From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #26 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, January 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 026 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: LANDSLIDE [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: yup yup yup [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: yup yup yup [Liz ] Re: Non-Tori-ish [Liz ] Puff Daddy comments [Richard Handal ] Re: LANDSLIDE ["Mickey Sun" ] clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) [violet@slip.net] tori as landmark [Hannah ] Re: LANDSLIDE [JupiterCMS ] Re: Puff Daddy comments [JEDAS1 ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #25 [Oblivius1 ] Re: Tori collaaboration ["Saige the Faerie Princess" ] Re: Tori collaaboration ["Saige the Faerie Princess" ] tori songs [jjacobsen@huntingdon.edu (Jennifer Jacobsen)] Re: tori as landmark [FlutterVxn ] Re: yup yup yup [Alicia ] Re: tori w/other artists [Alicia ] Re: tori w/other artists [Alicia ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #25 [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ba] Tori and Dave Navarro and Flea [Torifile ] Re: yup yup yup [Alicia ] Re: YKTR vids [fuzzbox@world.std.com (Ms. Chanandler Bong)] Re: YKTR vids [jlovoi@sps.edu (Space Dog)] Re: REALLY IMPORTANT TORI INFO (4 REAL!!!) [Banana Queen ] Re: Tori doing work with other artists. [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Re: Tori collaaboration [Tori805 ] Re: tori as landmark [ChinaDust ] Re: yup yup yup [Purple Power ] fiona apple [Banana Queen ] OKC show [Banana Queen ] Re: OKC show [Nadyne Mielke ] fiona and tori [Cindergirl ] Re: fiona apple [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: yup yup yup [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] ADMIN: Tori vs Fiona, Puffy, etc. [Michael Curry ] Re: yup yup yup [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] lyrics [Banana Queen ] Re: fiona and tori [lilchibi@flash.net] Slay me....new Tori? [Tripp Gwyn ] Tori and Joan [lilchibi@flash.net] Re: ADMIN: Tori vs Fiona, Puffy, etc. [geministar@webtv.net] Re: Tori and Joan ["Saige the Faerie Princess" ] Sheshiedo Red ["Everybody Else's Girl" ] Re: tori as landmark [darkfire@netcom.ca] Tori and [Nadyne Mielke ] REDE or READ? [Ashley Blaize ] Shiseido Red [emeraldnymph@juno.com] Re: Tori and [squeaky watson ] Re: REDE or READ? [fuzzbox@world.std.com (Ms. Chanandler Bong)] Re: Tori doing work with other artists. ["Casey Christian" writes: >Um...what is "landslide"? *sheepish smile* You're not alone...I didn't know what it was either!!! However, I am always loathe to show my ignorance. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:16:55 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: yup yup yup On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:58:27 EST ChinaDust writes: ><< >Tori was making music when Jewel and Fiona were still in diapers. >That's > >all I have to say. > >Natalie > > > > (tori was in diapers too) > >> > >tori >WAS making music when SHE was still in diapers. another reason to stop >with >the jewel (oh gawd no more of that brat) and fiona labeling! That was my point, when I posted the "You do the math" thing. I rarely make myself clear :) Natalie Be still be calm be quiet now my precious boy, don't struggle like that or I will only love you more - --The Cure ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:10:49 -0900 (AKST) From: Liz Subject: Re: yup yup yup Tori is like twelve years older than Fiona or Jewel. I dont think so. On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, almost brave wrote: > > > > > >Tori was making music when Jewel and Fiona were still in diapers. That's > >all I have to say. > >Natalie > > > > (tori was in diapers too) > > . > . > http://www.overlap.org > . > out of the ash i rise > with my red hair and > i eat men like air.. > . > . > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:09:20 -0900 (AKST) From: Liz Subject: Re: Non-Tori-ish Sting sang with Putzy and others at the mtv music video awards. Not that i support this. On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Natalie T Ballard wrote: > > > >d > >to > >fit the mood. Second, if Sting had disagreed with Puffy's intentions > >he > >would have never authorized the adaptation in the first place > > Actually, Sting's record company authorized the sampling...Sting didn't. > In an interview with Sting, when asked what he thought of the remix, > Sting said "What's a Puff Daddy?" > Natalie > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:43:28 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Puff Daddy comments Comments about Puff Daddy will be welcomed on the newsgroup rec.music.hip-hop. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:47:06 -0800 From: "Mickey Sun" Subject: Re: LANDSLIDE You can download Tori's cover of Landslide by Fleetwood Mac here (in mp3 format): http://oubliette.ml.org/torimp3.htm It's a beautiful song. Mickey Sun University of California, Santa Cruz | micksun@cats.ucsc.edu PGP public key located at: http://www2.ucsc.edu/~micksun/pgp.htm Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right. - -Isaac Asimov | N = R* x fs x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc x L - -----Original Message----- From: Natalie T Ballard To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 10:36 PM Subject: Re: LANDSLIDE > > >On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:52:51 EST ChinaDust writes: >>Um...what is "landslide"? *sheepish smile* > >You're not alone...I didn't know what it was either!!! However, I am >always loathe to show my ignorance. >Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:19:42 -0800 From: violet@slip.net Subject: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Natalie wrote: >Tori is 33. Tori is 34. A year might not be terribly important to the young'uns amongst you, but when you *are* 34, you sorta feel compelled to keep track. ;) So 34 it is. Violet xoxox * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Immaturity keeps me young. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 06:59:43 -0500 From: Hannah Subject: tori as landmark i just wanted to let everyone know that just the other day i got my bmg packet...there is an insert called "Landmark Albums: Five Decades of Music Milestones" and on the back it has a listing of future landmark albums, and LE is the first one listed...she's not unknown anymore. incidentally, i was wondering (for any of you who might put a bit of faith in reincarnation) have you ever thought that maybe tori was mozart reincarnated? that's usually the way i describe her to people, since the two of them started playing the piano around the same time; i say that tori is the reincarnation of mozart as a woman in our time...just thoughts... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:44:02 EST From: JupiterCMS Subject: Re: LANDSLIDE In a message dated 98-01-19 01:53:38 EST, you write: << On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:52:51 EST ChinaDust writes: >Um...what is "landslide"? *sheepish smile* >> Its a song by Stevie Nicks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:01:44 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: Puff Daddy comments In a message dated 1/19/98 2:12:22 AM, handal@access.digex.net wrote: <> Thank you thank you thank you!! Before, we had the drug thread, and now it's this trent and puff daddy threat. We all got letters not too long ago discouraging threads. julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:12:09 EST From: Oblivius1 Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #25 In a message dated 98-01-19 01:42:26 EST, you write: >Fiona just has this "pity poor me" thing going on. She is the epitome of >the angst ridden teen.....someone as positive minded as Tori would >probably be annoyed with her. I pretty much lost respect for Fiona >following the quasi-pornographic video for "Criminal" and that stupid >"life sucks" speech she made at the MTV awards. Maybe she just has some >growing up to do :) actually...tori owns tidal and says that she likes fiona's music, and if you read the rolling stone's article with fiona on the cover..she says that's exactly what she doesn't want people to think of her "pity poor me" read it.if you are willing to see other views *wink* back under the covers, until again....... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:09:45 EST From: "Saige the Faerie Princess" Subject: Re: Tori collaaboration >I would LOVE to see Tori work with David Bowie. me too me too!!! ahh! i love David Bowie!!!!! It would be kewl to hear them do something from The Labyrinth! <> Love, Stacie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:16:29 EST From: "Saige the Faerie Princess" Subject: Re: Tori collaaboration >I would LOVE to see Tori work with David Bowie. me too me too!!! ahh! i love David Bowie!!!!! It would be kewl to hear them do something from The Labyrinth! <> Love, Stacie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:15:15 -0600 From: jjacobsen@huntingdon.edu (Jennifer Jacobsen) Subject: tori songs someone posted a web site yesterday that had sound clips of tori covers and landslide and wrapped around your finger were both on it. i was wondering if you would not mind sending me that web site address again...i accidently deleted it. thanks, jenn - -- No one knows how I feel What I say unless you read between my lines ~Stand Back, The Wild Heart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:58:25 EST From: FlutterVxn Subject: Re: tori as landmark when i first started listening to her and learning a little about tori...i did actually think that she was mozart.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:17:50 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Re: yup yup yup Natalie wrote: >and I especially hate it when >people attribute the success of female artists to Alanis. Apparently, >Alanis "opened the doors" for all female musicians.....as if there >weren't any female musicians before her. Alanis was influenced by Tori, btw. She said LE encouraged her to write as honestly as she did in Jagged Little Pill. And because of Alanis, I started listening to Tori. Later I dumped Alanis (gave the record to my little sister). It's just that Tori is soooo much better. Besides, I think it is true, Tori is the original artist in this female musicians' movement.=20 T.C, Alicia "I felt a painful stitch throughout my body that I knew stitched my tears to my soul. No longer would my weeping be separate from what I knew" -Tashi, in "Possessing the Secret of Joy"=20 by Alice Walker "How could I be so immature =20 To think that he could replace =09 The missing elements in me" =20 -Bj=F6rk =09 Smile - Its The Second Best Thing you can do with Your Lips.=20 =09 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:24:05 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Re: tori w/other artists I think Tori with either Jewel or Fiona wouldn't be really good, because they're too similar. My opinion is that they should be different artists entirely, different styles, because that way a much more interesting thing can be produced. Of course, they also have to be compatible, but they need to be different so they complement each other.=20 I'm not saying that they're the same, but 2 girls and their pianos would be really boring to me. I think Puff Daddy wouldn't be all that bad, though.=20 T.C, Alicia "I felt a painful stitch throughout my body that I knew stitched my tears to my soul. No longer would my weeping be separate from what I knew" -Tashi, in "Possessing the Secret of Joy"=20 by Alice Walker "How could I be so immature =20 To think that he could replace =09 The missing elements in me" =20 -Bj=F6rk =09 Smile - Its The Second Best Thing you can do with Your Lips.=20 =09 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:18:10 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Re: tori w/other artists I think Tori with either Jewel or Fiona wouldn't be really good, because they're too similar. My opinion is that they should be different artists entirely, different styles, because that way a much more interesting thing can be produced. Of course, they also have to be compatible, but they need to be different so they complement each other.=20 I'm not saying that they're the same, but 2 girls and their pianos would be really boring to me. I think Puff Daddy wouldn't be all that bad, though.=20 T.C, Alicia "I felt a painful stitch throughout my body that I knew stitched my tears to my soul. No longer would my weeping be separate from what I knew" -Tashi, in "Possessing the Secret of Joy"=20 by Alice Walker "How could I be so immature =20 To think that he could replace =09 The missing elements in me" =20 -Bj=F6rk =09 Smile - Its The Second Best Thing you can do with Your Lips.=20 =09 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:56:57 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #25 On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:12:09 EST Oblivius1 writes: >In a message dated 98-01-19 01:42:26 EST, you write: >>actually...tori owns tidal and says that she likes fiona's music, and >if you >read the rolling stone's article with fiona on the cover..she says >that's >exactly what she doesn't want people to think of her "pity poor me" >read it.if >you are willing to see other views I own Tidal as well.....but liking a person's music and liking them personally aren't mutually inclusive. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:51:34 EST From: Torifile Subject: Tori and Dave Navarro and Flea What a great combo! I think that these three, Dave Navarro, Tori Amos, and Flea, would really rock! I mean, it just WOULD, i just dont know why! I think Tori being with the new Janes Addiction crew would be totaly kewl. Love ya Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:07:38 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Re: yup yup yup > >Um actually.....you forgot Janis Joplin > Was Tori influenced by her? I'm sorry, I meant (how can I explain?) Alanis was influenced by Tori, and most of the other women in this movement were influenced by other women, who came before them. And I thought Tori's influences came from so many different places that they were hard to tell, never that she was only influenced by one, that's what I meant. It's like a pyramid, and I think she's at the top, she was part of the group that began with this. Please please please tell me if I'm wrong, but that's the way, I, at least see it. T.Care, Alicia "I felt a painful stitch throughout my body that I knew stitched my tears to my soul. No longer would my weeping be separate from what I knew" -Tashi, in "Possessing the Secret of Joy"=20 by Alice Walker "How could I be so immature =20 To think that he could replace =09 The missing elements in me" =20 -Bj=F6rk =09 Smile - Its The Second Best Thing you can do with Your Lips.=20 =09 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (Ms. Chanandler Bong) Subject: Re: YKTR vids Joe Typeth: > She did The Big Picture, Fayth, and I'm most certain there is one more, can > anyone help out? I'm drawing a blank. There's gotta be a Cool On Your > Island out there, that was the first single! Where did you get this info from? The only video ever made from YKTR was for the Big Picture. Because it got so little attention, Atlantic never sprung for another video. And, The Big Picture was the first single. Cool On Your Island was the second. - -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox "I can't be really clear here, but if you know what I mean, you know exactly what I'm talking about." -Janeane Garofalo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:29:27 -0500 From: jlovoi@sps.edu (Space Dog) Subject: Re: YKTR vids At 2:25 PM 1/19/98, Ms. Chanandler Bong wrote: >Joe Typeth: >> She did The Big Picture, Fayth, and I'm most certain there is one more, can >> anyone help out? I'm drawing a blank. There's gotta be a Cool On Your >> Island out there, that was the first single! > >Where did you get this info from? The only video ever made from YKTR was >for the Big Picture. Because it got so little attention, Atlantic never >sprung for another video. > >And, The Big Picture was the first single. Cool On Your Island was the second. > > >-- > Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox > "I can't be really clear here, but if you know what I mean, > you know exactly what I'm talking about." -Janeane Garofalo Well, there's a Fayth video and aCool On Your Island. I've got the Fayth and I"m not sure if I've got te Cool, but I know it exists. I'm not really sure why they did those videos if the album did so poorly. ************************************************************** VIEW MY TRADING LIST HERE! Alanis Underground www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6864 Listen, My Children www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/4845 Old Dads Club www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8220 "Years go by, will I still be waiting for somebody else to understand" --Tori Amos "Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for believers in live, love, faith, and purity." --I Timothy 4:12 ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:31:45 -0800 From: Banana Queen Subject: Re: REALLY IMPORTANT TORI INFO (4 REAL!!!) well, don't know about any of you but dammit i don't live anywhere near any of those cities.....and i am beginning to worry i may not get to see tori duing this tour. i am in Oklahoma... - --Banana Queen i just hope OK is somewhere on her list and that is isn't Tulsa. =0/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:37:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: yup yup yup On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, almost brave wrote: > >Tori was making music when Jewel and Fiona were still in diapers. That's > >all I have to say. > > (tori was in diapers too) Good point. When comparing Tori to other artists we tend to only examine relatively current work. Jewel and Fiona might have talent now to sell records, but you get a different feeel from Tori's music. Music is her soul. To me she seems to sing and play and write as a way of living, not to get fame or sell a ercord. I thikn that Tori would be happy if she never made another record and could just be one with the music forever. I don't get thiis impressoin from very many other artists. jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:41:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: Tori doing work with other artists. On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 darkfire@netcom.ca wrote: > P.S. While I'm posting, does anyone know what the hell "Shiseido red" is? > (From Muhammed My Friend) It's a color. Kind of like blood red as far as I know. But then again, I've been wrong before. Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:26:17 EST From: Tori805 Subject: Re: Puff Daddy comments THANK YOU RICHARD!!!!! - -Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:28:17 EST From: Tori805 Subject: Re: Tori collaaboration How about Sinead O'Connor? - -Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:20:29 EST From: ChinaDust Subject: Re: tori as landmark In a message dated 98-01-19 09:50:33 EST, hannah@conwaycorp.net writes: << incidentally, i was wondering (for any of you who might put a bit of faith in reincarnation) have you ever thought that maybe tori was mozart reincarnated? that's usually the way i describe her to people, since the two of them started playing the piano around the same time; i say that tori is the reincarnation of mozart as a woman in our time...just thoughts...>> that's a cool way to look at it...i never thought about a reincarnation, but i used to say to this one guy (he was really into Mozart, like, ONLY) that "Tori Amos is like Mozart on crack", just to get him goin'. (after some comedian said she was like "Joni Mitchell on crack.") eileen "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." -- Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:47:57 -0800 (PST) From: Purple Power Subject: Re: yup yup yup On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Natalie T Ballard wrote: > > Tori is 33. Jewel is 22. Fiona is 20. You do the math. > Natalie I thought she was 34... August 22, 1963 right? Peace, Love, and the Goddesses-- Mark ______________________________________________________________________________ | increase | |visi(bi)lity!| --------------- "I've been saying all along that I didn't want revenge, but maybe I did." -Fiona Apple "On some of my darkest days, "I am your apocalypse. Lucifer's the one who comes and I am your belief unwrought. gives me an ice cream." Monolithic Juggernaut, I'm -Tori Amos the illegitimate son of God." -KMFDM "When all young people would start listening to their own voice instead of saying what adults say or whatever MTV dictates, this would be a whole different planet." --Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:01:58 -0800 From: Banana Queen Subject: fiona apple well this is my two cents about fiona. it think her music is ok but in my opinion her music is a little too bitter for her......i mean, she got a record deal without having to do much work....if i am correct she was musically discovered while babysitting or something. and a while ago i think someone posted on here that she doesn't even like to play the piano live because it isn's as personal. um.....HUH? sorry did not mean to offend anyone. her and i just don't get along. and i personally hear NO RESEMBLANCE between her and tori. the only similarity to me is that fiona plays the piano.....well...so do i. =3D0=DE NO OFFENSE. =3D0) - --Banana Queen "Dreams made up for the Banana King....This is not a conclusion, no revolution, just a little confusion on where your head has been..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:14:14 -0800 From: Banana Queen Subject: OKC show this isn't likely but i am gonna ask anyway since others have....My first and only tori show was on 10/30/96 at the Civic Center Music Hall in Oklahoma City.....i was wondering if there might possibly be a recording from this show...if so i would love to find it. thanx - --Banana Queen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:21:09 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: OKC show On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Banana Queen wrote: > this isn't likely but i am gonna ask anyway since others have....My > first and only tori show was on 10/30/96 at the Civic Center Music Hall > in Oklahoma City.....i was wondering if there might possibly be a > recording from this show...if so i would love to find it. Ask, and ye shall receive! ;) Check out my bootlist at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7536/bootlegindex.html and you'll find it {and lots of other Tori material} there. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:50:08 EST From: Cindergirl Subject: fiona and tori please correct me if i'm wrong because sometimes i have very realistic dreams, but to those of you who said that fiona needs to get off her angst trip: in the 'images and insights' Tori book, didn't she say something like "our generation is about pain and we're selling it. if you take it away from us, we'll kill you" yes i know! that is not the exact quote and most likely no where close, but if someone has the quote could you please post it? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:02:05 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: fiona apple On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:01:58 -0800 Banana Queen writes: .....i mean, she >got >a record deal without having to do much work....if i am correct she >was >musically discovered while babysitting or something. A record exec played her demo while at a party, I think....I personally see no resemblance between Fiona and Tori as well. Tori is much more diverse, while Fiona basically sticks to one or two formulas. She may mature as a musician, or she may drop into obscurity.....I really couldn't tell you which one I think it will be at this point. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:57:19 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: yup yup yup On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:37:26 -0500 (EST) Jessie L Ksanznak writes: >On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, almost brave wrote: > > >I thikn that Tori would be happy if she never made another record and >could just be one with the music forever. > >I don't get thiis impressoin from very many other artists. I couldn't agree more. Music these days is strictly commercial. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:25:59 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: Tori vs Fiona, Puffy, etc. 1) This is a Tori Amos discussion list. While discussions of what other artists you might like to see Tori collaborate with is fine, please don't let these discussions go off on tangents that no longer involve Tori. 2) Please remember that not every Tori fan has the exact same taste in other music that you do. Try to make your points without taking cheap shots at other artists, no matter how talentless you might think they are. You don't have to pretend to like every artist, but you do need to accept that different people have different opinions. The list can certainly do without these arguments about Puffy, Fiona or anyone else. Thank you for your cooperation, Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:58:38 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: yup yup yup On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:21:10 -0800 Banana Queen writes: > >heh heh actually.....tori was making music when SHE was still in >diapers. =0) >--Banana Queen I didn't even think to include that until later. It probably would have strengthened my point. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:47:08 -0800 From: Banana Queen Subject: lyrics ok another question =0) i was wondering where i could find lyrics that aren't usually printed....such as the background vocals that you can't always understand.....i have found lots of webpages with lyrics but...... - --Banana Queen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:59:52 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: Re: fiona and tori The whole fiona tori discussion is kinda getting on my nerves because all I am hearing is the negatives of Fiona and all are entitled to their own opinions. I happen to like both, Tori moreso, but I like each of them for different reasons. Personally, I think they have their own individual distinct qualities that make them and their music unique and I strongly believe that they should not be compared to each other just beacuse they both play the piano. The actual writing that both put into their music are what make them special. And the "angst written" teen image many believe Fiona has for the most part seems to be true, I dont think she should be ridiculed or even given this title or persecuted for making money off of her album. Many times Tori has said how she uses her music to relieve stress, ease her pain, give her the strength to talk about her joys and pains. She uses her music to express her anger, happiness and anything else she feels. It just so happens that all of us Toriphiles love her and the feeling we get from listening to her music. Fiona is kinda in the same boat, she conveys her life experiences and traumas thru her music, and now she is labeled as an angst ridden teen. So she didnt have to work hard to be discovered, IMO i think she was just trying to survive by writting her music. It just so happens that it is what sells today. That seems to be th trend, Alanis was also labeled as a Angry man hating women, and her album did well. basically, I dont think any musician should be slandered because they have a few things they wanna tell the world and then all of a sudden they are classified as Angry teens, women or whatever. What ever happened to just making music for the sheer purpose of expressing ones feelings? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:44:44 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Slay me....new Tori? I'm listening to my copy of DEW DROP INN BOULDER. In the middle of Crucify on Disc 2 Tori starts singing something different, and the only thing I can really make out is SLAY ME! Is this a cover of something else, or could this be a preview of a new song? Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:06:13 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: Tori and Joan What about a duet between Tori and Joan Osborne? Just a thought... Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:39:32 -0500 From: geministar@webtv.net Subject: Re: ADMIN: Tori vs Fiona, Puffy, etc. - --WebTV-Mail-2043504495-15805 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Well said, Mike, and thank you for speaking for the rest of us . . . Toodles, ~geministar* - --WebTV-Mail-2043504495-15805 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Authentication-Warning: bermuda.io.com: mcurry owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:25:59 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry To: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: ADMIN: Tori vs Fiona, Puffy, etc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-precious-things@smoe.org Reply-To: Michael Curry X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk 1) This is a Tori Amos discussion list. While discussions of what other artists you might like to see Tori collaborate with is fine, please don't let these discussions go off on tangents that no longer involve Tori. 2) Please remember that not every Tori fan has the exact same taste in other music that you do. Try to make your points without taking cheap shots at other artists, no matter how talentless you might think they are. You don't have to pretend to like every artist, but you do need to accept that different people have different opinions. The list can certainly do without these arguments about Puffy, Fiona or anyone else. Thank you for your cooperation, Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | - --WebTV-Mail-2043504495-15805-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:01:03 EST From: "Saige the Faerie Princess" Subject: Re: Tori and Joan Laura wrote: >What about a duet between Tori and Joan Osborne? >Just a thought... That would be so awesome!!! I love Joan!! Great idea, Stacie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:03:48 -0800 From: "Everybody Else's Girl" Subject: Sheshiedo Red On Mon, Jan 19, 1998 at 02:41:14PM -0500, Jessie L Ksanznak wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 darkfire@netcom.ca wrote: > > > P.S. While I'm posting, does anyone know what the hell "Shiseido red" is? > > (From Muhammed My Friend) > > It's a color. Kind of like blood red as far as I know. But then again, > I've been wrong before. I believe that Shiseido is a cosmetics company, and Shiseido red is one of their lipsticks...feel free to speak up if I'm wrong. I do know that Tori seems to like red lipstick. DragonGrrl ******************************************************************************* I am a writer who came from a sheltered life. A sheltered life can be a daring life as well. For all serious daring starts from within. - -Eudora Welty ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:02:39 -0600 From: darkfire@netcom.ca Subject: Re: tori as landmark "Tori > Amos is like Mozart on crack", just to get him goin'. (after some comedian > said she was like "Joni Mitchell on crack.") > > eileen Heheh, I kinda like that...does anyone remember when Tori said she sounded "like the Little Mermaid on acid"? I thought the comparison was funny... Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:31:59 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Tori and I'm surprised that no one mentioned Michael Stipe! I would -loooooove- to finally hear her duet with him. {If you're not familiar with this, Tori and Michael recorded a song together for the Don Juan DeMarco soundtrack, but it got pulled. Tori promised to release it later, but it hasn't happened yet. :( } I would personally love to see them perform together sometime, too. On the last tour, when she hit Athens, GA, I was hoping hoping hoping that he'd come on stage. Too bad it didn't happen, but I guess I can hope that it'll happen on the next tour! Oh, slightly off-topic: folks, could we -please- cut down on the "me too" types of posts that I've been seeing so much of? If all that you have to say is "I agree", think about it for a second. Is it really necessary for all the subscribers of this list to see it? There are times when it would be -much- better just to write the author of that post and say "hey, you said exactly what I was thinking" and leave it at that. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:15:59 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: REDE or READ? Hey, I have the Y Kant Tori READ boot and one of my friends has the Y Kant Tori REDE boot. I was wondering why there are 2 different spellings here....... And the REDE CD says something about for Radio Use only. Is that just for looks, or is that true?? Does she have a true rarity on here hands?? Thanks :) === From, Ashley Blaize ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tea With the Waitress - http://waitress.home.ml.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you know of any great Tori news or any insights, please let me know for my page! E-mail me at: nacho@comsource.net or Boy4pele@hotmail.com or Boy4pele@rocketmail.com Thanks so much! Take care, Live Well and have Fun! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:17:37 -0500 From: emeraldnymph@juno.com Subject: Shiseido Red is a makeup color. shiseido is a japanese-based cosmetics company. ~k ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:44:34 -0500 From: squeaky watson Subject: Re: Tori and also sprach Nadyne Mielke: >Oh, slightly off-topic: folks, could we -please- cut down on the "me too" >types of posts that I've been seeing so much of? i hate to be an administrative stick-in-the-mud, but i must reinforce nad's request with some co-list-guy clout (tm). precious-things has gotten very chatty lately and anything that can be done to keep the signal to noise ratio high helps. this includes all the things i mentioned in my long, boring admin post of last week, but *not* sending "me too" posts to the list is the first, biggest step any of you can take towards keeping precious-things useful. the second step, which i forgot to mention last week, is *combining* your replies into one message. rather than sending off a whole bunch of short, single-topic notes, combine them into one message. all those things save space in everyone's mailbox and, more importantly, lightens the load on smoe.org -- always a good thing. thanks, woj co-list-guy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:28:52 -0500 (EST) From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (Ms. Chanandler Bong) Subject: Re: REDE or READ? > Hey, I have the Y Kant Tori READ boot and one of my > friends has the Y Kant Tori REDE boot. I was > wondering why there are 2 different spellings > here....... And the REDE CD says something about for > Radio Use only. Is that just for looks, or is that > true?? Does she have a true rarity on here hands?? Nope. It's just some bootlegger who either a)felt that ToriFans would buy something just because it was slightly different, or b) is a moron, or c) wanted to try to distinguish his boot from the others. the "for radio use only" is just a ruse some bootleggers print on their Cds. If they happen to be raided, they can try to claim "hey, I'm not selling these Cds, look, I'm printing them for radio stations". Who knows if they actually get away with that... - -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox "I can't be really clear here, but if you know what I mean, you know exactly what I'm talking about." -Janeane Garofalo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:52:25 -0600 From: "Casey Christian" Subject: Re: Tori doing work with other artists. >up before. But I was just thinking to myself, "It would be so awesome if Tori > did a trio with Sarah McLachlan and Bjork." I think that that would be I've always said that my dream concert tour would be Sarah and Tori touring together, kinda like Elton John and Billy Joel did a few years ago. For the first hour, one would perform solo. For the second hour, the other would perform. Then the last hour would be them singing duets of different songs of theirs. And then, the encore would be a duet of a really awesome cover, maybe like "Big Yellow Taxi" or something. If I ever saw this, I could die a happy man. Ahhhhhhh.... =) Casey - -+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+- casey@tisd.net http://www.tisd.net/~casey/ "If I shed a tear, I won't cage it ... if I feel a rage I won't deny it ... I won't fear love" - -Sarah McLachlan "I have my own parties. They involve being barefoot with a piece of fried chicken and a margarita in each hand." - -Tori Amos - -+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+- ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #26 ************************************