From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #178 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, May 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- raspberry swirl girl necklace, part II [seether ] northernlad [Pandagrl2 ] molasses? [Sarah Moore ] Tori stuff [JupiterCMS ] Re: Eric??? [Phoenix ] RE: ftcgh [Billings@WHAD.com] chocolate cake [Linette Voller ] please help... [jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn)] Re: greets! [Ken Tough ] Re: Blue Dress [the Mermaid ] sanfrancisco.sidewalk.com online review of new album [Shirley Ye ] Re: Thoughts on choirgirl Northern Lad [Amy D Hayes ] Thoughts on Choirgirl [Daniel M Perez ] Re: my thoughts on New Tori [Amy D Hayes ] RE: lucky minnesota [Billings@WHAD.com] Follow your nose! ...and a question [Sara Hansen ] music monopolies, and about my last rant [Adia 509 ] Thinking about us, and how we've responded to FTCH [SuGaRsTaRz ] Re: Liquid Diamonds/Waitress + Not the Red Baron = my post [Alicia ] Re: Re: Hotel [Mac456789 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 05:07:34 -0700 From: seether Subject: raspberry swirl girl necklace, part II does anybody even have a picture of this damn necklace? what's the fuss? it's like people are giving up Beanie Babies for it or something... - -courtney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:33:33 EDT From: Pandagrl2 Subject: northernlad Well it seems to me i heard her say in an interview that she wanted to expand playing not just the piano and she was never good at playing the guitar etc so that was her 'public comment' on the "we go to far when pianos try to be guitars" I heard this on the radio though dont rember what one it was. liz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:59:40 -0700 From: Sarah Moore Subject: molasses? does anyone else notice that tori mentions her 'molasses' in both liquid diamonds and northern lad? i was just sitting here trying to figure out if it meant something...somewhat driving myself insane...any thoughts anyone??? faerie kisses, sarah "If you love enough you'll lie a lot"--too painfully true... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:45:15 EDT From: JupiterCMS Subject: Tori stuff Ok everyone I just wanted to post to the list that I have taped the following & might be able to arrange a trade (it depends though....we are in the process of moving & i'm not sure what my new adderess is going to be..) Ok yeah here goes : 1. Tori Interwiew on Live in Toronto from before FTCH came out (w/ songs Playboy Mommy, iieee, and & Jackies Strength) 2. Tori on Modern Rock Live (w/ out the songs to save space on the tape...but the one song i did tape was a live version from Chicago of "Tear In Your Hand") peace out~ catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:38:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Phoenix Subject: Re: Eric??? On Sun, 10 May 1998, ~*jenn*~ wrote: > > it may be on a YKTR *bootleg* but not the original album > > Jack Lobingier wrote: > > > > It was also was on the YKTR album. > > Lisabeth There's a bootleg titled '"Y Kant Tori Read" plus bonus tracks'..it has the YKTR songs, plus Ode to the Banana King, Song for Eric, Lil Drummer Boy, Ring My Bell, Happy Worker, and maybe 1 or 2 other tracks. Oh yeah, live Happy Phantom. Phoenix I'll say it loud here by your grave Those angels can't ever take my place - --Tori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:20:05 -0600 From: Billings@WHAD.com Subject: RE: ftcgh Yes... yes I can. The Raspberry Swirl necklace looks like a washer on a string. D. Eric Billingsley "What have you done with his body?????" - Mrs. Buttle (BRAZIL) - -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Garcia [mailto:thunderbolts13@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 08, 1998 9:47 PM To: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: ftcgh can someone please tell my what the rasberry swirl necklace looks like. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:43:50 +0100 From: Linette Voller Subject: chocolate cake When people are talking about this arena thing, it reminds me of a quote Tori made about playing the Royal Albert Hall in the UK. She said something along the lines of.. "When I was on the stage, I felt that I could eat an entire chocolate gateau and nobody would notice" I was at the royal Albert hall performance, and although I was near the front, she was still a way away. The music was as good as ever, but she wasn't as talkative... Also there is a positive review of FTCGH in New Woman (UK) And did pandoras aquarium remind anyone else of Purple people from the spark single? (which I have often seen referred to in chart lists as sparks...) Luv'n'stuff Linette - ---------------------------------------------------------- " I'm a genius, not an engineer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:57:55 -0400 From: jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn) Subject: please help... who ever sent this message please reply to me privately I THOUGHT i was taping the boston show but when i went to play it >back...there was NOTHING. i had only gotten the last of COCAINE and the >rest of the encore performances...DID ANYONE MANAGE TO TAPE IT? and can >i please have a copy? i don't know what I can offer in return...but I >can send you a list of what I have. I would be willing to pay for >EVERYTHING....and plus give a gratuity offering. *smile* Thank you! > >Kristen Byrne > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] thanks :) - -Jenn :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Once you get to know sad... she's got some sweet little dresses, you know?" - -Tori Amos - -Spin, 1994 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "boy you better make her raspberry swirl.. things are getting desperate when all the boys can't be men" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:05:58 +0100 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: greets! kira wrote: >oh, sorry for going off track, back to tori. I was watching a video of a >tv show from about 1986 and watching the commercials from the eighties. >just when i though they couldn't get any more ridiculous, I SAW TORI >SINGING AND PLAYING PIANO ON AN AD FOR "JUST RIGHT' CEREAL! Could you PLEASE send a copy of that ad, or better, some screen shots from it, to some of the big websites (e.g. The Dent). (Sorry to put it onto you mikewhy but) it would really be fabulous to see scenes from this commercial: it is vital Tori history. I vaguely remember a cereal ad with some girl playing piano, and remember thinking "WOW!" about it, but it's so long ago, I need to know whether it's the one I remember. I thought it was late 70's, but ... Anyway, KEEP THAT TAPE whatever you do. Sounds like a very rare find, something that would be extremely hard to track down. - -- Ken Tough Cornwall, U.K. Home of the Choirgirl Hotel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:31:59 -0500 (CDT) From: the Mermaid Subject: Re: Blue Dress "Once upon a time, in a universe not so far away, Marla/Antigone E. F. said:" > > > Beth said "I don't know about the blue dress yet." > > I thought it possibly was her wedding dress, which was ice blue. But I'm > not sure if she would've known what dress she was wearing at that point > (though she's said she knew she was getting married - see Jackie's > Strength...) My thought, too, was her wedding dress ... > "I mooned him once on Donna's box..." I decided this means Tori drew a > naked ass on Donna's david cassidy lunchbox. Literal? yeah...but it makes > me laugh... Actually, my thought with Donna was a reference to Neil Gaiman and Foxglove. I picked up a copy of 'Death: The time of your life' the same day I got ftCGH, and it just really struck me how much the whole part in the beginning with Foxglove talking about how she'll never tour with a band (her and 3 specks), and certainly never do Arena's sounded too much like Tori and the current Tour (she's got 3 band members, and will be doing Arena's ...). A friend of mine said Neil based a good chunk of Donna ... er, Foxglove ... off of Tori; my mind made the connection. -- The Mermaid ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:58:22 -0700 From: Shirley Ye Subject: sanfrancisco.sidewalk.com online review of new album Tori Amos: from the choirgirl hotel By Edna Gundersen, Music Central Online 4 1/2 stars It's hard to believe the same artist who self-consciously wallowed in the dreadful "Y Kant Tori Read" has created the magnificent experimental art-rock on "From the Choirgirl Hotel." Notoriously eccentric, Amos can churn out some flighty and flaky lyrics that drift dangerously close to spacegirl parody, but even the loopiest wordcraft on "Hotel" is rescued by her vocal intensity and the music's rapturous pull. Unlike 1996's piano-focused "Boys for Pele," Amos broadens the spotlight to embrace a full band sound and throbbing rock sensibility. From the metal psychedelia of "Spark" and electronic buzz of "Hotel" to the beautifully crafted ballad "Northern Lad," Amos succeeds in honing spirited music that is simultaneously accessible and complex. "Jackie's Strength," a ballad overlaid with luscious strings, has a conventional structure but still bristles with the singer's edgy persona. "Black-Dove (January)" dwells on the familiar Tori topics of abuse and yearning for liberation yet finds a new path to express it. The vocal abandon in the rhythm-crazed "Swirl" and mesmerizing melody in "Liquid Diamonds" are marks of an adventuress who has the chops and smarts to reach her wildest sonic destinations. "Hotel"'s most exotic itinerary is the impossibly cohesive "Iieee," an extraordinary patchwork of rock, symphonic beauty, icy beats and masterful piano sprints. Record label: Atlantic Shirley Ye Berkeley, California shye@uclink4.berkeley.edu I remember, yes, in my peach party dress No one dared No one cared to tell me where the pretty girls are with their nine inch nails and little fascist panties tucked inside the heart of every nice girl... ~~~Tori Amos, Precious Things ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:29:15 EDT From: MM62 Subject: people review isn't this great? its the letter my mom wrote in response to people magazine's review of tori's album (see below): people's review: "some talking points for parents of teenage Amos fans : As always avoid further alienation by emphasizing the positive. In conversations with your child, note Amos's accomplished musicianship, her years of classical training, her soaring soprano, the complex structure of her songs. No need to mention that you find her musci repetitive, boring, and in dire need of a backbeat. Pretend you can't understand everything Amos says-she slurs most of the bad words anyway-and if you happen to read the lyric sheet, shun sarcastic remarks about phrases like "lollipop gestapo" and "icecream assassin" discuss less obscure songs on this CD like "Jackie's Strenght" It includes a line about "lunch boxes worshiping David Cassidy" a perfect opening for an anecdote or two about pop stars in your day. Or "Playboy Mommy" which actually has a story to tell. Above all, be convincing. The more you pretend to like this album, the less your kids will want to listen to it. Bottom line: A mess; don't linger here for long" my mom's letter: "True, we come from another generation, other tastes in music, but if we don't support our children's interests, who and where else can they turn? Sharing opinions with peers is affirmation, sharing with your parents is satisfaction! I recently traveled across country with my daughter for one night to attend Ms. Amos' opening of her current "Plugged" tour. It happened to fall on my daughter's 19th birthday and I was more than flattered that she wanted to share this event with me - I would have traveled anywhere to have seen anyone! The fact that it was to listen to a woman that my daughter has admired and respected for several years, only made the whole event more interesting. How better to understand my child than to share her inspirations first-hand? I suggest to parents, put aside your egos for awhile and watch what lights up your child's face. It may be different than what makes your heart beat faster, but loving your child takes you through many paths on the journey of parenting. Now to buy tickets for that Igor Stravinsky concert - think she'll join me?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Amy D Hayes Subject: Re: Thoughts on choirgirl Northern Lad On Sun, 10 May 1998, Molly Marguerite wrote: > > I've been reading everyone else's an thought I'd post mine. > > Some of these songs I'm sure she wrote before she was pregnet and I > think Northern Lad is probably one she wrote early BFP or even during, > we know she has so many songs she could have pulled it from any time. > > When I listened to this album I tried to see it as a separate from all > the others; the first three were considered a kind of trilogy right? So > I didn't try to relate any of these songs to older ones but during the > end of NORTHERN LAD when she is singing "because of the rain" it just > reminded me so much of the singing at the end of Hey Jupiter. And I > feel that both are about Eric even though in an interview she said that > Hey Jupiter was about a love affair between the Earth and Jupiter... {Actually, i have read in several several interviews, articles, etc., that this was about a time that she tried to call Eric after they had broken up, and he was out, and she knew he was probably out with somebody else, and was sad about it. Maybe she was using the Sun and Jupiter metaphorically here, with her as the sun and Eric as Jupiter; there are a lot of mythical connotations with both, and you know how she loves dealing with myth, and also, there is the actual astronomic issue of gravity, with the sun pulling on Jupiter to keep it in orbit, and Jupiter (along with the other planets) pulling on the sun to keep it in place.} > > I think it is safe to say that not every song in this album is going to > be about the baby; I just don't think the molasses is referring to the > baby even though it probably does in Liquid Diamonds...I just don't > think she would throw that thought in there with a song about an > ex-lover. "But I feel this cake isn't done" is a perfect metaphor > coming from a cook...just another way of something is wrong here even > though it may look okay. I just love "girls you gotta know when it's > time to turn the page/when you're only wet/because of the rain" that's > perfect, I always have friends that stay in relationship even when the > fire, the attraction is gone just because it's comfortable. You gotta > know he's not turning you on anymore, he's not doing it for you > anymore...great advice, a little dirty but true. > > Okay I'll quit thanks for everyone posting about the album it's > interesting to read the different ways we interpret the same > lines...she's doing her job I wouldn't like it so much if every song was > straight forward...this way our life's affect how we hear it... > > Molly Marguerite > (still no tour date coming near me) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel M Perez Subject: Thoughts on Choirgirl Hello. First of all, I'm new here, so Hi to all. I got the album at the midnight sale held at (Duh!) Midnight May 5, and listened to it till about 3:00 am that night. The poor CD has been on constant play in my apt. and I believe it was asking me for a break earlier this morning, so I obliged. Now, I've only been a Tori fan (don't think I've yet earned the Ear with Feet title) for like a year and a half, but my girlfriend being a EwF, I 've been saturated ever since. I love Tori,a nd I love what she had done so far. I absolutely love the innovations and the new grounds she explored in BFP, the way she just took the piano and the harpsichord and made them hers in such a lustful way. Incredible. And live... well, I don't think I have to say anything. But I'll be very honest with you: I always wanted to see Tori cut loose and rip into the piano and make me vibrate with emotion. I wanted to see Tori rock! I went to the Ft. Lauderdale Promo Tour show April 18, and when she came on stage and sang Balck Dove, as soon as she hit the "on the other side of the galaxy" line, and she smashed the piano keys and the band simply exploded onto the air, I knew I was seeing the Tori that I had been aching to see ever since the start. And I wasn't wrong at all! I love the new album, period. I know a lot of old Toriphiles are worried about the slightly radioish sound of some of the songs, but I absolutely love it. She had grown already, and I agree with her when she said that she needed to move away from the "girl and the piano" image. I love Tori like that, but she's a musician (a damn fine one) and musicians, like all true artists, need to expand and explore, which is what she does in Choirgirl. From old rock-n-roll sounds as in Playboy Mommy, to sultry bluesy notes as in Cruel, to experimental and blissfully disjointed as in Hotel (I love this song), to traditional ballad as in Jackie's Strength and Northern Lad, to classic Tori with a punch, as in iieee and Pandora's Aquarium, to new frontiers and explorations as in Spark and She's Your Cocaine, to the ultimate, Tori's own dance song, Raspberry Swirl. This album sees Tori, the musician, expand and reach into areas that maybe before she wasn't ready to go to. And I'm glad she did, for one. I don't think that the band takes away from her, like many thought it would, but rather add to her magic. They are very much aware that they are there for Tori and Tori alone, and the music of the band dances spirals around Tori in perfect harmony. I love Tori's secret time with the piano, and I'll always treasure them, but now I wanna see her wail and pound the keys, scream and weave new threads and new songs. I wanted to see her lose total control and become one with the music, even more so than she does, and I witnessed this firsthand, from about 10 feet away from her. It is an image that'll live with me forever. All in all, I love Choirgirl, I think that it is an excellent album, in which Tori expands her range and musical abilities and gives me what I had been wanting from her: pure power. Later! Till paths meet, Daniel M. Perez | Miami Star Wars CCG Tournament Director highmoon@geocities.com | Rebel Gamers of Miami - Rebel Leader | http://www.geocities.com/~highmoon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I think that happiness is when you can let yourself feel every emotion you want at any time instead of being a lying little fuck." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:08:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Amy D Hayes Subject: Re: my thoughts on New Tori i have to agree with you. i've noticed either a.) a lot of people saying this exact same thing, that they may not be SURE about the album right now, but are letting it grow on them and can feel they are going to love it, or b.)shocked disappointment (with themselves more than with Tori) that they don't love it. With every Tori album, there is a period of adjustment... we know that she hasn't really changed THAT much, and we've been getting glimpses of this for awhile now ("Precious Things" had lots of stuff besides piano... which is probably why it is adjusting so well to the band, "God" "Waitress" "Professional Widow" "Caught A Lite Sneeze"...people, she's been doing this stuff more subtly the whole time...) So really, i think people need to be careful not to write the album off yet. Tori is not like that, you have to give her a chance. i'm not saying try to convince yourself you like her stuff if you don't, but just remember that it is hard to digest something different, and then when it's not different anymore, you can see it for what it really is and THEN understand your feelings about it. Has she seriously let anyone down, even on (i blush to say this) YKTR? We gotta have some trust here. Also, whoever said that "Northern Lad" was the song that broke through and helped them to love the album and become friends with it, that's what happened to me too. God, what a song... i can't imagine ANYONE listening to it and not being affected strongly by it. Maybe this will be the "gateway song" for a lot of people, because it's a good balance of piano-based Tori and band-based Tori.... plus it's just so touching. :), Amy On Sun, 10 May 1998, Ellen Morris wrote: > > > hello fellow toriphiles , > > happy mothers day for all of you out there. > > i couldnt help think of tori today and things she must be feeling, and all > other mothers in this world....my heart goes out to all of you, motherhood > is the cradle of our society and in todays modern world it often is > underappreciated for its importance...(sorry i will stop and get back to > tori) > > i just really felt like adding a few words today after reading a few > emails on the new album...i ususally dont post interpretations & opinions > all that often so...here i go! > > i think that trying on a new dress or new style is always uncomfortable at > first, and in all the new releases, including the first one LE, i had a > strong unlike reaction to each album at first ear...so all i really feel > like sharing i think, is that if any of you experience that first reaction > to tori's masterpieces and then grow to love them like a best friend, just > keep that in mind...i dont think i am having as strong as a reaction as > the other times, i think i have come to expect that first feeling of > uneasiness as we step into a new world that tori presents to us..but i > strongly feel something already for this album. i feel as if my dreams > have taken on a new color and that the sky is the same but i see it > differently...i feel open to her and her music. > > its difficult to completely express it all, especially when it all doesnt > quite exist yet for me, spend some time with the choirgirls and get to > know them and appreciate them and love them :) > > me tori agape (with tori love), > eleni > > what is beautiful is good, what is good will soon also be beautiful > -sappho > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:03:58 -0600 From: Billings@WHAD.com Subject: RE: lucky minnesota I just know I am going to step on someone's toes by posting this, but I'm afraid it needs to be said. I have seen Tori in concert on 8 different occasions and the Chicago show at the Rosemont Horizon will make #9. I don't have to explain to all of you the AMAZING connection that Tori has with her audience; live in concert, her songs take me to emotional highs and lows that no one else can achieve. At times, I might even quietly mouth the lyrics to a couple of her songs. What I DON'T do is stand there and scream my bloody head off throughout the entire show - thus ruining the concert for those around me. I cannot stress enough how rude and annoying this is, and I am sure that the majority of Tori fans would back me up on this. I remember the first couple of Tori shows I attended; how I thought it "cute" that a few (and I mean "few") boisterous fans would loudly proclaim what the rest of us were only thinking. If things got out of hand (i.e. - people would not stop screaming or screamed through the intro of song), Ms. Amos would politely stop and wait for some respect and decorum to return to the room - at which point most folks were decent enough to shut their traps. Now, remember that at this point she was still playing venues of 1,000 seats or less, and it is much easier to quiet a room of 700 than it is 7,000. Add to this the mainstream acceptance of the Goddess, and you've got the perfect combination for ruining a beautiful thing. Even at the cozy Park West venue, much of the time Tori's vocals were drowned out by the obnoxious off-key singing-along of about 4 or 5 girls standing directly behind us. They nearly sang THE ENTIRE FUCKING CONCERT! To add insult to injury, these girls (who didn't even look old enough to drive) screamed "I LOVE YOU, TORI" - not just between songs - but every single time Tori took a breath or there was a beat of silence within a song! I am a decidedly non-violent person, but my patience with this bullshit is nearly at an end. Screaming and singing along during the entire show is rude and obnoxious - end of story. I long for the days when Tori was still "unsuitable for mass consumption" - when a person could still HEAR Tori play. Call me an elitist snob, if you will, but things were so much better in the "good old days". It is for the above reasons that I debated over buying tickets to the Rosemont Horizon up until the very last minute. Well... maybe not JUST because of obnoxious fans (the venue itself is horrendous - acoustics are awful, and the layout sucks), but they ARE the primary reason. If I had that much trouble hearing Tori in the dinky little Park West, then the Horizon might well be a lost case. This sucks even more considering that (after TicketFascist's charge) my total for just two tickets was over $70.00! It is for these reasons that I PLEAD with all of you (specifically those of you who may be new to the "Tori Experience"); PLEASE be considerate of those around you. It is very exciting for all of us to see Tori in concert (those who don't understand never will), and sometimes you may feel it is difficult to contain yourself - for the sake of others, please do. Yelling and applauding after a song is fine - that is not my concern; just try to be respectful of Tori and those around you by curbing the desire to scream or sing along while Tori is playing. It will be appreciated by more than just myself. Thank you all for listening to my rant. D. Eric Billingsley "What have you done with his body?????" - Mrs. Buttle (BRAZIL) - -----Original Message----- From: a lip gloss boost [mailto:klutenkampea@post.uwstout.edu] Sent: Friday, May 08, 1998 1:39 PM To: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: lucky minnesota I guess most of us in the cities are lucky because the Northrup is really not that huge of a place. I saw Tori there during DDI and the theater is about 4,000 - 4,500 people, which is still pretty cozy (compared to some of the 20,000 rumored arenas she may be playing at). I'm really excited about this show, but also nervous about getting tickets. There seems to be alot of new tori fans in the cities. For example, when we did the meet and greet before the show in June of 1996 there was only about 6-8 people there (many more AFTER the show however), and even in September at Madison I saw Dor's gang (I used to be friends with Jeff (we lost touch a bit ago) and he told me who she was) and there was only a few others. But BAM! November rolls around and we go to Davenport and shit! There's like 50 or so people for the meet and greet and a ton are from the cities, so. Hm, I'm leaving for Eau Claire, WI to get tickets at 6am tomorrow morning and we hope to be there around 7am - I'm just crossing my fingers that there won't be too many people there. If there is any one who is going to Oakwood to get tickets for the Minneapolis show (or Milwaukee/Chicago) - let me know, I'm really excited. (: ally ps: that was just my little opinion/gush/whatnots... ~*~ why can't my ba.ll.oo.n stay up ~*~ ~*~ in a perfectly windy sky ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally ~*~ The Pool of Tori Amos ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally/torimain.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:04:15 -0500 From: Sara Hansen Subject: Follow your nose! ...and a question *delurking* Ok everyone, please don't think this is too weird.... When I first got FTCH, I was feeling how the paper in the liner notes seems to be of an odd texture (as someone pointed out earlier). I'm one of those people that sniffs things, and I sniffed it. Hehe. But it smells _really_ good!!! Everyone go get your booklets right now and sniff them! Isn't that yummy? It smells kind of like the old Happy meal boxes from McDonalds.... I just thought that was nice. I love that smell. And... I got my tickets for the Rosemont Horizon show!!! WOO-HOO! The Ticketbastard lady was telling my mom that she could order a t-shirt with her order, too, so my mom did, because she loves me that much. :o) The woman described it as "3 pictures of her on the front, with a picture on the back of her kneeling." Isn't that the DDI shirt? I'm thinking they had extras and are trying to sell them off to the Tori fans that are buying tickets. But I could be wrong. Alas, here's my main point: My seats are on the lower level, section 102. I've only been to the Rosemont Horizon once, can anyone tell me if these are good or not? I called right at noon, they'd better be good, or I'll be mad! ;o) I don't know because _section_ 102... it sounds so vague like Area 51 or something. hehe. I don't know what row that puts me in. Little help? Thanks! Love, Sara "I turn myself inside out in hope someone will see..." - -Tori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:27:40 EDT From: Adia 509 Subject: music monopolies, and about my last rant About a day or two ago Beth posted an e-mail clearly assuming that my "May Tori play whever the hell she wants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" was about her or her e- mail. It wasn't. It was in response to a variety of posts, one of which was her's, complaining about Tori's "selling out", playing in stadiums and the ridiculis idea of a boycott. The only thing about "Long may Tori play" that I regret was the crying baby refrence, I didn't mean that as an insult, and I apologize if any feelings were hurt. I do feel though, if there is ever to be a boycott of Atlantic Records it should be about demanding breaking up the music monopolies, as well as boycotting the other big 5 record companies. AT&T though, didn't need a boycott for the goverment to break the company up, maybe if we citezens started demanding that the goverment break up the music monopolies there wouldn't be anymore Backstreet Boys, New Kids On The Block or The Spice Girls. We should of course remember that changes like this don't happen overnight, it will probably take years for it be put in effect, but now that Microsft is facing what AT&T once faced there is a possibility of hope. - -Amy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:46:10 EDT From: SuGaRsTaRz Subject: Thinking about us, and how we've responded to FTCH As much as I love you guys...we need to have a little chat. I think that there are many people on this list who are not giving FTCH a chance. We all know it's obviously extremely different from anything else we've heard from Tori....but is new such a horrendous thing??? People change and grow. And that's what Tori's doing musically, and I think we need to respect that. Personally, this album may end up being my favourite...every girl on the album is so...itself...and she doesn't need other girls to back her up. The new technotori thing on girls like "Raspberry Swirl" and "Hotel" are probably the most shocking additions to the new album, but they're also something so new and enthralling that you can't ignore them. The album is a genius mix of ballads that we know so well, and new tori things like 'black dove' and 'cruel'. so she has a backbeat...does that make her untrue to us? i think how many of us have jumped to say we don't like the new album is being a bit presumptious...i fell in love with it's uniqueness immediately, but i think it will just take time for some of us...instead of immediately saying you hate it, and saying she's just ripping off her old songs....listen to the album...go in your room, turn off all of the lights, close your eyes, and let Choirgirl take you somewhere you've never been...that's the first thing I did when I bought it...and i highly recommend it :) Tori blessings, Kristy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:45:27 PDT From: "Ryan Obermeyer" Subject: Re: molasses? SArah Moore wrote: > >does anyone else notice that tori mentions her 'molasses' in both liquid >diamonds and northern lad? i was just sitting here trying to figure out >if it meant something...somewhat driving myself insane...any thoughts >anyone??? > Well, I have come to belive the several posts about at least one of those references being directed to her baby. I remember reading the interview where she described quite candidly her hospital experience. She said she asked to see the baby and it was just one of those things. Perhaps she is describing very grimly the appearance of her child, or maybe she is just vaguely reffering to it as being sweet. I could be entirely off though, so...... Ryan Obermeyer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:10:55 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Re: Liquid Diamonds/Waitress + Not the Red Baron = my post Ryan Obemeyer wrote: >Does anyone else get kond >of a tinge of sadness knowing that Boys for Pele isn't the newest album? >I don't know why. I was driving to get From the Chiorgirl Hotel and all >I listened to was Caught A Lite Sneeze and Not the Red Baron. It was >like Boys for Pele was dying. Am I crazy? Probably. Yeah! And also when I read the FTCGH reviews, it always says something like "Unlike BfP, this record is good" and it's sad because BfP is my favorite Tori record. I haven't heard FTCGH yet (it arrives here maybe NEXT Wednesday (as in Wed, May 20)) so I don't know if I'm going to like it, I hope so, although I'm SURE it will never be like BfP. Ever. > I also wanted to include this INCREDIBLE analyzation of Not the Red >Baron. I didn't write it, but whoever did, shared something really >intelligent and I won't ever be able to listen to it the same again.I >can't find the exact post. I just added to what I remember of the >original post. I'm not taking credit for it. It was written by someone >named Erin, that's all I remember of the author. Here it is: [snip] It's beautiful, Erin if you're here I really like it (and thank you Ryan for posting it). I was thinking a while ago that what I loved about the song was the melody because it's so sweet, but now I at least have an idea of what the song could be about. Take care all of you, Bye, Alicia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "6:58, are you sure where my Spark is?" Subject: Re: raspberry swirl girl necklace, part II On Mon, 11 May 1998, seether wrote: > does anybody even have a picture of this damn necklace? what's the fuss? > it's like people are giving up Beanie Babies for it or something... I have it. Quite frankly, it's not all that. Paid ten bucks for it; it's pretty much your standard aluminum dogtag-type chain with what looks like a small metal washer on it; one side of the washer-ring thing, which is about half an inch in diameter, is imprinted with the words "Tori Amos Plugged 1998," and the other side says "Raspberry Swirl Girl." However. . . I'm not giving mine up. ;) Sorry. :} Screaming in cathedrals, Shanie __sgb29641@csun.edu_________________________http://www.wcat.com/~eponine__ I'm cold and I am shamed, lying naked on the floor Illusion never changed into something real I'm wide awake and I can see the perfect sky is torn. . . -- "Torn," (covered by) Natalie Imbruglia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "6:58, are you sure where my Spark is?" Subject: Re: northernlad On Mon, 11 May 1998, Pandagrl2 wrote: > Well it seems to me i heard her say in an interview that she wanted to expand > playing not just the piano and she was never good at playing the guitar etc so > that was her 'public comment' on the "we go to far when pianos try to be > guitars" This brings to mind an interview in some magazine or other that I can't remember at the moment; all I know is that I read it on the Dent this morning. It had mentioned something about the harpsichord in "Boys for Pele" wanting "to grow up to be a guitar." I know the use of the harpsichord in BfP drew some fire. . . not sure if there's a connection there or not, but it's a possibility. . . Screaming in cathedrals, Shanie __sgb29641@csun.edu_________________________http://www.wcat.com/~eponine__ I'm cold and I am shamed, lying naked on the floor Illusion never changed into something real I'm wide awake and I can see the perfect sky is torn. . . -- "Torn," (covered by) Natalie Imbruglia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:47:10 EDT From: Lite Sneez Subject: Re: lucky minnesota In a message dated 98-05-11 18:35:34 EDT, adondzil@shrike.depaul.edu writes: << I agree with you 100%..both on the Horizon and rude people during the show...but alas, since I'm obsessed, I'm going anyway...hehe. Maybe once all this chick singer hype dies down, she'll go back to smaller venues. A friend of mine is (tentatively) going to the tour opener in Milwaukee....I'll have to ask him how the crowd is.. Phoenix >> these shows are not going to be the same as the nice small shows from past tours.. on the Dew Drop Inn tour i, like many of you, repeatedly traveled hundreds of miles to see Tori play whenever i could.. the shows were that good.. However, on this tour, i'll be seeing this show, and probably this show only.. unless of course she comes back to playing smaller venues like the Rosemont Theatre or Arie Crown Theater... I was wondering, what do all of you people think is the reason Tori is going on a big arena tour this time around? Does she think that this is what we want? Is it the money? Is it so she can bring her show to more people (which just boils down to more money..) or something else altogether? Personally I'd pay $50-$75 for a ticket to see her play a venue like the Rosemont Theatre.. I had to think if i really wanted to pay $30 to see her at the Horizon... jeffpriz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:06:52 EDT From: Mac456789 Subject: Re: Re: Hotel Happy Wrote>> Okay now in the second and third shots but the second especially, is there a man standing with the blonde woman behind Tori? Because in the second shot, where the people in the background are holding hands, doesn't the hand of the person to Tori's right look more manly than it does feminine? And if you'll notice, the chest of this person is a lil bit hairy. S/he is also quite a bit taller than the blonde. In the third picture over from there (your booklet should still be open) the face of the person to the right has more masculine features. I had the impression that those two were the same models from the Spark video. Did anyone else figure that? s. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #178 *************************************