From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #42 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, February 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- China O'Brian [Adam Mullet ] Re: China O'Brian [Richard Handal ] tori's name [FionaTori@aol.com] apologies [bugsquisher@juno.com (Bug Q Squisher)] my Great Expectations review ["Giovanni Mantilla" ] Re: tori's name ["Mike Gray" ] Silent Concerts?!???????!!!!!!!!!!! [Beth Coulter ] Mail problems. ["Mike Gray" ] fronteras ["GAYLE K HIGGINBOTTOM" ] noise in general [] ADMIN: How to unsubscribe from precious-things [Michael Curry ] tori baby [Rachel Roth ] Piggy: The NIN/Tori/Radiohead Triangle [Tripp Gwyn ] Re: The orange "Boys For Pele" promo book.. [A Faerie ] my not so humble opinion [rain ] Great Expectations [Charlie Poole ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 01:21:08 -0800 From: Adam Mullet Subject: China O'Brian Sorry if this was clarified earlier, but is the film that has the Tori song "China O'Brian I or II?" Thanks, Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 04:50:56 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: China O'Brian Adam asked: > Sorry if this was clarified earlier, but is the film that has the Tori > song [in] "China O'Brian I or II?" It is *not* China O'Brien II. It is just titled China O'Brien. (There is no China O'Brien I.) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:16:31 EST From: FionaTori@aol.com Subject: tori's name I just found our recently that Tori's Dad called her Tori Ellen. meg << Hi, I feel like a really unfaithful fan! Now, guys don't e-mail me back with a bunch of hate mail to me about what I'm going to say, don't get me wrong, I love Tori! Just a few minutes ago I just found out what Tori's real name was, and when and where she was born. I have looked all over the internet to try to find that info but I had never found it, until now. So please don't give me a lot of hate mail. An always faithful Tori fan, Maggie >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:38:32 -0500 From: bugsquisher@juno.com (Bug Q Squisher) Subject: apologies this is a general message to all the people fighting on this list: do you know how boring it is to read a mailing list just full of apologies for past offenses possibly made to other people? you guys, we shouldn't have to worry about receiving hate mail from people on the list, we are all supposed to be FRIENDLY! we all share a common bond, so just try to respect everyone's opinions and move on! and if you get some angry mail, don't respond to it! simple as that! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:57:58 -0500 From: "Giovanni Mantilla" Subject: my Great Expectations review Hey there! I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm finally back, I hope you = still remember me! I finally got a new computer and can connect to the = internet again! It's great to be back... ok now, about Tori, I got the = Great Expectations soundtrack the very same week of release (which is = weird considering that at my record store they usually take about a = month to get the new releases, here in Colombia), and I should speak up = my thoughts on it, so here it goes: - ---------- Well, let's review it track by track: * Finn (Intro): I like it, it has a dreamy, new-agey kinda feeling to = it, it's good, but could have very well done without it. * Siren: Great song! Different from what Tori has done, but it does = work. Something about the way Tori sings gives me the feeling of panic = inside... great job here! When I let a friend of mine hear it, he = said:"whoah, this songs sounds like something that if released on a = single and promoted with a video could become a big hit!" . I found this = comment intriguing. My favorite song in the whole record. * Life In Mono (Mono): excellent track, dreamy, passionate and haunting, = a pleasant surprise. Definite highlight. * Sunshower (Chris Cornell): once again, another pleasant surprise. = I've always liked Soundgarden, but never got it them... this is a nice = track, Chris Cornell does a good job. * Resignation (Reef): this track is somehow annoying, the "singer" of = Reef doesn't really sing but shouts the lyrics. * Like A Friend (Pulp): good song, the first part is dowright boring, = but the end really rocks. Good one, but I expected something much better = from Pulp. * Wishful Thinking (Dunkan Sheik): VERY good song. The initial "spooky" = guitar really adds something to it, great, great, great. I remember = liking Sheik's "Barely Breathing", and being dissapointed at "She Runs = Away", but this one is really good. * Today (Poe): this is a good song, it has a really catchy chorus, but = this is one of those songs which you can get tired of very soon.=20 * Lady, Your Roof Brings Me Down (Scott Weiland): again, another = pleasant surprise, Scott does a great job here, he tried something = different from his work with the Stone Temple Pilots, and it works very = well. * Her Ornament (The Verve Pipe): another surprise, this a nice song, the = first track by The Verve Pipe that I like. * Walk This Earth Alone (Lauren Christy): Another highlight. Very good = track, this is the first piece of work by Lauren Christy I've heard, and = I must say it's very impressive. * Breakable (Fisher): Yet another highlight. Breathtaking ballad. Some = of the initial lyrics are a little too simple, but still, it's a very = good, almost excellent song. * Sucess (Iggy Pop): I don't really like this song, for me, it's the = lowest point in the soundtrack. * Slave (David Garza): good track, it's not a big deal, but it's still a = nice song to listen to. * Uncle John's Band (The Grateful Dead): this is a very good-- and funny = song. Very nice. * Besame Mucho (Cesaria Evora): this is a classic spanish song. = Excellent too. That's it. Out of 10 Stars, I would give the soundtrack 9; or A-. =20 - -------------- I hope that wasn't too long. Talk to you later, Giovanni Mantilla ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 11:32:01 EST From: "Saige the Faerie Princess" Subject: Re: tori's name Tori's dad didn't call her "Tori Ellen". I know that at one of her shows (i have a recording of it) she said that her dad called her that, but that was only to cover up that her real name is Myra. He called her Myra Ellen, or just Ellen, because her real name is Myra Ellen Amos. I'm sorry to all of the people that this is becoming annoying to (it's annoying me). maybe some of you people who just learned this should go read one of the biographies. there are many out there, but i recommend "All These Years vol. II". love much, Stacie "by flesh and blood I am HUMAN... by spirit and mind I am FAERIE." --me >I just found our recently that Tori's Dad called her Tori Ellen. > >meg > > ><< Hi, > I feel like a really unfaithful fan! Now, guys don't e-mail me back with > a bunch of hate mail to me about what I'm going to say, don't get me > wrong, I love Tori! > Just a few minutes ago I just found out what Tori's real name was, and > when and where she was born. I have looked all over the internet to try > to find that info but I had never found it, until now. > So please don't give me a lot of hate mail. > An always faithful Tori fan, > Maggie >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:23:39 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Re: tori's name Hi.. >I just found our recently that Tori's Dad called her Tori Ellen. Erm... listening to the Past The Mission UK CD Single / US Promo version of "Icicle (live)" where she is telling a story involving her Dad, she says (impersonating her father)... "Now... Now... Now.... Myra.. Myra Ellen"... perhaps at that point she wasn't known as Tori at all, though? On a completely unrelated topic, I bought the Tom Jones featuring Tori Amos CD Single yesterday... and all I can say is "Yuck!"... I just can't get into it, or work out why Tori agreed to sing on it! Cheers Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 12:21:16 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Silent Concerts?!???????!!!!!!!!!!! Laura said: >Basically, I just get this sence of hostility towards all >screamers. Catcallers, and overall rude ppl should be put in thier >place, but please don't get medieval on those who are trying to get the >WHOLE Tori experience, of her, the fans, and the excitement. I've said this once before *my little claim to fame, I call it*, but it was not clear by a long shot. The best example I have is what *I* did at the RAINN concert. All those with the SATY single with the live cut from that concert, listen to that cut. Before (Right Before) Tori starts singing, you can hear a sharp whistle. It sounds like a *whistle* as opposed to someone *whistling*. That is me, the obnoxious lady with the slim silver whistle (with a beautiful story behind it). I blew it a couple of times, but took a moment to warn those about me so they could plug their ears (no sense making good Toriphiles deaf at a concert). The big point is, I showed my intense excitement in what could be consider an obnoxious way, but only during between songs and the little intro beginning the *important* girls. During Tori's singing I was 1) mouthing the words as she sang them, and 2) was in breathless silence the entire time she was singing. This is the entire difference between an attentive audience and an obnoxious one. If I'd blown that whistle while she was singing it would have been either shoved down my throat or up my rear. Same goes for voices. Tori wants a responce, just not while she is putting her heart and soul on the line for our enjoyment. Scream and yell and whistle in appriciation. Just make sure everyone hears what you are appriciating. Hope this makes some sense. Fairy Blessings, Beth ******************************************************************** "We are all in the gutter, But some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:30:22 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Mail problems. Hi everyone. I'm having serious mail problems. If anyone has mailed me in the last 2-3 days and hasn't received a reply (or has ever mailed me and not received a reply) please re-send the message and I'll get back to you within 24 hours. Promise. This applies especially to those who I'm arranging trades with. I'm very confused about the entire situation at the moment. Also I'd like someone to mail me and let me know if the apology I posted to the list last night got through? And also if anyone answered my query about the BfP Orange book. Thanks. Mike Mike Gray - mike@whitley56.force9.co.uk http://www.whitley56.force9.co.uk/index.html ^ Now including Celine Dion, Peach, Gloria Estefan, Erasure, Tori Amos... *Valentine's Day edition of my homepages now online!* "I will not judge you by the way you play your instrument" - Lisa Loeb ICQ : 6200976 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:32:12 -0600 From: "GAYLE K HIGGINBOTTOM" Subject: fronteras My parent forbid me to look at Tori stuff on the internet, but that doesn't stop me. So, Ha. Shiseido Red - - I smell her fear the part she keeps hidden under her bra ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:19:47 CST From: Subject: noise in general All of us are sensible humans, and I think all of us can distinguish between a noise made that is sincere and heartfelt and taken as so, and one that is made for other reasons...recognition and what have you. Tori knows the difference, too. I am also a conniseur of various punk music, and that genre is made to relieve stress by noise and body movements etc. Tori is a different side of that... I must admit, however, that at my first and only visit to see miss amos so far in my young life I had a sort of out-of-body experience that is quite hard to explain. I couldn't really tell you what songs she sang that night, or in what order, or what she said or much of anything that went on. I was in a strange dream state, hunched over with my hands cupped to my ears in the nosebleed section, singing along with all of her songs quietly and meditatively. My friends thought I had lost it. Perhaps I had. But I know that I experienced her music in the way it should be experienced, with the soul and not the brain cells. My little soul channel was at full capacity, taking it all in, subconsciously feeding. My brain had no clue. afterwards, after i waited two hours to meet her, I was so ecstatic I got lost in St. Louis and drove around aimlessly for an hour. I didn't really care. I had been fed. The little bits of light were falling out of my car and onto the streets. That weekend was worth my graduation money, and I wouldn't have spent it on anything else, because a stereo or a lampshade doesn't do shit for your subconscious health. kerriloo^ "thanks for your interest, but my thing is already just the right size..." -miss ani d.- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:43:35 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: How to unsubscribe from precious-things Hi all, Just a reminder for those who are having problems with this. How to unsubscribe from precious-things: Address your email to majordomo@smoe.org, with no subject and a body of: unsubscribe precious-things (for the loose version) OR unsubscribe precious-things-digest (for the digest version) Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:00:29 EST From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Live CD this is from the Boston Globe, 6-10-94: << A final Amos note: When she played at Harvard's Sanders Theatre last winter, she taped the show for a live CD now available only overseas. "It came out in the UK recently -- and most of the songs were from that Sanders show," she says. "I had a great time and the sound as really good there." >> Does anyone know about this CD and its availability? I don't recall seeing it in the Collectibles book... j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:01:42 EST From: FionaTori@aol.com Subject: tori baby I was told by a reliable source that Tori tried to have a baby last year. << During the promo tour for UtP (I suppose in 1994), Tori did a long interview and some live songs on BBC Radio 1. (In fact, it was the first time I heard her speak). Anyway, she discussed at some length about how she wanted and hoped for a child within the next 12 months. I found it really sad that that never panned out the way she'd hoped. I would say it's something Tori has wanted ever since, and you're right... the time is certainly ripe for it. I truly hope it works out however she wants. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 16:44:35 PST From: "Capriccio 191" Subject: Thanks from Jenn Hi everyone, I want to thank everyone for their notes and support on the list. Some of you asked me to reply to you and I will. I have been at a friend's house this weekend and have not been able to check my email. I have taken steps toward making things okay again, and had a talk with my mom. I agreed not to play the music in the house, but I would keep my CD's in the closet in a box, only for car listening, but at least I still get my Tori. As I see it, my parents will never be able to accept me for who I am. Their main concern is that I am going straight to hell and corrupting my little brothers on the way. It's a fact of life, but it is only temporary that I am subjected to this on a daily basis. Once, again thanks, and I will write to those of you who asked very soon. Jenn (who is going to study for mid-terms now) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 18:39:30 -0600 From: Rachel Roth Subject: tori baby Fiona Tori wrote: I was told by a reliable source that Tori tried to have a baby last year. I had also heard from a reliable source that Tori was pregnant in between UTP and BFP and unfortunately miscarried the baby. I had the impression that Talula, for one, was about her pregnancy and whether or not she was going to keep the baby... Has anyone else heard about this? Rachel "Maybe I aint used to Maybes smashing in a cold room" -tori amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 20:09:28 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Piggy: The NIN/Tori/Radiohead Triangle Okay, we all know Tori has claimed her love for NIN and Radiohead. (I know you remember the NIN thing, but in an interview I found at the DENT a few months ago Tori mentioned listening to Radiohead, and there are rumors one of their guitarists is, or was going to be on the new Tori album) I always assumed the PIGGY she spoke of in Cooling (and PIGGY got a message) was from March of the Pigs by NIN, or something else related to NIN. After buying the Radiohead CD OK COMPUTER a few months ago and reading through the lyrics there is a line in Paranoid Android that goes "kicking screaming..gucci little PIGGY". Coincidence MAYBE but It would have to be a huge coincidence. Sorry if you guys take offense to such a boring comment, but I had to share. Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 19:34:49 -0600 From: A Faerie Subject: Re: The orange "Boys For Pele" promo book.. mike@whitley56.force9.co.uk said: <> As far as i knew/know it, no cd was supposed to come with this book. and just to be positive i looked it up in the Tori Amos Collectibles book and it says this about the book: Its listed under the Promotional Items for Boys for Pele: "East West UK issued a limited 35-page 5"x6" colour and black and white photo book that inclued a total of 50 photos, the majority of which are out-takes or previously unseen shots. There are no credits or text but most of it, if not all, the shots are from Cindy Palmano. The book has a bright orange cover with 'Tori Amos' in the upper left hand corner. The book itself comes in a slip case, also bright orange and also with Tori's name in the same spot. These were extremely scarce when the album first came out and seemed to get easier to procure as time when on. Some did make their way to the US where Atlantic distributed them as promotional items." - -Danica - -- http://faeriegirl.com - Tori Amos: A Realm of Mp3's ....The moon has nothing to be sad about http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/5612/glittermain.html All That Glitters....Is Sour (yes that be a homepage) For I am gone to the fairy people.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:20:00 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: So confused Hiyas all I am so confused! It's all about this name thing. I have the authorized bio and in there it says that she got the name Tori from a guy she met when she was still doing the lounge thing. on page 25 the very last chapter it says one night one of her girlfriends, Linda McBride, came to hear her play and brought with her "some guy she was dating, she only saw him for a week, I can't even remember his name....and so he just looks at me out of the blue, I've never met this guy before and he goes "Tori, You're name's Tori,'and I'm like,'yeah, you're right.' And then we never saw him again. I found out very soon that Tori was a kind of pine tree and so I adopted the name" OK, my question is, am I reading this wrong? Did it really happen this way? any help is appreciated Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:23:53 EST From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Re: tori baby In a message dated 98-02-01 20:17:08 EST, rjroth2@students.wisc.edu writes: << I had also heard from a reliable source that Tori was pregnant in between UTP and BFP and unfortunately miscarried the baby. >> Could the line in Caught a Light Sneeze, "The spire is hot and my cells can't feed...", does anyone else besides me think that could be about Tori's failed pregnancy? Eileen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:42:08 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Re: So confused Hi Lissa, I just *love* naughty emps. ;-) On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 NaughtyEmp@aol.com wrote: > I am so confused! It's all about this name thing. I have the authorized > bio and in there it says that she got the name Tori from a guy she met when > she was still doing the lounge thing. on page 25 the very last chapter it > says [snip] > OK, my question is, am I reading this wrong? Did it really happen this > way? > any help is appreciated You're NOT reading it wrong. That is the way Tori got her name. Tori is also the plural form of the word "torus." TORUS 1 : a large molding of convex profile commonly occurring as the lowest molding in the base of a column 2 : the thickening of a membrane closing a wood-cell pit (as of gymnosperm tracheids) having the secondary cell wall arched over the pit cavity 3 : a doughnut-shaped surface generated by a circle rotated about an axis in its plane that does not intersect the circle; broadly : TOROID 4 : a smooth rounded anatomical protuberance (as a bony ridge on the skull) I think it's an interesting phenomena of the "net" that one person posts something as "gospel" and then everyone else repeats it as as absolute "truth." The larger Tori's fan base grows the more this happens. Maybe it's not something that happens only on the net; maybe it's just a facet of human nature. In Tori, Charlie - -- +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 20:55:21 -0800 From: rain Subject: my not so humble opinion well just to warn you guys i went to see "great expectations" the day it came out and uugghhhh it was awful. terrible acting. butchered the origonal novel (which was wonderful)....waste of money. the only cool part was the siren/finn parts...i think i annoyed the whole theatre with my singing along :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Great Expectations Hi EWFs, This afternoon I went to see Great Expectations. In all I thought it was a very good movie. Beautifully photographed with some very interesting and unusual composition, sometimes visually stunning, it's artistically an accomplished movie. The unusual settings with their vivid contrasts make this a film I want to view again, if only, to see what I missed the first time around. For those not knowing the plot, it's just another story of thwarted love with some very intersting twists. It's tender without being cheap (the kiss at the fountain is precious) and sentimental without being maudlin. The art works (by Francesco Clemente) are expressive and haunting; the perfect foil for the story of a kid who loves to draw. The pomposity and puffery of the New York art scene is exploited to perfection. Those of you with knowledge of recent art history will chuckle at some of the "in" lines. Artists will identify with many of the characters and images. It contains something for everyone; romantic and cynic alike. Even the credits complement the film and continue the artistic imagery of the storyline, adding to the feeling that the story continues. Ethan Hawke plays a great Finn; naive innocent to city street smart to lover, he plays all the parts with skill and occasional panache. "She did know me ... and I knew her ... I always had, from the first instant ... it was as if it had never been ... there was just my memory of it." Estella, radiant, seductive, cold, vicious and lovely as only Gwyneth Paltrow could play her. "Let's say there was a little girl, and from the time she was 10, she was taught to fear daylight, she was taught that it was her enemy, that it would hurt her -- and then one sunny day, you ask her to go outside, and she won't -- you can't be angry at her, can you?" Anne Bancroft is the wonderfully crazy 72 year old Ms. Dinsmoor, jilted by her fiance 30 years ago and still nursing her pain (like a piglet at breast). Lustig (Robert DeNiro) is pure evil, and pure love as well. Uncle Joe's (Chris Cooper), a sad, lonely, lovely man and Walter (Hank Azaria) is just sad. On this list I don't think I need comment on the soundtrack except to say that the songs are masterfully interwoven with the scenes. And, of course, Tori's voice is a perfect counterpoint to the mood of the film. If you aren't planning on seeing the movie, please reconsider. You just might be missing a very enjoyable experience. See it with someone you love or someone you want to love. "How do you smoke a swordfish? Put the bill in your mouth and light the tail." In Tori, Charlie - -- +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #42 ************************************