From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #16 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, January 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 016 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: hallucinogens [Hannah ] PJ & Tori [Jennifer Cypres ] Vulgarities and some thoughts on Muhammad [Beth Winegarner ] Re: Re: hallucinogens [JEDAS1 ] anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. [clockwork_lemon@juno.co] no [rain ] Fwd: Ashre [Lil3rthqks ] Re: other pieces of Tori . . . [Lanna Chidester ] Re: Re: hallucinogens [Hannah ] Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. [ButterFliKip ] Covering Tori songs [Len Alan Denby ] Re: hallucinogens [Laryza Morales ] Re: hallucinogens [Laryza Morales ] least fave/kate bush/GE/hallucinogens/etc [Cindergirl ] Re: Least Favorite Tori Song [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Re: Covering Tori songs [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Re: Covering Tori songs [Superwax2 ] Hallucinogens [Banana Queen ] Marianne [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: Covering Tori songs [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: Least Favorite Tori Song [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard] Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. [clockwork_lemon@jun] Re: Re: Re: hallucinogens [JEDAS1 ] This drug thread [Nadyne Mielke ] tori screen saver [Cindy26471 ] Re: Hallucinogens [JEDAS1 ] Re: Re: hallucinogens [JEDAS1 ] Re: okc "lovesong" [Lanna Chidester ] Re: no [JEDAS1 ] Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. ["Hanna Paulus" ] Re: Covering Tori songs [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. [geministar@webtv.ne] Re: Least Favorite Tori Song (Marianne) [ChinaDust ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 11:32:20 -0500 From: Hannah Subject: Re: hallucinogens is pot actually considered a hallucinogen? i found that it altered my perception of the world, permanently, but would that honestly be called hallucinating? (we could get into some philosophical debate about perceptions of the world, but that isn't much tori-related on its own, eh?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:50:56 -0500 From: Jennifer Cypres Subject: PJ & Tori Ken Tough wrote: >>>Speaking of PJ Harvey, she and Tori seem to know each other, but I'm not sure whether they hang out at all. Harvey lives in Dorset, not all that far from where Tori has been recording in Cornwall... I wonder if they got together at all. Any ideas anyone?>>> Well, Tori, PJ, and Bjork got together for the cover of some magazine a while back. There was an interview with the three of them together, and they seemed very chummy. Sorry, that's all I remember. Hope this helps! - -jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:50:04 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Vulgarities and some thoughts on Muhammad I wanted to take a moment to say something on the subject of not hearing Tori use many 'foul' words, but seeing them in print pretty often -- Well, OF COURSE! When you hear her on radio and TV they have to edit what she says, or she self-edits, because radio and television are held up to some pretty strict obscenity laws and there are certain things you can't say. But in print, you can sometimes print "f---" or "s---" or "b---" and, in some cases, the full word in question. Tori herself has said one of the main things she is is a "dirty mouth with feet," so there you go. While listening to Muhammad My Friend the other day I started getting into this train of thought and I wanted to toss it out to you guys. Anyway, so Pele is supposed to be a novel, kind of. MMF falls between CaLS, where she's beginning to realize the relationship is over and he wasn't that much in love with her to begin with, and Hey Jupiter, where she's sacrificing herself to try and reclaim some of that lost passion ("and this little masochist/is ready to confess//is lifting up her dress"). And right in between these two songs she's talking about how it was really a woman who was crucified in Bethlehem. Most of us really love this song because it says yes, woman can be a savior, maybe IS a savior of our civilization. He should be honoring a woman up there, not a man. But on another level I think she's talking about the woman-on-the-cross as a metaphor for what she's going through in this breakup situation. You know, she's finding a lot of power and empowerment in that image, of the woman being sacrificed, but she's also saying that it was a girl getting nailed for something she believed in -- here, the love that was lost. So then we go all the way back to Crucify -- didn't she say she's "never going back again to crucify myself?" So what's up with this situation? Of course Tori didn't realise until the writing of Pele that she'd been stealing her fire from men. So I think it's interesting -- and surely no accident -- that she's returning to the image of crucifying a woman -- herself -- in MMF. I just thought it was an interesting twist on the things we've already talked about. I like how so much of Pele plays on Tori's older material. Not being self-referential but laying her songs in a context we know pretty well. That's the one thing that makes me cringe when people say they got into Pele first and haven't even heard LE -- because they're missing out on SO MUCH! :) But then again I saw Chasing Amy and haven't seen Clerks yet... :P I'm also working on some ideas about Pele regarding the different songs and characters we meet. For instance, I think all the ballads can go from one right into the next, from Horses to Lucifer to Jupiter to Donut to Damage. And all the women songs -- Blood Roses, Widow, Marianne, Little Amsterdam, Talula, the 2 ladies in Voodoo, and the woman in Twinkle, are presented in a certain order for a reason. Likewise, I think the little songs are all ways of helping Tori through the sifficult stuff that comes up on Pele -- Beauty Queen, Mr. Zebra (who loans her a sweater), the person exploring their role in Way Down, Agent Orange (and we all know how he looks after her), and the girl in Twinkle again. I don't know where all this is going yet, but when I find out I'll let you know. :) Beth - -- "Look, a six-year-old girl last year fought off a kidnapper by imitating one of my kicks. That's what we're talking about when we talk about Girl Power." (Melanie Chisholm, aka Sporty Spice) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:41:22 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: Re: hallucogenics In a message dated 1/12/98 9:33:01 PM, faerie@mbay.net wrote: <> Even once is too much!! julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:00:19 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: Re: hallucinogens In a message dated 1/13/98 1:13:35 PM, hannah@conwaycorp.net wrote: <> With the amount of messed up druggies in this world, there's like no such thing as "pure" marajuana....a lot of times it's laced with acid or PCP. To me, drugs are terrible, b/c I've seen what they can do to people. I think most people who use drugs are too immature to deal with the reality of life. Life isn't always rainbows...we have to take the occasional storms too. julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:41:52 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. I've noticed somebody (don't remember who) who has the Tori signature quote "Anyone who doesn't believe in faeries isn't worth talking to". Now, I know that my ass will be toasted after this one. But is it perhaps possible that some of the people who believe in faeries only do so not because Tori does, but because they are afraid of being seen as unworthy in her eyes? Just a thought. Flame now or forever hold your matches. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:42:57 -0800 From: rain Subject: no no pot is not considered a hallucinogen in the text books, and julie,respectfully, i dont know where you live but bud laced with acid?? thats not even possible to my knowledge. acid has to be ingested. and keep in mind that not everybody that does drugs is trying to escape from reality. tori smokes pot, shrooms, does that wierd hallucinogenic plant root, ect. and we all respect her right? i can understand a person having bad experiences with drugs and therfore having a soured outlook on them but please dont make us all come across as nasty little crack addicts just because we indulge in the peace pipe a bit... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:36:55 EST From: Lil3rthqks Subject: Fwd: Ashre This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_884727415_boundary Content-ID: <0_884727415@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII duh, i forgot to send this to the entire list! - --part0_884727415_boundary Content-ID: <0_884727415@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Lil3rthqks Return-path: To: hanna89@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Ashre Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:51:27 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-12 20:07:11 EST, you write: << I just read what ashre meant yesterday on a Tori interview, but I completely forgot. Does anyone know? ~Hanna~ >> i'm not sure if this is the "Ashre" Tori meant, but i found an "Asherah" listed in The New Book of Goddesses". i hope this helps!: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "From a root meaning 'straight', this Canaanite goddess derived a name that implied not only the moral recititude she demanded of her followers but also the upright posts or living trees in which they percieved her essence. 'Wet nurse of the gods' and 'she who gives birth' to seventy of them, Asherah was one of the Ugaritic mother goddesses. Not only did she physically nurture the gods--and human rulers too--she offered spiritual sustenance through her oracular wizards. She was the force of life, experienced as benevolent and enduring, found in flocks of cattle and groves of trees, evoked in childbirth and at planting time. The character of "Lady Asherah of the Sea" (her full name) is vague and unclear, coming down as it does to us predominantly through the writings of her sworn enemies, the patriarchal Hebrews who often, perhaps deliberatly, confused her with Astarte (which they spelled Ashtoreth). But this official view did not coincide with popular opinion. In the Old Testament we can read the catalog of a centuries-long campaign against the joyfully orgiastic rites of this benevolent goddess. Asherah would apparently be rooted out of the people's hearts, only to re-emerge, giving rise to another wave of reforms. Queen Maacah, mother of Asa and Jezebel, publicly worshipped her; Hebrew zealots, however, took the life of Jezebel on the charge of "harlotry" during festivals of the goddess. But so popular did the worship of Asherah remain that there is substantial eveidence that she was worshipped, with all attendant public plaesures, within the Jerusalem temple itself. - --part0_884727415_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:22:00 -0800 (PST) From: Lanna Chidester Subject: Re: other pieces of Tori . . . hi all i beleive if you look in the "images and insights" book there are pics of tori playing her piano nude.. or that is a pretty sheer shirt.. there are a series of photos of her at her piano across and in the first one she has clothes on but further on.. the piano blocks alot in most of the shots but... i got the book for christmas and laughed when i saw that... anyways maybe i am imagining things... ttyl lanna/gemenai - ---raisin girl wrote: > > > speaking of this pic and nudity, i heard that she did a totally nude photo > with her piano a while back...some mag like playboy (but not that popular). > does anyone know anything about this?? a friend of mine saw it. > > leah > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 16:12:51 -0500 From: Hannah Subject: Re: Re: hallucinogens To >me, drugs are terrible, b/c I've seen what they can do to people. I think >most people who use drugs are too immature to deal with the reality of life. >Life isn't always rainbows...we have to take the occasional storms too. > >julie please don't get me wrong, i don't endorse drug use. i am now 22, but when i was 16 i was a little more naive. i was the goody two shoes girl who had to prove that she was cool. pot did open up my perceptions, but that was because i was too shallow to find out things for myself. i have seen the negative results of drug use, a lot of it has come to my attention recently. i do not use any drugs , and i rarely drink; not that this is some sort of testament that shows what a pure, wonderful person i am or anything...i am a live and let live sort of person (in the words of Dr. Pat McGraw: "Folks is just folks...") but i didn't want my question to snowball. i personally think that drugs are unnecessary and i don't understand people who do use them; but i am not perfect, and i refuse to condemn others simply because their ideas and values don't match up with mine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:33:45 -0800 From: ButterFliKip Subject: Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. >I've noticed somebody (don't remember who) who has the Tori signature >quote "Anyone who doesn't believe in faeries isn't worth talking to". >Now, I know that my ass will be toasted after this one. But is it >perhaps >possible that some of the people who believe in faeries only do so not >because Tori does, but because they are afraid of being seen as unworthy >in her eyes? Just a thought. Flame now or forever hold your matches. Natalie (no flames, I agree! :) I think you have a valid point there.. I know that when I used to get really into something, i Would take on the beliefs etc of that, probably out of my own insecurity. Maybe thats the case with some people? toodles kip* - -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* i was upset the other day, I was like "oh dear god!!! why does life have to amount to this??!!" -Jenifa Carter, on our obsessive relationship with each other ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:21:26 EST From: Lil3rthqks Subject: Re: Least Favorite Tori Song In a message dated 98-01-13 02:11:05 EST, krishan@pc.jaring.my writes: << Anyway, my least fav Tori song is probably Marianne, from BfP. I don't hate it exactly, but it's always the song I feel like skipping, and it's probably because I can get to CALS faster. :) >> about Marianne, i like it and i don't...the piano by itself is beautiful, but the lyrics just sound funny and out-of-place. i mean, you hear this pretty melody, then "tuna rubber a little blubber"??? does anyone feel that way, like Troi's lyrics just sound odd in some songs? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:50:38 -0500 From: Len Alan Denby Subject: Covering Tori songs Hi Everybody, I would like to thank everybody for answering my question about your least favorite Tori song. Now, I have another question. Y'all know that Tori likes to cover other artist songs, like Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and Jimi Hendrix's "If 6 was 9." What Tori's song would you like another artist to cover? Name the artist and the song. I would like for Marilyn Manson to cover "Crucify" and "God." Len ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:56:15 -0600 From: Laryza Morales Subject: Re: hallucinogens JEDAS1 wrote: > With the amount of messed up druggies in this world, there's like no > such > thing as "pure" marajuana....a lot of times it's laced with acid or > PCP. To > me, drugs are terrible, b/c I've seen what they can do to people. I > think > most people who use drugs are too immature to deal with the reality of > life. > Life isn't always rainbows...we have to take the occasional storms > too. > > julie I think to generalize people who use drugs as "too immature to deal with the reality of life" might be a little bit harsh. People do things for different reasons. Some start out of curiosity and get to the point where they need it emotionally, and others do it purely out of boredom. But one thing is for sure ... it isn't an addictive drug (although for those few, it may become some sort of emotional attachment). I know plenty of people who use marijuana, so I know first-hand what kind of effects it has on them and why exactly most people tend to do it. They use it to have fun. Just like when people drink to have fun. The thing that bothers me is that because it is illegal it is considered harmful and wrong. Whereas, alcohol gets less disapproval from most people because it is legal. Alcohol tends to dull the senses, and for some people, will cause a period of time where they can't control their actions and some memory loss. But, senses with the use of marijuana are a little bit more controlled and the memory loss (for most) is nonexistent. Anyway, my whole point was that you can't just make that sort of assumption about a person's instability with life, its reality, and their inability to handle it just because they do something that society doesn't approve of. I mean ... when someone sees a person drinking alcohol at a party the conclusion of that persons actions is accepted. Most people see it as someone drinking to have fun or socialize, not someone who is not stable and has some real personal issues. That was just a ramble and a purely personal interpretation and opinion of the subject. If I offended anyone, I am sorry. - -L- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:59:32 -0600 From: Laryza Morales Subject: Re: hallucinogens Hannah wrote: > i personally think that drugs are unnecessary and i don't understand > people who do use them; but i am not perfect, and i refuse to condemn > others simply because their ideas and values don't match up with mine. Well put. I agree with that statement completely. - -L- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:10:33 EST From: Cindergirl Subject: least fave/kate bush/GE/hallucinogens/etc Hello everyone. I usually don't post a lot, so this is exceptionally long for me. First of all, my least favorite Tori song. I guess I can stand them all, but there are some I don't like including: Girl Mother Not the Red Baron Putting the Damage On Now for all you Kate Bush fans out there: On account of all the discussions about her lately, I decided to go the local record store and pick up something by her. What I came home with was her 1989 release "The Sensual World". I really loved it, not as much as some other musicians but i loved it all the same. Now for my question. I noticed on a few of the tracks that on guitar it credited Dave Gilmour. Is this the same David Gilmour from the band Pink Floyd (which I love so much)? Great Expectations:I bought it, I loved it! what else can I say? I was surprised by the style of the Weiland song,but I loved it too. Hallucinogens, and on the subject of pot. No I would not consider pot to be a hallucinogen. Nearly everyone of my friends is on or has been on pot (although I've never touched it honestly) and it did nothing to make me assume it is a hallucinogen. Well that's all for now. Sorry so little had to do with Tori! later! **Tory Currier** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:32:39 EST From: MRDucks2 Subject: Re: Tori quote i think the address is ToriQuote@mailbox.by.net or el_perry@ACAD.FANDM.EDU Love claiborne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: Least Favorite Tori Song On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Lil3rthqks wrote: > about Marianne, i like it and i don't...the piano by itself is beautiful, but > the lyrics just sound funny and out-of-place. i mean, you hear this pretty > melody, then "tuna rubber a little blubber"??? does anyone feel that way, > like Troi's lyrics just sound odd in some songs? I definately think she got a little weird and outof joint at times in BfP. i still love and respect her, but sometimes here lyrics in BfP (not all just some) don't make sense, no matter how hard oyu try to understand them. Jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:45:33 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: Covering Tori songs Hmmm, If it could be anyone (past or present) I'd want Pink Floyd to cover Past the Mission. I love Pink Floyd and Past the Missoin is the perfect song for them. If it had to be someone around today. Hmm, that's harder.Annie Lennox and Sting covering Muhammmed My Friend would be gorgeous. Jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:43:05 EST From: Superwax2 Subject: Re: Covering Tori songs i think that since tori covered a cure song...lovesong, of course, that the cure should cover a tori song...maybe london girls....london girls is a good song...and hey, robert smith IS from england! (okay, so that really doesn't have anything to do with it...but so goes life.) or maybe REM could do a cover of past the mission. (hey, i'd buy it!) love, Sam Poets have been mysteriously quiet on the subject of cheese. - -G.K. Chesterson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:22:30 -0800 From: Banana Queen Subject: Hallucinogens Well, I have known a lot of people who have smoked pot, done acid and shrooms and various other drugs. I would have to say that half of those people got really messed up because they 1) did it for the wrong reasons and 2) were very irresponisble with it and did far too much too often. The other half of those people have no problems. They have had no ill effects from any kind of those drugs. In my opinion, pot and shrooms and most "natural" type drugs if used in a responsible and I guess...."occasional" manner are perfectly okay. Drugs like crack, cocaine and crank on the other hand are the ones we should be putting down if we are going to be putting any drugs down at all. Alcohol too. I believe that in the case of drugs such as pot and shrooms, it is the user that causes the most of the harm..... in my humble opinion anyway. =0) I also wanted to bring up another more light-hearted subject. In the song "Sister Janet" I think it is in the second verse...maybe even second chorus I think you can actually hear her hit/lift her foot off the pedal...For some strange reason I absolutely LOVE that sound. I would have to say that that is probably my fav "second" of the song. Along with her "Heyeahyes.." near the end. Absolutely Fabulous. Anyone else have a favorite "Moment" in a song? - --Banana Queen "Dreams made up for the Banana King....This is not a conclusion, no revolution, just a little confusion on where you're head has been." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:00:49 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Marianne I feel the exact same way about Marianne. The opening is so beautiful, and then Tori busts out with "tuna, rubber, a little blubber".....and I was like, huh? I usually skip it and go on to CALS. People have mentioned how non-EWFs think that Tori is a lesbian.....well, here is my tale. Today, while in school, someone caught a glimpse of my English notebook, which has a picture of Tori taped to it. When I told him who it was, he said, oh, you mean that lesbian?? The irony of the story is that there was a picture of David Bowie right below Tori.....and Bowie is bisexual, but this guy didn't mention Bowie's pic at all. Hmm. I asked what his reasoning was for thinking Tori speaks Lebanese, and his reply was that she just looked like a lesbian. Why? Because she happened to be wearing no makeup and prissy clothes? DAMN, do I hate gender roles. GRRR. Now I'll get off my soapbox for a while. Natalie She could make myths of the barbed penis, the rod of punishment that was bleeding her anemic. - --Marge Piercy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:19:17 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Covering Tori songs Tori's covers are fabulous because she puts her own spin on things, and doesn't resort to just a cheap copy of the original. The songs I would like to see her cover are too numerous to list!!! But here are some of the highlights...... 1) Venus in Furs by the Velvet Underground 2) Gimme Shelter or Sympathy for the Devil by the Rolling Stones 3) Anything by Bowie, but most of all China Girl, Ashes to Ashes, or Black Tie White Noise I'm sure I'll think of more later. Until then...... Natalie She could make myths of the barbed penis, the rod of punishment that was bleeding her anemic. - --Marge Piercy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:08:35 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Least Favorite Tori Song Hello, Subash, and welcome to the Good Ship Lollipop. I myself am new to the list, but the people on it are great (that's me trying to ingratiate myself...LOL). I am not particularly fond of Marianne myself, but there are many other Tori songs that I dislike even more. I already posted them, so I won't clutter up the list further with them. See you around. Natalie She could make myths of the barbed penis, the rod of punishment that was bleeding her anemic. - --Marge Piercy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:06:28 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:33:45 -0800 ButterFliKip writes: (no flames, I agree! :) >I think you have a valid point there.. I know that when I used to get >really into something, i Would take on the beliefs etc of that, >probably >out of my own insecurity. Maybe thats the case with some people? >toodles >kip* Gee, thanks!!! I'm so used to people slamming on me in the Tori rooms online (that's why I don't go to them anymore) that this is a pleasant surprise!! I guess the people on the list are a bit more mature than the AOL kids. My co-dependent walked into a Tori room once just in time to watch three girls arguing about how each was a bigger slut than the others :( I find that very sad. Natalie She could make myths of the barbed penis, the rod of punishment that was bleeding her anemic. - --Marge Piercy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:46:20 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: Re: Re: hallucinogens In a message dated 1/13/98 5:17:20 PM, hannah@conwaycorp.net wrote: <> I didn't get you wrong at all! :) But I know everyone is not perfect. I don't "condemn" people for their different views. I do think less of some of my ex friends only in the sense that they know what they're doing is bad for them....they just don't care...I mean, they can't remember one thing from the next b/c they're always stoned. It gets on my nerves, that's why i don't even accept their phonecalls. All they talk about is themselves and if I have a problem, it's never as big as theirs. They make me sick. julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:47:56 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: This drug thread Umm, folks, I don't wanna net.cop here, but . . . Could we please kill the drug thread? /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:50:29 EST From: Cindy26471 Subject: tori screen saver do any of you know if there is any such thing as a tori screen saver? one of my friends says that she has seen one. please help. thanks. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:06:51 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: Hallucinogens In a message dated 1/13/98 7:50:02 PM, pagina@texhoma.net wrote: <> I love listening to Toodles Mr. Jim...in the beginning if you listen closely you can hear her laugh! julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:04:07 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: Re: hallucinogens >>Some start out of curiosity and get to the point where they need it emotionally, and others do it purely out of boredom. But one thing is for sure ... it isn't an addictive drug (although for those few, it may become some sort of emotional attachment).But, senses with the use of marijuana are a little bit more controlled and the memory loss (for most) is nonexistent.<< I know what you mean about people being curious. I mean, my friends did it a few times and then moved on. They told me that it was a stupid habit to get into and I personally think chronic potheads are immature and stupid. Take my cousin, who's barely passing high school b/c of it. This one girl I know smokes up EVERY day and she can't remember ANYTHING. I mean it when I say anything. She can't remember if she drank orange juice in the morning. You have to kind of stop and wonder what the benefits of it is. Besides...I heard it makes you fat!! julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:13:06 -0800 (PST) From: Lanna Chidester Subject: Re: okc "lovesong" i think she is specifically after the one from the performance in oklahoma city on the ddi tour. also if anyone has a copy of the tulsa ddi show or parts of it please please please tell me!! i have been looking for a boot since about 2 months after the show... thanks :) lanna/gemenai - ---Natalie T Ballard wrote: > > There are some downloadable wavs of lovesong on the web. Someone once > sent me a copy via email, but my mom deleted it :( > Has anyone heard Tori's cute quirky version of "Whoomp! There is is"? > Natalie > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:58:24 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: no In a message dated 1/13/98 5:37:37 PM, faerie@mbay.net wrote: <> Acid can be laced in pot as far as I've been told, I'm in NY by the way. I have had friends who have smoked pot and then hallucinated. It happened to everyone else in the room, so it wasn't just this one person. Sure we all respect Tori, but I don't understand her way of thinking. I read once in an article that "people shouldn't be pumping themselves full of drugs" -yet in the same article, admitted to doing drugs herself. That's hypocrisy. I never said anything to make you all come across as nasty crack heads or anything like that, but EVERY single person I know who is on drugs, even pot, is an idiot. They are too immature to deal with their surroundings, and they admitted to it. Each to his own, of course, I just don't agree with it. I mean, maybe you really don't see it coming from my point of view. Perhaps if you had to watch family members and friends throw their lives away you'd see it from my point of view. I think it's sick that some people have to actually kill brain cells to enjoy their lives more. julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:41:06 PST From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. <> I agree and back you up completely, and I to am running the same risk as you backing it up, but I presonally am not sure if I believe in faeries, but I also heard I think from someone on this list that when Tori said that she also means open-minded people, it's kind of like, "Anyone who isn't open-minded isn't worth talking to..." like that. But maybe Im just imagining all this shit, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. ~Hanna~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:33:03 -0800 From: Banana Queen Subject: Re: okc "lovesong" speaking of OKC....anyone on the list in Oklahoma? Just curious. I live here....Don't like it much but I'll keep my comments to myself. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:42:15 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: Covering Tori songs Natalie mentioned wanting hear Tori cover Sympathy for the Devil by the Rollling Stones. I too would really like to hear her do that. Another I'd like would be Dust in the Wind by Kansas. Jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:56:08 -0500 From: geministar@webtv.net Subject: Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. I'm sorry, but wasn't there already a lengthy post-war on this subject? I'm actually glad that someone included that quote in their post, because it proves that I'm not the only one to have read that Tori said it. What people believe in is their own perogative, and those who adopt others beliefs just to emmulate them need some direction in their lives. But on the other hand, those that try new experiences and new hobbies or thoughts or what have you just for the sake of trying to develop their own distict personalities by merging different concepts are smart, because they know that the influence of others can benefit, not just hinder, themselves. "maybe I'm a witch, lost in time . . ." ~geministar* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:46:14 EST From: ChinaDust Subject: Re: Least Favorite Tori Song (Marianne) << << Anyway, my least fav Tori song is probably Marianne, from BfP. I don't hate it exactly, but it's always the song I feel like skipping, and it's probably because I can get to CALS faster. :) >> about Marianne, i like it and i don't...the piano by itself is beautiful, but the lyrics just sound funny and out-of-place. i mean, you hear this pretty melody, then "tuna rubber a little blubber"??? does anyone feel that way, like Troi's lyrics just sound odd in some songs? >> Marianne is (one of) my favorite song, which I listen to even more than Caught.... I had a prob with the lyrics at the very beginning because I couldn't understand them, but then it all sort of took on a real vague shape in my head, and I could feel it better. About the "tuna rubber a little blubber in my igloo" thing...I found a Tori quote on Toriphoria: "'Tuna/Rubber/A little blubber in my igloo...' For me to say that line in another way would just make it really gross and crass." Now, the first thought that hit my head was that the igloo was a female sex organ (thinking of the shape), the RUBBER...and then I saw that she also said "...represents the death of girlhood," and my head took it's own path for the meaning of the tuna line. Now, this is a purely personal interpretation of her comment that Tori made, so, if anyone proves me wrong, y'know. *shrug* Just being self-indulgent about my favorite song. Eileen **************** "We can have justice whenever those who have not been injured by injustice are as outraged by it as those who have been." -- Solon ( 594 B.C.) ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #16 ************************************