From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #109 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, March 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 109 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: under the covers [Adam Ares ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #104 [Ken Tough ] Under the covers [Allen Phelps ] Re: taking over the world ["La Wench" ] Re: Cover songs (again) ["Paul" ] Choirgirl Hotel 4 track Promo [Tripp Gwyn ] Re: Choirgirl Hotel 4 track Promo ["Mike Gray" ] tori in ny [TCZE87A@prodigy.com (MR SHINICHI TANAKA)] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #104 [Stephanie Handley ] Re: tori in ny [Adam Ares ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #104 [AKlink8489 ] RDT Fanzine [Beth Coulter ] hitchhicking [Laura ] Doubt about the Validity of the 4-Track Promo Report [Tripp Gwyn ] Re:Doubt about the Validity of the 4-Track Promo Report [Mikewhy ] Re: Doubt about the Validity of the 4-Track Promo Report [A Faerie ] Re: RDT Fanzine [Beth Coulter ] Re: under the covers [Cindergirl ] Re: I had a dream [Cindergirl ] Re: Doubt about the Validity of the 4-Track Promo Report [lilchibi@flash.] 4-CD sampler [lilchibi@flash.net] Jackies Strength [Beth Coulter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:49:11 EST From: Adam Ares Subject: Re: under the covers In a message dated 98-03-26 02:15:29 EST, you write: << Are there any Bowie fans out there? Some of his early stuff (circa _Hunky Dory_/_Man Who Sold The World_) is pretty simple piano/vocal stuff, but has that glammy edge Tori wears so well. After seeing _Breaking the Waves_ and hearing how "Life on Mars?" is used in that, I'd love to hear her do that...or "Freaks", for that matter. Mmm...and "2000 Miles" by the Pretenders. Those are my wishes. >> mmm.. yes indeed. david bowie's done some *great* stuff..... i can think of plenty of bowie songs i'd love to hear her do, actually... "life on mars?" i definitely agree with you about.. i can envision a great stripped down version of "starman"... even "quicksand". yumminess. :) oh, and and while we're on the subject of david bowie, just a quick plug: any of you who've never seen the movie "labyrinth" are hereby commanded to do so immediately. :) just thought i'd add that. in conclusion, i hope you're all comfy and snuggly wherever you sleep tonight, that you drink lots of water, and that you don't get bitten by any bugs. byebye :) - -adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:30:46 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #104 Nick Schutz wrote: >How about "And She Was" by the Talking Heads?? Yes, an excellent idea! I remember thinking about that song when the pregnancy buzz was going around at the end of '96. It's such a celebration of life/birth. Others I would like one day: Because The Night (P Smith/Springsteen) Solsbury Hill (P Gabriel) And I've always wanted to find a good Pretenders song. Hymn to Her seems pretty poignant now. - -- Ken Tough Cornwall, UK Home of the Choirgirl Hotel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:09:43 -0600 From: Allen Phelps Subject: Under the covers Hello all, I am new to the list but I thought I would chime in with a few thoughts as to covers I would like to hear. > You know, she should do something by the Violent Femmes, but the mood > would have to be right. It would have to be after a "happy" song, like > Happy Phantom or something. I'd say the "Country Death Song" but that > would freak out a lot of people. Hmmmm, "Good Feeling" maybe?? Any > other Femmes fans out there??? > The Femmes are great, I can't think of anything off-hand that would particularly fit Tori (but then again she is always amazing at taking any song that she covers and making it her own). > How about "And She Was" by the Talking Heads?? > > Nick > "And She Was" would be good. Also "This Must be the Place (Naive Melody)","City of Dreams"," Heaven". "Take me to the River" would be nice as well (The T-Heads are covering this from Al Green and somebody, but I am more familiar with their version). I really wish they would re-release the "Stop Making Sense" movie to tape someday (or even to theatres). Some other I can think of off-hand Concrete Blonde - "Dance along the Edge", "Joey", "Bloodletting", "Tomorrow, Wendy" (particularly the last one, although I think it is actually a Wall of Voodoo song, the live version on "Still in Hollywood" is really good). Oingo Boingo - "Stay","Try to Believe","Mary","We Close Our Eyes","Elevator Man" (I could go on and on) Leonard Cohen - Tori helped introduce me to his work (another thing to be thankful to her for). "Bird on a Wire","Everybody Knows","First We Take Manhatten","Coming Back to You" I am sure there are all sorts of people and songs that I am forgeting that will come to me later. It often amazes me when you start counting them up, just how many covers Tori has done, in addition to all of the great songs of her own. Allen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:00:37 PST From: "La Wench" Subject: Re: taking over the world hmmm...i do adore precious things, but it sort of fills me with angry energy...for pure positive *i'm damn cool* energy i go for In the Springtime of His Voodoo..."when you're the sweetest cherry in an apple pie i need some voodoo on these prunes" just always inspires me to do as John Travolta once said in Staying Alive (i think) "i wanna strut". *hehe* sweet dreams til sunbeams find you, veronica - ----Original Message Follows---- also, how about this thread??? what tori song makes you feel like you can take on the world??? mine personally is 'precious things', i was wondering what other people thought...slainte... ...................................................................... "i like being a mess...it's who i am" - ally mcbeal "she was caught in a love triangle, forced to choose between her love for shoes, and her love for him...and frankly, he just didn't match her purse." - found on a greeting card ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:12:50 +0000 From: "Paul" Subject: Re: Cover songs (again) On 25 Mar 98 at 18:01, Nick Schutz allegedly said: > >U2-Gloria > > This is a Van Morrison song. Well, it is, and it isn't. U2 have their own song called "Gloria", to be found on the albums "October" and "Under A Blood Red Sky". Not quite sure how Tori'd tackle it, though. Personally, I think the best song she could do is "Estonia" by Marillion.. "No-one leaves you when they live in your heart and mind, No-one dies, they just move to the other side...." Or how about "The Atrocity Exhibition" by Joy Division? Or "Run Riot" by Def Leppard? "Move It" by Cliff Richard? Side one of "Tarkus" by ELP? "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?" by Rod Stewart? "She Bangs The Drums" by the Stone Roses? Oh, the choices... Paul "Nottingham man wins right to eat sister" Paul.Tweedy@durham.ac.uk http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du http://toristuff.home.ml.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:57:36 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Choirgirl Hotel 4 track Promo Someone just posted this to the Tori newsgroup. I'm not 100% sure if it's true, but it doesn't sound totally off the wall. Though you guys might be interested. Remember I didn't write any of this... From: Justin Joseph Goellner Subject: WRUR got the choirgirl hotel sampler yesterday.. and... Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:29:28 -0500 Organization: University of Rochester the radio station i dj at and do music directorial stuff for, WRUR in ROchester, NY got the 4 song sampler ep yesterday, airborne express from atlantic recods. isnt that funny? i'm surprised nobody else has posted about it... here's the rundown.. the cover art (if it's the same as the album) is msotly black with a vertical painting or drawing or distorted photo (you cant really tell) of tori running away.. it's her back view- red hair flying, long blue skirt with a back slit, and no top! (oi). inside has the promo sneak peak tour dates which have already been posted. it also came with a recycled piece of cardboardish paper with the lyrics to spark (are they already out? does anyone want them posted?) the songs. okay. #1- spark. i wasn't totally excited by this track- i liked it, tori's voice is still amjazing. it has a full band alternative music kinds feel- too little piano. it's funny- in the bridge of the song (where a normal band would have a guitar solo) there's a PIANO SOLO!! hahaha. anyways.. it's not bad- i mean, tori could sing the phonebook to the sounds of a garbage disposal and i'd love it. #2- jackie's strength. this track is so much like marianne from pele except less creative. again, her voice is kicking much ass but the lyrics are skimpy and repetitive.. starts off with mostly piano and piano remains strong throughout the track- sounds a little like older tori stuff without the flair she usually has. still pretty good though. #3- raspberry swirl. this is SO MESSED UP!!!! it's totally like dance tori... lots of vocal distortion (the vocals reminded my friend and i of portishead on the new album), and really upbeat piano dance music.. it's kinds cool. if i didn't have such high expectations of tori, i would love this track. it's really unique. and #4- playboy mommy. this one is by far my favorite- awesome lyrics, perfect blend of piano elements and band/ other instruments.. .kinda midtempo. her voice is so calm + soothing on this track i love it. i don't know what else to say about it... so that's it. a few general comments: my oither friend who heard it noted it sounded much influenced by Y Kant Tori Read, and after closer listening i agreed. i mean it's by no means the same, but i see the connection.. all of the songs hover around 4 minutes long give or take a few seconds... her vocals have gotten really uh.. out there? she has lots of little stylings that flavor these songs.. i personally like them but i can see them becoming a big topic of debate. another note my friend had was how her songwriting seemed so unfocused compared to LE and UTP.. he thought pele was a departure but in comparision, this is radically different. she produced and wrote everything again.. (self indulgent??) :) i like it all- but like i said, i'd think the sound of her puking would be graceful. so... i hope i've helped satiate some of your curiosities... justin __**__ / \/ \ jg003g@uhura.cc.rochester.edu * cutepuke@innocent.com \ / cutepuke@yahoo.com * glittrboy@hotmail.com \ / justin goellner \ / http://uhura.cc.rochester.edu/~jg003g/ \/ * ** Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:03:06 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Re: Choirgirl Hotel 4 track Promo Hi Guys.. >#3- raspberry swirl. this is SO MESSED UP!!!! it's totally like dance >tori... lots of vocal distortion (the vocals reminded my friend and i of >portishead on the new album), and really upbeat piano dance music.. it's /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ I'm a huge fan of Portishead, but the idea of Tori doing trip-hop? Wow... blows my mind completely, especially as I suggested that if Tori did a duet with anyone, I'd like it to be the 'head. I can't imagine Tori singing over the kind of backbeat that Portishead use at all, though, or the kind of sampling... in fact, I can't image Tori using sampling at all... it seems all this work with BT has given Tori a new (dancy) direction? Well... I'm just going to have to start looking for that promo now! Cheers Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:05:02, -0500 From: TCZE87A@prodigy.com (MR SHINICHI TANAKA) Subject: tori in ny hey there, yeah i'm also planning on going to the irving plaza show. actually, i was wondering if you know about getting tix. i tried calling irving plaza and they said they had no info on the show. (i just called them like 5 min ago) i'm wondering if you have to go to the place and buy them there. did you get tix yet? i want to go so bad and i'll be so pissed if tix get sold out before i get a chance! i live in *joisy* too so i can't just like *stop by* and check out the place. so i was just wondering if ANYBODY has any info on tix info...... and that would be cool to have a get together. i'm not sure what's around there but i'm sure there's a coffee shop or something right around that area....i mean it IS downtown..... *****eimi****** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:13:48 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #104 Ken Tough wrote: > Because The Night (P Smith/Springsteen) > Solsbury Hill (P Gabriel) > These are the first two possible covers mentioned that really strike me as something I'd love to hear her do as well. I have a hard time thinking of covers I'd like to hear her do, I guess because she always comes up with something I would never have thought of as being a good Tori song--and of course makes it uniquely Tori Hmmmmm.... How about Wuthering Heights? Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:27:59 -0600 From: lush Subject: Re: Choirgirl Hotel 4 track Promo >I'm a huge fan of Portishead, but the idea of Tori doing trip-hop? > if tori did something trip-hop it would be absolutely incredible.. i can completely hear her voice over portishead beats.. she's got the kind of voice that would work really well that way, imho. a every turkey dies, but not every turkey truly lived. [h t t p : http://www.overlap.org . o r g ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:40:54 EST From: Adam Ares Subject: Re: tori in ny AFAIK the ticket info hasn't been announced yet... but i'm sure someone will mention it as soon as it is :) in fact, i was thinking about heading out to this show, until i realized i'm actually performing in a play that day... er, not to mention the fact that i've no idea how i would've gotten there anyway.... i'm still open for the boston date, though, if i can make it there.... any kind folks from western mass. heading out there who would let me tag along? pleeease? i know, i know, i'm really desperate :) hmmm.... - -adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:09:35 EST From: AKlink8489 Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #104 In a message dated 98-03-26 17:31:08 EST, stephanie.handley@mci.com writes: << Hmmmmm.... How about Wuthering Heights? >> Yeah!!! Pat Benatar did a GREAT cover of this, much better than Kate Bush's version, which is much too soprano for my taste. Tori'd do a very interesting spin off of that one. Good choice! =) Amber "All the White Horses" http://members.aol.com/AKlink8489/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:56:14 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: RDT Fanzine Recieved in Mail today a postcard from the Caldwells that states: "from the choirgirl hotel-- Our long awaited 11th issue is at the printer and should be done anyday now, but we've got such hot news that just can't wait!" The rest of the card is about what we already know about the pre-release club shows, the new single and the letterman & leno shows. So the fanzine is alive and coming to a mailbox near you, if, of course you are a subscriber! :) Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** I gave my life to become the person I am. Was it worth it? - -richard bach- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:12:57 -0300 From: Laura Subject: hitchhicking At 05:40 PM 26/03/98 EST, adam wrote: >i'm still open for the boston date, though, if i can make it there.... any >kind folks from western mass. heading out there who would let me tag along? > pleeease? >i know, i know, i'm really desperate :) hmmm.... hehe you think you are desperate because you considered hitchhiking? :-) I've considered hitchhiking too...and I'm 4500 miles south from the nearest show :-D besos laura ps. if I owe mail to anyone, please be patient, I *will* catch up on my email someday =) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:28:36 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Doubt about the Validity of the 4-Track Promo Report I have a slight doubt in my mind on the truthfulness of this report. I'm 99% sure it was the truth,but I have one lingering doubt. Okay, the guy who transcribed the "official" lyrics from the promo says this line is "she's convinced she could hold back a glacier" However, at the Jam music WEBSITE their info came from a much more official source and the lyrics were "She can crawl like a glacier/But she couldn't keep baby alive". So I'm a little suspicious. Of course, the last time official lyrics were included for a Tori song (SIREN) they sounded a little off to. Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:49:45 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: 4-track "choirgirl" promo sampler! Hello Ears With Feet, I have just added to my web page, A Dent In the Tori Amos Net Universe, information about a new promo CD sampler that Atlantic Records has sent to some radio stations. (See below for the URL) This sampler contains these four songs from "from the choirgirl hotel:" spark (4:12) jackie's strength (4:26) raspberry swirl (3:56) playboy mommy (4:08) I have comments & descriptions of all the songs, the official lyrics to Spark (which came with the promo), and lyric guesses to the the other three tracks. From the lyrics and descriptions, these songs sound really interesting! I have not heard the promo myself yet. The excitement just keeps building! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:07:09 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re:Doubt about the Validity of the 4-Track Promo Report Tripp said: >I have a slight doubt in my mind on the truthfulness of this report. I'm >99% sure it was the truth,but I have one lingering doubt. I now have 3 seperate reports about the 4-track promo sampler, so it looks valid to me! However, it is always possible that the lyrics as printed on the sampler are wrong... YOurs in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:48:33 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Thoughts on new lyrics... Wow, I've just read the transcriptions at Mike's site. If any of the people with a promo are here, I beg you to somehow give us a few samples. Please. Anyways... I think Jackie's strength is probably going to be my favorite. It's supposed to have strings and lots of piano. That's my kind of song. When Tori adds strings to her music, it does so much (think of what Cloud on My Tongue, Anastasia, or Marriane would sound like without them). Playboy Mommy: Hey, what would it be without a smoke jazz track. Ever since 'Voodoo, I've been in love with songs like this. This one line touched me... I never was there, was there when it counts get my way, you're so like me you seemed ashamed ashamed that I was a good friend of American Soldiers. I'll say it loud here by your grave. Those Angels can't ever take my place Just seeing the lyrics has already made the song for me. Rasberry Swirl: Hmmm, personally this one sound very neat to me. I hope it's grooveable. You always need a little Tori to dance to. I mean God and Cornflake Girl always gave me the "groove". The lyrics remind me of CG a little. I really want to hear this one SOOO bad..... Sorry if this is boring you guys, but I'm WAY too excited. Thanks to everyone who sent reports to Mikewhy! Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:16:04 -0600 From: A Faerie Subject: Re: Doubt about the Validity of the 4-Track Promo Report Tripp Gwyn wrote: > > I have a slight doubt in my mind on the truthfulness of this report. I'm > 99% sure it was the truth,but I have one lingering doubt. > > Okay, the guy who transcribed the "official" lyrics from the promo says > this line is > > "she's convinced she could hold back a glacier" > If you listen to Spark, it definatly sounds like she is saying "convinced" and there are defintaly more syllables in the line than in what Jam! listed. Listen to it again, and you may notice it. Then again i have it on audio so maybe that makes a difference from the wav which i had at first also. I think that the official lyrics on that line are more concievable than what Jam said, but thats just my personal opinion. Danica, who has found her voice again. - -- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/5612/torimp3.html - - Tori Amos: A Realm of Mp3's Website ....In my heart stirs a quiet passion http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/5612/glittermain.html All That Glitters....Is Sour (yes that be a homepage) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:20:30 -0500 From: "Giovanni Mantilla" Subject: I had a dream... Hey! I just wanted to tell you guys that last night I had a dream with Tori on it, well, not with HER on it, but her music... anyways, I dreamt that this friend of mine had gotten a 4CD promo kit of "from the choirgirl hotel" that included: the new album, an enhanced CD of live performances (I remember this quite clearly, it said something like "live from the DDI tour"), another CD of previously released b-sides ("This Old Man", "Sandwich Song", etc, all from the BfP singles) and the other one I can't remember very well, I think it was a remix CD. Anyway, I was just more than excited on this dream. I asked my friend (who is not a Tori fan) if he would sell it to me and he said he would, so I was very excited. I even remember listening to one of the tracks of the new album, it sounded pretty much like "Spark", but it was NOT "Spark". When I heard it I thought "Wow. Great, I love it, but this is certainly different from the stuff on other albums" (pretty much what some of us thought after hearing "Spark"). I even remember thinking, "Man, I got to let everybody know about this, I've got to email Mike". But unfortunately I woke up before those CDs were mine. Arggh! I also saw in my dream another "In The Springtime Of His Voodoo" CD single, different from the US one, I think it was issued in Germany or something, it had a different cover and had bonus tracks on it. I can't remember anything more. Oh well, I guess I just have to wait until the album is finally released. Tori is always on my mind. Later, Giovanni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:18:29 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: RDT Fanzine At 10:02 PM 3/26/98 -0500, Jenn wrote: >how do you become a subscriber? > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"Once you get to know sad... >she's got some sweet little dresses, you know?" >-Tori Amos >-Spin, 1994 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Go Here: http://www.toriamos.org/ Then hit fanzine stuff. You need to send a check for $17 (in the US) to the address you see (Columbus, Ohio) and your subscription should start with issue #11. Also on the web site there, you can read past articles to find out how good RDT really is. I've been a member since issue 2 and have never regretted my subscribtion (plus the fact that sometimes they have really cool Tori stuff for cheap...I got the Spin '94 poster for $3!). I hope you do subscribe cause it is a really great fanzine, and tell the Caldwell's I sent you. :) Fairy Blessings, Beth Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:56:14 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: RDT Fanzine Recieved in Mail today a postcard from the Caldwells that states: "from the choirgirl hotel-- Our long awaited 11th issue is at the printer and should be done anyday now, but we've got such hot news that just can't wait!" The rest of the card is about what we already know about the pre-release club shows, the new single and the letterman & leno shows. So the fanzine is alive and coming to a mailbox near you, if, of course you are a subscriber! :) Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** I gave my life to become the person I am. Was it worth it? - -richard bach- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:43:52 EST From: Cindergirl Subject: Re: under the covers In a message dated 98-03-26 01:19:16 EST, tugboat@channel1.com writes: << Are there any Bowie fans out there? >> I love david bowie! i think tori could do a good 'love you till tuesday' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:06:27 EST From: Cindergirl Subject: Re: I had a dream cool! i had a dream about Tori too last night. I went to one of her club shows, where she was on a floor below me and i was watching from railing above. the first song she played on a crappy piano, then they wheeled her glorious bosendorfer in on a truck. eventually i ended up downstairs sitting right by her while she played, and then i had to give her a ride home. she and her piano sat in the back of my suburban. the weirdest thing about this dream, though, is that jimi hendrix was with me. hmm.... **tory** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:13:11 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: Re: Doubt about the Validity of the 4-Track Promo Report Well, I remembered that exact thing when I was reading the supposed REAL lyrics... but if you think about the new lyrics they make sense. "She's convinced she could hold back a glacier... but she couldn't keep baby alive." I'm guessing that this girl is very strong willed and figuratively is able to hold a glacier. We all know that glaciers are huge, etc.. and this would inply her strength... or at least the strength she thinks she posesses. But it isn't enough to keep her child alive... and that is the ironic part. She thinks she is strong-willed to overcome even the largest obstacles, but she couldn't keep her baby alive. And as I think about it, I hope this woman isn't implying that *SHE* is the one to blame for the miscarriage... =~( But anyway, the loss of her child is greater than any tangible obstacle (the glacier). It's a beautiful metaphor! God I love tori! =D ANyway, in these lyrics: "She can crawl like a glacier/But she couldn't keep baby alive". I am assuming "crawling like a glacier" would be slow and majestic which makes sense by itself, but in conjunction with the second half of the lyrics... its confusing. BUT HEY, I COULD BE WRONG. Only my opinion! Okies, hope it helped. DOn't feel bad Tripp... I thought about the exact smae thing when I read them! =D Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:40:27 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: 4-CD sampler Well, I just got back from reading the "speculated lyrics" of Playboy Mommy and Jackie's strength. I could just picture and hear the piano in my head. *Very spiritual* But what I wanted to comment about was Playboy Mommy. ANd how "the little one" helped be a muse for this song. Just reading the lyrics made my eyes well up with tears. I admire Tori for once again being able to express herself and survive with her problems by singing about them. Just knowing that she writes these songs that everyone has access to, it's like reading a book. Or a bio on Tori. She is like crystal ball (not a faux or anything) but us being able to see into her. When I read the "lyrics" to Playboy Mommy, I saw a motherly Tori as the girl struggling with her angelic daughter. This line "Those Angels can't ever take my place" really got to me. Knowing that the character of this little drama as I put it, cared for this child so much. It reminds me of my life, but from a different perspective. Because my mother died when I needed her most, but no angel can fill her place. More thought provocing lyrics are: Don't judge me so harsh little girl You got a playboy mommy come home But when you tell them so just me name cross that bridge all by your lone little girl, they'll do you no harm they know your playboy mommy but I'll be home I'll be home to take you in my arms The last line is a great clincher! Oh, I know Tori will make a great mommy when the time comes. *sigh* ok, I'm getting all emotional now. But anyway... sorry to those who really don't care what I think... but I just cant wait for the album to be released! Or to hear these songs! Hee hee *hint hint* like Tripp Gwyn said... maybe make these songs accesible =D *big grin* Ok... well I'm done for the night! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:29:16 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Jackies Strength Am I the only one to see a very strong Kennedy thread? Did I miss a post saying this already? The shot, Camelot? Strangely beautiful and haunting lyrics. And I completely relate to the David Cassidy line, in the days when the Brady Bunch and Partridge Family were the TGIF for ABC. I can't comment on Playboy Mommy. I get too choked up just thinking about it. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** I gave my life to become the person I am. Was it worth it? - -richard bach- ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #109 *************************************