From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #9 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, January 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: GOD by Tori Amos....... [Ashley Blaize ] Re: WLIR-KIVES Unplugged [Ashley Blaize ] Video compilation [Beth Winegarner ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . ["Tori's Boys" ] Re: aha! [Ken Tough ] Re: aha! [Ruthless ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . [Mikewhy ] Great Expectations - Update ["Planet Tori" ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . [Ken Tough ] Re: aha! [BrandyB24 ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . ["Kelly M. Smith" ] Father Lucifer lyric [JLee833093@aol.com] Re: Father Lucifer lyric [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Great Expectations problems.. [NINMANSON1 ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . [Mikewhy ] naughty tori [rain ] Re: naughty tori [Page Comstock ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . [Page Comstock ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . [Mikewhy ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . ["Tori's Boys" ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . [Mikewhy ] Re: naughty tori [Page Comstock ] Nursing pigs [Sara Hansen ] toris pig [rain ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . ["Ken" ] Re: Nursing pigs [Mikewhy ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Nursing pigs [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: Video compilation [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: pieces of Tori . . . [LCS27 ] Naughty Tori Solution! [Ashley Blaize ] Re: pieces of Tori . . . [Alicia ] Re: toris pig [MaidenShru ] "lovesong" [Page Comstock ] Re: Naughty Tori Solution! [BrandyB24 ] moon thing? [rain ] Re: Nursing pigs [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Re: Nursing pigs [Jessie L Ksanznak ] more piggy nursing [rain ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:56:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: Re: GOD by Tori Amos....... OOOOOOooooo!!!!!!! For once I actually have useful info for the list. THat part that you can hardly hear is a vers in the Bible. It is: "Give not thy strength unto women nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings." Wow! That's my first useful post :) === From, Ashley Blaize ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tea With the Waitress - http://waitress.home.ml.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you know of any great Tori news or any insights, please let me know for my page! E-mail me at: nacho@comsource.net or Boy4pele@hotmail.com or Boy4pele@rocketmail.com Thanks so much! Take care, Live Well and have Fun! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: Re: WLIR-KIVES Unplugged The CD is lovely. I love the version of Hey Jupiter on it. And the No Doubt song is great. It's not the entire band, just guitar and Gwen :) The Joan Osborne songs are great too! Tori doesn't get much airplay here either, which I find to be odd, but great all the same! I'm so scared that the new album will spark tons of airplay, and that would get harry. Not to touch on the "posers" deal again, but I dunno. Tori's so personal the way she is, I couldn't stand her being super popular. But another aspect is that some people find Tori to be, well... too wierd for their taste. I think that's just great! She's only wierd to the people without depth. That's why we Ears With Feet are such a rare kind! TAke Care! === From, Ashley Blaize ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tea With the Waitress - http://waitress.home.ml.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you know of any great Tori news or any insights, please let me know for my page! E-mail me at: nacho@comsource.net or Boy4pele@hotmail.com or Boy4pele@rocketmail.com Thanks so much! Take care, Live Well and have Fun! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:22:31 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Video compilation Hey all, I was just looking at the Weatherman Records site and saw an offer for this video collection: TORI AMOS COMPILATION $19 This is what you get on this tape The big picture 5/12/88 with videos, China Obrien from 9/88, MTV New artist spotlight from 3/26/92, David Lettermen Appearance from 4/24/92, Arsenio Hall show 9/10/92, Alan Havey 10/13/92, God Promo U.K. version, Cornflake girl Promo U.K. version, Cornflake girl U.S version, Pretty Good Year Promo, Past the Mission Promo, Today Show from 2/24/94, Tonight show from 2/11/94, Pretty Good year on Friday night videos 2/19/94, Icicle Friday night videos 3/11/94, letterman from 3/8/94, Good Morning America 3/30/94, The Box 3/94, Alternative nation 3/94, Conana Obrien 6/8/94, 120 Minutes 6/19/94, Letterman 6/8/94, Tonight show 8/17/94, Greg Kinnear 8/25/94, Award Presentation 12/7/94, Beavis and Butthead, Paul Reisers favorite album clip, and Tonight show 2/24/95. All on one tape!!!! Does anyone know if this is worth the $19, if it really has all these things on it and if the quality is any good? Thanks, Beth - -- "Watching storms start to form Over America -- can't do anything Just watch them swing with the wind Out to sea." (Kate Bush) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:26:29 +1030 From: "Tori's Boys" Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . Well actually, this photo is REAL!! It was taken by an Australian tabloid magazine called "People Magazine" It contains nude celebs, with centrefolds and stuff like that. The photo was taken at her 1994 Melbourne concert on 3rd of December, 1994. If anyone wants the photo, I have a scanned jpg of it. Cheers, Jeremy jcannon@camtech.net.au - -----Original Message----- From: ChinaDust To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: Thursday, 8 January 1998 16:55 Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . > >OH, I got that photo....it must have been photo manipulation...some australian >tabloid or something. The person who sent it even had us vote on it. *ech* > >Eileen > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:49:07 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: aha! violet@slip.net wrote: >>K: Who's Rabbit in that song? Tori: Rabbit is a Deadhead, who lives >in >>Northern California. Rabbit is a girl. She lives in the forest, >>and makes beads, and she lives with Fox...I wished I could have been >>Rabbit! >Although for the sake of the ending of Cornflake Girl, I far prefer her >other explanation, because I don't know "Rabbit-the-Deadhead," but I'm >all-too-familiar with THIS rabbit: > "The second verse, it just supports that whole thing. "Rabbit, > where'd you put the keys, girl?" Rabbit, in certain Indian > traditions, it represents fear." Rabbit is also English (cockney rhyming) slang for 'talk'. (Rabbit. Where'd you put the keys, girl). It is usually meant in the sense of "she would just rabbit on", though. I don't think this has any connection with Tori's usage, but it is an interesting coincidence. For those who understand the concept of rhyming slang, it's from "rabbit and 'pork' (talk)". For those who don't, just forget I mentioned it. - -- Ken Tough Don't think me unkind \ Words are hard to find ken@objectech.co.uk They're only cheques I've left unsigned Cornwall, U.K. From the banks of chaos in my mind ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:39:10 GMT0BST From: Ruthless Subject: Re: aha! Hi all, Violet I enjoyed reading your remarks about Rabbit especially the part about it meaning fear in some Indian traditions. However, when I first heard the song and the parts pertaining to rabbit I immediately thought of Trudi Chase. yes, the woman with over 50 personalities. One of her personailites was a child named Rabbit who held the keys to all of the other personailities. When I asked Tori about this connection her eyes turned wide and she said that wasn't intended but people have a way of sneaking into my songs because they need to be heard too. Then she asked for the book entitled When Rabbit Howls- in the book there lies the line Rabbit where'd you put the keys. I forget exactly where the line is but it is near the end of the book. Cheers, Ruth "A few witches burning it gets a little toasty here." Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:19:10 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . Jeremy said: >Well actually, this photo is REAL!! > >It was taken by an Australian tabloid magazine called "People Magazine" It >contains nude celebs, with centrefolds and stuff like that. The photo was >taken at her 1994 Melbourne concert on 3rd of December, 1994. I am sorry, but I am *very certain* that this photo is a fake. Tori simply would not do that sort of thing (not that I am saying it would be bad, just out of character). There is no doubt in my mind that it is fake. A damn good fake, but a fake nonetheless. Photoshop can do anything at the hands of a skilled artist. Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:01:57 +0000 From: "Planet Tori" Subject: Great Expectations - Update Gday again EWF..... Sorry but this is the fastest way to reach the majority of you that have emailed us complaning that you (fellow Australian Toriphiles) cannot find the two new Great Expectations Soundtracks.. Ok, it is NOT yet available at your local CD store ie HMV , Brashes etc.. but only thru Import like say Gaslight in Mel or Redeye in Sydney. Prices start at about $37.98 and up... And currently all Imports are sold out until next week. Please email us privatly ( dont post to this list ) and we will do our very best to tell you how to get your own copies. All current release dates are available in our News Room.. RDT Maria and Terry PLANET TORI http://www.geocities.com/~planettori Please use our email (NOT spacedog addresses) planettori@geocities.com - --------------------------------------------- She's a Beauty Queen, my sweet bean bag in the street Tori Amos... Opening verse Boys For Pele - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:11:32 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . Mikewhy wrote: >>It was taken by an Australian tabloid magazine called "People Magazine" It >>contains nude celebs, with centrefolds and stuff like that. The photo was >>taken at her 1994 Melbourne concert on 3rd of December, 1994. >I am sorry, but I am *very certain* that this photo is a fake. Tori simply >would not do that sort of thing (not that I am saying it would be bad, just >out of character). There is no doubt in my mind that it is fake. A damn >good fake, but a fake nonetheless. Photoshop can do anything at the hands >of a skilled artist. It should be possible to put this thing to rest, if someone goes back and looks for any (other) press cuttings or fan photos from the 3-Dec-1994 Melbourne concert. Undoubtedly many fans got meet & greet pictures that day, and many fans took cameras into the gig. If her clothes don't match those in the "nudey pic", then it is an obvious fake. (If the clothes do match, then we're no further ahead.) - -- Ken Tough ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:40:47 EST From: BrandyB24 Subject: Re: aha! So Rabbit Is Truddi Chase? Is that what you are saying? I am kinda confused now... If this is the case then the song has a Cornflake Girl has a totally new meaning for me. The whole story is sad really. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Kelly M. Smith" Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Mikewhy wrote: > I am sorry, but I am *very certain* that this photo is a fake. Tori simply > would not do that sort of thing (not that I am saying it would be bad, just > out of character). There is no doubt in my mind that it is fake. A damn > good fake, but a fake nonetheless. Photoshop can do anything at the hands > of a skilled artist. Actually, I stumbled upon this picture one day on the internet and I'm sure that it is real. It was quite traumatizing. I never wanted to see Tori like that, but I don't think that this had anything to do with Tori doing something out of character for her. In fact, I think that it was just an accident that happened. Tori didn't plan for it to happen. She was just playing piano, sitting the way that she usually does in concert... and oops, her skirt rides up a little too high and some idiot gets a picture of it... Have a nice day :) Kelly :) "Black holes are where God divided by zero." :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:53:46 -0500 (EST) From: JLee833093@aol.com Subject: Father Lucifer lyric Hi again! By any chance, would any of you people know what reference Tori is making when she says "Tell me that you're still in love with that milkmaid?" Personally, I always thought it reminded me of the character Tess from the book Tess of the D'Urbervilles. I'm just wondering if Tori ever came out and explained that line herself before. Hmm.... Joanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:41:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: Father Lucifer lyric On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 JLee833093@aol.com wrote: > By any chance, would any of you people know what reference Tori is making > when she says "Tell me that you're still in love with that milkmaid?" I always thought it was kind of like a reversal of the wife having an affair with the mailman. Jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:32:21 EST From: NINMANSON1 Subject: Great Expectations problems.. Hello. Ive been hearing alot about people having trouble getting copies of the soundtrack. Id be MORE than happy to purchase copies for anyone who needs one if they send money, I know how frustrating it is not to be able to get something because of these problems, plus being australian i want to help you all out, even if you arent australian! Let me know anyone who needs it. Kat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:37:05 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . Kelly wrote: >Actually, I stumbled upon this picture one day on the internet and I'm >sure that it is real. It was quite traumatizing. I never wanted to see >Tori like that, but I don't think that this had anything to do with Tori >doing something out of character for her. In fact, I think that it was >just an accident that happened. Tori didn't plan for it to happen. She was >just playing piano, sitting the way that she usually does in concert... >and oops, her skirt rides up a little too high and some idiot gets a >picture of it... Tori knows how she sits in concert and if she was wearing a short skirt, I am sure she would be sure to wear underwear! Tori's legs are often open wide while she plays, at least at the concerts I have seen. She would have to be drunk to forget this, and as much as Tori likes drinking I think she is quite sober and most shows! I still bet my paycheck for the next year that it is a fake! :) Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:25:09 -0800 From: rain Subject: naughty tori although i have heard that tori has played several concerts without much underneath, this photo to me looks quite fake just because it is a bit to detailed under the skirt. i dont think that much would show up that clearly if she was really nude underneath. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:17:47 -0800 From: Page Comstock Subject: Re: naughty tori ok i have a correction to make. i know from a very reliable source that tori does in fact go pantiless occasionally but the pic IS FAKE. =0) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:12:18 -0800 From: Page Comstock Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . i have heard about this incident before....not sure about this but if i can remember right Tori did it on purpose (not wearing underwear). i cannot remember any details as of WHY she did it but i am pretty sure it did happen and it was planned. i doubt the PICTURE was planned though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:34:14 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . Page Comstock said: >i have heard about this incident before....not sure about this but if i >can remember right Tori did it on purpose (not wearing underwear). i >cannot remember any details as of WHY she did it but i am pretty sure it >did happen and it was planned. i doubt the PICTURE was planned though. You will have to do better than that to convince me ;) Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:12:17 +1030 From: "Tori's Boys" Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . Hi everyone, Mikeway, you seem totally convinced that Tori would never do such as thing. We all know that Tori can be pretty naughty when the faeries too her to be, and it's not TOTALLY out of character for Tori to be doing this at ONE or TWO of her shows. If you look at the 94/95 tour schedule, Australia was the last country she visited and Melbourne was her opening night in Australia. Maybe she felt a bit naughty at the end of the tour?? Bye, Jeremy >Tori knows how she sits in concert and if she was wearing a short skirt, I >am sure she would be sure to wear underwear! Tori's legs are often open >wide while she plays, at least at the concerts I have seen. She would have >to be drunk to forget this, and as much as Tori likes drinking I think she >is quite sober and most shows! I still bet my paycheck for the next year >that it is a fake! :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:19:28 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . Jeremy said: >Mikeway, you seem totally convinced that Tori would never do such as thing. >We all know that Tori can be pretty naughty when the faeries too her to be, >and it's not TOTALLY out of character for Tori to be doing this at ONE or >TWO of her shows. If you look at the 94/95 tour schedule, Australia was the >last country she visited and Melbourne was her opening night in Australia. >Maybe she felt a bit naughty at the end of the tour?? Tori can certainly be naughty, but I don't think she would do that. I could be wrong, I Know, but I don't think I am. I am not saying it would be a bad thing. I just don't see Tori doing it. I will believe it when I see proof :) Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:10:14 -0800 From: Page Comstock Subject: Re: naughty tori although i have heard that tori has played several concerts without much underneath, this photo to me looks quite fake just because it is a bit to detailed under the skirt. i dont think that much would show up that clearly if she was really nude underneath. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tori DOES go pantiless sometimes but that photo WAS FAKE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:29:11 -0600 From: Sara Hansen Subject: Nursing pigs Hello everyone... I realize that I'm a lurker but I had to ask this of all of you: What do you all think is the symbolism behind Tori nursing a pig inside BfP? I've always thought it was a pretty cool picture, kind of symbolic I suppose but I can't really explain it. I'm asking because I printed the picture and put it on my Chemistry binder. This horrid obnoxious boy that sits next to me won't leave me alone about it! He keeps trying to tell me that it's pornography. That, in itself, is absurd. When I try to tell him that it's just a picture and to just leave me alone he always says "BUT IT'S A PIG!!!" I can't lose arguments. It's an obsession of mine. I thought that if I could explain to him what the picture means, or tell him what Tori herself said about the picture, maybe he would at least consider that it's something more that "a pig sucking on a nipple" or "animal pornography." (Aren't animals always naked, though?) I'm not especially concerned about this boy's opinion, but it kind of got me thinking. And this boy whose opinion I am *VERY* concerned about sits not too far from me, and... well I just wanted to know what all of you thought. I never jump in on the big conversations so I thought I'd start one. ;o) oh yeah I just got the Talula single two nights ago, and I love it! I'm listening to it right now. Ok I'll stop wasting everyone's time now. Love, Sara/Mrs. Beck Hansen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe." -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:45:57 -0800 From: rain Subject: toris pig the whole bfp booklet and especially the pig nursing photo was about not being afraid to look at what is considered ugly or not kosher and nurturing it and all that stuff. tori did a bunch of stuff that society generally considers taboo. like setting the piano on fire and nursing a pig. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:59:41 -0500 From: "Ken" Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . I guess that when Tori sings in Blood Roses "I shaved every place where you been", she wasn't kidding :) Boo, shame on me. I couldn't resist. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:08:13 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: Nursing pigs Sara asks: >What do you all think is the symbolism behind Tori nursing a pig inside >BfP? Okay, I am posting a little much today, but it is that rare day I have free time ! You can read all about the piglet photo and quotes Tori has said about its meaning at this section of my site: http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/piglet.html That should help! In case you don't have net access, I have enclosed it at the end of this email. Yours in Tori, Mikewhy On a radio interview with talk show host Michael Jackson, she says, "The picture represents that which is hidden, that which we're ashamed of, the non-kosher. To bring it back home, to nurse it, to nurture it. There's so much that's hidden about our feelings that makes us crazy, that makes us do things to ourselves and other people which causes all this pain. So this is about freeing that and acknowledging it." At her Virgin megastore in-store appearance in May 1996, she basically ties this idea to Christian upbringing, "You hid what you were really thinking, it was shameful, it was wrong." In another interview on CFNY radio in January 1996, Tori elaborates on this point, "being a minister's daughter..there's so many things that weren't discussed...so much about sensuality and passion and woman's bodies..and woman's stuff.. and you know.. I remember a woman breast feeding a baby..and..my father was like putting his hands over my eyes..." In an April 1996 Keyboard Review Article, Tori delcares, "I'm not a victim to marketing. Don't kid yourself: there's no picture that goes out that I can't live with.... I work with Cindy Palmano, who's an amazing photographer; I want to portray certain things visually, and I do." During Tori's appearance at the Virgin Megastore in May 1996, she said this is response to the inevitable piglet question, "That's my Christmas shot, my Madonna and child. My father's been wanting me to do Christmas cards for years." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:11:41 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Page Comstock wrote: > i have heard about this incident before....not sure about this but if i > can remember right Tori did it on purpose (not wearing underwear). i > cannot remember any details as of WHY she did it but i am pretty sure it > did happen and it was planned. i doubt the PICTURE was planned though. "I heard somewhere" ain't reference enough. Dig up the details! /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:18:36 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Nursing pigs On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:29:11 -0600 Sara Hansen writes: > > >I can't lose arguments. It's an obsession of mine. I know exactly how you feel, because I'm the same way!!! I'm afraid I can't be much help, though. I used to know the meaning of the pic (or at least the roundabout answer that Tori gave in reference to it) but I totally forgot!!! I *do* know that the animal rights freaks got totally pissed about the picture because it was "cruel to the pig". My question is, how in God's name is it in any way cruel???? Just another example of the morons in this world. Natalie I forget how to move when my mouth is this dry and my eyes are bursting hearts in a bloodstained sky - --The Cure ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:20:03 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Video compilation Could I find this video in a retail store that you know of, or is it strictly mail order? Thanks, Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:57:49 EST From: LCS27 Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . I personally don't think Tori would do this either...BUT, I do think the pic is a real accident... If it were false and this were in a mag...Tori could easily sue. I just think it happens...I would never think she'd do this publicly on purpose, but it very well could've been an accident, so keep an open mind (MIKEWHY!!!!) She'll still be the same old Tori!!!! Jamie...under Laura's screenname...so direct the stuff to me, peoples! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:41:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: Naughty Tori Solution! Okay guys, I have our solution to this picture deal. There's a 16 year old horny Australian with an obsession with Tori, a hard on and Paint Shop Pro. There we go. *sigh* *giggle* (I just HAD to post this hehehehhe) === From, Ashley Blaize ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tea With the Waitress - http://waitress.home.ml.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you know of any great Tori news or any insights, please let me know for my page! E-mail me at: nacho@comsource.net or Boy4pele@hotmail.com or Boy4pele@rocketmail.com Thanks so much! Take care, Live Well and have Fun! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:24:49 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Re: pieces of Tori . . . >Tori can certainly be naughty, but I don't think she would do that. I >could be wrong, I Know, but I don't think I am. I am not saying it would >be a bad thing. I just don't see Tori doing it. I will believe it when I >see proof :) > >Mikewhy I'm not saying I think any of the point of views is right or wrong, I just think it's really cute the way Mikewhy defends Tori even if she costs him his paycheck. It doesn't matter to me whether she wears underwear or not. I mean, she could wear whatever she likes, her music would still be as breathtaking and beautiful as it is right now.=20 But I always thought you're innocent until you're proven guilty. Not that this is a crime, but you get the point. Bye, Alicia "I felt a painful stitch throughout my body that I knew stitched my tears to my soul. No longer would my weeping be separate from what I knew" -Tashi, in "Possessing the Secret of Joy"=20 by Alice Walker "How could I be so immature =20 To think that he could replace =09 The missing elements in me" =20 -Bj=F6rk =09 My atheist code (yes, yes, I copied you Wayne) ACv1.0 DUR3 STR1 BIT2 ACT1 DEF1 DEB4 CON1 SLM1 XTN1 PUB2=20 Smile - Its The Second Best Thing you can do with Your Lips. (a bumper sticker) =09 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:14:56 EST From: MaidenShru Subject: Re: toris pig okay...this is un tori related but *Rain* ~ i was wondering if you wrote that little....moon thing at the end of your mails b/c its beautiful. thats it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:32:12 -0800 From: Page Comstock Subject: "lovesong" this is a little bit late but i have been gone for a few days.... i heard her play the cure's "Lovesong" live when she played in OKC during the DDI tour...it was absolutely beautiful....she played it on the organ if i remember correctly. WOW. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:41:17 EST From: BrandyB24 Subject: Re: Naughty Tori Solution! I have to say that I say this picture add a Nude Celebrity website and it was odd how Tori and Farrah fawcet(who was getting out of a car) looked exactly the same. I agree Paint Shop Pro can do wonders. My couple of cents... brandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:00:01 -0800 From: rain Subject: moon thing? no i cannot take credit for the paragraph below, it was taken from a book by nancy collins called "midnight blue:the sonja blue collection" which by the way wasnt all that good depending on your tastes...but anyways, im glad you like it. take care ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MaidenShru wrote: > > okay...this is un tori related but *Rain* ~ i was wondering if you wrote that > little....moon thing at the end of your mails b/c its beautiful. thats it. - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:08:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: Nursing pigs On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Sara Hansen wrote: About the "pigture". I heard Tori say on the that it was up to the individual to find a meaning for it. i know this doesn't help. I myself am curoiu as to her thoughts on it. Jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: Nursing pigs On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Natalie T Ballard wrote: > I *do* know that the animal rights freaks got totally pissed about the > picture because it was "cruel to the pig". My question is, how in God's > name is it in any way cruel???? Just another example of the morons in > this world. I thought pigs were naturally breast fed. Well, I think it would be uncomfortable for anyone, it would be Tori. Pigs have teeth. Jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:30:45 -0800 From: rain Subject: more piggy nursing the idea of the pig nursing being cruel is silly-i remember tori saying that the pig actually fell asleep during the photo shoot and it was a very mothering feeling for tori...(that was from an interview on much music '96 for those who are curious) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #9 ***********************************