From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #35 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Silent all these years...a different perspective ["Dave and Melissa" ] Good seats? [Shirl ] Re: Good seats? [boingoingy boinky boingy ] Re: Good seats? [Nadyne Mielke ] Jewel's van living [Jennifer Cypres ] verbal abuse [aliciau@ibm.net] Re: froperty? froppity? [WeirdyBoi ] Re: King Henry [Kim Davis ] Soundtrack sighting . . . [geministar@webtv.net] TOUR [Seraephina ] Music [Stephanie Handley ] a VERY confused Toriphile ["Saige the Faerie Princess" ] Re: a VERY confused Toriphile [JupiterCMS ] Re: Good seats? [Michael Curry ] Maynard and Tori [NaughtyEmp ] GE score [Michael Bowman ] readers digest version [Don Skinner ] Re: GE score [Shirl ] Re: Good seats? [Tasha325 ] Re: GE score [Rachel Roth ] Yeah, I'm new ["Jack Alberson" ] Tori Tree ["Dave and Melissa" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:25:08 -0500 From: "Dave and Melissa" Subject: Silent all these years...a different perspective Hi again! In response to "silent all these years" and all the theorys, they all are interesting, and thought provoking. With that in mind, I thought that maybe I'd share a fact, that seems to have been over looked. Tori was never actually raped, she was sexually harrased ( I know this is bad enough ) Tori was quoted as saying she was "nearly raped" and of course being our strong, violent, and delicious heroine....she fought back and got away. Unfortunately the emotional scars last far longer then any physical injury ever could, thus being where her inspiration for supporting RAINN, and serenading us with the haunting "me and a gun" came from. She truly is a brave brilliant, and strong women! A fellow Toriphile, Melissa~H (myssa) **************************************************************************** ******** " I believe in rainbows and all of that, but there are darker colors, the rainbow contains every color and it's the shade that defines the light" ~~~TORI AMOS **************************************************************************** ******** - ---------- > From: precious-things@smoe.org > To: Myssa > Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #33 > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:53 AM > > > > precious-things-digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 033 > > > > Today's Subjects: > ----------------- > Tori being too Noticed! [Torifile ] > Re: Who is Tori Amos anyways ? [ChinaDust ] > National Anthem [Adam Mullet ] > Re: Cornflake Girl [Ruthless ] > Tori in the UK [Brian the Lion ] > Re: Tori and Disney [Superwax2@aol.com] > Re: song interpretations [Serra Angel ] > Re: Disney [Rachel Roth ] > [none] [zaina@juno.com (Lisa Zain)] > Re: SATY Theory [Tori805@aol.com] > Re: SATY Theory ["rosalind's pea soup" ] > Re: Cornflake Girl [Lil3rthqks ] > pictures [Cindergirl ] > Re: SATY Theory [Mikewhy ] > Re: Cornflake Girl [ChinaDust ] > Re: SATY Theory ["rosalind's pea soup" ] > King Henry [Beth Coulter ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:31:54 EST > From: Torifile > Subject: Tori being too Noticed! > > Whats all this shit about tori being too noiced? Do yall get off on saying > that she is not well known and it would be different if she were too popular? > I think a good dose of fame is just what Tori needs right now. I mean the > songs that are popular now are unbeleibabl. So when the new album gets out, i > hope the first or second or maybe even the third single sky rockets to number > 1! Wouldnt it be fun to be actually noticed? Instead of kinda "living in > hiding"? Well, thats just my opinion. > > Davey Petals of > the blood roses > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:35:28 EST > From: ChinaDust > Subject: Re: Who is Tori Amos anyways ? > > In a message dated 98-01-25 22:15:41 EST, JupiterCMS writes: > > << That is the problem..the average everyday person doesnt know who Tori > is...and this is just a fact that positively has to be stopped....so tell > everyone you know about Tori...shout it to the hills.... >> > > A few people have stated their opinions and got me thinking...y'know, it > really is a lot nicer with Tori being a really personal, underground thing. If > it got out in the open...posers, commercialization, impersonal masses, > TRAGEDY. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:17:56 -0800 > From: Adam Mullet > Subject: National Anthem > > While I agree that *hearing* Tori sing the anthem would be interesting > (what could Tori do that wouldn't be?), but I don't think it > would/should ever happen. Singing glory to a flag isn't what she's all > about. > > Going back to Jewel, I'm guessing that the reason she was chosen to sing > the anthem this year is because of the San Diego location. As SO many > people know, Jewel used to live in a van (she's TOTALLY milked this for > all it's worth) in San Diego. You have to admit, it is a perfect > example of the "American Dream" - from living in a van to singing for > millions of people, all in a matter of a few years...it's pretty amazing > when you think about it. > > Adam > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:04:24 GMT0BST > From: Ruthless > Subject: Re: Cornflake Girl > > Hi everybody, > > I noticed some people discussing the lyrics to Cornflake Girl. I > just wanted to say that Cornflake girl was written about Alice > Walker's book Possessing the Secret of Joy. > > The book, is a heart breaking story about Tashi's life after she had > been "circumcised". The pain endured not only during the actual > "procedure" (often conducted with a dirty knife, stiched up with > thorns and afterwards using spit to stop the bleeding) is > oftentimes less than the pain during the journey back to one's > self. As the recovery process afterwards includes the painful > experience of sex. Oftentimes, if a woman had been infibulated it > would require an opening up that could be done by a doctor but was > more often done at home either manually with a knife or through the > husband forcing penetration. Therefore, sex was often a painful > experience as was menstruation and urinating. Which can explain a > hesitation towards sex until the wound has been properly healed and > opened. > > Alice Walker and Pratiba Parmar did a documentary on female genital > mutilation entitled Warrior Marks which I highly recommend. Also, > there is a book by the same name that details the filming process and > both Pratiba and Alice's thoughts each step of the way. Be prepared > to cry, scream and dance with rage. > > The bottomline though is that they were heightening awareness to a > problem often overlooked- it's not my culture therefore not my > problem...Alice has a beautiful quote in response- violence is not > culture. > > Also, I think Tashi turns up again in blood roses in the line > chickens get a taste of my meat girl...Chickens are often feed the > parts taken from the woman but also before the procedure girls are > forced to watch chickens getting their heads cut off- the message is > simple, if you disobey this could be you. > > You should read the book the parts about Tashi and her re-occuring > nightmares about chickens is harrowing. > > On a happy note, I gave Alice a copy of Cornflake Girl. > > Take care, Ruth > > I am human therefore nothing human can be alien to me.- Maya Angelou > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:59:48 +0000 (GMT) > From: Brian the Lion > Subject: Tori in the UK > > Hmm... > > I got a bit flamed for saying Marilyn Manson were crap so i > guess i'll leave the good/bad thing to Tori. Just a couple > of points...... > > 1)I read that when Tori first talked to Neil Gaiman they were > listening to Ministry (please don't mail in about when > exactly she 1st met him 'cos it doesn't matter in this case) > so i figure she certainly has no problem with the style of > bands such as MM and Korn (though whether the attitudes align > is another thing) > > 2)Channel 4 (eg British TV) and HMV just ran a survey of the > top 100 albums of all time and "Little Earthquakes was 95th. > I know that doesn't sound as high as you and i would like but > when considering the sheer quantity of music made that > qualified for the pole (some albums were 30+ years old) it is > a fantastic acheivement. Thought y'all might like to know > 'cos i'm still on a buzz about it. > > B. > > Since sigs are getting popular i thought i'd choose one of my > favourites:- > > "I was one of the sheep too, once. But then the > wolves came and know i am an Eagle and fly in a different > universe" > > - ---------------------- > Brian the Lion > bos197@soton.ac.uk > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:16:48 EST > From: Superwax2@aol.com > Subject: Re: Tori and Disney > > hi again! > > you know, when i first read this question i thought that i really couldn't see > tori doing any disney songs, for some reason or another...but then, i realized > i only thought this because i overlooked the one great disney movie, mary > poppins. i, personally, think that tori could do a fabulous rendition of the > song (forgive me, i don't know the name) that mary poppins sings to the > children after they went into the chalk drawing about not being sleepy. > > Love, > Sam > > There is more to life than increasing its speed. > ~Mahatma Ghandi > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:09:11 -0600 (CST) > From: Serra Angel > Subject: Re: song interpretations > > > mistress, but that's just my way, and I think that also makes sence with > > what someone said how the song was about Eric Rosse, and then it also > > kind of goes along with Doughnut Song "You told me last night you were a > > sun now with your very own devoted satelite" meaning while he was with > > her he found some better and went with her, so the kind of go together, > > I guess... > > > Keeping in mind that Tori allows for different interpretations of > songs, I think her intentions in Doughnut Song are pretty > straightforward (as far as any Tori song goes.. heh) Doughnut Song was > always to me like a sequel to Blood Roses.. specifically about > clioradectomies (sp??) and Muslim women's issues, and more generally > about the way men and sex issues repress freedom for women (though > certainly women also work to confirm these problems in societies, hence > Cornflake Girl). Lines like "I've shaved every place where you've been, > boy" can mean (unpleasantly) the actual operation, or it can mean a > more general exposure, perhaps of thoselittle secrets these situations > force women to quell. Doughnut Song always seemed specifically about a > woman having to have sex with a man under such strenuous and painful > circumstances, at the same time being completely disrespected for it, > but having no freedom to have a voice and express how she feels. > Muhammad My Friend, I think, also deals with this in the "Muhammad my > friend, getting very scared, teach me how to love, my brothers who > don't know the law"If she is indeed talking about the Koran here, isn't > there a passage that says the brothers of a woman have the right to do > whatever necessary to the husband of their sister if they find out he > has done something to abuse her? I have an Egyptian friend and she was > telling me something like that.. of course with these sort of > operations commonplace, that would not be included under abuse, and I > think Tori's trying to point out it should be. > > Kahlan :) > "Hand me a trick, and a kick, and your message.. > You'll never gain weight from a doughnut hole." > :) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:46:59 -0600 > From: Rachel Roth > Subject: Re: Disney > > the person that forgot the name of the song where the kids got sleepy in > mary poppins...its "toppins" or something like that... > Tori would be really cool on that I agree... > > I also think she'd sound really cool on "kiss the girl " > > Rachel > > > > > > > > > "Maybe I aint used to Maybes smashing in a cold room" > -tori amos > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:41:54 EST > From: zaina@juno.com (Lisa Zain) > Subject: [none] > > um... hi guys, i'm new on this list, and the first post i got was about > tori doing that really sweet song from mary poppins. i can really see how > much depth she could bring to that song. the second post i got was about > doughnut song, and it's relations to the treatment of muslim women. about > the reference to the koran and about how brothers could do what they > thought necessary defending their sister. according to my best friend's > (a muslim) mom, a husband has all authority over his wife, and unless he > is doing something directly abusive, the family is not supposed to > interfere. if the wife asks for help, then they will give it, but > brothers have no right in the tractional islamic family to interfere with > a marriage. > thanks > Lisa > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:44:09 EST > From: Tori805@aol.com > Subject: Re: SATY Theory > > In a message dated 98-01-26 00:55:29 EST, you write: > > << i was just wondering...i always figured saty had something also to do with > rape or incest due to all of its use w/rainn. > which would make the abortion theme twice as likely. > so, i think that maybe the jeans have something to do with this, but i don't > know exactly how, >> > > I'm pretty sure that Tori's rape experience was at least the springboard for > this song. She didn't talk about it for a lot of years, then finally she did > in SATY. Hence, the title. But, I do think there are a lot of other things > all rolled up inside. I think it's about everything that she hadn't been > talking about for all those years, including the rape. > just my input... > - -Sue > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:34:48 CST > From: "rosalind's pea soup" > Subject: Re: SATY Theory > > Just so everyone isn't in the dark on this one...tori was verbally > threatened and physically assaulted, but she wasn't raped.(this was > discussed a few months back, but we've had a small explosion in > subscriptions since then) > I don't think this alteration matters so much in the scope of things, > however, because she obviously was terrorized by the occurrence, and > by her honesty and willingness to share her story she has helped so > many others who have been raped and/or terrorized. She took a > horrible piece of her life and split it wide open in order to help > people. That's up there with Mother Theresa. > > just my little bit of cents and a cigar. > > i'll go now kiddies. > > don't eat too many lucky charms or you'll turn into a green clover. > > i swear. > > > > "thanks for your interest, > but my thing is already > just the right size..." > -miss ani d.- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:42:17 EST > From: Lil3rthqks > Subject: Re: Cornflake Girl > > In a message dated 98-01-26 05:10:11 EST, Eichmiller@cardiff.ac.uk writes: > > << I noticed some people discussing the lyrics to Cornflake Girl. I > just wanted to say that Cornflake girl was written about Alice > Walker's book Possessing the Secret of Joy. >> > > i understand most of the song, except...what is the signifigance of the word > "cornflake" ? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:11:22 EST > From: Cindergirl > Subject: pictures > > Recently on my picture editing software, i made this album thing with pictures > of Tori. I used the ones out of the Boys For Pele piano book. then i took some > lyrics from each song and put them on the pictures and it turned out looking > really neat. so if anyone wants some pics of Tori for their computer email me > personally and i'll send it to you > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:52:31 -0500 > From: Mikewhy > Subject: Re: SATY Theory > > rosalind's pea soup posted: > > > <<< Continued to next message >>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:59:46 EST From: FionaTori Subject: Tori and Disney The song is called "Stay Awake" The other song someone must have been thinking of when they called it "tuppence" is "Feed the Birds." But i believe Sam was talking about "Stay Awake." After reading this post i had to go put on my marry poppins record! I love it! hee hee meg << poppins. i, personally, think that tori could do a fabulous rendition of the song (forgive me, i don't know the name) that mary poppins sings to the children after they went into the chalk drawing about not being sleepy. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:18:11 -0800 From: Shirl Subject: Good seats? I don't really know how the club circuit works, but in the light that Tori's going to begin touring soon I'd like to know - how do the people who get the good seats get the good seats? I don't want to be ripped off by some ticket broker agency, but it seems to me that just going to BASS or Ticket Master is hopeless. Thanks in advance :) - -- Shirley Ye University of California, Berkeley http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/3305 "I've been told when I get older That I'll understand it all, But I'm not sure if I want to." -Kate Bush, In Search of Peter Pan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:54:36 -0600 From: boingoingy boinky boingy Subject: Re: Good seats? At 09:18 AM 1/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >I don't really know how the club circuit works, but in the light that >Tori's going to begin touring soon I'd like to know - how do the people who >get the good seats get the good seats? I don't want to be ripped off by >some ticket broker agency, but it seems to me that just going to BASS or >Ticket Master is hopeless. > when i saw tori last i had row three seats and the way i got them was by going early to the department store and standing in line the old fashioned way. i didnt even go sooper early, just like an hour early. there werent a lot of people. ana : : : : you dont fight like i fight : http://www.overlap.org : : : : : ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:20:04 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Good seats? On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Shirl wrote: > I don't really know how the club circuit works, but in the light that > Tori's going to begin touring soon I'd like to know - how do the people who > get the good seats get the good seats? I don't want to be ripped off by > some ticket broker agency, but it seems to me that just going to BASS or > Ticket Master is hopeless. Well, I usually end up with the TicketMaster route, but I have a plan for doing it that way: I go to a nice out-of-the-way TicketMaster, where it's pretty safe to assume that there won't be that many there. For example, there's a grocery store close to my house that has a TicketMaster outlet. Who goes to the grocery store to buy tickets? Well, for a Sarah McLachlan concert, me and five other people. I got there at 0920, and was first in line. So scope out some TicketMasters. Don't even think about going to one that's close to a college campus. Also don't forget to check what other concerts might be going on sale the same day. If you don't get good tickets, watch your local newspaper. Sometimes you'll see ads in the classifieds that are trying to sell extra tickets 'cause someone bought too many. These folks aren't ticket brokers, they're probably just people who made an honest mistake. If you're on a college campus, watch for signs there. If you still don't have good tickets on the day of the show, go to the venue anyway. Go to the window there {ignore the scalpers for now} and see if any tickets have been released -- this happens -all the time-. I have a good friend who - -always- gets tenth row or better tickets by doing this very thing {he travels a lot, and if there's a show in the town where he's at, he goes to the venue and gets incredible seats alsmost invariably}. If they don't {highly unlikely}, wait until about 5 minutes -after- the show was supposed to start before asking the scalpers. {Tori never seems to start her shows on time anyway. ;) } After the start of the show time,they're looking to cut their losses and get rid of the tickets. I've purchased tenth row tickets from a scalper for $5 each because of this. I ended up missing most of the opening act, but I can't complain for $5! Oh, and one final thing: keep your eyes open on the various Tori forums. I got second row tickets to one of Tori's shows 'cause someone advertised them on rec.music.tori-amos. :) Folks will sometimes post to public forums to sell them. And my second row tickets were -well- worth it. :) /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:43:37 -0500 From: Jennifer Cypres Subject: Jewel's van living [snip, snip] >>>>>As SO many people know, Jewel used to live in a van (she's TOTALLY milked this for all it's worth)>>>>> A lot of people think that she's "totaly milked this for all it's worth", I'm sure, but I think she mentioned it just a couple of times, and the media now just labels her that... you know, just like Tori's some big whiny lesbian man-hater (which you know is totally not true, but the media likes labels). I don't mean to start a Jewel debate. I'd rather talk about Tori. But this had to be said. Jewel's not really manipulatively marketing herself. Jewel's just grateful she's making money now. So onto bigger and brighter Tori conversation.... - -jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:37:56 GMT From: aliciau@ibm.net Subject: verbal abuse Hi, Beth Coulter wrote: >It doesn't >matter whether someone is touched inappropriately (like a child by an >adult) or put through years of unending abuse--the emotional damage is >still there. The same goes for verbal abuse, the sort Tori endured from >her grandparents. I'm sorry, and very lost. Tori was verbally abused by her grandparents?? I had no idea. Does anybody know which grandparents, when, etc? Thanks, Alicia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:23:24 EST From: WeirdyBoi Subject: Re: froperty? froppity? In a message dated 98-01-27 04:16:54 EST, spaceness@worldnet.att.net writes: << Hi. I was checking out the lyrics for Hungarian Wedding Song on a few different pages and I'm confused about the last word in the song. Some of the pages say froperty, some say froppity and some give even other suggestions. Does anybody know what this word is and what it means? >> Hi... the word is actually "froperty" and it "could mean many things," according to Tori. I asked her in Roanoke on Oct, 11, 1996 what the word meant and that's what she said. She also said that she made the word up because it sounded good in the song and she liked it. So, basically, it's just a nonsense word. j'ason http://members.aol.com/WeirdyBoi/Toriphoria.html Toriphoria & The Philosophy of Tori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:20:15 -0500 From: Kim Davis Subject: Re: King Henry >Actually, It was one of the three Annes he married who gave birth to >Elizabeth the First. King Henry XIII tended to marry those he wanted to >bed. In fact, he created the Church of England in order to get a divorce >from one of his wives (the lucky one). I heard Tori go on about him and >Anne Bolyn(sp?) in an interview from '94, also she was fasinated by Mary, >Queen of Scots, who was either Elizabeths cousin or little Sister. >Fairy Blessings, >Beth In case anyone wanted to know Henry VII had two children, Henry VIII and Margaret Tudor. Margaret married James IV of Scotland who has James V who was Mary's father. Henry VIII was Elizabeth's father so that would make Mary and Elizabeth cousins and Mary would have been in line for the English throne had something happened to Elizabeth. Some folks hide, and some folks seek, and seeking, when it's mindless, neurotic, desperate, or pusillanimous can be a form of hiding. But there are folks who want to know and aren't afraid to look and won't turn tail should they find it--and if they never do, they have a good time anyway because nothing, neither the terrible truth nor the absence of it , is going to cheat them out of one honest breath of earth's sweet gas. Tom Robbins - _Still Life with Woodpecker_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:28:30 -0500 From: geministar@webtv.net Subject: Soundtrack sighting . . . Greetings! I just wanted to post one to any EWF who are having trouble finding the GE soundtrack. I bought mine today at "Record Town", which I know is a big chain mainly in malls throughout the North East, and elsewhere (?) Anyway, I asked the girl if it was exclusive to that store, and she said that as far as she new, they were mass-ordering the soundtrack at other stores as well (she was a Tori fan too, as she had BfP playing in the background. It was funny - when it got to "PW", whe let it play until the first "star fucker . . ." line, then she changed it! I got a giggle out of that one!) So happy searching, all, and good luck! :) ~geministar* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:09:55 EST From: Seraephina Subject: TOUR hello, i have been getting so many posts in my mail that i have to delete a lot of them...so, #1 are there any confirmed dates for the club tour? #2 if so, does anyone know where and when the tickets are available? thanks lots and lots and lots, emi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:43:14 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Music On Sun Jan 25 ChinaDust wrote: yeah. our society and education system puts MUCH more emphasis on the linguistic/analytical, while even going as far as to DISCOURAGE the artistic/human. and it's kind of sad, because if you don't save yourself in time, you turn into one of those dried-up, one-sided intellectuals. i mean, you know those "musical" prodigies who can play the piano with computer-like accuracy, but not feel any emotion? that's what tori was getting to a few times when she talked about the peabody conservatory. I've always felt somewhat "less" a pianist (and I don't really like that word, but piano player doesn't sound right either!) because I never really studied theory as much as I should have, I always seemed to add my own stuff to the classical pieces I was playing (kinda sounded better my way, I thought) and I just didn't really take lessons the way other people usually did. I was lucky enough to find an instructor when I was about 12 that let me just bring in the music to whatever piece I was really into at the time. I never really worked hard with a metronome etc. But I always -loved- what I was playing. Unfortunately, I also chose very difficult pieces, too, such as Sonata #17 in D minor--the third movement(!!). Anyway, this has all come to make me believe that I suck. But another part of me knows that I do play with a lot of emotion, and that sometimes that's better. After many years away, I saw my instructor again, and after playing something for her, she said, "You know, I think it's much better that we didn't force you to play by the book" I don't play very much anymore, get frustrated when I do, but I still love it, and I still will never sell my piano, especially since it's finally almost paid for!!! Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:17:01 EST From: "Saige the Faerie Princess" Subject: a VERY confused Toriphile ok... in the Cornflake Girl book it says that she was raped at gun-point and everyone is saying that she wasn't... I AM SOOOO CONFUSED!!! please help. love, Stacie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:03:10 EST From: zaina@juno.com (Lisa Zain) Subject: tori and maynard hi guys, i was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the relationship between tori and maynard james keenan of TOOL. i was blindly searching around on the web (a tool page actually) and stumbled across a live performance of them doing "mohammed my friend" I hadn't ever even heard about this performance that aired almost exactly a year ago on lifetime. i was just wondering if anyone had any info on them, or the performance. thanks Lisa _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:42:28 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: Websters..... Myssa posted: > I guess my post on "SATY" was a little late, sorry about that. I just read >mike's posting and definition, and this is NOT a flame, but 2 and 3 sound >like old english definitions. In todays vocabulary we call 2- kidnapping, >and 3- exactly what it says, violation, or abuse. > Mike, I say this with the utmost respect to you, for you are a Tori God, I >just happen to disagree with a particular perspective you hold. No offense taken :) But the definitions are there and are still very much current and I guess it is a personal matter whether you choose to accept them or not. But from a technical stand point, the sentence "Tori Amos was raped" is very much true. I suppose we can all choose which parts of the dictionary we choose to agree with or not. :) Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:11:41 EST From: JupiterCMS Subject: Re: a VERY confused Toriphile In a message dated 98-01-27 17:56:07 EST, you write: << ok... in the Cornflake Girl book it says that she was raped at gun-point and everyone is saying that she wasn't... I AM SOOOO CONFUSED!!! please help. love, Stacie >> In the book "All These Years"...a book about TOri's life it says: "After spending Christmas with her family back home in Maryland, Tori returned to Los Angeles only to meet with tragedy in the form of a member of her audience to whom she agreed to give a lift home one night. The horror Tori experienced as she was held hostage AND raped was too profound to express, and after calling her mother who immediately flew to Los Angeles to be with her daughter, Tori vowed never to speak of it again." Also, this I might add..as some of you ight know...this was an Authorized biography...so it must be true...it cant be lies peace out ~ Dusk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:09:58 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Good seats? On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Shirl wrote: > I don't really know how the club circuit works, but in the light that > Tori's going to begin touring soon I'd like to know - how do the people > who get the good seats get the good seats? I don't want to be ripped off > by some ticket broker agency, but it seems to me that just going to BASS > or Ticket Master is hopeless. Well, let me start by saying that I think it's probably not worthwhile to try and make plans about how you are going to get tickets before the venues have even been announced. One of the best things about being on a list like this is that you'll get news about the venues as soon as it's released, so you should have time to map out your strategy. Having said that, as someone who sees the vast majority of the live music I see in clubs rather than larger venues I can try to offer a few general guidelines on the assumption that Tori actually will end up in actual clubs and not just small theatres. In most clubs there is no reserve seating (for the general public) and therefore there are no good tickets or bad tickets, just tickets. The people who end up with good seats (if there are seats) at the show are usually those who show up early and wait for the doors to open. Since the news about the club tour mentioned that Tori wanted to choose venues where you had to go to the "box office" to get tickets it's possible that using Ticketmaster (or Protix or whatever) won't even be an option. You might end up having to go to the club itself to get tickets. Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:47:28 EST From: NaughtyEmp Subject: Maynard and Tori HIyas all, I know that this isn't really Tori news, but someone said that they saw Maynard and Tori doing MMF on the web. This happens to be my absolute favorite performance and I was wondering if you had the web site where I could find this. Thank a bunch Lissa touch hands and part with laughter touch lips and part with tears ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:16:36 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Bowman Subject: GE score Has anyone picked up the Great Expectations score? Does it have any Tori songs not on the album? I saw a copy on Saturday, but it didn't have any indication who did what. Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:11:11 -0800 From: Don Skinner Subject: readers digest version Do you have a readers digest version ver each single piece of mail coming at you one at a time? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:11:46 -0800 From: Shirl Subject: Re: GE score At 05:16 PM 1/27/98 -0800, Michael Bowman wrote: > > >Has anyone picked up the Great Expectations score? Does it have any Tori >songs not on the album? I saw a copy on Saturday, but it didn't have any >indication who did what. > I've seen it. Tori helped compose one or two songs on the score. I don't think there are vocalizations, except maybe for that Finn song - -- Shirley Ye University of California, Berkeley http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/3305 "I've been told when I get older That I'll understand it all, But I'm not sure if I want to." -Kate Bush, In Search of Peter Pan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:18:51 EST From: Tasha325 Subject: Re: Good seats? okay, i am really confused here... i thought that all the info we had up until this point said that only the venues would be selling their tickets...(no brokers) at least for the club part... so what is all this about ticketmaster & stuff?? anistasha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:37:18 -0600 From: Rachel Roth Subject: Re: GE score I picked up the score yesterday... for some reason it was ALREADY at a used music store for $5.99 ah well I was happy happy :) I'm figuring someone thought it was the soundtrack and was disappointed.... oh well that's off of the point ok well, I listened to it and it is BEAUTIFUL the two songs by Tori are Finn (the full version) and Paradiso Perduto I didn't listen very intently, but Paradiso Perduto is very powerful, and we all heard Finn on the album If you want to hear tori singing, don't get this album... But its a good "chill" cd and Tori does have 2 songs. toodles Rachel "Maybe I aint used to Maybes smashing in a cold room" -tori amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:12:19 PST From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: Yeah, I'm new >From owner-precious-things@smoe.org Tue Jan 27 07:13:29 1998 >Received: from jane.smoe.org (majordom@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) > by shore.shore.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA23255; > Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:16:36 -0500 (EST) >Received: from localhost by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-listq-jane) > id HAA25297; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:51:40 -0500 I mainly wanted to introduce myself. My name's Jack and I've been a fan of Miss Amos in varying degrees since the video for "Silent All These Years" came out. I am certainly not much of an authority on Tori as I am just now really getting into her, so at first I'm really just reading everyone else's post ("maybe one day I'll have my own" :) ). I have a page or so dedicated to Tori on the Internet: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/towers/7313/toriamos.html That's it. Hope I make some friends here. sincerely, Jack ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:22:13 -0500 From: "Dave and Melissa" Subject: Tori Tree Hello Everyone! Just thought I'd share a bit of good news with you all! Today I finally got Neil Gaimans Stardust series, issue 3! I now own a "Tori Tree" If anyone else is interested in getting one, I would hurry....My local comic shop ( which carries it although it's a book ) had 2 copys left of issue 3,...now they have 1! Also, they didn't have 1, 2, or four, they were all sold out. I have heard of some places selling them as a complete set...as a package ( ribbon and fairy dust included ) So you may want to look for that, That set as far as I can tell is being sold at actual bookstores.....not comic shops. Hope this helps....YEAH!!! ( I'm pretty giddy right now :-) A fellow Toriphile, Melissa~H **************************************************************************** ******** " I believe in rainbows and all of that, but there are darker colors, the rainbow contains every color and it's the shade that defines the light" ~~~TORI AMOS **************************************************************************** ******** - ---------- > From: precious-things@smoe.org > To: Myssa > Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #34 > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 12:43 PM > > > <<< This message is part 2 of a previous message >>> > > > I noticed some people discussing the lyrics to Cornflake Girl. I > > just wanted to say that Cornflake girl was written about Alice > > Walker's book Possessing the Secret of Joy. > > > > The book, is a heart breaking story about Tashi's life after she had > > been "circumcised". The pain endured not only during the actual > > "procedure" (often conducted with a dirty knife, stiched up with > > thorns and afterwards using spit to stop the bleeding) is > > oftentimes less than the pain during the journey back to one's > > self. As the recovery process afterwards includes the painful > > experience of sex. Oftentimes, if a woman had been infibulated it > > would require an opening up that could be done by a doctor but was > > more often done at home either manually with a knife or through the > > husband forcing penetration. Therefore, sex was often a painful > > experience as was menstruation and urinating. Which can explain a > > hesitation towards sex until the wound has been properly healed and > > opened. > > > > Alice Walker and Pratiba Parmar did a documentary on female genital > > mutilation entitled Warrior Marks which I highly recommend. Also, > > there is a book by the same name that details the filming process and > > both Pratiba and Alice's thoughts each step of the way. Be prepared > > to cry, scream and dance with rage. > > > > The bottomline though is that they were heightening awareness to a > > problem often overlooked- it's not my culture therefore not my > > problem...Alice has a beautiful quote in response- violence is not > > culture. > > > > Also, I think Tashi turns up again in blood roses in the line > > chickens get a taste of my meat girl...Chickens are often feed the > > parts taken from the woman but also before the procedure girls are > > forced to watch chickens getting their heads cut off- the message is > > simple, if you disobey this could be you. > > > > You should read the book the parts about Tashi and her re-occuring > > nightmares about chickens is harrowing. > > > > On a happy note, I gave Alice a copy of Cornflake Girl. > > > > Take care, Ruth > > > > I am human therefore nothing human can be alien to me.- Maya Angelou > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:59:48 +0000 (GMT) > > From: Brian the Lion > > Subject: Tori in the UK > > > > Hmm... > > > > I got a bit flamed for saying Marilyn Manson were crap so i > > guess i'll leave the good/bad thing to Tori. Just a couple > > of points...... > > > > 1)I read that when Tori first talked to Neil Gaiman they were > > listening to Ministry (please don't mail in about when > > exactly she 1st met him 'cos it doesn't matter in this case) > > so i figure she certainly has no problem with the style of > > bands such as MM and Korn (though whether the attitudes align > > is another thing) > > > > 2)Channel 4 (eg British TV) and HMV just ran a survey of the > > top 100 albums of all time and "Little Earthquakes was 95th. > > I know that doesn't sound as high as you and i would like but > > when considering the sheer quantity of music made that > > qualified for the pole (some albums were 30+ years old) it is > > a fantastic acheivement. Thought y'all might like to know > > 'cos i'm still on a buzz about it. > > > > B. > > > > Since sigs are getting popular i thought i'd choose one of my > > favourites:- > > > > "I was one of the sheep too, once. But then the > > wolves came and know i am an Eagle and fly in a different > > universe" > > > > - ---------------------- > > Brian the Lion > > bos197@soton.ac.uk > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:16:48 EST > > From: Superwax2@aol.com > > Subject: Re: Tori and Disney > > > > hi again! > > > > you know, when i first read this question i thought that i really > couldn't see > > tori doing any disney songs, for some reason or another...but then, i > realized > > i only thought this because i overlooked the one great disney movie, mary > > poppins. i, personally, think that tori could do a fabulous rendition of > the > > song (forgive me, i don't know the name) that mary poppins sings to the > > children after they went into the chalk drawing about not being sleepy. > > > > Love, > > Sam > > > > There is more to life than increasing its speed. > > ~Mahatma Ghandi > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:09:11 -0600 (CST) > > From: Serra Angel > > Subject: Re: song interpretations > > > > > mistress, but that's just my way, and I think that also makes sence > with > > > what someone said how the song was about Eric Rosse, and then it also > > > kind of goes along with Doughnut Song "You told me last night you were > a > > > sun now with your very own devoted satelite" meaning while he was with > > > > her he found some better and went with her, so the kind of go together, > > > > I guess... > > > > > Keeping in mind that Tori allows for different interpretations of > > songs, I think her intentions in Doughnut Song are pretty > > straightforward (as far as any Tori song goes.. heh) Doughnut Song was > > always to me like a sequel to Blood Roses.. specifically about > > clioradectomies (sp??) and Muslim women's issues, and more generally > > about the way men and sex issues repress freedom for women (though > > certainly women also work to confirm these problems in societies, hence > > Cornflake Girl). Lines like "I've shaved every place where you've been, > > boy" can mean (unpleasantly) the actual operation, or it can mean a > > more general exposure, perhaps of thoselittle secrets these situations > > force women to quell. Doughnut Song always seemed specifically about a > > woman having to have sex with a man under such strenuous and painful > > circumstances, at the same time being completely disrespected for it, > > but having no freedom to have a voice and express how she feels. > > Muhammad My Friend, I think, also deals with this in the "Muhammad my > > friend, getting very scared, teach me how to love, my brothers who > > don't know the law"If she is indeed talking about the Koran here, isn't > > there a passage that says the brothers of a woman have the right to do > > whatever necessary to the husband of their sister if they find out he > > has done something to abuse her? I have an Egyptian friend and she was > > telling me something like that.. of course with these sort of > > operations commonplace, that would not be included under abuse, and I > > think Tori's trying to point out it should be. > > > > Kahlan :) > > "Hand me a trick, and a kick, and your message.. > > You'll never gain weight from a doughnut hole." > > :) > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:46:59 -0600 > > From: Rachel Roth > > Subject: Re: Disney > > > > the person that forgot the name of the song where the kids got sleepy in > > mary poppins...its "toppins" or something like that... > > Tori would be really cool on that I agree... > > > > I also think she'd sound really cool on "kiss the girl " > > > > Rachel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe I aint used to Maybes smashing in a cold room" > > -tori amos > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:41:54 EST > > From: zaina@juno.com (Lisa Zain) > > Subject: [none] > > > > um... hi guys, i'm new on this list, and the first post i got was about > > tori doing that really sweet song from mary poppins. i can really see how > > much depth she could bring to that song. the second post i got was about > > doughnut song, and it's relations to the treatment of muslim women. about > > the reference to the koran and about how brothers could do what they > > thought necessary defending their sister. according to my best friend's > > (a muslim) mom, a husband has all authority over his wife, and unless he > > is doing something directly abusive, the family is not supposed to > > interfere. if the wife asks for help, then they will give it, but > > brothers have no right in the tractional islamic family to interfere with > > a marriage. > > thanks > > Lisa > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:44:09 EST > > From: Tori805@aol.com > > Subject: Re: SATY Theory > > > > In a message dated 98-01-26 00:55:29 EST, you write: > > > > << i was just wondering...i always figured saty had something also to do > with > > rape or incest due to all of its use w/rainn. > > which would make the abortion theme twice as likely. > > so, i think that maybe the jeans have something to do with this, but i > don't > > know exactly how, >> > > > > I'm pretty sure that Tori's rape experience was at least the springboard > for > > this song. She didn't talk about it for a lot of years, then finally she > did > > in SATY. Hence, the title. But, I do think there are a lot of other > things > > all rolled up inside. I think it's about everything that she hadn't been > > talking about for all those years, including the rape. > > just my input... > > - -Sue > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:34:48 CST > > From: "rosalind's pea soup" > > Subject: Re: SATY Theory > > > > Just so everyone isn't in the dark on this one...tori was verbally > > threatened and physically assaulted, but she wasn't raped.(this was > > discussed a few months back, but we've had a small explosion in > > subscriptions since then) > > I don't think this alteration matters so much in the scope of things, > > however, because she obviously was terrorized by the occurrence, and > > by her honesty and willingness to share her story she has helped so > > many others who have been raped and/or terrorized. She took a > > horrible piece of her life and split it wide open in order to help > > people. That's up there with Mother Theresa. > > > > just my little bit of cents and a cigar. > > > > i'll go now kiddies. > > > > don't eat too many lucky charms or you'll turn into a green clover. > > > > i swear. > > > > > > > > "thanks for your interest, > > but my thing is already > > just the right size..." > > -miss ani d.- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:42:17 EST > > From: Lil3rthqks > > Subject: Re: Cornflake Girl > > > > In a message dated 98-01-26 05:10:11 EST, Eichmiller@cardiff.ac.uk > writes: > > > > << I noticed some people discussing the lyrics to Cornflake Girl. I > > just wanted to say that Cornflake girl was written about Alice > > Walker's book Possessing the Secret of Joy. >> > > > > i understand most of the song, except...what is the signifigance of the > word > > "cornflake" ? > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:11:22 EST > > From: Cindergirl > > Subject: pictures > > > > Recently on my picture editing software, i made this album thing with > pictures > > of Tori. I used the ones out of the Boys For Pele piano book. then i took > some > > lyrics from each song and put them on the pictures and it turned out > looking > > really neat. so if anyone wants some pics of Tori for their computer > email me > > personally and i'll send it to you > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:52:31 -0500 > > From: Mikewhy > > Subject: Re: SATY Theory > > > > rosalind's pea soup posted: > > > > > > <<< Continued to next message >>> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:40:52 -0500 > From: "Dave and Melissa" > Subject: Websters..... > > Hi guys, > I guess my post on "SATY" was a little late, sorry about that. I just read > mike's posting and definition, and this is NOT a flame, but 2 and 3 sound > like old english definitions. In todays vocabulary we call 2- kidnapping, > and 3- exactly what it says, violation, or abuse. > Mike, I say this with the utmost respect to you, for you are a Tori God, I > just happen to disagree with a particular perspective you hold. > > With all due respect, > Melissa~H > (Myssa) > **************************************************************************** > ******** > " I believe in rainbows and all of that, but there are darker colors, > the rainbow contains every color and it's the shade that defines the light" > ~~~TORI AMOS > > **************************************************************************** > ******** > > - ---------- > > From: precious-things@smoe.org > > To: Myssa > > Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #31 > > Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 1:59 AM > > > > > > > > precious-things-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 03 : Number > 031 > > > > > > > > Today's Subjects: > > ----------------- > > Re: Take to the Sky/lyrics [ChinaDust > ] > > Re: no...more covers? aahhh! > [Seraephina@aol.com] > > Re: Take to the Sky/lyrics ["/meade ee" > ] > > Re: Tori songs about abortion? [Torifile > ] > > TORI-TORI-TORI-TORI-TORI.... OH YEAH- TORI [Shea Thomas > > Re: Tori and Korn [Quinn024 > ] > > GE soundtrack [NaughtyEmp > ] > > peter steele? eek! [rain > ] > > muhammad my friend.... ["Sullen Girl" > ] > > Re: New Tori Song; 2 [A Faerie > ] > > Re: saty [FlutterVxn > ] > > Re: peter steele? eek! [Serra Angel > ] > > Re: many subjects, all thought provoking i think > [geministar@webtv.net] > > The CD is done! ["John M." > ] > > Re: The CD is done! [rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob > Kollmeyer)] > > saty and MMF ["Hanna Paulus" > ] > > MMF [Rachel Roth > ] > > Re: saty and MMF [Shea Thomas > ] > > Re: New Tori Song; 2 [WeirdyBoi > ] > > MMF [pigs@swva.net (Erin > Martin)] > > my SATY theory ["Saige the Faerie Princess" > ] > > Re: my SATY theory [jjacobsen@huntingdon.edu (Jennifer > Jacobsen)] > > Re: my SATY theory ["Hanna Paulus" > ] > > Tori on TV ["K. Fischer" > ] > > chatter chatter chatter... ["/meade ee" > ] > > <<< Continued to next message >>> ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #35 ************************************