From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #45 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, February 5 1998 Volume 03 : Number 045 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Flood New Tori Single in Australia [-= Robyn Hode =- ] Orange BfP Promo [jlovoi@sps.edu (Space Dog)] Re: Orange BfP Promo [Tasha325@aol.com] recovering christians [lellis@umr.edu] Re: recovering christians [Shadowboxer-M ] Etienne lyric ["Giovanni Mantilla" ] Re: Etienne lyric [Stephanie Handley ] Re: Etienne lyric [meow ] Re: "Etienne" lyric [geministar@webtv.net] Re: Tori's Grandfather ["Hanna Paulus" ] Re: Icicle...I *finally* figured it out! [Tasha325@aol.com] tori song [jjacobsen@huntingdon.edu (Jennifer Jacobsen)] Re: Tori's Grandfather [Tripp Gwyn ] Bootlegs for sale. ["Katherine A. Dunseath" ] Honey we're recovering Christians.... [Adam Mullet ] Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... [ButterFliKip ] Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... [Shirlgirl Subject: Re: Flood New Tori Single in Australia > Flood is *not* a new Tori single song title. It was posted to the > ToriNews group in the subject line *only* as a means of saturation of > Information (as in flood the other Newsgroups with this exciting > news) and this seems to be happening :) Hey, this got me thinking, maybe we should write a 'Song Prediction List' of potential song names that might be on Tori's next album. 1. The Flood (the first obvious choice: A story about Noah and Moses and how the Burning Bush is actually a fiery red-head.) 2. Snow on your Eyebrow (a new version of Winter and Cloud on your Tongue: a nice little ballad.) 3. Golden Mist (a song that gives hope to all) So can anyone tell me the common theme of these new songs? :) Okay, a bit too obvious... Couldn't resist, Scotty - -- _________/{______________________________________________ O)]/////////[ O >--- SQUARE USA: LA and Honolulu Studios ---`-----__ `"""""""""\{======================================================` RPG & Squaresoft Designer ** scotty@sqla.com ** sord@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 06:07:06 PST From: "Evon Hughes" Subject: Re: Cult Mom/ THANKS Richard I know what you're going through. My parents went crazy when I came home from Michigan with the "RECOVERING CHRISTIAN" t-shirt. My mom cried for days. Give her time, talk to her...assure her that you're not in a cult. (but don't lie to her :) She'll get over it sooner or later. ~evil~ >From owner-precious-things@smoe.org Thu Jan 29 18:32:01 1998 >Received: from localhost by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-listq-jane) > id VAA24458; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:12:56 -0500 >Received: by jane.smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:12:35 -0500 >Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-listq-jane) > id UAA24235; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:54:15 -0500 >Received: from hotmail.com (f71.hotmail.com [207.82.250.157]) > by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id UAA24230 > for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:54:06 -0500 >Received: (qmail 10084 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jan 1998 01:51:56 -0000 >Message-ID: <19980130015156.10083.qmail@hotmail.com> >Received: from 204.186.16.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:51:54 PST >X-Originating-IP: [204.186.16.48] >From: "Ray Bailey" >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Cult Mom/ THANKS Richard >Content-Type: text/plain >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:51:54 PST >Sender: owner-precious-things@smoe.org >Reply-To: "Ray Bailey" >X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-request@smoe.org" >X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. >Precedence: bulk > >>Man, am I bummed out. My mom got freaky with her religious stuff >>again. She banned me from playing Tori and all the other music I >>listen to in her house and she took down my posters of Tori and >other >artists and said I was lucky she didn't rip them down. She >"anointed" >my room, and I just don' think I can take this. The only >problem is, I >can't afford to move out. I can't afford an apartment >and my car and >insurance and school. If I move out I'll have to work >full time, and >quit school, and then I would be defeating the point! I >want to go to >school now! I want to get a degree, but my parents >refusal to accept me >back into their home the way I am is getting in >the way! I don't know >what to do. Oh, and the big thing was that my >mom looked up Tori on the >internet and now thinks I'm part of a cult! >She was like, "Those kids >worship her! Would you do anything if >she told you too?" They just >can't see the positive side of Tori and >her music. GRRRRRR! Sorry for >the personal post, but I had to get >it out. >>Jenn > >Whoa, your Mom annointed your room?? It kinda sounds like SHE might be >the one involved in the cult. Really, not to that radical degree, but I >have parents that are somewhat like that too. If they knew the lyrics >to 'God' or anything, they would forbid me to listen to her any more. >Heh, if they knew that was one of the songs I like best on UtP, they >really WOULD freak. > >Aside from that, though, I would like to thank Richard H. for posting >yet ANOTHER extremely helpful and wonderfully informative message. I >really needed the answer to that question myself, ever since it was >brought up last time here on the list. I really didn't want to ask it, >however, because mass chaos was already wreaking havoc with a lot of >people having a bunch of questions with no answers. > >Well... just a bit from me. > > >==Peace== >rAy > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:52:30 -0500 From: jlovoi@sps.edu (Space Dog) Subject: Orange BfP Promo I got mine at a small record store in Boston and paid $15. What are those pictures of the human-shape case? Was that Tori inside? I think I heard the story somewhere but forgot. Maybe someone can fill me in. As far as I know there was nothing else that came with it besides an invitation to a private concert in some cases. I believe the promo origionally came from the UK and the US recieved a lot of 'em so they go cheap these days. - --JOE ************************************************************** Alanis Underground www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6864 Listen, My Children www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/4845 Old Dads Club www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8220 "Years go by, will I still be waiting for somebody else to understand" --Tori Amos "Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for believers in live, love, faith, and purity." --I Timothy 4:12 ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:31:24 EST From: Tasha325@aol.com Subject: Re: Orange BfP Promo sounds good to me, as i said i just paid $20 for it. according to what was posted re: the book from "tori collectibles" mine seems to be legit...i was happy about that. the pictures are wonderful quality! i was just pondering the human shaped case last night...i hope if anyone knows, they will post! :) tasha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:34:15 -0600 (CST) From: lellis@umr.edu Subject: recovering christians > I know what you're going through. My parents went crazy when I came home > from Michigan with the "RECOVERING CHRISTIAN" t-shirt. My mom cried for > days. speaking of that recovering christians t-shirt, does anyone know where to get that? the last time i saw it, i didn't have enough money to buy one. now i have the money and can't find it! i even had kyle from here. looking for it and he couldn't even find one!!!! someone help me! i'll send money if someone can buy it for me! leah raisin girl, b.g. http://www.umr.edu/~lellis ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` KMNR 89.7fm radio business grrrl and dj "I have my own parties. They show: 430pm-8pm wednesdays involve being barefoot with a piece university of missouri rolla of fried chicken and a margarita in *geology* each hand." -Tori Amos ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:46:02 -0800 (PST) From: Shadowboxer-M Subject: Re: recovering christians On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 lellis@umr.edu wrote: > > speaking of that recovering christians t-shirt, does anyone know where to > get that? Hey, yeah! Me too! I haven't been able to find it anywhere!! Help! Peace, Love, and the Goddesses-- Mark ______________________________________________________________________________ | increase | |visi(bi)lity!| --------------- "I've been saying all along that I didn't want revenge, but maybe I did." -Fiona Apple "Joy--joy is quite an elusive one "Give me the first taste, isn't it? I think joy is something let it begin, heaven quite scarce. Joy is probably one cannot wait forever... of the scarcest resources start the chase, I'll let we have right now." you win, but you must make --Tori Amos the endeavour..." --Fiona Apple "When all young people would start listening to their own voice instead of saying what adults say or whatever MTV dictates, this would be a whole different planet." --Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:57:48 -0500 From: "Giovanni Mantilla" Subject: Etienne lyric Hey! A visitor to my site recently made me a suggestion or rather gave me her opinion about the lyrics to "Etienne" that we all know, in the second verse where she sings "Maybe you're the night, who saved my life", It could very well be "Maybe you're the KNIGHT, who saved my life", maybe I'm the only one with the mistake, but perhaps some of you have it in you webpages too, so I'd rather ask you, are there any "official" lyrics to YKTR? I assume that there are not, and I think the word "knight" fits in the context of that line more than "night". What do you think? Giovanni http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:26:48 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Re: Etienne lyric I've always thought it was "knight", which completely fits in context with the song, and time period to which she is referring. Just my very stong HO :-) Stephanie Giovanni Mantilla wrote: > Hey! > > A visitor to my site recently made me a suggestion or rather gave me > her > opinion about the lyrics to "Etienne" that we all know, in the second > verse > where she sings "Maybe you're the night, who saved my life", It could > very > well be "Maybe you're the KNIGHT, who saved my life", maybe I'm the > only one > with the mistake, but perhaps some of you have it in you webpages too, > so > I'd rather ask you, are there any "official" lyrics to YKTR? I assume > that > there are not, and I think the word "knight" fits in the context of > that > line more than "night". > > What do you think? > > Giovanni > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:40:14 -0600 From: meow Subject: Re: Etienne lyric >I'd rather ask you, are there any "official" lyrics to YKTR? actually, yeah, there are lyrics printed in the cd booklet. and the lyrics in question actually are "maybe you're the knight/ who saved my life". ana what did i know about waters rushing back what did i know about drowning or being drowned [ http://www.overlap.org/ ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:36:30 -0500 From: geministar@webtv.net Subject: Re: "Etienne" lyric The "Bee Sides" piano book has the lyric in question as: "maybe you're the knight who saved my life . . ." This one seems to make the most sense, and it's the one I've always associated with the song. It's my favorite! :-) "maybe I'm a witch, lost in time . . ." Hear the west wind whisper my name @: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/westwind ~geministar* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:05:27 PST From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Re: Tori's Grandfather >Frog On My Toe was written for her Poppy, >her grandfather on her mother's side. So, she called ger grandfather on her mother's side Poppy? Does that mean in Yes Anastasia when she's singing "Poppy don't go" could she be talking about his death there? ~Hanna ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:12:57 EST From: Tasha325@aol.com Subject: Re: Icicle...I *finally* figured it out! okay here you go... I'm not ashamed to own my Lord, Nor to defend His cause; Maintain the honors of His word, The glory of His cross. Firm as His throne His promise stands, And He can well secure What I've committed to His hands, Till the decisive hour. Then will He own my worthless name Before His Father's face, And in the new Jerusalem Appoint for me a place. tasha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:17:20 -0600 From: jjacobsen@huntingdon.edu (Jennifer Jacobsen) Subject: tori song Does anyone know what the song is that Tori sings on one of the live bootlegs where she says "Can't stop, can't stop...This little boy says....to take me out on a magick swinging scary thing and it's not called boys and it's not called babies and it's not called upsy-daisy made a mistaky....." ??? - -- “Waking up in the morning and being me...is not a sin. It’s not even uncomfertable.” --The Groom in “The Brides” ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:41:15 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Re: Tori's Grandfather No, Tori has mentioned in an Interview at the T.O.R.I. site that Poppy in Yes Anastasia is "the little girl from SATY". I don't hear poppy in Frog on My Toes anyway, it sounds like Popa to me.... Tripp > So, she called ger grandfather on her mother's side Poppy? Does that > mean in Yes Anastasia when she's singing "Poppy don't go" could she be > talking about his death there? > > ~Hanna > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:43:16 +0000 From: "Katherine A. Dunseath" Subject: Bootlegs for sale. If anyone is interested in buying copies of any Tori or Nine Inch Nails bootlegs or the origionals I have, please contact me. My bootleg page has my complete list and it may be short, but it gets right to the point. Feel free to ask any questions you may have. Don't forget to mail me off-list, do not "just hit reply." KAD1@Erols.com Thanks, Katherine To check out a cool web page, go to: http://Members.tripod.com/~kikiward/index.html - ------------------------------------------------- "I'm a musician first, a food-lover second, a dirty mouth with feet, and a girl last time I checked..." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:23:34 -0800 From: Adam Mullet Subject: Honey we're recovering Christians.... I'm interested to know who else's parents objected to the "Recovering Christian" T-shirts. I know mine did. And why do we choose to wear these religious statements around Mom and Dad when we know it upsets them? Is it for attention, or just plain defiance? Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:13:53 -0500 From: ButterFliKip Subject: Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... I think those people that have such a big problem about another persons beliefs are those that are not comfortable with their own. I know that I sometimes take offense to things, but when I look deeper into it, it has more to do with my own insecurity than anything else. just my 2 cents.. namaste, kip* - -- "I found the secret to life and I'm okay when everythign is not okay" -Tori Amos - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The International Page of Stupid Things... like Kip and Jenifa Http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/3053/main.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:19:13 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... Adam Mullet wrote: > > I'm interested to know who else's parents objected to the "Recovering > Christian" T-shirts. I know mine did. And why do we choose to wear > these religious statements around Mom and Dad when we know it upsets > them? Is it for attention, or just plain defiance? Or fact... Chrisitanity has hurt many people, myself included, in the past--Just as Tori sings about witch trials, chasing nuns, and having enough guilt to start my own religion. I think that some people with strong religious beliefs will Crucify this shirt. My mother did. When I have worn my shirt, I have had some people think I was a strong Christian and was recovering through Christianity. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:26:32 EST From: JEDAS1@aol.com Subject: Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... In a message dated 2/4/98 9:13:52 PM, adamwm@adnc.com wrote: <> I don't have this shirt, but if my parents saw it, they wouldn't say anything. They might ask me what it means, but they would never object me to wearing it. That's because my parents are not very religious. It's odd, but they're just not. julie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 03:21:31 +0000 From: Jon & Janet Haverman Subject: what constitutes a collectible >Subject: Is this collectible? > >OK, all you with the collectible book, can you look this up for me? I >picked up a promo CD for $5 at a used record shop about a year ago because >it had a studio version of "A Case of You" by Tori. It's called Spew You >and has 17 seperate artists on it. The Collectible book does not place value amounts on items. It will mention if an item is released in limited quantities, and may state if its a rarity. Country of origin can sometimes be very important. Promo cd's vary. The Precious Things promo cd is prbably most sought after. Rebutle? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:44:25 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... ButterFliKip wrote: > > I think those people that have such a big problem about another persons > beliefs are those that are not comfortable with their own. I know that > I sometimes take offense to things, but when I look deeper into it, it > has more to do with my own insecurity than anything else. I agree this can be the case, but not always because beliefs do not need to be founded in reality, but rather, are taken on faith. Rules of reality need not apply. :) It is my belief that many beliefs are turning into superstitions and mythologies as humanity continually discovers more of the 'known' of the 'unknown' universe. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:15:29 EST From: ThGoldnAge@aol.com Subject: Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... am i the only person lucky enough to have parents that don't censor what i wear? with the exception of thanksgiving and the psychochristian relatives come over.... speaking of the recovering christian t-shirt, where the heck is mine??? i just realized that i have no idea where it is. probably just buried under a big pile clothes. i need a dresser, bad. anyway, hopefully it will turn up. if not, then i have every excuse to go psycho and kill everyone in this house, right? that's what i thought. later, Jake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:11:21 -0500 From: woj Subject: Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... also sprach ThGoldnAge@aol.com: >am i the only person lucky enough to have parents that don't censor what i >wear? well, not counting those of us who don't have parents at home... woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:20:58 -0800 From: Shirlgirl Subject: Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... My parents never cared about the lyrical content of the music I listened to, but my mom did think that Tori sounded like a ghost, scarry, etc so she didn't like lisening to Tori in the car. We'd have conflicts over that - -- Shirley Ye University of California, Berkeley http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/3305 "I've been told when I get older That I'll understand it all, But I'm not sure if I want to." -Kate Bush, In Search of Peter Pan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:33:20 EST From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Re: Honey we're recovering Christians.... In a message dated 98-02-04 21:09:04 EST, adamwm@adnc.com writes: << And why do we choose to wear these religious statements around Mom and Dad when we know it upsets them? Is it for attention, or just plain defiance?>> i don't have the specific shirt, but i've done that sort of thing. it used to be a bit of attention and defiance like you said, but then when i really looked at it, it's strange, i felt like i was making up for being gutless. i mean, i had always denied myself before because even if i stood up for myself, i would be stomped down even harder, so i learned to tune myself out. and now, i'm sort of doing a counter-phobic thing...i'm just lashing out as hard as i can for myself because i'm afraid that if i don't i'll lose myself. ah, you've fallen asleep wondering why the hell this is not ending. eileen ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #45 ************************************