. It's as if watching two playful housecats squaring off. All of this makes for big fun and good music, and would never have become possible were not they all in such a position of mutual respect and trust, which they clearly are. Around seven or eight songs in, I whispered into the ear of the friend on my right, "I don't know if I'll make it through the rest of this concert," then in between songs a few minutes later, the friend on my left whispered to *me*, "I don't know how many more songs I can take." It was *that* overwhelmingly, densely rich. We were creaming, alright--one after the other all night long with no let-up. Well, so far as I know we all made it through the whole show. Yes, the July 19 Chicago concert was more powerful, and yes, the November 11, 1996 concert in Boulder--the final show of the Dew Drop Inn tour--was more achingly, heart-breakingly emotional; and I'm really not the kind of person to always seek comparisons between people and situations, but the collection of grizzled concert veterans I was sitting with at this show who had something like a hundred concerts under our collective belt all had no question that we had been concertized as never before. I have been given to understand that there are indeed some specific surprises in store for concert-goers at upcoming shows on this tour. One just never can tell what might be in store on any given night, and I know they're working on adding new songs all the time. I'm just glad Tori's not sick anymore. That she seems to be making up for those scary, health-impaired shows is a tremendous relief. That she can even occasionally manifest the entirety of her energy in one show from start to finish is beautiful. Damn, I hate missing any shows. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:33:01 EDT From: Cindy2Love@aol.com Subject: Re: Courtney Love the Professional Widow A very nice person from this list brought to my attention the following : (I didn't know if he/she wanted his/her name mentioned) OK, I've got a few interpretations to suggest.. > slag pit Multiple interpretations here. A "slag", in British slang, is a loose woman, and "to slag someone off" is to verbally abuse them, which seems to be kind of a specialty of Courtney's.. > starfucker just like my Daddy > just like my Daddy selling his baby > just like my Daddy Courtney's father has claimed to be a close friend of the Grateful Dead, and apparently has made a living off it. Courtney allegedly used to be a groupie.. > Mother Mary > china white China White is a type of heroin. I think the connection is obvious. Well I can't believe I didn't even add that to my interpretation since I've done China White. Ugh. Okay I'm on a mission to find that quote where Tori hints the song is about Courtney Love. Thanks for your time EWF! :-) Cindy Oh and I don't know if ladygodiva13@hotmail.com aka Lorelei's message got posted, but I think everyone should read it because I think it's awesome :-) So here it is. <> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:33:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: How to switch to the digest version How to switch to the digest version of precious-things: 1) address your email to majordomo@smoe.org 2) in the body of the message put only unsubscribe precious-things subscribe precious-things-digest 3) send the email Mike precious-things co-owner | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #294 *************************************