From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #171 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, May 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Best Buy Mistake [Cindy26471 ] the chicago webcast [Talula33 ] Looking for mp3's, and more [Courtney ] A new Tori page [BFett26 ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #169 [Tracy Sefl ] Tori in Arenas--Fans Unite!!!! [AKlink8489 ] new album sales ["K. Fischer" ] Cruel misunderstanding ["Ryan Obermeyer" ] Fwd: Cruel [Kenneth Peterson ] HELP [Stephanie Handley ] Lyrics and Question [~*butterfly*angel*~ ] "Spark" on TMF, dutch music channel [Dennis Snelders ] Re: new album sales [jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn)] Re: Tori Didn't Thank The Faeries!!! ["Diana" ] Choirgirl music Folio [Pro Widow ] But I have to get to TEXAS SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF [forsythia_in_the_spam@jun] a few tori questions... [the happy phantom ] Re: is tori becoming a spice girl? ["Dominick W. Olivas" ] greets! [kira ] Re: thoughts and sadness [Lavina Elaine Lee ] Re: Live Tori Amos Performance Thursday at 11AM EST at newbury.com ["Dian] [none] [jenny hayes ] songs/velvets/all things tori [earthsis@spindle.net (earthsis@spindle.net] Tori playing in large venues [Michael Curry ] Re: thoughts and sadness [Richard Handal ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:46:57 EDT From: Cindy26471 Subject: Re: Best Buy Mistake when i was in sam goody a month or so ago on the upcoming releases board they had it as "from the choirGRILL hotel".. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:25:07 EDT From: Talula33 Subject: the chicago webcast if i'm not mistaken i had read somewhere that someone had uploaded the webcast to thier computer and was willing to send it out to people who weren't able to hear it..so..if you are that *lovely* person please e-mail me..i have a friend who's dying to hear it..thanks in advance..:) marie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:28:46 -0700 From: Courtney Subject: Looking for mp3's, and more I am lookign to see if anybody has tori mp3's out there, and if you do please send me a list. ALSO if anybosy has a ras[berry swirl necklace from a recent show, please tell me. i have a question... im so glad i subscribed!!!!!!! - -courtney (toriphyle) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:52:21 EDT From: BFett26 Subject: A new Tori page I just finished my new Tori page 25 bucks and a cracker at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2826/. Please stop over and take a look. I have a lot of things on it from her show at Irving Plaza on the 28th. Danielle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 98 00:51:42 CDT From: Tracy Sefl Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #169 I spoke, in person, with a box office manager-type at the Rosemont Theater just outside Chicago. After searching his computer and getting on the phone to higher-ups, he confirmed to me that Tori will be playing at the godawful ROSEMONT HORIZON not the Rosemont Theater. Is this the first this news is getting out? I'd certainly like a confirmation, although the guy at the box office seemed legit and careful in his information gathering. Tracy (tracy@uic.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:00:22 EDT From: AKlink8489 Subject: Tori in Arenas--Fans Unite!!!! I know they're constantly updating the tori.com website so we should unindate them with e-mails. If they start getting hundreds of them they're going to have to give them so someone. I think the e-mail address is: web@atlantic-records.com amber (who found out the Chicago show is at the Horizon and not the Theatre! =( "All the White Horses" http://members.aol.com/AKlink8489/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Fischer" Subject: new album sales I haven't heard any figures for how many copies of the new album were sold yet, and I figure those will probably come out after the weekend. I do know however that the Tower records in the U-district of Seattle was SOLD OUT by Wednesday afternoon! They may have even been out of it earlier than that. The line of people for the midnight sales there was not that big (20 to 25 people), but I guess it was a big hit on Tuesday. Karin fischera@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 10:57:13 PDT From: "Ryan Obermeyer" Subject: Cruel misunderstanding I wrote earlier that you could hear Tori say cock cock cock 17 seconds into Cruel. Apparently no one listened to see how long into the song 17 seconds is, because they all just sent the lyrics. I realize she says cock cock cock your mane, but before the song starts (17 seconds) she says cock, cock, cock or something? I guess I didn't really explain very well the first time. Sorry. Ryan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:09:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Peterson Subject: Fwd: Cruel - ---Ryan Obermeyer wrote: > > > Am I hearing things, or does Tori say cock cock cock at 17 seconds > into Cruel? Am I listening too closely? Also in She's Your Cocaine > doesn't it sound like she almost starts singing too early and then > decides to wait for the next entrance into the song to come around > again? Maybe she was going to. Who cares. Ryan Obermeyer > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Why yes she does.. she says "cock cock cock your mane..." === "Friends, companions, lovers are those who treat us in terms of our unlimited worth to ourselves. The are closest to us who best understand what life means to us, who feel for us as we feel for ourselves, who are bound to us in triumph and disaster, who break the spell of our loneliness." - ------Henry Meyers *********************************************** "...I've forgotten how to dream my own dream.." - ----Tori Amos _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:12:03 -0400 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: HELP I'm at www.tori.com, but can't get the broadcast. I have RealAudio/Video. What do I do at www.tori.com? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:49:48 From: ~*butterfly*angel*~ Subject: Lyrics and Question Hi! Does anyone think that Cooling sounds really familar? I mean, I've never heard Tori perform it before and it sounds like something that I've heard. Anyone know? And also, is there the complete lyrics to the b-sides anywhere? Not just anyone's guess? of course, anyone's guess would be good too, just as long as their accurate. Can anyone help? *~lyn~* ***************************************************************** if you want inside her well, boy you better make her raspberry swirl ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:05:12 +0200 From: Dennis Snelders Subject: "Spark" on TMF, dutch music channel Hi! Right NOW, Spark is ON at TMF, Holland's own music channel! It was a clip premier in the program 'Dag Top 5' (day top 5) Every day they have a video premier and then people can vote wether they think the video is HOT or NOT. If the video is voted 50% HOT or more then they show it again, otherwise they show a different video premier. Today the video premier was 66% NOT so they showed a different premier instead, which was 'Spark'! Yippey!! Unfortunately I missed what Sylvana, - the veejay - had to say about her and the video, since I was running upstairs to get my tape! Bye! - -- Dennis Snelders e-mail: dsnelders@geocities.com Dutch Tori Amos page 'Little Amsterdam': http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/1017/littleamsterdam.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Fireheart Subject: [none] Hey, Does anyone have a copy of Merman on cassette yet? I would love to trade for an audio taped good quality recording of that beautiful song (: . I fell in love with it as Tori sang it at the Boston show with tears in her eyes. Speaking of the Boston show, I remember a while back there was someone who mentioned that they had only the encore songs from the Boston show...is that person on this list? If so, please e-mail me privately if you are willing to trade for that encore. I assume the person was interested in trading just because they mentioned having those songs. Take care Carrie-Ellen Batcheller HPs \||/ UNH Babcock Hall Box 2110 | @___oo Durham NH 03824 /\ /\ / (__,,,,| ) /^\) ^\/ _) web pages: ) /^\/ _) http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9523 ) _ / / _) Lifestories: /9523/lifestories.html /\ )/\/ || | )_) Tori Amos trade list: /9523/tori.html < > |(,,) )__) || / \)___)\ "Poor little Earth she tried so hard | \____( )___) )___ to change our ways, sometimes she \______(_______;;; __;;; must get sick of this place" --"Floating City", Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:47:37 -0400 From: jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn) Subject: Re: new album sales At strawberries she's at #12 out of 20 :) and that was yesterday :) check billboard mag. how often does that come out? - -Jenn :) > I haven't heard any figures for how many copies of the new album >were sold yet, and I figure those will probably come out after the >weekend. I do know however that the Tower records in the U-district of >Seattle was SOLD OUT by Wednesday afternoon! They may have even been out >of it earlier than that. The line of people for the midnight sales there >was not that big (20 to 25 people), but I guess it was a big hit on >Tuesday. > >Karin >fischera@u.washington.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Once you get to know sad... she's got some sweet little dresses, you know?" - -Tori Amos - -Spin, 1994 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "boy you better make her raspberry swirl.. things are getting desperate when all the boys can't be men" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:38:10 -0600 From: "Diana" Subject: Re: Tori Didn't Thank The Faeries!!! This brings up a new question: What is Most Things Illegal? :) Diana - -----Original Message----- From: Leigh To: precious-things@smoe.org ; torinews@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 9:32 PM Subject: Re: Tori Didn't Thank The Faeries!!! > >Tori did thank the faeries...she has them listed on the last page where she >says Most Things Illegal and Faerie. It seems to be a continuation from >the previous page where she starts her thank yous. > >Leigh > >At 08:24 PM 5/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Did anyone else notice that on FTCH, Tori didn't thank the faeries?? >>Is there a reason for this...did she forget...did she do it intentionally?? >>That's the first thing I looked for as I was looking throught the CD booklet >>when I bought FTCH yesterday...what's going on? >>BTW, this album is absolutely breathtaking...every girl is so independent >>yet work amazingly together >>xoxo, >>Kristy >> > >Leigh >************************ >leigh@xamyn.com >ICQ# 9675848 > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 00:26:18 EDT From: Pro Widow Subject: Choirgirl music Folio Does anyone know when the "From The Choirgirl Hotel" Music folio will be out? I really want to learn how to play Jackies Strength and I am goin up to Amro music tommorow and i wanted to know if it was outt or if i was just waisting my time by going up there. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:17:06 -0500 From: forsythia_in_the_spam@juno.com (Dust A Bunny) Subject: But I have to get to TEXAS SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF Hello My Nautical Nuns, Ah, back from my field trip early. It was "the bomb" (damn Tori and my friend for making me say that now). We went to Texas School for the Deaf and the little kids under 5 were soooo adorable. They haven't fully developed their skills so they were clumsily asking our names and grades and all this stuff and signing shyly when their crack-fiend teacher (they woman was nice and all, but damn, where does she get that energy?) asked them too. The high schoolers and middle schoolers were kinda of hostile towards us. Some of them thought we didn't understand ASL (American Sign Language) so they began saying mean things about us. Pooh. My signing skills aren't fantastic, but I knew perfectly well what they were signing about us. Geeze. . . But I guess they get a lot of the same shit from us hearing people. Anyway, this is further convinced me to minor in Deaf Education. Where is the Tori content you asked? Well, all the way there, I was listening to "From the Choirgirl Hotel" and I am permanently in love with "Nothern Lad". I even ran my batteries out and they were new batteries damnit. I made my teacher listen to "Northern Lad" because if you all remember, I was the girl who signed "Winter" and "China" for my ASL class and they loved them both, and my teacher remarked, "She has a gorgeous voice." But then she signed, "Did she say a bad word?" And I had to nod and apologize, but she didn't seem to care. Also, this one girl was telling me how she saw Tori on MTV and asked me if she should buy the cd with "China" and "Winter" since she loved them both, but she wondered if the rest of the cd was as soothing and I was like, "Uh, I dunno. I like it all." So anyway, I am making tape for my ASL teacher, with all the soothing songs (including "Northern Lad") for our class is throwing her a surprise baby shower Friday. That is all I really have to say about that. Those kids were sooo cute. I want to steal one damnit. All right, I'm calm now. Take care. Bi bi. Me, the Flea "I'm a winter girl; I like coming out when things are desolate and everybody's ready to slit their wrists." - -Tori Amos _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: the happy phantom Subject: a few tori questions... a few questions for you people... 1) is there a studio version of 'sugar' on any of her singles??? 2) is it still possible to find 'more pink' anywhere, and if it is, can somebody help hook me up with either info or the cd itself, because i can't find it anywhere around here??? these are the only i can of from the top of my head at the moment...if anybody can help me out it would be much appreciated... slainte, kate - ------------------- kate hardison join the campaign to save the dragons... hardic2@rpi.edu http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/3886/dragons.html epsilon iota chapter of the psi upsilon fraternity 'still the gunman rules and the widows pay...a scarlet coat and a black beret...they thought that blood and sacrifice could out of death bring forth a life' 'never was one for a prissy girl...coquette, call in for an ambulance...reach high, doesn't mean she's holy...just means she's got a cellular handy...almost brave, almost pregnant, almost in love..."vanilla" 'turn back one last time...love to watch those cowboys ride...but cowboys know cowgirls ride on the Indian side...and you know what you're doing, so don't even...' 'when you live in the past you refuse to see, when your daughter come home, nine months pregnant...with five billion points of light, gonna shine them on the face of your friends...they got the earth in a sling, they got the world on their knees, they even got a zipper between their teeth...' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dominick W. Olivas" Subject: Re: is tori becoming a spice girl? All fans... I must say that I was quite intrigued by Tori's performance at the Fillmore...when I compare it to the last time I saw her, which was the DDI, I definitely say that she was so much more into the show. However, I will gladly back up several points that were made on the last string...mainly that of losing the "intimacy" when the show is that big. I remember seeing Pearljam for the first time, yes, there are still a few pj fans left...and it was up here in San Jose at SJ State...it wag a huge facility...i remember standing next to a bunch of frat boys who, at least imho had no real love for pj and were there to basically mosh and shit...i remember being so pissed that these idiots made it to the show, and are doing everything possible to ruin my time...i put up with the decent view of the stage for a little while until i just started elbowing the loser frat boys to move out of the way so i could settle for the lame view w/out the moshing...my point is, my arena experience was lame because, at least in my experience, what creates that intimacy that we are all fearing of losing at the upcoming tori fans, is the intimacy that us, the fans, help to create...its not just tori that we will miss, we will also miss each other...and i think that, beyond everything is what scares me... - -dominick # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # and if I'm wasting all your time, this time maybe you never learned to take and if I'm hanging on to your shade I guess I'm way beyond the pale :::::::::::: -Tori Amos # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:50:07 +0000 From: Jon & Janet Haverman Subject: lyric books I have to say that I am very disappointed with the promotional lyric books which were made for the "Choirgirl" release. I have already seen advertised ($25) sale prices in Goldmine Magazine selling these very plain looking, average quality pamplett. It appears the more Tori gets popular, the less effort is placed into the promotional items. I love my LE lyric book, which has rice paper to separate the pages. The snow globe was an exellent idea for Winter. (btw, COW had this item for sale a month ago or so). The Cornflake Box from Kellogs was at least a nice try, too bad it was shot down by the powers to be. The BFP Orange Photo book was a neat little item. And of course, the people from Vinyl Solutions/UFO have had great boot boxes to help one spend their lunch money. There is already a new one on the way--rumoured to include a shirt. In my case i have to rob my kids college fund. But, I know, its really the music that counts. And that has never let us down. As for someone's comment about Tower etc. being scumbags or whatever for not getting these items. I know for fact that the initial offers for these items, by the two people from Atlantic WEA who are doing the Tori promotion, only made them available to the 'ma & pop'/independent cd/record stores for the beginning weeks sale. Collecting Tori can be fun, frustrating and expensive. Addictive as well. slainte mhath jon PS: I have one Tori poster for left. A BFP shot for PW. Great seductive pose. All other posters have been sold or reserved. All who have bought, I hope you were satisfied and happy with your purchase(s). Steph H. you lucked out in getting that Crucify poster off me--the one I probably should have never sold. There are two promo poster flyers for CHOIRGIRL out already. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 15:13:22 +1200 From: kira Subject: greets! hi, i'm new to this list, and, um, how's it going, i guess. i've been a huge tori fan for ages, and saw her when she toured for under the pink. i used to have all of her cds including a couple of bootleg stuff until all my cds got stolen, but well, life is tough. it is my mission in life to retrieve them. oh, sorry for going off track, back to tori. I was watching a video of a tv show from about 1986 and watching the commercials from the eighties. just when i though they couldn't get any more ridiculous, I SAW TORI SINGING AND PLAYING PIANO ON AN AD FOR "JUST RIGHT' CEREAL! well, this really freaked me out, does anybody else know anything about this, or the rest of tori's acting carreer? (and yes, it was DEFINITELY her.) well, replies are nice. love and stuff, kira ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 23:24:53 -0700 From: Lavina Elaine Lee Subject: Re: thoughts and sadness I just wanted to add something to this...I'm quite sad that Tori is playing Arco Arena, too because...well, the acoustics in Arco really suck! I was also quite upset with the way the whole meet and greet thing was handled. I was really looking forward to meeting her...just to say hi, and stuff, and it was really upsetting that a lot of the crowd and the staff of the fillmore were rude. This was my first Tori show, and it was a little disheartening. I was really expecting this to be a much more friendly thing. Of course, it all wasn't completely negative...I did meet several nice people, but oh well...I don't know what I'm trying to say anymore. My eloquence seems to have run off for the night as I should be studying for an exam... Lavina At 07:28 PM 5/6/98 -0700, Beth Winegarner wrote: > >I know a lot of people have posted about their experiences at the SF show >last night, and at all the club shows so far. I didn't wait in line like >most folks did -- I was lucky and got a press ticket through Atlantic, since >I was reviewing the show (set to go up on sonicnet/addicted to noise's site >sometime soon). > >But there's something I've been thinking about since last night's show that >I haven't seen discussed at any length... and it's something that's really >bothering me, as much as I try not to let it. > >One of the things I had really been looking forward to, aside from the show >itself, was the meet & greet beforehand. I knew there would be a lot of >people there, but I really had no idea. My small group was just trying to >stay in a place where we thought we'd see her when she arrived, but we got >yelled at by everyone -- the Fillmore staff, the girls in the front of the >line who'd been there for two days, everyone -- even though we only wanted >to say hi to her and then we'd go to the back of the line. > >Even though I managed to see her bus pull up, and we waited alongside the >barrier, Tori was only outside for about 5 minutes, saying hi to a few >people before going inside. And to tell the truth, the way people were >behaving, I can't blame her. I had had a pretty important message for her, >and I know Violet, who had been waiting right next to me, had something she >needed to tell Tori as well. But we never even had a chance. Everyone was >rushing the barriers, screaming her name. > >However, I had told myself beforehand that it would be ok if I didn't get to >meet her this time, because I'd gotten to interview her before and >everything, and will probably be able to do so again. So it wasn't a huge >deal. It was just -- the way things were handled could have been so much >better. > >But the really sad news was the announcement of the places she'll be playing >when she comes back to san francisco this fall. She's playing the Arco Arena >on Sept 14, and the *New Arena in Oakland* Sept 15 (formerly the Oakland >Stadium). Folks, even when the Spice Girls come to town they're not playing >anyplace that big. This is the place where Elton John performed and Celine >Dion is scheduled to perform. It's a fucking *arena* in every sense of the >word. > >I nearly cried when I heard the news. I know, a lot of you probably think >I'm overreacting. But however much sense this makes in terms of how many >tour stops she'll have to make, marketing, etc etc etc, I can't bring myself >to believe that having Tori play arenas makes any kind of sense at all. It's >not going to be intimate or enjoyable or spiritual -- how can she tap into >the energy of that many fans, some of whom are sitting thousands of feet >away from her? > >I know they still have the time to change their minds, but I don't know >whether they're going to. What are these people thinking? Johnny >Witherspoon, her tour manager, should know better than to do something like >this that could basically destroy Tori's core audience's desire to seek her >out in a live setting anymore -- and fragment our loyalty to her. I'm >feeling right now like I wouldn't even want to GO to an event like this, or >if I do, I'll pick Arco because it's much smaller. > >I'm just so sad and I feel betrayed by the people who represent Tori. I >wanted to find out how everyone else has been feeling, especially those of >you who took the time to wait in line all that time -- was the club show >worth it? Would you go to an arena to see Tori? Would boycotting do any >good? > >I think we all need to think about this, of course, I could be wrong... but >it seems really important. > >Beth > > > >However, that's not so much what really > >-- >"With her litany of complaints and demands, [Meredith] Brooks has been much >more of a bitch than a mother or a child or a lover." >(Jancee Dunn) > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:47:39 -0600 From: "Diana" Subject: Re: Live Tori Amos Performance Thursday at 11AM EST at newbury.com Does anyone know if this was broadcast on the radio and if so, did anyone tape it? Diana - -----Original Message----- From: Diana To: RDT Right Now ; Pro Widow ; Precious Things Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 7:13 PM Subject: Fw: Live Tori Amos Performance Thursday at 11AM EST at newbury.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Newbury Comics Customer Service >To: torilist@list1.channel1.com >Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 5:25 PM >Subject: Live Tori Amos Performance Thursday at 11AM EST at newbury.com > > >> >>Hey! >> >>Since you took the time to enter our Tori Amos contest, we wanted to let >you >>know about our live RealAudio/RealVideo broadcast of a Tori performance >>taking place tomorrow (in a parking lot of the Palace Theater in Los >>Angeles, no less). >> >>There will also be an hour-long KROQ radio special, and a Q & A session >with >>Tori and her live audience. You can get access to all of this through our >>site at http://www.newbury.com >> >>Festivities begin at 11:00am EST, so be ready! >> >>All you need to have to listen/see Tori tomorrow is the latest version of >>the Real Audio player that your platform supports. To get it, go to: >> >> >>http://www.real.com/products/player/downloadrealplayer.html?wp=dl0498&src= d >o >>wnload >>and follow the instructions. They're surprisingly easy, and the downloads >>don't usually take that long. >> >> >>Take care and enjoy -- >> >> >>--the staff of Newbury Comics Interactive >> >>torilist@newbury.com >>http://www.newbury.com >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:44:04 -0500 From: jenny hayes Subject: [none] Hi reply to Beth... No I did not go to the SF show...I tried believe me. But I wanted to reply to Dor's comments about the SF performance and upcoming performances (from The Dent). I first saw Tori in SF at the Palace of Fine Arts in (I think) 1991. It was the most amazing performance I have ever seen. She was so nervous, but funny and full of stories, fresh stories. I was mesmerized. This is a VERY small place mind you. I stole the original Tori with onions poster from the wall and at the merch table they were handing out flyers telling us to request Tori at our local radio stations (isn't that weird when you think about it now). This was right after the release of Little Earthquakes. I fell in love. Over the years I have of course continued to follow Tori and watched her increase in popularity. I went to see her a couple years later in SF again and sat in the front row, we brought her flowers. She was so glossy and sweet and I still felt the most intense connection. She smiled and was so personable. So this was a follow up to the original tour (after Little Earthquakes took off). I still felt the passion and intensity. It was a very small show, very gr! acious audience, she told some funny stories again. I was still taken. So a the next time she came aournd, she played a big place in SF (I can remember the name of the place right now) but it was for Under the Pink. This place is huge and has a balcony as well. We got good seats. I had a pretty good view (no front row this time). This is when I started to lose the connection. People were screaming during the music and when she was speaking. I, like Dor, remember the minute Tori spoke or began to play there was stillness in the audience. It was so calming. Now there is the most intense lack of respect (audience throwing lipgloss at Tori). I cried, literally cried that night. I was so disappointed. She only played the hits and one or two of my favorites. It was almost generic. The next time she came around I did not even bother to get tickets (for the Boys tour). I knew it would be such a production. People told me it was good, but never the same. This time around I really wante! d to get tix for the Fillmore, because it is such a small v! enue, I did not pay $250 for scalped tix! I am not sure If I am going to get tix for the stadium shows or not. Ok so I know when artists get popular, this inevitably happens. I saw Sarah in the beginning too and I am going to Lillith Fair. But it is different. I have been to soooo many concerts in my 24 years, but I never felt such an intensity about any musician. Tori has this wonder about her. I compare to Indian food: Curry Chicken is always spicey and hot but you have Raita (cucumber and yougurt) to cool it off. I have always felt this hot and cool passion about Tori and her passion. It draws me in. I don't want to hear people screaming at her in the silence, talking during the songs. I come to hear Tori, of course seeing her in person is great too, but I could just close my eyes and hear the music (last time mostly I heard cat calls and Tori telling people to be quiet because she was "trying to sing"). This is not a bitch session, but to me a sort of sad reality about the connection I think has disppeared between Tori and many fans (I am speaking of me and my friends). I am happy ! that she has become so popular, because her music is so amazing, but I want people to understand that screaming and yelling and all that loudness and almost obsession, not only annoys Tori but the rest of the audience as well. The more it happens the less Tori is willing to participate with the audience and fans during and after the show. I still love Tori's music, I am listening to Choirgirl as I write this (I have replayed Jackie's Strength about 10 times now). But I am just glad that I got to see Tori in the beginning and that I still have those memories (her hair was not quite as fire red in those days, it looked almost brown when I first saw her). Her music still haunts me. Mother is my all time favorite song (god I miss those days). So if you post this, I am sure I will get flamed, but that's okay. I needed to speak. Thanx Jenny (god knows what I would do without The Dent) - ----------------------------- Jenny R Hayes hayesj@navtech.com POI Team Lead Navigation Technologies www.navtech.com v (408) 617-5235 f (408) 730-1469 - ----------------------------- Piglet sidled up to Pooh from behind. 'Pooh!' he whispered. 'Yes, Piglet?' 'Nothing,' said Piglet, taking Pooh's paw. 'I just wanted to be sure of you.' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 14:13:57 -0500 From: earthsis@spindle.net (earthsis@spindle.net) Subject: songs/velvets/all things tori Hi everyone, I couldn't sit and be quite anymore.. I had to make a peep! ;-) This album really blows my mind. I love it - yes, it's different from her others, but it's like ice cream.. you LOVE ice cream, but you like to try new flavors. At least this album is like that for me. A new flavor of ice cream..possibly raspberry! ;-) To the person who typed a section of Neil's Velvets, thank you! Once again, Tori includes Neil, though not by name. She's certainly referring to his Velvets in "Hotel", as she thanks "Neil and the Velvets" in the thank yous... I found a SATY reference in Liquid Diamonds! I don't know if anyone else has sat down to figure out what she's saying at the end, but at about 4:35 in the song, it sounds as if she starts ad-libbing with this: "liquid diamonds i go inside a shell i see (say?) it's so and you're doing oh so well these days you do it again and i say it's coming back again something like that saturday's such was it can you bring me those jeans? keep it back Daddy's down preaching back and to himself keep it just between us liquid liquid liquid - -end of singing- I had a hard time figuring out what this song could mean, but when I heard that line "can you bring me those jeans", I started to see that this might be another to or about Eric.( In "Silent All These Years", she says," maybe I'm a mermaid with the jeans of yours (his) with her name still on it.) Liquid Diamonds refers to an "underwater thing". A mermaid, maybe?? Also, in "Northern Lad" (which we pretty much all agree is about Eric), she says, "I thought we'd be ok, me and my molasses"...in Liquid Diamonds, she says "the offering is molasses". I could be reaching, but there are so many similarities in her songs! I can't help but find connections! :-) Anyone else think that she sounds a bit like NIN in "iieee" with the"you little arsonist" part?? It sounds cool. Maybe I'll find some more stuff to babble on about! Take care, Angela~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:37:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: Tori playing in large venues Tori playing arenas is simply the next step for an increasingly popular artist whose new album is obviously getting a lot of attention from the top squid... err... record company executives at Atlantic. I don't think that boycotts or protests can do anything to change that. Personally I can't see myself going to see anyone in a giant arena setting anymore. Maybe seeing too many shows in small clubs and theatres has spoiled me, but going to see a concert at a venue as big as Madison Square Garden seems rather pointless. If all I'm going to see of the performer is a tiny little figure on a stage that is the length of a football field away from me then it's not like being at a concert at all to me, and the acoustics in arena's whose primary use is for sports invariably have horrific acoustics. As far as Tori's tour goes, I'm lucky enough to live close to what is apparently going to be the smallest venue that's been announced in the US so far, the 4800-seat Oakdale Theatre. Tori played there on the last US leg of the DDI tour and even though it was just her and Caton she fit the venue pretty well, so I think she'll also be fine there with the band. If Tori wasn't playing at the Oakdale and my only choices were to see her at the Fleet Center in Boston or MSG in NYC then I wouldn't be going to see her. I think what it comes down to is this... have you enjoyed other concerts at the local giant arena? If you have then you'll probably enjoy Tori with the band as well. No, it won't be the same intimate Tori experience that the earlier tours were (and it'll probably cost you more to see her), but it'll still be a good show. If you haven't enjoyed your other concert experiences at the local giant arena (and it was because of the setting rather than the band) then you probably won't enjoy seeing Tori there either. Whether you choose to go or not should depend on your personal tastes and what you enjoy in a concert. Choosing not to go doesn't make you any less of a Tori fan, it just means you don't like to go to arena shows. You're not somehow betraying Tori by deciding not putting yourself through an experience that you know in advance you'll probably hate. By the same token, choosing to go doesn't make you any more of a Tori fan, it just means you don't mind seeing concerts with 20,000 other people. If that's the case for you then that's fine, but it doesn't give you the right to look down on those Tori fans who don't share your opinion (and no, this comment isn't directed at any one person). Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: thoughts and sadness Beth Winegarner posted: > One of the things I had really been looking forward to, aside from the > show itself, was the meet & greet beforehand. You guys in SF really lucked out in reverse. I didn't speak with her before either the D.C. nor the Philly shows I saw on the club tour, but I know she stayed out a long time before each of them--like a half hour at each place--and the weather in Philly was terrible! It was windy as hell, had been raining all day, and it was basically freezing. I was shocked she stayed out that long in Philly under those conditions. I have no idea what was going on in SF to cause her to only stay a few minutes, but it seems she may have had some very good reasons. You said a lot of folks there to meet her were behaving badly, and in case you didn't see the reports, she had been in the hospital before the Seattle show because of food poisoning! Any of that could have been enough reason to keep it brief. It sounded to me as if she was pushing it to do the show itself, what between the food poisoning and any lingering pollen-caused problems she may have still been experiencing. I have no reason to believe she's not still totally committed to meeting the folks. I'll be surprised if that changes overall anytime soon. You know, on some of the rainy afternoons in '96 she had folks one at a time UP INTO HER BUS so she could meet them? It also *wouldn't* surprise me if some different method of doing it didn't have to be concocted on the main tour later this year in the U.S., if like 300 people start showing up before every show. She clearly can't stand out there all afternoon. And while I'm here I also want to note that she does seem to be mixing up the sizes of the places she's playing, both in Europe and in the U.S. For example, she's playing the same Oakdale Theatre in Wallingford, Connecticut, that she played on the DDI tour. Somewhere around 3,000 seats, I believe. > But the really sad news was the announcement of the places she'll be > playing when she comes back to san francisco this fall. [...] > ...I can't bring myself to believe that having Tori play arenas makes > any kind of sense at all. It's not going to be intimate or enjoyable or > spiritual -- how can she tap into the energy of that many fans, some of > whom are sitting thousands of feet away from her? I guess part of my answer to that is "wait and see." A number of people who saw shows on the '92 tour have been complaining ever since that they'll never be able to sit 20 feet from her and count her cavities or something, what with her playing the bigger venues of (fill in the name of all subsequent tours here). I'm sorry; this never made any sense to me, and it still doesn't. I saw so many astonishingly wonderful, even life-changing shows on the DDI tour that I know those who were worried about this back then were crazy--at least in terms of what I feel one deserves to get out of a concert, which is great music. The cavity-counters need to become good friends with her and see her play in her living room or something, because she isn't going to be playing in 300-seaters again anytime soon. Beyond that--this is a big show. I was nearly in the back of both club shows I saw, and there was nothing that made me wish I was right in front of the stage at either of those shows. If I wanted to see her face I used opera glasses. I'll never understand this whole thing. If you can hear the show from the back--and probably even better--and if you can bring optics and see her face, what you're supposedly missing would be exactly--*what*? I have never for the life of me been able to understand this concept, even after a number of folks have tried. And beyond even this--the shows are going to become much more wonderful as the tour continues. Those guys she has with her are fabulous players, and she and they are going to come to work together in musical conversation to an astonishing degree. It's gonna take a little time, and I was expecting it to be this way for quite a while so I'm not surprised by this other than how quickly they *are* getting up to speed on this, but I have every indication that it's going to be a thing to behold before the tour is over and done with. And it's gonna be in a big way and I expect it'll work just fine in an arena. And as much as many folks won't understand what I mean when I say this, I'll say it anyway--she's going for the kind of musical conversation on a group level that the Grateful Dead built *their* loyal following around, and much of that was indeed based on the thing you're saying that Tori won't be able to include in her arena shows, Beth--spirituality somewhat based on the crowd. The Dead managed to do that in stadiums. Tori can certainly do it in arenas with these guys she has with her. These shows seem to be heading toward having some serious hard edge to them, a la Zeppelin, or Big Brother and the Holding Company when they were backing Janis Joplin, higher-level group extemporizing a la The Dead and the Modern Jazz Quartet, and all with a 90s feel to it. I find all that to be rather astonishing and forward-thinking. I'm highly impressed, if not surprised. I've definitely come to expect the unexpected from her. I'm looking forward to seeing how this band progresses, and anticipate the best shows will be toward the latter part of the tour; but I wanted to see some of the earlier tour so as to watch the seedlings burst their tiny heads up through the soil, all to keen my appreciation of the ripened fruit at harvest time on the later points in the tour. I really feel strongly about this. A lot of people said they were blown away by the club shows. Those people seem to have no idea what's in store for them later on the tour. Their jaws will be on the floor. > I know they still have the time to change their minds, but I don't know > whether they're going to. What are these people thinking? Johnny > Witherspoon, her tour manager, should know better than to do something > like this that could basically destroy Tori's core audience's desire to > seek her out in a live setting anymore -- and fragment our loyalty to > her. This makes no sense to me either. Tori should play 3,000-seaters in front of a "core audience" rather than arenas in front of 20,000--what--disloyal fans? New fans? I intend to give her a chance on this tour. Anyone who doesn't because they're a "loyal" fan--well, what kind of sense does *that* make? Not much, from where I sit. > I'm just so sad and I feel betrayed by the people who represent Tori. I > wanted to find out how everyone else has been feeling, especially those > of you who took the time to wait in line all that time -- was the club > show worth it? It was to me. And I had to drive three hours before I got the privilege of freezing in line for 6 1/2 hours for tickets in Philly--plus all the waiting in get in the night of the show. And I must say, a lot of folks waited multiple times over the amount of time they needed to for club tickets. *I* didn't tell them to do that. > Would you go to an arena to see Tori? Absolutely. > Would boycotting do any good? Oh--the "loyal" fans boycotting the shows? Fascinating. Certainly not *my* concept of loyalty! > I think we all need to think about this, of course, I could be wrong... > but it seems really important. You're right, Beth. I hope folks *will* think about it. You know I love you, Beth. I can understand feeling kinda weird about all the changes. I think the changes make sense, though, and am waiting to be shown that's *not* the case, and doubt that's gonna happen. I really think Tori has her focus on the music the same as she always did, and none of these things are going to end up detracting from that. I also won't be surprised if the next tour is different yet again, in ways we can't foresee. To me, the element of surprise is a big one in the shows. I'm excited about these shows and this band. They need to be given a chance. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #171 *************************************