From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #283 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, August 12 1998 Volume 03 : Number 283 Today's Subjects: ----------------- kansas city [tangent ] charlotte extra tickets [Charlie Poole ] My Tori Turmoil ["Dan Lucy" ] God Remixes ["Capriccio 191" ] From "Esprit International" ["Mike Gray" ] searching for sunrise ["Erika Johnson" ] Mary [Robert L Reynolds ] JS/RS News fwd from IGG [Beth Coulter ] Southland/CDs cancelled [earthsis@spindle.net (earthsis@spindle.net)] The American Experience [EricThelen@t-online.de (Eric Thelen)] Big bucks for RS or JS ["Ryan -" ] JS Single at CDNOW [Tripp Gwyn ] News ["Giovanni Mantilla" ] Tori in Seventeen. [Leannoth@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:24:49 -0500 From: tangent Subject: kansas city hi. is anyone going to the kansas city show from (or going through) columbia, missouri? if so, i desperately need a ride :) i will give you money, bootlegs, plasma... you get the point. so, please email me back if you can help me out (plans fell through). ally ................drank your poison ...........didn't taste too sweet http://members.xoom.com/notsosoft bootlegs............................................ http://members.xoom.com/notsosoft/madness/guild.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: charlotte extra tickets Hi, Maybe someone could use these tickets. Please reply to Ken directly: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:18:15 -0400 From: Ken Langston To: cpoole@indiana.edu Subject: charlotte The charlotte concert is at ovens auditorium. I have two tickets that I need to get rid of. Know anyone who is interested? They can email me. This is for the concert on 8/12 in Charlotte, NC. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:04:02 PDT From: "Dan Lucy" Subject: My Tori Turmoil Hi. Sorry guys/gals, but this is going to be a lengthy message. If you don't feel like reading it, just delete it :) Anyway, here's the deal. I was laying in bed last night, thinking about my tori collection, and how it got started. Why I started it, etc. And I've come to a few conclusions about myself. First, I really got into tori after her unplugged appearance, and I really liked her music, her words really spoke to me. I thought, great, this is someone I can really get into as a person, instead of just a musician. Someone that I actually wanted to take the time to learn about, because they interested me enough. Well, I've done that. Then, due to some odd obsession, I began collecting anything and everything I could find with tori on it, or in it some way. It's very expensive, especially for a 17 year old. I've finally decided something about myself, like I said above. I am losing sight of why I got into tori in the first place, by collecting all this stuff. I'm losing sight of the music. I mean, when you have like 50 singles, there's no way you can listen to them all, Occasionally I will pull one out that has sat there for a long time, undisturbed, and play a song from it. But then I notice i've got like 5 other singles with the same song on it, and wonder, "what could have brought me to buy all these things, when I obviously don't need them?" It's just strange, and I don't expect everyone to understand. But I am losing sight of Tori's music, I have begun collecting things that just have her picture on it, like flats, ltd. edition posters, books, and things that I don't even need to enjoy tori. Lyric books, etc. I'm just not seeing the point of collecting anymore. I mean, yeah, in like 40+ years they may be worth a lot more than they are now, but I doubt in 40 years I am going to be even listening to her music anymore. Hopefully I can change with the times, you know what I mean? I'm gonna get bored eventually, I know that for a fact. This is a little odd sounding, but I used to do the same thing with those little "monster in my pocket" toys, when I was younger. I used to collect those things obsessively. Till one day, this same thing happened. I looked at my little stash of monster in my pocket things, and started questioning myself. I must have bought them for a reason? Why? It's just weird. I look at those beanie babies that sell for 900.00 on QVC, and tell myself that it's stupid for people to pay that much for a little bean bag animal. Then when I turn around and look at myself, I payed $150.00 for a YKTR vinyl, that I'll never be able to listen to, cause I don't have a record player. I figure that's just as silly. The thing with collecting is, when you collect, you start worrying about the monetary value of the object. Like, how much it's going to be worth in the future. In so many years, etc. I don't think I want to do that anymore. I'm tired of buying tori amos collectables, just to let them sit on my shelf, so I can look at them occasionaly. Inventory them. Guard them like a hawk. And feel actually upset if anything bad happens to them. Here's basically what I'm trying to say. I think that if you like someone like Tori Amos, you shouldn't need all her "stuff" to make you happy. You should be able to listen to a song, and get what you do from it. You don't have to obsess over every little thing with Tori's name on it. Or her picture. Read her interviews, and learn from them, but don't hoarde them. I mean. I'm not telling you people to do this stuff, It's just how I've been feeling lately, about myself. All you need is to hold her in your heart, and nothing else is necessary. That's the ultimate conclusion I've come to. I am going to be selling most of my Tori Amos collection, pretty soon on Ebay. I will be keeping a few things, like her main albums, and a couple soundtracks. Maybe a Magazine cover. But I'm done obsessing over her. I'm just gonna be a fan now. I will stay on this list, but if someone announces that promo cd's are coming out soon, i'm not gonna get as excited as I used to. I'll just get the album when it comes out or whatever. Keep this in mind. I'm only expressing MY opinions in this message. Noone has to Flame me for posting this, I just had to get it off my chest. I hope you guys can understand this :) If anyone wants to talk privately to me, in a nice way, please feel free to respond. Otherwise, just disregard me :) thanks for your time Dan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:54:15 PDT From: "Capriccio 191" Subject: God Remixes Ok info on the remixes for God: >From the God single CD: Dharma Kaya: REmixed by Joy...Talan/Fletcher. By kind permission of Chrysalis/EMI. At the Basement Manchester June '94. Additional programming and production by david Taln and Ali Fletcher. Additional Guitar: Ian Fletcher. Rainforest Resort: and Thinking Mix 2: Remix and additional production by Carl Craig for MCT. Engineered by Chris Andrews. There is another mix on the record (vinyl)called God: Acapella Vocal and Rain mix. I don't have a record player so I have never heard it, but it is done by the same people as the last two tracks on the CD. >how difficult is it to find the God 3-track promo with the Some >Guitar and No Guitar versions I usually see one at the Atlanta record show. I can't remember how much they go for, but there is a record show usually ever month or every other month. Jenn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:50:06 -0700 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: From "Esprit International" "TORI AMOS Raspberry Swirl (Lip Gloss Version - withdrawn UK 2-track promo-only CD inc Raspberry Swirl Naked Version, nice custom p/s) " See that word... "withdrawn".... doesn't bode well. Also noticed that they'd used their usual "think of a number, multiply it by any other number" pricing policy... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:04:22 -0400 From: "Erika Johnson" Subject: searching for sunrise Hi I have a friend who needs one or possibly two tickets to either the Aug. 21/22 shows at Sunrise. If anyone has any extra's they need to get rid of please mail me privately. Fankoo =) Ta Erika guildy@worldnet.att.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------- "so then love walked up to like, and said i know that you don't like me much let's go for a ride " -- Tori Amos -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:56:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert L Reynolds Subject: Mary Hello everybody! I have a quick question: Mary is my all-time fav. Tori song, but the only version I've heard is the "Demo" one from LE Demos and Outtakes. I was just wondering... Could anyone who has heard these tell me how they're different? Thanks everyone! - -Rob ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Robert Reynolds rreynol3@utk.edu UT Hodges Library Serials Dept. Dark Prince "If you call me an airy-fairy new age hippy waif, I will cut your penis off." -Tori Amos http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/9346/main1.html ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:52:36 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: JS/RS News fwd from IGG Recieved this from Allan at IGG. Hope this helps stir the confusion. ;) > >OTHER NEWS > >Our UK suppliers are still up in the air about Jackie's Strength/Raspberry >Swirl/?? There will be another single, POSSIBLY A MINI-ALBUM, that's for >certain. Please be patient and leave your orders in place until this >settles with WEA/East West in the UK. Your money is safe and we'll take >good care of you. > > Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated weekly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:30:59 -0500 From: earthsis@spindle.net (earthsis@spindle.net) Subject: Southland/CDs cancelled Just got this from Southland CD. If you sent a check or money order, this is the outcome.... (credit cards haven't been charged) Very bummed, Angela~ - -------- HI, ; You will be getting a refund, because both of these singles have been cancelled. Best, SCD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:11:25 +0200 From: EricThelen@t-online.de (Eric Thelen) Subject: The American Experience Hi everybody. Some of you, who have read the reviews about Tori's recent show in Springfield and about the appearance of Merman during this show, may have already noticed that there have been a few 'Europeans' following Tori for a week from New York via Philadelphia and Boston to Springfield. I was one of them and have now been motivated - by somebody whose reviews I always enjoy reading very much - to write a few comments about my American tour experience. So what is different between the United States and Europe? It is always Tori, but there actually are some differences, in my opinion, which is, of course, subjective. First of all, it is much easier to actually meet Tori in Europe. The number of people showing up at the meet&greets before soundcheck is significantly lower over here. If you are at the stage entrance before Tori shows up you can almost be sure that you will get to talk to her for a second and can ask her to sign something for you. 5 pm might even be early enough, if Tori has not yet arrived. In the States, you better show up around noon and you still cannot be sure that you end up in first row at the barricades. For some shows in Europe (e.g. Vienna) they did not even need barricades at all - with not more than 10 people waiting! On the other hand, the communication with Tori is a little different over here, because most people only speak so much English as they have learnt in school. But Tori is very patient and very friendly and nice to everybody - no matter whether the sentence spoken to her makes any sense. And the communication works somehow, anyway. But in America, it is a little more relaxed. Tori actually makes jokes with people, there is more interaction. In Europe, Tori played very different venues this time. There were some open air shows and some festivals. But there were also shows in philharmonic halls, e.g. in Munich and Frankfurt. The acoustics there can hardly be compared to places like Madison Square Garden or the Spectrum in Philadelphia - those philharmonic places have been designed for music! The Springfield symphony hall came close to the sound quality in these venues, but the bigger arenas cannot really be compared with that. I think that Tori actually choses different songs to take the different environments into account. She plays more 'rock songs' in the arenas, while slower melody oriented piano based songs occur more often in the philharmonic halls. Oh, I realize that I should be careful with my statements: I do not say that arena shows are worse - they are just different. The atmosphere is more like a big party with everybody enjoying themselves and having a good time, where in other places the music itself is a little more in the foreground. I have to make a couple of comments about the American Ears With Feet. I met very nice people during my tour in Europe and I still have contact with many of them. But the hospitality that we encountered during our days in the States was incredible! I am not going to mention names here, but there were some really wonderful people I very much hope to keep in touch with and I like to thank all of them very much for making this experience so very special. In general, the Tori experience in America is like a huge party during the entire day of the show, starting from the time the first people arrive for the meet&greet until after the show when everybody leaves again, after Tori and the band have already left, of course. And everybody talks to everybody, because we all have something in common and we know that. I cannot say that I observed much more screaming during songs during the shows in the States - the venues were just bigger. A little difference is that in Europe people usually remained seated during the entire show - only sometimes people stood up after 'Waitress' and remained standing for the encores. In the States - except the symphony hall in Springfield where it did not seem to be appropriate - everybody stood up when Tori took the stage and remained standing during the entire show. Some people rushed to the front and started to dance there - while this seemed to be the usual habit in the States this was only exceptionally the case during the shows in Europe. I really believe that it makes a difference for Tori where she is playing. She has stated that before the show she tunes in to the atmosphere of the place. And I have the impression that she actually feels at home in the States. During our trip, we were the visitors. In Europe (London - and maybe England in general - is different, though, because she is also at home there and her husband is British) she may have sometimes felt like she visited us when she arrived for her shows. Does this make sense? Finally, please allow me some more words, because there are so many people reading all those messages who might not have the chance to see Tori during the tour at all. Being a 'Toriphile' and joining the 'Ears With Feet' really has nothing at all to do with how many shows you have seen or how many times you have met Tori or how many autographs you have or how many pictures taken together with her. Nothing at all. In my opinion it has to do with being touched by her music, being moved so much by just listening to her that you actually feel an emotional connection with this woman who creates all this beauty and who you do not know at all (except the scratches on the surface that you observe via interviews) and who does not know you. It means that you actually care about what happens to her and hope that she is well. Those of us who have the chance to thank her for what she has done for us can try to give back to her a little bit of the energy that she gives us in her songs and performances. I am sure she knows that those of us that she sees at the meet&greets only represent many more who feel the same. And I hope she is proud of that. Everybody enjoy 'your' shows, Eric (with a 'c') ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:03:24 PDT From: "Ryan -" Subject: Big bucks for RS or JS I am searching desperately for Raspberry Swirl cancelled singles, promos, or the video, as well as Jackie's Strength video, promos or singles. I will pay for many copies. I also have an extensive Tori collection. I am willing to pay or trade. Email me; bleepo@hotmail.com Thank you, Ryan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:50:54 -0400 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: JS Single at CDNOW You can preorder the JS single at CDNOW. Bad news however, it does not list Beulah Land as a B-side or anything about an enchancedCD. And it is very cheap. SO that deal might not happen. Never Seen Blue is listed as a B_side. The release date is Sept 1. Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:26:43 -0500 From: "Giovanni Mantilla" Subject: News Hey all, According to Music Boulevard... Jackie's Strength will be released in the US (!!!) on September 1st!! Go check it at: http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/21953_42_0000001604 They have also cancelled the Raspberry Swirl UK Imports, as expected. This is exciting news... I hope this doesn't get delayed. :) Giovanni http://come.to/corncity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:59:50 EDT From: Leannoth@aol.com Subject: Tori in Seventeen. I thought my subscription to Seventeen magazine ran out a long time ago, but today I got the newest copy in the mail, and I was glad, because there's an article about Tori in it. The magazine has Brandy on the front. I haven't read the article yet, but there are two good pictures with it - the one where her hair is straight and she has a black tank top-thing on, and a concert picture of her at the piano. Just thought you might want to know. Sorry if this has already been mentioned. :) ~~Andréa. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #283 *************************************