From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #250 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, July 12 1998 Volume 03 : Number 250 Today's Subjects: ----------------- My first post, yay yay yay [IvoryIsle@aol.com] for sale / trade: UK 7" God picture disc [Dennis Snelders ] Re: tell me which hand I use [Danielle Ringrose ] im going to paris [Lnt1010@aol.com] Re: Well of all things! Jackie cancelled in the UK.... Raspberry Swirl *WILL*... [Lil3rthqk] Re: tell me which hand I use [Yessaid@aol.com] tori on vh1 [roller girl ] ADMIN: Web page wars [Michael Curry ] Canadian releases [agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby)] [none] ["Nephilim" ] Re: tell me which hand I use... [BlueGirl88@aol.com] Re: tell me which hand I use... [Richard Handal ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:20:29 EDT From: IvoryIsle@aol.com Subject: My first post, yay yay yay So like I said, this is my first showing-of-myself to the list cause I just got on today. I'm hoping this isn't a stupid question, but I have really been wondering about this... WHAT happened to "To the Fair Motormaids of Japan"???? Tori SAID she had recorded this and was waiting for the right time to release it. That just chaps my ass that there is a song recorded that is all ready to go and isn't available :( Kind of like that Tori/Michael Stipe thing which I would also run laps to hear. All right, get back to me on this if you know anything about it. ~~Katie (Sorry, no webpage or anything to send along) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:18:21 +0200 From: Dennis Snelders Subject: for sale / trade: UK 7" God picture disc Hi, not too long ago I bought this item on a Dutch record fair and now I want to get rid of it! Its condition is fine. tracks: A. god AA. god (vocal and rain mix) If you're from the Netherlands: the price is HFL 20,-- (exactly what i paid for it, so there's no profit for me) If you're not from the netherlands, you can only trade because changing US dollars to guilders costs a fortune in itself down here. Are you interested in this item, please e-mail me privately. bye, - -- Dennis Snelders e-mail: dsnelders@geocities.com Dutch Tori Amos page 'Little Amsterdam': http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/1017/littleamsterdam.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: tell me which hand I use... "Cindy & Sarah" quoted huge amounts of background of Tori discussing Yes Anastasia, then said: > I'd like to give credit to the website I found these quotes on, but I > just can't remember where I found them. Sorry about that. Now is where I turn pedantic. There is a simple remedy for this situation. Always, *always*, ALWAYS save the URL for anything you've gotten off a web site. If you're saving a post from a mailing list, always save enough of the header information so you can tell who posted it, to which list, and when. If you don't do these things, you end up with paragraphs written by who knows whom which were floating in space, and that's nearly useless. Even if you *do* save the URL or the mailing list header, you still don't know where it came from before there, but at least you have *something* to go on, and you might be able to back-track and figure out the original source of the item in question. It might be the most you can do, and it might not be enough to add veracity to any of these glistening pearls of supposed wisdom waiting to grab everyone's attention here on the internet, but the way I feel about it is that it is, most definitely, the *least* you can do. With real estate it's "location, location, location." With information it's "provenance, provenance, provenance"--where the supposed information came from. If you don't know where it came from, you cannot judge its value. If you can't judge its value, why save it in the first place? Sorry to be this preachy, but this is important, dammit. And quite basic. Thanks for putting up with the rant. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:42:36 +1000 From: Danielle Ringrose Subject: Re: tell me which hand I use >Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:32:27 EDT >From: BlueGirl88@aol.com >Here's what Tori had to say about "Yes Anastasia" >I'd like to give credit to the website I found these quotes on, but I just >can't remember where I found them. Sorry about that. Just outta curiosity, did you by any chance get them from the Tori Amos lyric Database? (TALD) because all quotes, bar one, are in the precise order they appear on the page. I know this because I'm the poor bugger that's gotta find all these wonderful quotes! :) My boyf and I have chucked that page together (lordy knows it took us 6 months! uni *does* tend to get in the way, after all), and are in the middle of trying to promote it in the online Tori community. so, just in case anyone else is curious, the URL is: http://www.home.aone.net.au/evos/dan/tori/tald.html (apologies for a very long addy) and is a collection of quotes that Tori has said about her songs. However, in addition to this, we're trying to collect all the lyrics for all of Tori's songs, including covers. Ugh. Very arduous task, and thank goodness for the lyrics server. I feel tired now. I've spent a good hour pouring over the Tori articles on the Dent, searching for good quotes. Lots of love, Dani. == d a n i e l l e r i n g r o s e fadagurl@torithoughts.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/1529 "The internet is a great way to get on the net." - Bob Dole. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:23:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Amethyest@webtv.net (Alice) Subject: Foam? Halo all, This is my first time posting I'm finally delurking after 4 months.I was listening to Pandora's Aquarium when I began to think about the foam line:"foam can be dangerous with tape across my mouth." Is it actual foam or something else? I've seen foam discussed in newsgroups(not r.m.t-a) and many people would to refer to it as some sort of drug.I'm really curious about this.Anyone have any interps of what Tori might mean by it? - -Alice- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:20:28 -0400 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Phoenix is SOO Kewl! If you haven't bought the Phoenix boot yet, you must. IT is soooo good. The version of Merman on their is beyond wonderful quality. The overall quality of the boot is excellent, however, if you have this boot, do you get lots of pops and cracks and even a few skips on the Last two tracks on CD-1 (Horses, and Cruel)? I think I might have to call Rainy-Day. The pictures are wonderful. THe cover is from the Alternative Press cover. The photo on the back of the cover is from the interior of Q. And the photo on the back is the tracklist and clips of concert footage from AP. The must stunning pic is the one under the CD. IT is Tori with partially curly hair in the dark with butterfly's around her. Does ANYONE know where this came from?? I'd really like to have a scan.. Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:42:42 EDT From: Lnt1010@aol.com Subject: im going to paris hey everybody. I'm going to paris for 5 weeks. this is my second or third post ever and its to say goodbye. I'm making a tape of tori amos songs for my boyfriend to listen to when he misses me. Any suggestions? He loves her "harder" and i like her "softer" songs. so eliminate those in between. ok thanks in advance. lizzie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:58:18 EDT From: Lil3rthqks@aol.com Subject: Re: Well of all things! Jackie cancelled in the UK.... Raspberry Swirl *WILL*... What?!? So does this mean it won't be released at all? I'm not sure what "e/w" is; I had pre-ordered the CD from Southland, which still lists the release date as 8/03/98...anyone else? In a message dated 98-07-10 15:49:13 EDT, mike.gray@zetnet.co.uk writes: << Hi Guys.. I never would have believed it, and if it hadn't been for E/w's past record for incompetent promotion, I'd be sat here thinking "typo". But nope... Raspberry Swirl has today been confirmed as the next single in the UK, due to be released on August 3rd. So... 1)The E/w representatives in-store did not know this on *TUESDAY* 2)E/w have been promoting Jackie's Strength both in the trade press and 3)With in-store sampler CDs 4)Release dates for JS have been issued twice now - firstly for the 29th of June? and then 3rd of August 5)They've just changed their minds. WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON WITH THAT?! Someone give e/w a good kick for being clueless, please? I mean, OK, OK, OK, so JS wasn't going to be overly commercially successful, but now I think we'll be getting remixes. Oh well, sorry to have been spreading misinformation all these weeks. And even more sorry that someone was spreading it to their own representatives... So Mike, it looks like whoever was telling you it was the next single was right. Oddly, though, a friend of mine (whose SO works for Esprit incidentally) was still telling me on Monday that it was to be JS on 2 CDs, and that this had been put about in the trade press as recently as last Saturday. Take care. Mike (Who feels like he only opens his mouth to change feet these days..) >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:24:13 EDT From: Yessaid@aol.com Subject: Re: tell me which hand I use fadagurl@torithoughts.org (Danielle Ringrose) said: <<< so, just in case anyone else is curious, the URL is: xxxxxxxxxxxxx and is a collection of quotes that Tori has said about her songs. However, in addition to this, we're trying to collect all the lyrics for all of Tori's songs, including covers. Ugh. Very arduous task, and thank goodness for the lyrics server. >>> I really don't see why there needs to be a hundred web sites about the same thing. My page, Toriphoria, has quotes from Tori about most of her songs and many other things. I've been working on it for about a year now, so it's pretty comprehensive. I guess I should promote it more in the online tori community. The URL is: http://members.aol.com/Yessaid/Toriphoria.html j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:31:55 -0500 From: roller girl Subject: tori on vh1 tori was in a little blurb on vh1's "before they were stars" or something and they showed the pic that was in people's 50 most beautiful a few years ago, as well as a high school photo from one of her million autobiographies, and then a little clip of CALS. (very little, like .0000001 of a second) (: if this was previously mentioned, sorry! (i dont usually watch vh1, but there were way too many commercials during the beastieorgaphy ;) .ally. we nego t iate {i am an ally } with c h a o s {icicle@hempseed.com } for some sense { } of satisfaction {tori amos in clip } {http://come.to/tori-amos} http://members.xoom.com/notsosoft ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:17:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: Web page wars Hi all, With all the Tori web pages out there every now and then a web author may feel, deservedly or not, that another web page owner has stolen their work without giving them proper credit. I would rather not have precious-things serve as a forum for such claims (and the counterclaims that often follow) as they tend to stray into flame territory. If you have a problem with another web author's use of what you consider to be your work then take if up with that person. Mike precious-things co-owner | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:22:33 -0400 From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Subject: Canadian releases >The thing that I find most odd is >that they woud use the same issue number for a US release, and a supposed >Canadian release, with different track listings. When as far as I know >seperate Canadian releases don't even exist. there is a seperate Canadian release for the "cornflake girl" single. canadian releases are just funny like that. - -rusty check out http://www.cantnot.org/imogen _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:42:04 -0400 From: "Nephilim" Subject: [none] Hi all well this is a reminder of an announcement I made two weeks ago. I am working on this project called, The Tori Book, (for now anyways). I want everyone who is interested to contribute to the book. The book will be presented to Tori as a gift from all her EWF to her. Think of it as a yearbook of sorts from her internet fans to her. You can find more information at my site, The Tori Corner (http://www.concentric.net/~nephilim/tori.html ) or go to the Tori Book Info Page directly at http://www.concentric.net/~nephilim/book.html Please lets all contribute to this book and make very special to Tori. Thanks Alex - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- The Tori Amos Corner ( http://come.to/tori.corner ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:42:54 EDT From: BlueGirl88@aol.com Subject: Re: tell me which hand I use... You know I got alot of email from people saying they appreciated the quotes we sent to the list, but not one of those people were pissed they we didn't know the location of the quotes...... I just saved them on an email page for my cousin Cindy and I, but then we ATTEMPTED to be nice and share....... I find it really sad that you'd get upset over such a trivial issue of where we got the quotes........ Who cares? Tori wrote it.....You can find out where she said it yourself! It's not that difficult.... You act like I wrote a paper and plagarized........ We were only trying to be nice and add to the 'Yes Anastasia' conversation...... Please save your rants for something more important...... You try to be nice and this is what you get........... Thanks for your time....... Sarah Oh by the way Cindy remembered getting some of them from: http://www.home.aone.net.au/evos/dan/tori/tald.html Great Site Dani!!!! and Toriphoria which you can find a link to on the Dent....... In a message dated 7/11/98 9:44:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, handal@access.digex.net writes: > "Cindy & Sarah" quoted huge amounts of background of Tori discussing Yes > Anastasia, then said: > > > I'd like to give credit to the website I found these quotes on, but I > > just can't remember where I found them. Sorry about that. > > Now is where I turn pedantic. There is a simple remedy for this situation. > Always, *always*, ALWAYS save the URL for anything you've gotten off a web > site. If you're saving a post from a mailing list, always save enough of > the header information so you can tell who posted it, to which list, and > when. > > If you don't do these things, you end up with paragraphs written by who > knows whom which were floating in space, and that's nearly useless. Even > if you *do* save the URL or the mailing list header, you still don't know > where it came from before there, but at least you have *something* to go > on, and you might be able to back-track and figure out the original source > of the item in question. > > It might be the most you can do, and it might not be enough to add > veracity to any of these glistening pearls of supposed wisdom waiting to > grab everyone's attention here on the internet, but the way I feel about > it is that it is, most definitely, the *least* you can do. > > With real estate it's "location, location, location." With information > it's "provenance, provenance, provenance"--where the supposed information > came from. If you don't know where it came from, you cannot judge its > value. If you can't judge its value, why save it in the first place? > > Sorry to be this preachy, but this is important, dammit. And quite basic. > > Thanks for putting up with the rant. > > Be seeing you, > > Richard Handal, H.G. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:35:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: tell me which hand I use... Sarah said, referencing a prior post of mine: > You know I got alot of email from people saying they appreciated the > quotes we sent to the list, but not one of those people were pissed they > we didn't know the location of the quotes...... [sigh] I wasn't pissed. I never said I was pissed. *I* wasn't the one who apologized for not being able to tell folks where the quotes came from. I wouldn't have posted anything had that apology not been included with the quotes. > I find it really sad that you'd get upset over such a trivial issue of > where we got the quotes........ It is not a trivial issue. This is a genuine problem. Many people in the information business, especially librarians, consider much of the internet to be a joke for this very reason. Anyone can put up anything on a web site. There's no inherent reason to trust it just because it's on a web site. This is something which I continue to hope folks can become more aware of and correct. If the internet can become a better, more reliable place for dissemination of information then it's beyond me why anyone wouldn't want that. I'm not here to teach a course in information science. I don't go on and on at length about a variety of these kinds of issues. But by following one simple rule--keeping track of where something came from--a lot of the reasons the internet isn't trustable can be largely eliminated. Believe me, I am well aware that this is a difficult concept for a lot of people to grasp. Some folks seem to think Tori quotes are like the bible is to some fundamentalist Christians: "Tori said it, I believe it, and that settles it." Tori is a dynamic person who goes through a lot of changes. When, and under what circumstance she says something needs to be taken into consideration when evaluating things she says. If someone can't see that something Tori said in 1992 might be a totally different thing had she said it in 1996 then there's certainly nothing I can do to explain that to them, and I do not intend to try. I think it's nice when people want to share things. I'm not planning to stop trying to explain this, and other basic principles of information science to folks on the Tori lists, though. I've been doing it for nearly five years already, and I happen to know that a number of people with respected, major web sites are grateful for my helping them to understand some of these concepts. They realize how much it has increased the value of their sites to anyone interested in learning more about Tori. I'm not making up any of this stuff. These are basic tried and true principles which have been used by librarians and scholars the world over for many, many years. Anyone attempting to be serious about this stuff has to accept them to be *taken* seriously. I know everyone won't understand this stuff. I'm used to the role of Cassandra, believe me. It's the simultaneous role of Sisyphus that grates on me. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #250 *************************************