From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #246 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, July 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 246 Today's Subjects: ----------------- choirgirl desktop [Raintori@aol.com] Tori concert ["'Litz" ] New on-sale dates from RDT [Greg Burrell ] ...tell me which hand I use... [Ashley Blaize ] my northern lad [Bobdel123@aol.com] Re: tori and relationships ["Thomas Mazorlig" ] Intro ["Jessica Rosa" ] websites and tori ["glytter grrl" ] Re: Northern Lad business . . . [BlueGirl88@aol.com] Neil the Suicidal Hippy ["Diana" ] [none] ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] I am such a ding-a-ling... ["Raisin Girl" ] Re: ...tell me which hand I use... [BlueGirl88@aol.com] Re: tori and relationships [Mikewhy ] Re: ...tell me which hand I use... ["kiRa" ] Re: tori and relationships ["kiRa" ] Re: ...tell me which hand I use... [Tripp Gwyn ] re: what mikewhy said [Lnt1010@aol.com] SHE'S RIGHT HANDED!!: ) [reaganb@infowest.com] my new tori site [RasbrySwrI@aol.com] Re: ...tell me which hand I use... [HRHGypsy@aol.com] Re: ...tell me which hand I use... [HRHGypsy@aol.com] Re: ...tell me which hand I use... [VeganCat7@aol.com] *help* looking for a page [Aurora252@aol.com] tori relationships & northern lad [JupiterCMS@aol.com] Re: Neil the Suicidal Hippy [glklos@juno.com (Gillian L Klos)] Re: ...tell me which hand I use... [Inuit97@aol.com] Tori in August Details Magazine [Jenn ] Roskilde RAINN donation [P1ANOMAN@aol.com] Northern Lad & the Choirgirls [JupiterCMS@aol.com] Re: ...tell me which hand I use... [Katie Meeker ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:44:42 EDT From: Raintori@aol.com Subject: choirgirl desktop hey.... does anyone know where i can find a choirgirl hotel desktop theme? kimmie january grrl "girls you've got to know when it's time to turn the page..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:33:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Litz" Subject: Tori concert Hey, everyone!!! I'm pretty new to the list, but I just had to post this exciting news. Tori is coming to Phoenix (where I live) on Sept. 27. Tickets go on sale Friday morning. I am absolutely ecstatic!!! I can't wait to see her live again. The other two shows I've been to were amazing! I am, however, a little disappointed because the upcoming show is at a large venue, while the others were at smaller, more intimate locations. I'm afraid this might take away some of the magic that made the other shows so great. Also, this really cuts down on chances for a meetand greet. If anybody has any thoughts on this, I'd love to hear them. 'Litz Come visit my Tori site at http://www.gurlpages.com/obsess/kali222/TradeList/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:34:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Burrell Subject: New on-sale dates from RDT Hi Everybody, 7/7/98 CONCERTS These are all the concerts that Tori's management confirmed as going on sale this weekend. ------------------------------------------------------------ Concert City Venue On-Sale Date Date ------------------------------------------------------------ 9/9 Vancouver, BC GM Place 7/11 9/13 Eugene, OR Cuthbert Amphitheater 7/10 9/20 Santa Barbara, CA Santa Barbara Bowl 7/11 9/27 Phoenix, AZ America West Arena 7/10 -Greg Burrell The Official Tori Amos Fanzine News Editor http://www.toriamos.org Really Deep Thoughts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: ...tell me which hand I use... I was listening to 'Yes, Anastasia' today and one of the first lines hit me in an odd way. "If you know me so well then, tell me which hand I use..." Which hand does Tori use dominantly? I'm right handed and a piano player as well. I noted that Tori has very strong left handed parts and this could refer to her being a lefty. But I also play strongly with my left hand at times. Depends on the song I guess. But anyways.... Me and my friends went through every Tori book and magazine article that I have. And every picture I have and can't figure it out. I think that from the two page spread of Tori on the phone smiling in her apartment in the Cornflake Girl book, she's a righty. She's got a pen in her right hand. But she could just be holding it. Also in the Choirgirl booklet, she's holding a pencil in her right hand. So, is she right handed? Any thoughts on this? Thanks, even though you think I'm nuts.... Ashley == 'If you love enough, you'll lie a lot....' - Tori Amos _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:38:31 EDT From: Bobdel123@aol.com Subject: my northern lad hey i've posted many times but this my first time putting my neck on the chopping block here. this is my interpretation of northern lad: had a northern lad well not exactly had [with this i think that she is saying that she had a man and then she lost him so she didn't exactly have him] he moved like the sunset god who painted that - [i think this is like what she said in AP " that's the thing about letting old lovers go. you don't stop loving some of them. there are a couple you love no less than you ever did. " her love for eric is like the sunset fading slowly and beautiful, but it keeps coming back. and it could be his ghost passing through.] first he loved my accent how his knees could bend [ could this be about control. about how he fell in love with her accent and how she contoled him by some way (not her accent) and he would bend under her control.] i thought we'd be okay me and my molasses [this could be how she and her child could survive without him, being her first time on tour without eric. and how the two of them could make it alone. the baby also could be her bosendorfer (just a thought, as to how she couldn't make it on her own on DDI, and now she has a band and mark hawley)] i feel something is wrong but i feel this cake just isn't done [about how things aren't just complete without him. he is an ingredient, and without him it doesn't work. yet you can change a receipe for pound cake to chocolate cake with a dab of cocoa.] don't say you don't and if you could see me now said if you could see me now [she is saying here that she can make it without him, and he should try to make it. for him not to say that he isn't or that he won't.] girls you've got to know when its time to turn the page when you're only wet because of the rain [could this be that when you are with someone and there is no sexual or physical attraction of being wet or moist, that you should go on to the next chapter. sometimes the one your on gets so old and boring, you just have to go on.] he don't show much these days gets so fucking cold [in putting the damagae on she speaks of him going to the mountain tops, and i was thinking isn't it cold on top of a mountain. maybe now she's on the mountain looking for what took him there or for him, and its fucking cold.] i loved his secret places but i can't go anymore [when you are with someone they allow you into places you can't access usually so she misses that. she misses his secrets, and she has lost that now.] "you change like sugar cane" says my northern lad i guess you go to far when pianos try to be guitars [sugar cane changes into many different things like granulated sugar liquid sugar and i'm sure a million other things. it is multi purposeful, but in the end it is always sugar cane. pianos and guitars are relatively the same instrument, both played with strings just done differently. yet all the same they are strings, and in the same sense the sugar you put in you tea is the same sugar cane. this also could relate to i never left you for a banjo, and as soon as she went for a guitar it was over.] i feel the west in you and i feel that falling apart too [she feels that there is more than the north in him and she wants to cling to that like a new person. but like the person it belongs to its also falling away from her, and he's going back to the mountains, going back north.] don't say you don't and if you could see me now said if you could see me now girls you've got to know when its time to turn the page when you're only wet because of the rain when you're only wet because of the rain [see above interpretaion.] now these are just my thoughts and i thank you who have sat all the way through this to the end. please let me know your thoughts about this song and it being a sequel to putting the damage on which my interpretation i also will post. i hope those of you who liked this will read that one also. i would like to start a web page of tori fans interpretations of her work. this may already have been done, but i want to know your thoughts about this. yeah/ney? well i will depart now. thank you again for reading this.all my love in tori Bob PS remember this interpretation is not just about tori its also about you and your life and relationships. tori's songs are universal for that reason she isn't to autobiographical but every song is a new chapter to all theses years. if you get what i'm saying. the songs are ours and hers not just hers. they are here for the both of us to feel and experience. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:07:51 PDT From: "Thomas Mazorlig" Subject: Re: tori and relationships this is written in response to: "Paul Tweedy" >Subject: Re: Tori &Relationships > >On 6 Jul 98 at 17:06, FireSpyrit@aol.com spewed forth: > >> As far as i know Tori referred to Eric Rosse as her "northern >> lad", im >> pretty sure i read it somewhere but then again i could just be >> feeding you gossip.:) > >Hmm, it was obvious to me when I first heard the song that Northern >lad is about her husband, Mark. It's a love song,... I wouldn't really define "Northern Lad" as a love song. It's more like a loss of love song. I cant' see it being about Mark, because she's married to him, while to me it is clear that the relationship with the northern lad is over ("I love his secret places, but I can't go anymore," "I feel it falling apart, too/ don't say that you don't."). Almost all the imagery says to me that the relationship is over and the narrator is looking back on it, kind of sad, kind of wistful, kind of lonely. Since, she's still with Mark, I would say that "Northern Lad" is about someone else. Just my two cents. Tom "so many dreams, on the shelf." "I said darkness into darkness, all the carnage of my journeys makes it harder to be livin'. He said it's a long road to be forgiven." Amy Ray, "Chickenman" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:36:34 PDT From: "Jessica Rosa" Subject: Intro Hi- I'm Jessica and I'm new to this list. I'm going to see Tori for the first time on August 4th. Sounds like a great show! Jessica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:56:14 EDT From: "glytter grrl" Subject: websites and tori this really has not much to do with tori but in the same it does. i'm setting up some new web pages and i've visited a lot of tori sites that ppl on this list have designed and kept. i 've always been curious to how and where you submit/apply for web page awards and such. the pages i'm designing are one on local musicians and a tori fan site. so any help with the awards and material for both sites would be appreciated A LOT! thanks! ~~becka ICQ#14314488 AOL IM - SwyngBaybe ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ I'm so tired, let me go to Austin.------Jill Jack And I have to get to Texas---Tori Amos ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/3011 ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ http://members.ismi.net/monger ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:15:24 EDT From: BlueGirl88@aol.com Subject: Re: Northern Lad business . . . In a message dated 7/7/98 8:26:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, zellarre@pilot.msu.edu writes: > "I guess you go to far when pianos try to be guitars" - Didn't she mention > that she always wanted to play the guitar and that Eric could and she just > couldn't. She wanted to push the relationship to the limit with what she > was used to but it just didn't quite work. Since you're talking about Northern Lad...... I found the things Tori had to say about the song very touching.... "It's very much about thinking you were loved for who you were, and realizing you weren't, and realizing maybe you don't love yourself... You can only be you. A lot of times that's not enough for some people." "My heart goes out to where that song comes from. It's very much about thinking you were loved for who you were, and realizing you weren't, and realizing maybe you don't love yourself. The line, 'I guess you go too far/When pianos try to be guitars' is just about never being enough. I felt that with my instrument sometimes, wanting to be Jimmy Page. You can only be you. A lot of times it's never enough for people." >From Alternative Press "Tori Amos gets right to the point", July 1998 Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:21:12 -0600 From: "Diana" Subject: Neil the Suicidal Hippy Hello fellow Sharpie Pen Sniffers, I've got a few things to write about. I'm sitting at work listening to choirgirl in the order that the lyrics are printed and I really like it this way. Pandora is a good album opener. I'm on Northern Lad, well, listening to rather, and I'd have to strongly disagree with whoever thought that song was about Marc. I don't care who it's about, but I certainly don't think it's about him. It's more a it's over song, then we're married, but whatever. I'd have to say that there is no song on this album that I dislike. I think it's all quite beautiful. :) I love that middle part of iiiee about the little arsonist. I think that in itself is very nin-ish musically. It's so cool how that is thrown into the middle of this song. I like the way it goes into and comes out of that part. I'm not very musically inclined so I have no better way of descibing it, but I just love it. John said: Anyway, because of Tori I've been reading Alice Walker. Possessing the Secret of Joy, just really moved me, so in the car I read The Color Purple, and that amazed me, plus I'm about 1/4 way through The Temple of my Familiar. I just can't find the words to describe how awesome Alice Walker is... She's joined Amy Tan and David Leavitt (a really awesome gay author!) as one of my favorite authors. I just have to say that The Temple of My Familiar is my favorite book! I wanted to read some of Neil Gaimon's stuff, especially Neverwhere, but the book store I went to only had a hardback of it for $27, so I opted for Good Omens by him and Terry Pratchet. I love it so far. It reminds me a little of Tom Robbins who rocks my world. I also love that guy, I think it's Terry Maupin, could be wrong, who wrote the series set in the SF apartment house. Their landlady rocks! I'm sure someone has mentioned it before, but at the very end of She's Your Cocaine around 3:19, it gets very much Led Zep like. It seems like there was so much I wanted to write about and now I'm having a major brain fart. Oh well. I missed taping that ABC special, not without effort though. After watching the fireworks, my boyfriend and I, drove to the neighboring town of Belgrade where his mom lives to get the vcr set up since we don't have cabe. We barely get fox, but PBS comes in super good. Well, Monday I was all excited and sat down to watch and damn it, when the vcr started playing static! His parents just got digital tv maybe 2 days before so maybe there's something different you have to do. We've no idea. I love having these speakers on my computer at work. My boyfriend doesn't like Tori, so I don't get to listen to her as much as I'd like. Now, though, I can listen to her all day at work. Wahoo! My man likes things like techno, the Cardigans, and Aqua, so the music is about dead in our house. We don't really agree on new music, but we both liked the same music when we were in high school. I just don't get how one can go from the Descendents, Bad Religon, Minor Threat, 7 Seconds, Agent Orange, etc. to Aqua!!!! So 2 nights ago I heard from a friend back in good ol' Portland, OR who was going to see Ani that night. I'm so jealous. I haven't seen a concert since before I moved here last August. The good thing about it was that the last show I made it to was, I believe, the Descendents. It made me feel so young again. :) The next show I plan on attending is Tori on Sept. 2nd. Which reminds me, another friend of mine was going to see Vanilla Ice a few months ago. Anyone see him?? To all you people who are having problems getting together with the man or woman of your dreams, go for it!!! I know someone already said it, but if you don't these people might get involved with someone else who is ready and then you'll be hating it. I'm happy to say that I am finally with the man I've been waiting for and am finally content with one man. I never think or really even look at others. :) Oh puke, I know. ToriFest goes on for me 8 hours a day Monday thru Friday! To everyone that sent me those wonderful tapes in exchange for the Park West show: Thank you! They make me so happy and a lot of it is stuff I've never heard before. I love you, guys. And Nicholas, I'm still planning on sending you a check or blank tape, but am so broke, I'm practically eating dirt right now, but soon, ok? Love you guys! Diana PS. Anyone here remember the Young Ones from MTV? God how I miss them. ~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~*~~~~~ "I'm an acquired taste -- I'm anchovies, and not everybody wants those hairy little things. If I was potato chips, I could go a lot more places, but I'm not." - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:09:06 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: [none] >any of >the artwork in "from the choirgirl hotel". Does anybody else think that she looks like a waitress in that one picture in the middle? With the pencil and the high-waisted skirt that looks like an apron? Or am I insane? Or maybe she is "scoring one" for someone (with the pencil)...or playing golf?! Do you suppose that she really writes with the pencil between her 1st and 2nd fingers? Can anyone find a song reference to this picture? Oh yeah, and is there US and UK versions of the spark video? Cuz someone said that the overweight gals in the album artwork were from the video, but I dont remember any of that (although I only saw it once--I dont have cable TV). The art work is so eerie to me because she looks like a corpse floating in the water... Daisy Melanie & Lenny Green lgreen@coredcs.com "Faeries wear boots & you gotta believe me I saw what I saw and I tell you no lies" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:43:24 PDT From: "Raisin Girl" Subject: I am such a ding-a-ling... Well, i've got some bad news. my sister just HAD to inform me NOW that it would be impossible for me to dub my recording of the concert since i recorded it on SLP mode. my camcorder has only one mode, SP. And i do not own another VCR. I wish I knew this BEFORE i made the offer. I feel like a dumbass. I hope you take up the other offers there are out there... they sound better than mine anyway. sorry... =/ i just want to let you who emailed me and the lists know NOW so i don't get any more requests. again, i apologize. "And to the one you thought was on your side, she can't understand she truly believes the lie..." - s p a c e d o g ~~rhiannon the dumb~ ~*~*~*~*~ "And if I'm hangin' onto your shade, I guess I'm way beyond the pale..." t o r i a m o s ~*~*~*~*~ w a y b e y o n d t h e p a l e http://members.tripod.com/~raspberry_swirl/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:54:59 EDT From: BlueGirl88@aol.com Subject: Re: ...tell me which hand I use... In a message dated 7/8/98 2:04:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, choirboy_hotel@yahoo.com writes: > I was listening to 'Yes, Anastasia' today and one of the first lines > hit me in an odd way. "If you know me so well then, tell me which > hand I use..." Which hand does Tori use dominantly? I'm right handed and a piano player as well. I noted that Tori has very strong left handed parts and this could refer to her being a lefty. Do I have sick mind? I thought she meant if you know me so well then tell me which hand I use (to masturbate) All this time that's what I thought it was..... What do people think? I'm curious. Thanks, Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:56:38 -0400 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: tori and relationships Thomas Mazorlig wrote about the song Northern Lad and its meaning: >I wouldn't really define "Northern Lad" as a love song. It's more like a >loss of love song. I cant' see it being about Mark, because she's >married to him, while to me it is clear that the relationship with the >northern lad is over ("I love his secret places, but I can't go >anymore," "I feel it falling apart, too/ don't say that you don't."). I think there is always the tendency to see all of Tori's songs as autobiographical, which I think is sometimes not the case. That is why interpreting songs can be so tricky. For all we know Tori could be singing about Eric, or a fictional character based on a real person, or even about the sadness of losing Mark, even though they are actually together and happy. While this seems kind of morbid, it seems to me that it would not be out of character for Tori to do this. As Tori said in several interviews she feels the need to get in touch with sorrow. In fact, in a new article in the August 1998 issue of Details magazine, Tori says the following: "If you love someone, you're going to lose them at a certain time. You have to accept that Sorrow will be there. You better make real good friends with her, because she's going to be there, especially as you get older." This quote is not in reference to Northern Lad, but to her miscarriage, but the idea is still there. Tori's songs could be strictly autobiographical. They could also be only partially about her or incorporate parts of her life combined with elements of fiction. Tori mentioned in a recent interview that the song "Playboy Mommy" looked at a relationship between a woman and her teenage daughter, but the lyrics also seem to include references to her miscarriage. Tori's songs have many different levels and the danger in interpreting is you might strip away some of the complexity. Not that interpreting is a bad thing. I do it myself! Just want to encourage people to look at things from a different perspective. Thanks for listening to my rambling :) Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:17:53 -0400 From: "kiRa" Subject: Re: ...tell me which hand I use... hi! im pretty sure she is right handed she autographed the choirgirl flyer thing for me at the DC club show and she used her right hand also she had written lyrics on her hadn and they were *written* on her left hand therefore she had used her right hand to write them. i have also seen pictures of her where she has written lyrics on her hand and they have been written on her left hand hehe! s2 kira - -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Blaize To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 5:04 PM Subject: ...tell me which hand I use... > >I was listening to 'Yes, Anastasia' today and one of the first lines >hit me in an odd way. "If you know me so well then, tell me which >hand I use..." Which hand does Tori use dominantly? I'm right handed >and a piano player as well. I noted that Tori has very strong left >handed parts and this could refer to her being a lefty. But I also >play strongly with my left hand at times. Depends on the song I >guess. But anyways.... Me and my friends went through every Tori >book and magazine article that I have. And every picture I have and >can't figure it out. I think that from the two page spread of Tori on >the phone smiling in her apartment in the Cornflake Girl book, she's a >righty. She's got a pen in her right hand. But she could just be >holding it. Also in the Choirgirl booklet, she's holding a pencil in >her right hand. So, is she right handed? Any thoughts on this? > >Thanks, even though you think I'm nuts.... > >Ashley > > > > >== >'If you love enough, you'll lie a lot....' - Tori Amos > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:14:26 -0400 From: "kiRa" Subject: Re: tori and relationships i cant remember where but somewhere i read that tori had called northern lad the 'ultimate love song' if anyone can remember where this may have been help me out hehe it had me a little puzzled anyways! kira - -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Mazorlig To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 4:58 PM Subject: Re: tori and relationships > > >this is written in response to: > "Paul Tweedy" >>Subject: Re: Tori &Relationships >> >>On 6 Jul 98 at 17:06, FireSpyrit@aol.com spewed forth: >> >>> As far as i know Tori referred to Eric Rosse as her "northern >>> lad", im >>> pretty sure i read it somewhere but then again i could just be >>> feeding you gossip.:) >> >>Hmm, it was obvious to me when I first heard the song that Northern >>lad is about her husband, Mark. It's a love song,... > >I wouldn't really define "Northern Lad" as a love song. It's more like a >loss of love song. I cant' see it being about Mark, because she's >married to him, while to me it is clear that the relationship with the >northern lad is over ("I love his secret places, but I can't go >anymore," "I feel it falling apart, too/ don't say that you don't."). >Almost all the imagery says to me that the relationship is over and the >narrator is looking back on it, kind of sad, kind of wistful, kind of >lonely. Since, she's still with Mark, I would say that "Northern Lad" is >about someone else. > >Just my two cents. >Tom >"so many dreams, on the shelf." > >"I said darkness into darkness, >all the carnage of my journeys >makes it harder to be livin'. >He said it's a long road to be forgiven." >Amy Ray, "Chickenman" > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:23:05 -0400 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Re: ...tell me which hand I use... Don't feel bad, I thought the same thing also. I don't know 100% but I'd say she's right handed because on the Leno re-run the other night she had stuff written on her left hand. Tripp Gwyn > Do I have sick mind? > I thought she meant if you know me so well then tell me which hand I use (to > masturbate) > All this time that's what I thought it was..... > What do people think? I'm curious. > > Thanks, > Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:21:16 EDT From: Lnt1010@aol.com Subject: re: what mikewhy said I first started listening to tori amos right after reading the book Bastard Out of Carolina (really good book). My friend gave me a copy of under the pink and i listened to it all the time. Finally, i had found someone like me. I found someone to look up to because she expressed herself in every way that i ever tried and did so very sucessfully (not even in financial terms, but in more personal terms). But anyway, so in icicle, my first favorite song of hers, there are many similarities to BOC the little girl lives in the south, masterbates, and in the book the little girl's sister keeps watch for her when she masterbates, just like tori amos asks the icicle to do. i dont really remember the rest of the details anymore, but there are others. Also i wanted to comment on the latest development in the forum discussion, I am a little disappointed that everyone looks for all these sort of gossipy type inspirations for her lyrics. As a poet, I know that sometimes poems come from just daydreams or imagination wanderings. Its not that every phrase really symbolizes an exact event that happened to her. Or even sometimes, an idea just sounds beautiful and feels beautiful that its worth writing down. Why cant she be her own stimulant? But, I have to admit, i wondered how she could write so much without ever drying out. I wondered how much could she possibly write about rape before she becomes numb to it, and a bad childhood, etc... I dont mean to sound insensitive, but it happened to me (my mother died, and i wrote about it for almost a year straight and then i dried up). Then I found out she had a miscarriage and somehow, my faith in her was restored. Without knowing that she had some type of real stimulus, i found myself asking whether she really felt what she wrote or just wanted to make money. Then i read about what type of experience her concerts are. (Now i really want to go to one, but im going to be away the whole summer.) Oh yeah, i am contradicting myself sort of, but thats what 16 year- olds do. so you'll have to understand. (heehee) lizzie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 98 17:38:01 +600 From: reaganb@infowest.com Subject: SHE'S RIGHT HANDED!!: ) Hi there, I HAVE BEEN WONDERING THE SAME THING FOR YEARS!!! And I finally found out. See I read a quote by TORI herself... she did that online thing a while back and answered several fans' questions on the net - some chat thing (God I wish I could have done it) And anyway someone asked her and she said that she was right handed but that she was very coordinated in her left hand due to playing. I play piano and that is one thing that I have always admired about her - I cannot play anything complicated with my left hand and I have been playing for a while! I am guessing it was all of that HARD CLASSICAL TRAINING that made her so good at utilizing both hands. I can only dream of becoming as coordinated with my left hand as our GODDESS is..... Thanks for listening. Always in TORI, "Samurai" ~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~ " To take credit for them (the songs) would be like taking credit for the sunset if you're a painter" ~Tori Amos~ ~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~ Sent From i.Mail - Free InfoWest Email - http://imail.infowest.com *** Build a Better Website - Visit http://www.DevShed.com/ *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:43:46 EDT From: RasbrySwrI@aol.com Subject: my new tori site please visit my brand new tori site titled "The Other Side of the Galaxy"! and id love it if you would please sign my guestbook, thanks! ;) enjoy my site! Http://members.aol.com/rasingirl6/theotherside.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:10:43 EDT From: HRHGypsy@aol.com Subject: Re: ...tell me which hand I use... I think the fact that she does have such strong left handed parts has NOTHING to do with which hand is dominant. I'm a lefty, and my left hand is for shit when I play. It just sorta flops there on the keys like a dying fish while my right does gymnastics. (OK, so maybe that's a little bit of grotesque hyperbole, but just take it that my left hand is not quite as proficient.) All that and I have no idea what the answer to your quesiton is. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:12:26 EDT From: HRHGypsy@aol.com Subject: Re: ...tell me which hand I use... I do believe that the masturbation thing IS what she meant..I think he just took it a step further. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:33:25 EDT From: VeganCat7@aol.com Subject: Re: ...tell me which hand I use... i also thought it was referring to that... especially shortly after "icicle"....... - -leyna <> -tripp gywn >> Do I have sick mind? >> I thought she meant if you know me so well then tell me which hand I use >(to >> masturbate) >> All this time that's what I thought it was..... >> What do people think? I'm curious. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:16:07 EDT From: Aurora252@aol.com Subject: *help* looking for a page hello...not really news, but it would be great if anyone could help me! well long story short, i have to re-install aol 4.0, so all fave places are gonna be gone. i was looking into this trading page, called "beths trading page" or soemthing to that effect. it wasnt all tori, but if anyone thinks they know what im talking about can they send me the link? it would be very helpful. iknow that page name is broad..the page had it where you could do 2:1 but never send in over 4 blanks, if that makes sense...thanks! ~amie also.....if anyone wants to help me rebuild my tori favorite places it would be highly appreciated. : ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:44:38 EDT From: JupiterCMS@aol.com Subject: tori relationships & northern lad Well I remember hearing somewhere that Choirgirl wasnt autobiographical. I think it was on Live In Toronto (a radio show) that she said that the songs just came to her when she let herself open up to the muses...then the songs started flowing..and that all the songs are seperate & told by a different girl. So what she was basicaly saying was that the songs came to her & she was merely ("merely"- i mean this in the best sense of course) their outlet into the world & into our ears..and what a wonderful outlet she is =) peace out~ catherine =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:27:20 EDT From: glklos@juno.com (Gillian L Klos) Subject: Re: Neil the Suicidal Hippy On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:21:12 -0600 "Diana" writes: >I'm sure someone has mentioned it before, but at the very end of She's >Your Cocaine around 3:19, it gets very much Led Zep like. I've heard that said. I myself think it sound more like a Beatles song - especially the third part that starts "and is it true that devils end up like you". It seems to *me* that when a song gets rockin it gets compaired to Led Zep, but people forget that the Beatles rocked too. And they also had a few songs that changed mid stream (i.e. Happiness is a Warm Gun). >I'd have to say that there is no song on this album that I dislike. I >think it's all quite beautiful. :) Now it's my turn to put my head on the chopping block. I shouldn't really have to say that though - it *is* ok to disagree with Tori :-). I hate Northern Lad. It is the only Tori song that I don't like (excluding any Y Kant songs). It sounds like a slow rock ballad - and I hate slow rock ballad. You can put that song right up there with a slow song from Whitesnake or Aerosmith - for me anyway. I think it sounds like a bad copy of a Tori song. I don't really like the melody, I don't like the lyrics (also a poor facsimile), and her singing hurts my ears. It is the one song I skip everytime. I'm also not that into Jackie's Strength either though. It's not an issue of not liking (god, can I spell or what?) new Tori. I am willing to go anywhere with her musically. I love the new stuff. So, it's not that.... Gillian _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:13:10 EDT From: Inuit97@aol.com Subject: Re: ...tell me which hand I use... i agree w/ sarah---i thought she meant what hand she uses to masturbate, not what hand she uses to play piano b/c that uses two hands, i mean, tori doesn't just play w/ one hand, so....when she talks about something that for the most part uses one hand, i think she means masturbation just my thoughts =) britta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:08:57 -0700 From: Jenn Subject: Tori in August Details Magazine there is an article on tori in the august issue of details magazine. it's got cameron diaz on the cover..*wonderful* article..brought tears to my eyes..you've GOT to get a hold of it asap!!! 4 pages with two pics - - one we've all seen before, the other is just way rawkin. check it out! torihugs and faeriekisses, ~~*jenn*~ - -- ~~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~ "We are all Faeries living underneath a leaf on a lily pad" ~Tori~ ~~*Come Dance in Jenn's Faerie Ring*~ http://fly.to/faeriering ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:25:53 EDT From: P1ANOMAN@aol.com Subject: Roskilde RAINN donation Hi there-- Does anyone have a transcript from the television show which appeared on Channel 4 in the UK on Tuesday June 30th where they announced that 15,000 pounds was donated to RAINN by the Roskilde Festival/Tori?? I could really use your assistance with this. Thank you for your effort. Sincerely, ~~RYan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:52:48 EDT From: JupiterCMS@aol.com Subject: Northern Lad & the Choirgirls Well I remember hearing somewhere that Choirgirl wasnt autobiographical. I think it was on Live In Toronto (a radio show) that she said that the songs just came to her when she let herself open up to the muses...then the songs started flowing..and that all the songs are seperate & told by a different girl. So what she was basicaly saying was that the songs came to her & she was merely ("merely"- i mean this in the best sense of course) their outlet into the world & into our ears..and what a wonderful outlet she is =) peace out~ catherine =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:20:52 -0700 From: Katie Meeker Subject: Re: ...tell me which hand I use... you know, I never even _thought_ of it as relating to masturbation, but hell, it's possible that's what she might be referring to...all my boring imagination ever came up with was what hand of hers was dominant...and I don't mean for piano playing, but rather for things like writing...i.e., you can't necessarily claim that you know someone very well if you don't even know something as basic and everyday as that... this discussion sure turned into something interesting... Katie ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #246 *************************************