From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #170 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, May 7 1998 Volume 03 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori Didn't Thank The Faeries!!! ["Ryan Obermeyer" ] Re: MSG concert tickets [Jennifer Cush ] Re: What about the Fairies? ["Gina Senior" ] thoughts and sadness [Beth Winegarner ] my own jackie's strength interpretation [Glitergul ] Re: thoughts and sadness [Glitergul ] Re: thoughts and sadness [Beth Coulter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:11:52 PDT From: "Ryan Obermeyer" Subject: Re: Tori Didn't Thank The Faeries!!! Maybe she didn't owe them thanks this time around. Maybe she feels like this work came from herself more than the other works. Maybe she doesn't feel like these songs were influenced by the faeries since the album was a result of her dealing with her miscarriage. Maybe these songs weren't part of the faeries' department. Ryan Obermeyer >Tori Didn't Thank The Faeries!!! >A lot of people noticed this actually, and were also mystified. > >After all the work they've done for her, and she for them, she could have >thanked them. But, she did invite them to her wedding, so she still does >remember them. I think she did it on purpose. Maybe to show she's grown up, >and isn't the hippie-mystic child anymore. > >But I liked the old one!! > >Manda > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:37:48 -0700 From: Leigh Subject: Re: Tori Didn't Thank The Faeries!!! Tori did thank the faeries...she has them listed on the last page where she says Most Things Illegal and Faerie. It seems to be a continuation from the previous page where she starts her thank yous. Leigh At 08:24 PM 5/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >Did anyone else notice that on FTCH, Tori didn't thank the faeries?? >Is there a reason for this...did she forget...did she do it intentionally?? >That's the first thing I looked for as I was looking throught the CD booklet >when I bought FTCH yesterday...what's going on? >BTW, this album is absolutely breathtaking...every girl is so independent >yet work amazingly together >xoxo, >Kristy > Leigh ************************ leigh@xamyn.com ICQ# 9675848 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:51:33 -0400 From: Jennifer Cush Subject: Re: MSG concert tickets The ticketmaster website says that their phone centers are staffed weekdays from 9am to 9pm so I would assume that the correct time is 9am, but if anyone knows for sure.....WRITE!!!! It's 2 days away!! and i REALLY want tickets! jenn Britta Egrid wrote: > there was a post that said the tickets were going on sale fri @ 8:00 for > $33. then there was a post to go to some website b/c the good seats were > only being sold over the phone--which i don't understand, but anyway..... > so, at that website it said tickets were going on sale @ 9:00 for $35 > > so......my question is, which one is right? i'm assuming the web page, but ..? > if anyone knows, please (!) write back! > thanks!! > britta - -- ************************************************* "....I am like the winter, I'm a dark cold female with a golden ring of wisdom in my cave...." "I tell you, there're pieces of me you've never seen.." *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:32:42 PDT From: "Gina Senior" Subject: Re: What about the Fairies? That was one of the first things I noticed when I opened the booklet--that Tori did not thank the Faeries. BUT... it does say on the last page, "Most Things Illegal Faerie" ... I'm not sure what that means exactly but I thought I'd point that out. Gina ginawina@tamuk.edu http://www.geocities.com/~ginawina >From owner-precious-things@smoe.org Tue May 5 22:19:55 1998 >Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) > by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) > id 0yWv2O-0007BE-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:38:32 -0400 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id XAA16378; > Tue, 5 May 1998 23:25:49 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 5 May 1998 23:25:45 - -0400 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id XAA16086 > for precious-things-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:17:29 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from pentagon.io.com (mcurry@pentagon.io.com [199.170.88.5]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id XAA16082 > for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:17:21 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from mcurry@localhost) > by pentagon.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA25290 > for precious-things@smoe.org; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:14:27 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from portal.connect.ab.ca (root@portal.connect.ab.ca [206.75.40.10]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id VAA14277 > for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:56:24 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from carolrob (ts1514.connect.ab.ca [207.34.74.14]) by portal.connect.ab.ca (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA20713 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:45:51 -0600 (MDT) >Message-Id: <3.0.3.16.19980505195520.37ef43b8@pop3.connect.ab.ca> >X-Sender: kroberts@pop3.connect.ab.ca (Unverified) >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (16) >Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 19:55:20 >To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org >From: Butterfly Angel >Subject: What about the Fairies? >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: owner-precious-things@smoe.org >Reply-To: Butterfly Angel >X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-request@smoe.org" >X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. >Precedence: bulk > > >Did anyone notice that Tori did not thank the Fairies in her new album? > >*~lyn~* > >***************** >i can be cruel... >***************** > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:28:54 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: thoughts and sadness I know a lot of people have posted about their experiences at the SF show last night, and at all the club shows so far. I didn't wait in line like most folks did -- I was lucky and got a press ticket through Atlantic, since I was reviewing the show (set to go up on sonicnet/addicted to noise's site sometime soon). But there's something I've been thinking about since last night's show that I haven't seen discussed at any length... and it's something that's really bothering me, as much as I try not to let it. One of the things I had really been looking forward to, aside from the show itself, was the meet & greet beforehand. I knew there would be a lot of people there, but I really had no idea. My small group was just trying to stay in a place where we thought we'd see her when she arrived, but we got yelled at by everyone -- the Fillmore staff, the girls in the front of the line who'd been there for two days, everyone -- even though we only wanted to say hi to her and then we'd go to the back of the line. Even though I managed to see her bus pull up, and we waited alongside the barrier, Tori was only outside for about 5 minutes, saying hi to a few people before going inside. And to tell the truth, the way people were behaving, I can't blame her. I had had a pretty important message for her, and I know Violet, who had been waiting right next to me, had something she needed to tell Tori as well. But we never even had a chance. Everyone was rushing the barriers, screaming her name. However, I had told myself beforehand that it would be ok if I didn't get to meet her this time, because I'd gotten to interview her before and everything, and will probably be able to do so again. So it wasn't a huge deal. It was just -- the way things were handled could have been so much better. But the really sad news was the announcement of the places she'll be playing when she comes back to san francisco this fall. She's playing the Arco Arena on Sept 14, and the *New Arena in Oakland* Sept 15 (formerly the Oakland Stadium). Folks, even when the Spice Girls come to town they're not playing anyplace that big. This is the place where Elton John performed and Celine Dion is scheduled to perform. It's a fucking *arena* in every sense of the word. I nearly cried when I heard the news. I know, a lot of you probably think I'm overreacting. But however much sense this makes in terms of how many tour stops she'll have to make, marketing, etc etc etc, I can't bring myself to believe that having Tori play arenas makes any kind of sense at all. It's not going to be intimate or enjoyable or spiritual -- how can she tap into the energy of that many fans, some of whom are sitting thousands of feet away from her? I know they still have the time to change their minds, but I don't know whether they're going to. What are these people thinking? Johnny Witherspoon, her tour manager, should know better than to do something like this that could basically destroy Tori's core audience's desire to seek her out in a live setting anymore -- and fragment our loyalty to her. I'm feeling right now like I wouldn't even want to GO to an event like this, or if I do, I'll pick Arco because it's much smaller. I'm just so sad and I feel betrayed by the people who represent Tori. I wanted to find out how everyone else has been feeling, especially those of you who took the time to wait in line all that time -- was the club show worth it? Would you go to an arena to see Tori? Would boycotting do any good? I think we all need to think about this, of course, I could be wrong... but it seems really important. Beth However, that's not so much what really - -- "With her litany of complaints and demands, [Meredith] Brooks has been much more of a bitch than a mother or a child or a lover." (Jancee Dunn) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:07:04 EDT From: Glitergul Subject: my own jackie's strength interpretation hello...i'm coming over from the aol boards, and i read the interprtation of jackie's strength, and while i agreed with most of it, i thought i might make a try at it. i'm making my interpretation based on the interview done for the national broadcast. tori explained how she wrote it and why, and i think that its really interesting, the way that it works. i wanted to try to put together the story she told in the interview, and the story in the song. this may be long, and i apologize. i don't know how good this will go...but if you want...please do read on. starting with the story behind the song: "a paperback in an airport" " i just picked it up thinking that it would get me from new york to where i was going, and i immediatly saw this picutre of her in her wedding dress. of course it struck a cord because i knew i was getting married, and that's such a huge step..i never thought i would get married. it started to hit me--the importance of this step in my life, and i turned the next page and its that famous shot where jfk was shot and she was in the car with him, and just in the turning of a page, you see the birth of a bride and this whole other world for them, and then the death of a union". "the core of it that hit me was that this woman became the strength for the country when it was falling apart, and my mother will cry when she talks about it--my mother is so clear. she knows every detail of that day. she laid me down, i was three months old as a baby, and i just started seeing this film run in my head, when i picked up this paperback, and i started writing the song in the back of the book." and now the song: i think the opening lines are describing how that innocence of jackie's wedding, and then the assasination day--"mama laid me on the front lawn and praid for jackie's strength"--i think that last part, was about how the women of this country were each in their own way, praying for her, and then later, especially for tori, that was to become a little personal prayer. "feeling old by 21, never thought my day would come, my bridesmaids getting laid, i pray for jackie's strength" this goes back to tori, and her thoughts of her own life. by the time she was 21, she prolly did feel old. all the things, she'd been through. and then she is thinking of her own wedding, coming up, and the line about the bridesmaids represents the stress of planning a wedding. i agree with meg, about the courus, sounding like wedding vows. the next part about david cassidy, beene and pot, sleepovers...tori growing up in that time when women were gaining their strength, and girls were in that stage of becoming women. "you're only popular with anorexia, so i run myself inside out in hope someone will see"--i don't think she is admitting to being anorexic. (i heard someone suggest that earlier) i think she is rather saying how she didn't do that, but she sure did show everyone her insides with her piano. "i got lost on my wedding day"--i am torn between agreeing with meg, that she felt a little lost about her wedding. perhaps she had feelings...eric had visited (was this before or after the wedding, i don't know.) or it could be just as she said...the importance of her wedding, and her feelings about it. or maybe she really did get lost, in the sense of going to the church and taking a wrong turn. i'm not sure where the police come in. and then the last couple of lines: "if you love enough, you'll lie a lot, guess they did in camelot" well, i think she is talking about how no matter what happened between them, they still loved each other immensly. ( i think that is important ) "mama's waiting on my front lawn, i pray, i pray, i pray..." is she coming home to see her mother? perhaps before the wedding? after? does she have something difficult to tell her mama? maybe about the baby? whatever it was, she wanted jackie's strength, and i think overall, its a song about knowing what you want, what you have, what you can get, and having strength for all of that. and also, that no matter what happens, you can make it. if you made it this far, i thank you! i welcome comments, flames, whatever. love, remi *sleepy girl* glitergul@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:50:16 EDT From: Glitergul Subject: Re: thoughts and sadness i totally agree with beth here: <> i feel so much the same way. i will hopefully be seeing tori when she returns to boston, to play at the "fleet center". *gasp*. i have not really thought much about this show...and to be honest, i'm so good at not thinking about things that really upset me, and this is one of them. during the DDI tour, i got to see tori 3 times, in the most wonderful settings. i just don't understand how she is giving up the intimacy she has when she performs. does she think that not that she has a band, she has to play staduims? i wish they would reconsider this idea. on the other hand, i think it is important that as many of her fans get to see her, as possible, but in a stadium? its just insane, this thought. i did not get tickets for any "plugged" shows, and i understand the need to do the sales that way. the people who camped out, and really wanted to see her, got to. (i am an exception. i did not get to see her.) i don't know...i just don't like the idea of seeing tori in a place where hockey players break their teeth. i'd help boycott, if i thought it might work. love, remi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 00:03:38 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: thoughts and sadness At 07:28 PM 5/6/98 -0700, Beth Winegarner wrote: >One of the things I had really been looking forward to, aside from the show >itself, was the meet & greet beforehand. >Even though I managed to see her bus pull up, and we waited alongside the >barrier, Tori was only outside for about 5 minutes, saying hi to a few >people before going inside. And to tell the truth, the way people were >behaving, I can't blame her. I wasn't able to make the meet & greet in Philly, but I think that she didn't stay out much longer here. I think remembering that she has dealt with food poisoning and heavy allergies is required when wondering why Tori didn't spend much time. And I have thought at times looking at the shots of the crowd on tori.com that it must be intimidating for Tori to have *all* those people acting as tho' they worship her. If I were her, I would be majorly creeped out cause it isn't just folks who have known and loved her as a musician anymore. The crowd at the meet & greet seem to be made up of a lot of "Goddess Worshipers" (no offence intended). So perhaps Tori is no longer all that comfortable with the extreme adoration from her fans. >But the really sad news was the announcement of the places she'll be playing It's a fucking *arena* in every sense of the word. >I nearly cried when I heard the news. how can she tap into >the energy of that many fans, some of whom are sitting thousands of feet >away from her? >I'm just so sad and I feel betrayed by the people who represent Tori. I >wanted to find out how everyone else has been feeling, especially those of >you who took the time to wait in line all that time -- was the club show >worth it? Would you go to an arena to see Tori? Would boycotting do any >good? > When I saw she was going to play the Spectrum my heart sank. This isn't what I want, the bigger the crowd, the less I want to be there. But (I hate buts!), I feel that Tori is having to do this type of tour for AtRec's sake. They want Tori to go mainstream obviously and Tori is doing a slight bit of compromising (and giving the suits a good tweak at the same time) in order to accomplish that. Yes, the Club tour would have been worth it had I stood in line. I crave a show in a medium sized venue with good seats and view. But I'm not going to get that this time around, obviously. Yes, I am saddened by this, but I don't blame Tori at all. I have a feeling she tells Johnny to take care of things and she knows what she's doing when she gets there. Also, I had felt at the club show that Tori is now relying on the guys for the energy exchange and we (the audience) are now on a more voyeuristic role for this time around. We are no longer bringing stuff to the party as watching the party go on. Would a boycott do any good? Probably not. Tori is going to be majorly hyped from now until the end of the tour and it will be *The* thing to do for the summer of '98. How sad for us. So I guess all this rambling comes down to one thing--I agree with you Beth, but have no idea what could change this situation. Perhaps we should be resigned to the fact that *Everyone* likes Tori this year, that she will be the flavor of the month for a while and in a few years, the core audience (us) will still be waiting patiently for Tori to do what she does best---have an exchange with people who truly care about what the music is about as opposed to "It's got a good beat you can dance to...". Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** I gave my life to become the person I am. Was it worth it? - -richard bach- ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #170 *************************************