From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #291 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- my js theory . . . [Aeniana@aol.com] Courtney Love the Professional Widow [Cindy2Love@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:05:57 EDT From: Aeniana@aol.com Subject: my js theory . . . greetings. i had a couple questions about js- not the video or the single, just the song! - that i'd like to get some feedback on. when i first heard it, it immediately brought to my mind the idea that here's jackie o, everything she ever wanted and ever dreamed, and she sees it shot down right in front of her face, and suddenly camelot turns into hell. kind of like your first ideas of love . . . you go into it thinking, this is it, this is what i've been waiting for . . (you said we were the real thing) and then in the middle you realize what it really is, and your entire evaluation of love gets shot down (and i learn) anyway, i hadn't heard anything about that angle in any of the interviews or posts or what-have-you, all i heard about was jackie's ability to hold up the nation after her husband got shot, and i really didn't see ANY of that in the song. well, the video, at the end, when little tori takes off big tori's veil and throws it into the wind, it's like saying you don't need this anymore, girl, you have me (yourself) and you just don't have to have all that other stuff to be a strong person. i just thought that that emphasized the interpretation that it wasn't so much about jackie o as it was having your own dreams shot down in your face, and realizing what you are entirely capable of. there's a lot more, but i've been blocked since my own shot dreams. you get the gist. any thoughts? thank you for listening devon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:27:06 EDT From: Cindy2Love@aol.com Subject: Courtney Love the Professional Widow This is from my lovely friend Mairie (Freque79@aol.com). Here ya go Cindy :] I hope I can remember all the stuff :] please note that i like courtney love and think hole is a cool band, and i sorta agree with the idea that the song could be about her. Professional Widow - -----the title is sorta due to how she went on MTV and souped up attention from Kurt Cobain's suicide.. or, if you're of the opinion that Kurt was murdered and Courtney Love was somehow involved, Professional Widow kinda makes it seem like she wanted him dead to give attention to Hole's album that came out right then, "Live Through This." slag pit stag shit honey bring it close to my lips yes - -----"it" = the gun that he blew his brains out with... i think he shot through his mouth, assuming they actually figured out how his head fit back together to see where the bullet entered... honey don't blow those brains yet we gotta be big boy we gotta be big - -----don't blow those brains yet, cause first we wanna be famous so that when you're found dead, there'll be a big huge deal made out of your suicide. We gotta be big and famous... starfucker just like my Daddy just like my Daddy selling his baby just like my Daddy gonna strike a deal make him feel like a Congressman it runs in the family - -----this applies somehow too, but i don't remember. I think it's on the grounds that she was involved with his murder, and she made a deal with someone to have him killed and have it covered up.. and i can't remember if the congressman part was basically just like cause there's all sorts of controversies about politicians being involved in making illegal deals and stuff... rest your shoulders Peaches and Cream everywhere a Judas as far as you can see beautiful angel calling "we got every re-run of Muhammad Ali" - -----no idea how this fits, except that it sorta insinuates the murder thing again. Judas in the bible was the apostle who betrayed Jesus (i don't do church so this could be slightly incorrect) and i think he was supposed to be one of Jesus's good friends.. that sorta says that someone close to him (maybe Krist Novoselic or Dave Grohl, his other band members) was involved in his murder. prism perfect honey bring it close to your lips yes what is termed a landslide of principle proportion boy it better be big boy starfucker just like my Daddy just like my Daddy selling his baby just like my Daddy gonna strike a deal make him feel like a Congressman it runs in the family Mother Mary china white brown maybe be sweeter she will supply she will supply she will supply she will supply gimme peace, love peace, love peace, love, and a hard cock! Trent Reznor (from Nine Inch Nails) said that Tori and him were developing a friendship but some malicious meddling on the part of Courtney Love ruined their growing friendship. Spin 1996 : "Other people put their fingers in the pie, and they kind of messed up a friendship. We're not that close now. Some malicious meddling on the part of Courtney Love. But I still feel the same feelings for Tori." >slag is also another name for a whore in Great Britain. Well there you go...... I don't really think very highly of Courtney Love (and that's me saying it in a nice way). Please don't write me if you like her and you feel the need to tell me. I am entitled to an opinion. Well when I think of the words "slag pit" I think of Courtney Love. Trent asked Courtney to open for six of his shows once. "The first three shows he didn't talk to her. 'In Cleveland she was completely intoxicated, a fucking mess.' He says that at one after show party she was passed out on a pool table with her dress hiked up, and people were taking photographs, as though it were all quite normal." Trent goes on to say that Courtney is fiercely competitive, and is obsessed with the media and how she is perceived. He called her a manipulator and a careerist. Basically she went around saying a lot of negative things about Trent (like saying he has a small penis and the band should be 3 inch nails instead of nine inch nails) and she said stuff that she would knew would hurt him and I think she said some not very nice things about his relationship with Tori and that's why their friendship got messed up. Here's an excerpt from Details Magazine 1995...... It is time to tell the legendary tale of Charles Manson, Tori Amos and a curiously uncooked chicken. Trent and Tori had become friends (he sang on her last album) and she would visit him at the Los Angeles house where the Downward Spiral was recorded. The house where Manson followers killed Sharon Tate. On one visit, Tori told a depressed Trent that she would whip up a hearty home cooked meal. The cursed chicken. After 6 hours in the Tate house oven, it was still bloody and raw. Tori's preferred excuse : "The spirits of the house wouldn't let in in." Eventually Trent left for another studio, where he ordered in. And the chicken? He shrugs. "I didn't ask. The ghost ate it." Tori Amos is also quoted as saying.... "Let's put it this way, Courtney Love and I have never spoken. We've never spoken about it and we've never spoken and I think it's best kept that way. We have mutual friends. I don't want to put them in a bad position." Well I just wanted to add to the conversation :-) May the faeries be with the all the EWF! :-) Cindy ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #291 *************************************