From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #63 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Teens and Gen X'ers ["rosalind's pea soup" ] Boxes and Expectations [Beth Winegarner ] "Sister Janet" and the Tam Lin myth [Xiao Ding-Dong! ] Re: European Tour Dates [Iggy Pop ] my dream [NaughtyEmp@aol.com] Re: European Tour Dates [Brian the Lion ] album to buy [persephone demeter_s ] Re: Cornflake Girls [zaina@juno.com (Lisa Zain)] Re: album to buy [BF & VA Maier ] attn: mike gray! [BF & VA Maier ] Re: European Tour Dates [Ken Tough ] Re: that box set. [Nadyne Mielke ] I was a Cornflake Girl [JEDAS1@aol.com] Re: Teens and Gen X'ers [JEDAS1@aol.com] i believe in peace [lellis@umr.edu] Re: Cornflake Girls (more) [SuGaRsTaRz@aol.com] Re: Teens and Gen X'ers [Micah McCrary ] What is a Cornflake Girl? (Re: I was a Cornflake Girl) [Sven Luetkemeier ] Vinyl BfP ["Kelly M. Smith" ] What is Tori Doing Now??? [Beth Coulter ] Re: Teens and Gen X'ers ["Mike Gray" ] Re: Teens and Gen X'ers [Catherine Adria Hardison ] Re: *tori amos* Teens and Gen X'ers [little faerie ] Tam Lin thumbnail [Xiao Ding-Dong! ] RE: "Sister Janet" and the Tam Lin myth [Chris Gladish Subject: Teens and Gen X'ers Do I count as a Gen X-er???? I'm a '77. A borderline girl. I guess I hate really plastering myself with a generation, but I've heard all sorts of things about where I fit in in this world. So I'm listening to tori when I fall asleep at night, and I'm finding that I sleep better, and wake up more refreshed and ready to tackle the globe etc. etc. Does anyone have any thoeries on the effects of different kinds of music on sleep? I know tori to have a very calming and sedative aura, since she plays from the subconscious mind most of the time anyway, bringing out all of her girls to play and all. my god. what a giant run-on sentence. gotta bed myself before i start forgetting grammar altogether. kerriloo^ your humble procrastinator "thanks for your interest, but my thing is already just the right size..." -miss ani d.- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:52:29 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Boxes and Expectations Nadyne wrote: > I'll agree with someone producing a comprehensive bootleg with all the > b-sides, but I will very definitely disagree with a company only > releasing a bootleg on vinyl. There was a period of time when vinyl > boots were being produced, but that time is long past. I can't name a > single bootleg -by any artist- that was produced on vinyl within the past > 5-10 years. I *never* said anything about it being ONLY on vinyl, and neither did anyone else. I said the clerk had said she thought she'd seen a Tori Box Set on vinyl, complete recordings. I'm now thinking in agreement with whoever said it was probably the Pink Earthquakes or BfP box. I don't see what else it could have been. On another topic, I forgot to mention (although it's kind of cool) that for the store I work, The Wherehouse, "Great Expectations" was named last week as the #1 selling alternative album for the week previous (2 weeks ago now). I don't know how it's doing now, but it was at least #1 for a little while. :) Beth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:58:00 -0500 (EST) From: Xiao Ding-Dong! Subject: "Sister Janet" and the Tam Lin myth Hey all...I really did mean to post about something both relative and debatable in my previous post, but instead posted for the sake of posting about something as-yet flexible. So, here's something that's tangible that we can talk about whilst awaiting further announcement of Tori's club dates and ticket information. ^_^ This past weekend, I saw the play _Bodacious Flapdoodle_ in NYC. For those unfamiliar with the play, it's a retelling of the Tam Lin myth by the playwright Mac Wellman, whose mythos, politics, and language-play reminded me of both the writer Tom Stoppard and our little red-haired friend. The Tam Lin myth tells the story of Janet, a young woman turned out of her family for poisoning a well, who falls in love with a demon shapeshifter known occasionally as Tam Lin. Unfortunately, the play itself is fairly abstract and messes around with time and space, leaving those who aren't completely familiar with the story of Janet and Tam Lin in the dark. However, the story reminded me of Tori's song "Sister Janet". The actress playing Janet looked like a Tori song, a hell-raiser in demure, Ophelia-like garb, and different aspects of the story itself seemed like things that would appeal to Tori. Of course, the girl it reminded me most of was "Sister Janet". So I must put out a question to all you EWF (two actually): is "Sister Janet" in any way inspired by Tam Lin, and could you post the lyrics so I can see for sure? There was a note in the program with a Cliffs Notes version of the story, but I lost the program...however, my friend and theatre companion will be emailing me the thumbnail sketch, which i will in turn post to the list. Sorry to ramble on like this. - --Chelsea ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*Chelsea, the Mod Pixie*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ tugboat@channel1.com "You can't just come in here, spout universal truths and use my toaster without proper justification!" - - _Surviving Desire_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:31:29 EST From: Tasha325@aol.com Subject: that box set. could someone please tell me what exactly was included in the "pink earthquakes" box set and about how much it should be worth now???? was it an import? thanks... :) tasha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:37:08 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: UK Gigs.. Hi Everyone.. I've called *all* the venues, and not one has official confirmation or will sell tickets yet, (although they all unofficially confirmed the dates we've been given) - basically, hold your fire, you can't get your hands on 'em just yet. Cheers Mike Mike Gray - now - mike.gray@zetnet.co.uk "The time between meeting and finally leaving is sometimes called falling in love" - Lisa Loeb Webpages (with more music than *ever*) http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mikegray/ ICQ : 6200976 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:35:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Iggy Pop Subject: Re: European Tour Dates YEEEES!!! Tori's playing Newcastle on the 24th of May!! Right where I live! Brilliant! Brilliant! Beyond Brilliant!!!!!! Any North-East England Toriphiles on this list; perhaps we could organise a big group of us, get nice tickets, and have a meet before the show. I'm pretty sure the tickets won't be on sale yet, but I'll ring up and check. Paul (in rapture!!) - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- | "These aren't cars we're selling. http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du | They're todgers" http://toristuff.home.ml.org | - Swiss Toni - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "An expert is someone who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow field" - Niels Bohr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:41:09 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: my dream Hiyas all This is going to sound so odd. I had this terrible dream and I can't figure it out. I also can't go back to sleep. It half-assed has Tori content in it so I thought I'd share. I was also curious as to hear what other people think this dream represents. If this bugs anyone, I apologize. By the way, I've always said my life was a zoo. ::giggle:: thanks for your time Blessed be, Lissa I was in a big mansion type house, living with a love and a best friend. The lover was no one that I know of. He was quite attractive though. The best friend was also someone I've never met before. She was a nerdy artist type. My real best friend Di was there. Di and I went grocery shopping while this man and this temporary friend went to get supplies for a project they were working on. It was either a painting or a sculpture. Di and I came home before the other two. There was a third person that was with us. The three of us were sitting in the middle of a room listening to Tori. I don't remember what songs were playing. I just remember that there were a couple and every couple of minutes I could hear myself say "Oh my God! This woman is absolutely wonderful" Di would always say "well I guess she's OK" Di isn't as in to Tori as I am, but loves her tunes. All of a sudden we hear moaning coming from the back of the house. Di giggled and said that it sounds like we're not the only ones home. I snuck back and saw my lover with my temporary best friend. I left them alone and came back to where I was sitting and just shook with rage. I didn't say anything to the man but told the girl "Don't worry sweets, I won't tell the world what a whore you are" then I gave her a hug. The man left the house and got brutally murdered, though I don't remember how. I decided to take my stereo out in the courtyard to listen to Tori there. I do remember here singing Muhammad My Friend and Marianne. It was raining outside and I was looking for a plug where it was dry. Why I needed a plug is beyond me because the stereo was playing without it being plugged in. Just then I stopped in my tracks. It seemed that I had made a jaguar lose it's dinner. When I walked around it was following me and looked at me like I was next. I was so scared! As soon as I thought my life was over, the most beautiful black panther came from around the gate. At first, it was attracted to the other vicious kitty. Then all of a sudden it's eyes locked on mine. I was frozen. I started backing up and then decided to turn around and run. I tried to scream but no noise would come out. As I was running I could feel the panther behind me and I was knocked down with such force that I skid a few feet. I tried screaming again with no success. All of a sudden I feel the cat taking a huge chunk out of my back. The lower left side to be exact. It didn't hurt all that bad. It just burned. I could feel the air on my insides and I could feel the blood running out of me. I woke up extremely startled and had extreme pain where the cat ate me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:27:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: Re: European Tour Dates On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:50:05 -0500 Richard Caldwell wrote: > Here are some dates for the European leg of Tori's 1998 World Tour. > Details are still being worked out on the US Club Tour dates but we'll > post them as soon as we have them. Check our web site for updates. > http://www.toriamos.org > > Tori Amos 1998 World Tour > > April 1998 > > 04/18 - > 04/30 US Club Tour - TBA > > May 1998 > > 05/01 - > 05/06 US Club Tour - TBA > > 05/07 - > 05/18 OFF > > 05/19 UK, Newport Centre > 05/20 UK, Liverpool Royal Court > 05/21 UK, Manchester Apollo > 05/22 UK, Glasgow Clyde Auditorium > 05/23 OFF > 05/24 UK, Newcastle City Hall > 05/25 UK, Wolverhampton Civic Hall > 05/26 UK, Plymouth Pavillions > 05/27 OFF > 05/28 UK, Portsmouth Guildhall > 05/29 UK, Nottingham Royal Centre > 05/30 UK, Sheffield City Hall > 05/31 OFF > > PLYMOUTH PAVILLIONS!!!!!!!!!!! THAT@S ,LIKE, NEXT DOOR to my house WOO-HOO!!(ala Homer simpson) Sorry, but i need to go have heart surgery now.... *gasp* - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:54:44 -0800 (PST) From: persephone demeter_s Subject: album to buy hello tori followers, my name is persygrrrl, perhaps you've heard of my women in musica website, http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/7234/ anyway, i joined this list to find out info on tori and want to thank you all. well ever since tori became a part of my page i've been thinking more and more about getting one of her albums. which one would you suggest to a tori deprived soul? candy hearts, persygrrrl _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:42:33 EST From: zaina@juno.com (Lisa Zain) Subject: Re: Cornflake Girls hi, in response to the quote about the 'old' cornflake girl that hung out with all the skaters, who smoked (to fit in) and all that stuff. i think i'm one of the younger members on this list, and yes i've only like tori for 3 years, but that doesn't make me bad right? (just... deprived) i'm still in high school, and i guess i *am* a skater, not a skater girl, but i definitely don't identifying my group of friends (yes, some of them don't skate, they just have skater boyfriends, but i'm not gonna turn this into a skater/poseur issue) as cornflake girls. i feel bad, but we see what we call as the 'contempo girls' (after the store contempo casuals) the cornflake girls, i can't say we're all happy with our lives, and that we don't fight, but we're definitely not cornflake girls. maybe it's a cornflake like thing to do to generalize a group of people just 'cause of the types of stores they shop in, but i have to admit to myself, i do really think, they buy those clothes to fit in to that kind of a ring... that acts like *that*. maybe in your (directed to kristy) high school the skaters were our version of the contempos, maybe... but i have lots of friends who have changed, and i realize they weren't really liking being in the 'in' crowd, they just did it because childhood friends 'changed' so they did too... they were caught. maybe this is just one long run-on paragraph, and i don't really know what i'm talking about, but i know that i'm happier then usual, and i didn't really ever *try* to fit in... maybe i'm just weird (well of coarse! :) but if anyone out there knows what i'm saying e-mail me, or post it if it's related. thanks for your time Lisa ... so if you jump, you best jump far... tori amos _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:45:21 +1100 From: BF & VA Maier Subject: Re: album to buy persygrrl -- hello! and welcome! :) i would definitely suggest running out and grabbing a copy of little earthquakes - the cornerstone of any and all things tori. faerie dust & blessings, ~*~heidi~*~ - -- "I know I'm not the pysical norm of all these American film stars, but I'm happy the way I am. I am a woman and I've got boobs and a bum I'm probably 60kg, but I haven't checked. When you're younger, you're very sensitive and think being slim means that you are more loveable and likeable and that being fat means you are stupid. I am realising, at the age of 21, that that simply isn't true..." ~KATE WINSLET. "I think you're always striving for wholeness. I don't think you can put a time limit to it; it's really always another fragment coming your way as long as you're alive until you leave the planet." ~ TORI AMOS. "You'll say: 'It's really good to see you', You'll say: 'I missed you horribly', You'll say: 'Let me carry that, give that to me', And you will take the heavy stuff, And you will drive the car, And I'll look out the windows and make jokes about the way things are. How can I go home? With nothing to say? I know you're going to look at me that way, And say: 'What did you do out there?' and 'What did you decide?', You said you needed time, And you had time." ~ ANI DIFRANCO. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:22:51 +1100 From: BF & VA Maier Subject: attn: mike gray! Sorry to use the list for this everybody, but it is my only way, so please forgive me! :) Mike Gray! Can you *please* email me, because I've had the worst few weeks with email - only receiving some messages, others getting 'lost in the system', as well as all my saved mail [which included yours] being wiped... I don't want you to think I'd forgotten about you or was being rude... I hope to hear from you soon! Heidi :) - -- "I know I'm not the pysical norm of all these American film stars, but I'm happy the way I am. I am a woman and I've got boobs and a bum I'm probably 60kg, but I haven't checked. When you're younger, you're very sensitive and think being slim means that you are more loveable and likeable and that being fat means you are stupid. I am realising, at the age of 21, that that simply isn't true..." ~KATE WINSLET. "I think you're always striving for wholeness. I don't think you can put a time limit to it; it's really always another fragment coming your way as long as you're alive until you leave the planet." ~ TORI AMOS. "You'll say: 'It's really good to see you', You'll say: 'I missed you horribly', You'll say: 'Let me carry that, give that to me', And you will take the heavy stuff, And you will drive the car, And I'll look out the windows and make jokes about the way things are. How can I go home? With nothing to say? I know you're going to look at me that way, And say: 'What did you do out there?' and 'What did you decide?', You said you needed time, And you had time." ~ ANI DIFRANCO. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:16:57 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: European Tour Dates Brian the Lion wrote: >PLYMOUTH PAVILLIONS!!!!!!!!!!! >THAT@S ,LIKE, NEXT DOOR to my house >WOO-HOO!!(ala Homer simpson) >Sorry, but i need to go have heart surgery now.... According to their box office, it is not confirmed yet. We can only hope. If you do find out anything, BtL, please let me know. I'll owe you 1,000,000 thank you-s. And what's with this massive void in the London area? A weird set of dates if I ever saw one. But still, hey, Plymouth, can't complain. Too bad it looks like she's not performing at "home" in Cornwall :( Cornwall Colliseum maybe? Perhaps christen the new Hall for Cornwall in Truro? Let us pray... - -- Ken Tough "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine." ken@objectech.co.uk Cornwall, United Kingdom -- Patti Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:22:12 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: that box set. On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 Tasha325@aol.com wrote: > could someone please tell me what exactly was included in the "pink > earthquakes" box set and about how much it should be worth now???? was it an > import? It's a box set that includes the book _Pink Earthquakes_, a certificate of authenticity {which guarantees that it's not genuine! *grin*}, a copy of LE, and a copy of UtP. All of these are easy to come by. The book has been published in its own right, and you can easily pick this up at your local bookstore or have 'em order it. I believe that you can order it online at the following places: http://www.books.com http://www.amazon.com http://www.barnesandnoble.com There's no real information in the book that you can't find in the official autobiography _All These Years_, but there are some good pictures. I personally don't think that the box set is worth all that much, since (1) it's not legit, and (2) all the stuff in it {with the obvious exception of the "certificate of authencity"} is -very- easily available from other sources. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:37:31 EST From: JEDAS1@aol.com Subject: I was a Cornflake Girl Okay, I was a Cornflake Girl one point in my life. I wasn't mean to all girls, just this one girl that the group of friends didn't like. I liked her at first, but they talked me into being mean to her. I was only mean to her once. But even one time is too much. So I guess I was a Cornflake Girl, but even then, it wasn't too terrible. I yelled at her once. It was silly. It was stupid. But it really didn't leave any "scars" on anyone. I'm a Raisin Girl now - I was one before that one-time Cornflake Girl incident. I constantly deal with Cornflake Girls at my school and in my neighborhood. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:53:56 EST From: JEDAS1@aol.com Subject: Re: Teens and Gen X'ers I hate the term "generation X" I'm 18, but I don't consider myself a Gen. X. I mean, it's used to describe 13 year olds, but it's sometimes even used for people in their 20's. I'm sure there's at least one Tori person around. I found Tori People at my school - I never even thought they knew who she was. I even know some Hip Hop people who listen to her. julie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:41:18 -0600 (CST) From: lellis@umr.edu Subject: i believe in peace i heard that there were these pendents (similar to the "we both know it was a girl back in bethlehem" crosses) that said "i believe in peace, bitch" are these still available? i'd love to have one. i have the cross and i love it!! leah raisin girl, b.g. http://www.umr.edu/~lellis ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` KMNR 89.7fm radio business grrrl and dj "I have my own parties. They show: 430pm-8pm wednesdays involve being barefoot with a piece university of missouri rolla of fried chicken and a margarita in *geology* each hand." -Tori Amos ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:59:48 EST From: SuGaRsTaRz@aol.com Subject: Re: Cornflake Girls (more) I've realized that quite a few people have experienced the "preppy" crowd being the Cornflake Girls. That's something that is very likely, I've known quite a few Cornflake Girls that were "preps." My Cornflake Girl days took place in middle school, (6th thru 8th grade) and I think the only reason there weren't more 'preppy' Cornflake Girls is the simple fact that we 'skater chicks' (also known as freaks) scared the hell out of them. There were 2 kinds of 'skater chicks,' actually. There were my group of about 12-15 girls, who were very good friends with the skaters and dated them, who smoked and drank, but not many did drugs. Then there was a second, perhaps a 'harder' group. They used drugs constantly. You name it, they've tried it. We always grouped together with them when we wanted a fight with a girl who was outside of our group. I think that the girls that continue to be Cornflake Girls throughout high school, and quite possibly the rest of their lives have some serious problems. I know that turning to a Raisin Girl was the result of a lot of therapy, and it was a bit hard for me to make this transition, but I'm glad that I did it now. I wouldn't have the wonderful, amazing friends that I have now, and I would be, frankly, a bitch. When I was going through this extensive counseling, I was listening to Tori more than anything....and I know that Tori helped me through a lot. She said things that I needed to hear, in so many ways. I believe that's a great deal of the reason why I'm so attached to Tori now. She's helped me through so much. Love, Kristy "Caught a ride with the moon, I know I know you well, well better than I used to." Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:08:13 -0500 (EST) From: Micah McCrary Subject: Re: Teens and Gen X'ers On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 JEDAS1@aol.com wrote: > I'm sure there's at least one Tori person around. I found Tori People at my > school - I never even thought they knew who she was. I even know some Hip Hop > people who listen to her. Julie, I am 19, and personally I like all kinds of music, there is even some *gasp* country music that is pretty good. If you are truely a fan of music, it hard to just like certain kinds. That is how I feel atleast - -- Micah McCrary "I found the secret to life... I'm ok when everything is not ok." - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:17:09 +0100 From: Sven Luetkemeier Subject: What is a Cornflake Girl? (Re: I was a Cornflake Girl) At 16:37 +0100 18.02.98, JEDAS1@aol.com wrote: > Okay, I was a Cornflake Girl one point in my life. I'm not sure whether I understand the meaning of the phrase "Cornflake Girl". I used to go with this interpretation referring to a song of Billy Bragg (British songwriter), but I believe "Cornflake Girl" means something different in all those posts on this list: > Cornflake Girl > > (?)A "Page 3" Girl -- a scantilly-clad (topless?) girl displayed on page 3 >of the tabloid newspaper The Sun. The reference is apparently because you >read the paper during breakfast while having cornflakes.(?) (taken from http://www.mindspring.com/~usul/bragg.songs.html#CORNFLAKE) I don't know too much about the American Society, so I would be very happy if someone could englight me a bit about what Cornflake Girls are. Regards, Sven - -- Sven Luetkemeier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:23:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Kelly M. Smith" Subject: Vinyl BfP Hello everyone, I have a small question. I just purchased a limited edition (so the label says) Vinyl Boys for Pele.... The only problem is... I am *just dying* to take it out of the plastic... I don't have a record player... I won't play it... Should I keep it in the plastic or take it out and look at it and get fingerprints on it or have other potentially bad things happen to it... Are there any good reasons for not opening it? have a nice day Kelly :) *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ Squint your eyes and look closer. I'm not between you and your ambition. I am a poster girl with no poster. I am 32 flavors and then some. And I'm beyond your peripheral vision, so you might want to turn your head, 'cause someday you might find you are starving and eating all of the words you said. --Ani Difranco ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:54:33 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: What is Tori Doing Now??? OK guys, I've doubled posted, so all arty turners here can scroll on by when it comes out (when Vi?) Now since I truly don't know the answer to that question, and really, I think this will start applying more when she starts traveling for the album next month, I thought I would share Tori's own words about what was going on for her during the UtP tour. This is from "Upside Down Fanzine, Issue #4", excerpt from article written by Tori Amos~*You're Such A Lovely Audience, We'd Like To Take You Home, We'd Love to Take You Home.* "...I start each day early in the morning packing to leave for the next city, then I have to fly or drive there. It doesn't seem to matter which way I travel, one way I have the driving time, and the other I have check in, baggage pick-up, car returns or rentals, and waiting. It's usually noon or later by the time I get to wherever I'm going. Then I have to check in at the hotel, and eat. This is my most important meal of the day because it has to last me until midnight or later. I can't eat four hours prior to a show because it affects my voice, and this tour is not catered, so I have to find nutritious food in each city. A Taco Bomb is not going to get me through the day. Sometimes I've started the day's interviews while I'm eating, or right after I'm done. I do about 6 interviews per day, radio station's first, and then the journalists at the hotel. Then comes the sound check to make sure everything is right for the show. This is followed by exercises for my shoulder and a warm-up in general, phone calls from management and phone interviews arranged that day, and getting dressed for the show. After that, I'm walking on stage, and it will be 11 or 11:30 p.m. before I'm done. After a show, it takes me an hour or so to wind-down enough to be able to sleep, and that process does not start until I'm back in my hotel room, nestled down with my bowl of fresh fruit . Mickey is ticking close to 2:00 a.m. when my head hits the pillow, the sun comes up, and I start again." Wow!!! And I've read where she works out at the gym alot before starting a tour and being real strict about her diet, like no dairy products (No Ice Cream!!!) because it affects her voice. Before anyone asks me, no, I don't know what the shoulder comment was in reference to. Perhaps one of the great gods of Toriville will know what she is talking about. Mike? Richard? So maybe if we all remember what Tori is really doing during the time she is off-stage, we can give her what she needs--space and time for energy building--and then maybe we get back what we need--a terrific performance and maybe a quick meet & greet. If people crowd her before and after shows, pressing for autographs and hugs, then those huge guys are just going to bundle her past everyone. Maybe if we all stand back in respect when she comes or leaves the theatre, she can spend those precious 10 minutes speaking to all, as opposed to some hearing her voice and others being left disappointed. Think about it. Maybe everyone will win out. Just my humble opinion of course. Thanks to Tom Richards(former pub of Upside Down Fanzine). If anyone knows where he is, tell him to get in touch with me. ***Important Note*** Tori's management no longer recognizes or supports "Upside Down Fan Club". ***In other words*** It has gone under, with not nice circumstances. Do not look for it. It no longer exists, or if it does, Tori doesn't support it. Fairy Blessings, Bethey - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** Know your Teachers, Learn all you Can, Then go Teach what you have Learned. That is the True Secret to Life. Beth Coulter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:56:11 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Re: Teens and Gen X'ers >Does anyone have any thoeries on the effects of different kinds of >music on sleep? I know tori to have a very calming and sedative aura, Only one.. I know for a fact that Portishead keeps me awake all night... Cheers Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Adria Hardison Subject: Re: Teens and Gen X'ers in response to the teen/gen x tori listener thing...i'm 18 years old and i love tori...i've been listening to her ever since my mom blasted 'little earthquakes' throughout the house, and i've been seriously hooked...at the time, i was in junior high, where being an individual of any type that frowned upon, but i only wanted to listen to what was good and meant something to me, not what the masses deemed as suitable...so, be happy that one of us teens actually care what actual musical talent is... - ------------------ kate hardison hardic2@rpi.edu 'they were digging a new foundation in manhattan and they discovered a slave cemetery there may their souls rest easy now that lynching is frowned upon and we've moved on to the electric chair' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:26:50 -0800 From: little faerie Subject: Re: *tori amos* Teens and Gen X'ers *|/*~*im 15 and i listen to tori*~*\|* why do i enjoy listening to her? because tori is beautiful. the music that pours out of her bosies are beautiful, and her voice is amazing. and right now im sitting crosslegged in purple fishnet tights, eating banana pudding with my tiara on wishing i had something better to do than fight with my kitty over who gets the chair. *tori* is a firebreathing red haired goddess and i love her for everything she has inspired in me, like the confidance i need to possess every day to survive in my world of harsh and vindictive points of view, cornflake girls, abusive men, being misunderstood, having my creativity squashed by so many nameless faces too afraid to acknowledge anything different, and just lots of different annoying little bits and pieces of people that happen every day. like- "oh, yr boyfriend f*cked that bestfriend of yours. well now, thats too bad." tori has given me something special. her thoughts and her beliefs and her girls have gotten me through some pretty prickly things ive had to deal with lately, and for that i am eternally greatful. so i guess im just another little girl that likes tori. love, erynn *last minute thought, i didnt mean to sound all bitter. and has anyone any idea of the price that "tori stories" is worth? im curious to know. i dont have the collectables book* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:17:24 -0500 (EST) From: Xiao Ding-Dong! Subject: Tam Lin thumbnail Here's the legend of Tam Lin, as it was related in the program for _Bodacious Flapdoodle_. I don't know if Sister Janet is specifically based upon it, but it sounds like the kind of thing Tori would write a song about, yes? - --Chelsea The Legend of Tam Lin is told in many Scottish ballads. Janet, a young maiden, visits the forbidden well, which is guarded by the knight Tam Lin. Although once a mortal, Tam Lin was captured by the Fairy Queen and when Janet and Tam Lin fall in love, they plan his escape. On Halloween, as Tam Lin describes, the Fairy Host rides abroad at night and Janet pulls Tam Lin from his horse. He changes shape to a snake, a bear, a wolf, and an iron bar, but she holds fast. When he turns to a burning coal, she throws him into the wall, and Tam Lin emerges naked, a mortal knight. She covers him with her cloak, and the Fairy Queen cries that she should have plucked out his eyes and turned him into a tree. Janet and Tam Lin escape together. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*Chelsea, the Mod Pixie*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ tugboat@channel1.com "You can't just come in here, spout universal truths and use my toaster without proper justification!" - - _Surviving Desire_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:45:02 CST From: Chris Gladish Subject: RE: "Sister Janet" and the Tam Lin myth >of was "Sister Janet". So I must put out a question to all you EWF (two >actually): is "Sister Janet" in any way inspired by Tam Lin, and could you >post the lyrics so I can see for sure? There was a note in the program with >--Chelsea > Hmmm... interesting you should bring up a connection between the two... I've never even thought of it. And here I've even gone through the trouble in the past to put up web pages on both.... I suppose I could see a connection, if I force myself to, but even then it's still to shaky of a similarity to say definitively one way or another. But, so as you can draw your own conclusion, below my .sig you'll find the lyrics to Sister Janet as I have them, and to compare to Tam Lin, I got this page for it at http://cctr.umkc.edu/~cgladish/tamlin.html . I won't post the entire ballad because, though it's not extremely lengthy, it's still of a somewhat large size. Now, does anyone else out there have any opinions on the subject matter? Or perhaps some better info on what inspired her to write that song? - -Chris - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Church of Tori, The Regular Frankie Fan Club (RHPS in KC), The Ballad of Tam Lin, the Boffo List, and more: http://cctr.umkc.edu/~cgladish/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SISTER JANET Master Shamen I have come with my dolly from the shadow side with a demon and an Englishman I'm my mother I'm my son nobody else is slipping the blade in easy nobody else is slipping the blade in the marmalade All the angels all the wizards black and white are lighting candles in our hands can you feel them touching hands before our eyes and I can even see sweet (Marian/Maryanne/Marianne -- you pick ;) Sister Janet you have come from the woman clothed with the sun your veil is quietly becoming none call the Wanderer he has gone and all those up there are making it look so easy with your perfect wings a wing can cover all sorts of things ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:07:07 -0800 From: violet@torithoughts.org Subject: about Tam Lin (long-ish) While the tale of Tam Lin originally existed only as a Scottish ballad passed down over centuries (or I should say "ballads", as there are several versions; I have copies of two on my shelf, Tomlin and Thomas the Rhymer), many modern writers have molded it into story or poem -- or even stageplay ;) -- versions. Often, Janet is not "Janet," but "Margaret" or some other name or no name at all. Below is a storified "Janet" version that I used in the Samhain edition of my Story Time mailing list in 1996. It incorporates elements of several of the ballad versions. BTW, for those of you who are unfamiliar with Story Time, it's a distribution-only list containing short stories, many with some sort of Tori connection or personality. This one was used for its "fairy" and "Janet" angles. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tam Lin (a Celtic fairy tale) The rescue of a mortal from the grasp of captor fairies was a venture fraught with danger. Few people were steadfast enough for the attempt, but there were some. One was a Scotswoman, the daughter of the Earl of March. Janet was her name. Near the castle where she lived, just north of the English border, was a place called Carterhaugh Wood, known to be guarded by an elfin knight. No maiden went there and returned unscathed, but Janet cared not a whit for the danger. Early one summer afternoon she left her father's hall and went blithely to a well in the wood to pluck the briar roses there. She picked one -- and the knight appeared before her in the leafy shade, tall and pale and cloaked in silk. The setting sun had begun to send shafts of gold through the leaves before Janet left that wood, a maid no more. But she went again another day to find the knightly stranger, for she had loved him at once. In the drowsy summer afternoons, he told her what he was -- no elf, but as mortal as she. His name was Tam Lin, and he was the grandson of the Earl of Roxburgh, captured by the fairies years before. He had served the Fairy Queen since, guarding her wood by day and riding with her troop by night. What mortal could rescue Tam Lin from that shadow life but Janet who lived him? She told him she would save him if she could, and Tam Lin described how the mortal must challenge the power of the Fairy Queen. Then he faded into the sun-speckled forest. On the Eve of Allhallows, following Tam Lin's instructions, Janet stole through the moonlit wood to a crossroads nearby -- an in-between place, where fairies might be seen -- and hid herself behind a thorn hedge. At midnight she heard the trills of music pipes and the softer notes of lyres; she saw a glow, as of throngs of fireflies, suffusing the sky just beyond the crossroads. With jingling bridles and pealing bells, the fairy troop came into view. At its head, riding tall on a black horse, was the Queen, her countenance as pale as an image seen in antique glass. Lords and ladies followed, their delicate, ghostly faces turned up toward the moonlight, their elfin locks following behind. At last, in that uncertain light, Janet saw Tam Lin and knew him by the signs he had given her in Carterhaugh Wood: He rode a moon-white horse; he wore only one gauntlet, and on his brow rested a golden circlet. As Tam Lin had bade her, Janet acted. When he came abreast of her, she sprange fearlessly from her hiding place and dragged him from the saddle. At once a shrill, fierce fairy cry rang out: "Tam Lin is away!" The Queen reined in her horse, swiveled in her saddle and fixed Tam Lin with an icy gaze. The knight's warm body seemed to melt in Janet's grasp. She clutched empty air and thought Tam Lin was lost. But he was not: Tiny feet beat against her palm and a salamander writhed in an effort at escape. With an instinct quicker than thought, Janet cupped her hands and contained the creature. The elfin Queen's eyes glittered, and the salamander swelled until Janet found herself holding the cold, scaly coils of a serpent that flexed and twined about her arms and neck. She set her jaw and pressed herself against the creature, clutching it in a lover's embrace while a numbing chill crept through her heart. Janet did not flinch or slacken, for the knight had told her what her trial would be: All that could save him from his enchantment was the unyielding grasp of a mortal lover, given at midnight on Allhallows Eve. The Fairy Queen cried out, and the scaled under Janet's hands melted away, to be replaced by the thick fur and shining teeth of a bear. Janet trembled, but she held her breath against the beast's rank odor and stood fast, her arms grasping its massive body. With a cry of rage, the Fairy Queen lifted her arm, and all around, Janet heard a sound as of sails flapping in the wind. Straining against her grip was a swan, its bill pecking sharply at her face, its great wings beating against her arms. But the mortal grasp never weakened. And at last the struggling stopped. Where serpent, beast and bird had fought was only a heavy iron bar -- but that bar was incandescent with its heat, burning the mortal flesh. It was the end, and Janet knew it. Dodging the trampling hoofs of the fairy horses and closing her ears against the eldritch cries, she ran into the Carterhaugh Wood and cast the iron into the well. There was a hiss of steam as the bar struck the water, then silence. From the well stepped a naked man -- Tam Lin, reborn into the mortal world. Janet wrapped him in her cloak. Behind them was the elfin Queen, steadying her dancing horse and regarding them with cold eyes. The battle was over. "Had I but known that an earthly woman would win you away with her love, Tam Lin," she cried, "I would have taken out your heart of flesh and given you one of stone." She wheeled around and summoned her company to her, and then the fairy band faded like wraiths into the trees. But Tam Lin and Janet scarcely heard, the chroniclers say -- their thoughts were only for mortal love. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * After the story appeared in the digest, Laura Drescher, one of my Story Time subscribers, wrote and told me she had been researching Tam Lin for about a year. She wanted me to know that that Neil Gaiman had used references to it in his _The Books of Magic_. It seems Thomas the Rhymer (who was also known as Thomas of Erceldoune) appeared as "the minstrel that is attending the sleeping king." (Thomas was actually a real man who lived in Scotland in the thirteenth century and was honored as a great seer for many generations after his death.) Also, "Tam Lin appears in _The Books of Magic_ as Tim's father." Certainly Tori would have been exposed to these mentions. Violet xoxox ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #63 ************************************