From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #5 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, January 5 1998 Volume 03 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Faeries [Alicia ] Difficult Albums [Alicia ] Re: YKTR [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: YKTR [Nadyne Mielke ] Re:Re:new person on the list [JLee833093@aol.com] Re: Unique Clones (was Really Important Tori News!!!) [Tori805 ] Re: YKTR [Richard Handal ] Re: Deconstructing Tori [Dan Vest ] Re: The Faeries [Anavrin560 ] Re: Unique Clones (was Really Important Tori News!!!) [ChinaDust ] Tori on Bootlegs [Beth Coulter ] Re: Really Important Tori News!!! [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ba] individuality and Toriphiles [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard] Tori/Kate article [WeirdyBoi ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #4 [kerry white ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:54:28 GMT From: Alicia Subject: The Faeries Geministar wrote: The only thing that I've read somewhere that applies is that she has >said that she will not have coffee (or tea, if you will), with anyone >who does not believe in faeries. > >Are you a believer, Joe? Hmm? > Umm, I would really like to have tea with her someday, but I don't really know who the faeries are (could somebody enlighten me on that?). I'm sure that, if I find out who they are, I won't have trouble believing in them.=20 Natalie wrote: >I think this is a rather poor example of decorum!! But truly, it amazes >me how many teenage girls believe in faeries just because Tori does. I >could rant and rave for hours about how people have lost any idea of >individuality (or worse, how people think they are individuals when they >look and act like everyone else), but I really don't have any explanation >for this. I suppose they'll grow out of it :) Just in case anybody was thinking I'm one of those teenagers, well maybe I am because I don't even know what the faeries are, but I'm still determined to believe in them. It's just that anythig realted to Tori looks fun for me to do. I played "Pretty Good Year" in the New Year, as soon as the clock struck 12:00. It's fun, and I really have no other explanation. =20 BTW, guess what? I found "Possessing the Secret of Joy" in this bilingual bookstore (I live in Chile) after searching for it in many others. I'm so happy.=20 Alicia ps: joe, I think your post was cute too :) =20 "How could I be so immature "so when we died I tried to bribe the undertaker=20 To think that he could replace cause I'm not sure The missing elements in me" what you're doin or the reasons" -Bj=F6rk -Tori =09 "I know the robins bring "I'm a tree that grows hearts (my love) bring me many things but one for each that you take"=20 Sugar -Bj=F6rk He brings me sugar as far as I can tell I've been gone for miles now" -Tori=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:54:08 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Difficult Albums Hello everyone!! Marcel Rijs wrote: >When I started buying records, in 1985, "The Dreaming" was one of the first >LP's I bought, and the first Kate Bush album. Boy - that was a difficult >one! The only song I knew was "Suspended in Gaffa" (which was a single in >1982 here in Holland) and "Sat in your lap" (a single in 1981). All the >other songs sounded terribly confusing and noisy. I took me a whole year to >actually appreciate all the songs on the album. I'd spent 20 Guilders on >that LP (Some $10, a fortune for a 15-year-old) and I wasn't about to give >up easily.=20 I felt exactly the same (well, maybe not *exactly*, but really really close) when I first listened to BfP. I was 14 (one year younger than now, but still, younger) and really loved CALS, but after I listened to Hey Jupiter, I stopped paying attention to it, and started chatting to my mom, then went to my room to watch TV and forgot that it was still playing. The following times I listened to it I was really confused with the short songs she does (Beauty Queen, Mr. Zebra, Way Down, Agent Orange), I had never heard *anything* like that. And the weird things she does with her voice, then her lyrics, all the things that make her music so special were new to me. =20 But later I started loving most of the songs. Only recently I've started to listen to "In the Springtime of his Voodoo" because the part which says "and right there for a minute I knew you so well" is so beautiful.=20 After that, LE was a little bit easier, I kind of knew what to expect, so it was easier to listen to. Then UtP was like I had known the songs before.=20 Thanks to that I think that I can understand much more. I would never stop if I started telling you all the things that I have learned from the songs. From listening closely, I have learned to listen closely to other things. But we really don't want to hear all about that. Take lots of care, Alicia =20 "How could I be so immature "so when we died I tried to bribe the undertaker=20 To think that he could replace cause I'm not sure The missing elements in me" what you're doin or the reasons" -Bj=F6rk -Tori =09 "I know the robins bring "I'm a tree that grows hearts (my love) bring me many things but one for each that you take"=20 Sugar -Bj=F6rk He brings me sugar as far as I can tell I've been gone for miles now" -Tori=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:53:09 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: YKTR On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Hanna Paulus wrote: > The song "Cool on your Island" on YKTR seems really familar to me, and > this is the first time I've ever heard the whole CD. Did they ever play > COYI on the radio? Does any one know? COYI was, if I recall correctly, one of the singles released. However, none of the YKTR material really got that much airplay. Tori has done COYI in concert a few times, which may be where you heard it. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:57:45 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: YKTR On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Natalie T Ballard wrote: > I have never heard YKTR. I found it for thirty dollars at a used CD > store, but once I scraped together some cash, it was gone. Grrr. Anyways, > is it actually a good album worth buying? (Aside from the fact that it is > Tori memorabilia, I mean.) Depends. If you like cheesy 80s rock, get it. I agree that there are some good songs on there, but as a whole, I think it's on the Velveeta side of 80s rock. This is all just MHO, of course, so you may not agree! Several stores that sell boots {and you're definitely looking at a boot CD there, the real thing goes for upwards of $100 these days} will let you listen to them before you buy them so you know what you're getting into. > Has anyone heard Tori's beautiful cover of the Cure's "Lovesong"? I > actually found that one on a CD at the same store for the same > price....and it was sold before I could get it. > I have the worst luck!!! Does anyone know of any other CD it might be on? > (The one I found it on was a live cover album). It's available on several boot CDs {no legit releases}. Offhand, I know it's on one of the CD cover compilations and Tori Stories. If you'd like a cassette copy of YKTR and Lovesong, drop me a line and we'll work something out. :) /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:28:43 -0500 (EST) From: JLee833093@aol.com Subject: Re:Re:new person on the list <> Me, me!!!!! ::raises her hand:: Portishead is absolutely incredible. They are even more amazing live=D. But lately I've refrained from listening to them only because I've been in an incredibly good mood. Beth's voice is so dark and haunting that she succeeds to make me feel like crawling. Hehe, maybe I'm exaggerating, but her voice is definitely beautiful and unique. Joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:34:30 EST From: Tori805 Subject: Re: Unique Clones (was Really Important Tori News!!!) China Dust wrote: You make a good point, but how about those of us who just never knew anything about Neil Gaiman or Alice Walker before learning about them from Tori? I don't think that by reading a book that she suggests, that would make a person fit into the category you describe? Just something else to think about.... - -Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:00:45 +1300 From: inside blue glass Subject: Re:Re:new person on the list At 08:28 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: ><> > definitely me. - -ana - - - - sometimes i'll tell it dramatic - - http://www.overlap.org - - and sometimes i'll blurt it out - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:09:58 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: YKTR Nadyne said, of YKTR: > If you like cheesy 80s rock, get it. I agree that there are some good > songs on there, but as a whole, I think it's on the Velveeta side of 80s > rock. This is all just MHO, of course, so you may not agree! I think there's a lot to be said for being familiar with YKTR just to get a bit of a feel for where Tori was before her solo albums. (If not completely with her heart.) I feel the same about her "Baltimore" sides and the other early unreleased stuff found on that "wedding" tape. I actually like most of that old stuff, but if one didn't it would be instructive, nonetheless. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:03:29 -0600 From: Dan Vest Subject: Re: Deconstructing Tori my email address has changed to torifile@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:38:49 EST From: Anavrin560 Subject: Re: The Faeries I forgot where I read it but somewhere I saw in a Tori quote that she said that she thought that people who didn't believe in Faeries weren't worth talking to but it was explained that she meant "faeries" as in believing in other dimensions and stuff, pretty much just being open minded and open to stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:01:06 EST From: ChinaDust Subject: Re: Unique Clones (was Really Important Tori News!!!) In a message dated 98-01-04 21:49:10 EST, you write: << China Dust wrote: You make a good point, but how about those of us who just never knew anything about Neil Gaiman or Alice Walker before learning about them from Tori? I don't think that by reading a book that she suggests, that would make a person fit into the category you describe? Just something else to think about.... -Sue >> Yeah, I guess I did sound a bit generalizing there. I don't mean it that way at all. I found out about Neil Gaiman and The Color Purple only because of Tori. I loved ...Purple, and I'm looking through some Gaiman right now. I guess that wasn't clear, what I said. When I find out about something Tori likes, I try to check it out to see if I might like it, since she usually knows her stuff. I meant going to the extreme of trying to be and think just like Tori, liking it just because Tori does. I see the difference, Sue. -- Eileen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:42:05 EST From: SmerfCrazy Subject: Re: Independent Behavior whoa....... that was incredibly well-said Hanna....... i think that you have just managed to sum up what alot of people on this list (myself included) just can't seem to put into words...... applause applause!!!!!! :) just thought id let you all know that...... ill be going now circles and circles john... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:44:08 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Tori on Bootlegs >I have the Collectibles book, too, and I didn't really believe that part about >the bootlegs. It wasn't even directly from her! I myself have "contributed to >such an atrocity." The guy who spoke for Tori said that it wasn't as much as >"the artist receives no royalties for this work," but "does not want to see >loyal fans waste hard-earned money." That writer kind of reminded me of a >crooked lawyer. I also heard from an unofficial and probably unreliable source >that Tori didn't think too badly about bootlegs. I dunno really. Anyone on >this list know, for sure, Tori's opinion on bootlegs? > > I heard an interview from '94 where Tori acknowledged that she knew there were many boots out there and that Robert Plant had told her you weren't anyone till you were bootlegged. She went on to say that she didn't want her fans to spend money on less than a quality product, but if it was a good production, it was ok. She finished by saying she has tons of money and won't spend what she has already, so profits from boots weren't a concern. She just basically wants to make sure than we spend our money on something *good*. Fairy Blessings, Beth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:12:14 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Really Important Tori News!!! On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:35:58 -0500 geministar@webtv.net writes: >Natalie, >Was that comment about teen-age girls believing in faeries directed at >me, or at other teen-agers in general? Not at all!! I'm sorry if I led you to believe that. I'm not going to alienate people on my second day on the list. I'll save all the alienating for later :) Sorry again. Natalie Priests and legislators do not hold shares in my womb or my mind. This is my body. - --Marge Piercy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:58:10 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: individuality and Toriphiles Thanks to all the people who agreed that I had a valid point!! (Stephanie, Eileen, Hanna, et. al.) While I would absolutely love to look like Tori, actually BEING her has never crossed my mind.....I'm too much of a wallflower to deal with the fame and hero worship. I've read one Alice Walker novel, and that was for English class. Truthfully, I wasn't impressed. Sue had a good point about Tori introducing people to new things (I've been introduced to many things by many people of fame......I've become a born again feminist by reading the poetry of Marge Piercy) but I am sure there is a fine line between checking something out on the recommendation of others and completely embracing that thing because an idol does. I love that term "Unique Clone"!!! We had a great idea a few weeks ago.....if there were to be a remake of Rocky Horror Picture Show, wouldn't Tori be great to play the lips at the beginning? (Of course, a RHPS remake would be sacrilege, pure and simple). Natalie Priests and legislators do not hold shares in my womb or my mind. This is my body. - --Marge Piercy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:00:06 EST From: WeirdyBoi Subject: Tori/Kate article I found a record review on an amazing kate bush site called "the sensual world" that talks a lot about Tori and Kate and their work, but not saying one is copying the other, just reviewing albums, moreso.. At any rate, it's a very interesting article i thought you guys might like to read, and it has plenty of tori content... I'd love to see some comments.... j'ason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 23:43:09 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Byrne Manchester Subject: NYTimes review Febr. 94 RECORDINGS VIEW New York Times, Sect. 2 (Arts and Leisure), Sunday, February 6, 1994, p. 24. Two Sisters In Song... Of Sorts by Peter Galvin When Tori Amos burst onto the pop scene last year with her album "Little Earthquakes," critics were hard pressed to find a label to describe the singer's exceedingly personal, exuberantly melodic music. Was it pop, folk or rock? Was Ms. Amos a musical earth daughter tapping into the primordial emotions of the human heart or just some crackpot offering the most self-absorbed brand of feminist spiritualism? Regardless of the many critical opinions Ms. Amos's arrival engendered, the one thing almost everyone agreed on was that she sounded a lot like Kate Bush. Listening to both artists' new albums, Ms. Bush's "Red Shoes: and Ms. Amos's "Under the Pink," one easily hears the similarities between the two singer-songwriters. Both have high, frilly voices capable of conveying girlish insouciance, pouting allure and shrieking madness; both write piano-based melodies heavily influenced by the emotional sweep of classical music and the drama and bombast of opera; and both possess a keenly imaginative romantic sensibility that challenges patriarchal notions of love, sex and religion. But Ms. Bush is more of a musical philosopher than Ms. Amos, divining meaning from her experience and giving it universal scope. Ms. Amos's songs are like psychological case studies, providing listeners with a vicarious catharsis rather than any actual insight into existence. Emerging in 1978 amid the abrasive anarchy of the British punk movement, Ms. Bush's debut album, "The Kick Inside," as a musical anomaly, what with its heady art-rock arrangements, baroque vocals and grandiloquent literary allusions. Subsequent albums found Ms. Bush experimenting with musical textures through the use of synthesizers, multilayered vocals and world-music instrumentation. Ms. Bush was seeking increasingly complex ways to express the landscape of consciousness and the soul's connection to God and the supernatural world. On "The Red Shoes" (Columbia 53737; CD and cassette), Ms. Bush, 35, is in a wiser, less breathlessly romantic mode. Gone is the grandiose mysticism of songs like "Wuthering Heights" and "Running up That Hill." Instead, Ms. Bush's quest for meaning is more earthbound, concentrating on the pangs of the heart and the joys of the flesh. In the breakup ballad, "You're the One," Ms. Mush places the listener firmly in the real world as she sings to her ex-lover, "It's all right, I'' come 'round when you're not in/ And I'll pick up all my things." In the Eastern-flavored "Eat the Music," Ms. Bush connects sex with food, imagining herself a piece of fruit; "Split me open/ With devotion," she demands jubilantly. The music, too, is much more intimate than on her past efforts. Ms. Bush no longer sounds as if she's addressing the heavens; her vocals now rarely reach their former ear-piercing levels. The album's title track, based on Michael Powell's 1948 movie of the same name, illustrates the tragedy that can result when dreams and reality collide. An aspiring dancer puts on a pair of red shoes and dances herself to death to the furious sound of lute and zither. Another song about fate, the funk-driven "Why Should I Love You?," a track Ms. Bush wrote and recorded with Prince, contemplates the spiritual forces that conspire to bring two lovers together. Ms. Amos is less concerned with what brings two lovers together than what happens to them when they connect. On the affecting "Little Earthquakes," the singer sang of her sexual awakening at the hands of men who were interested only in her body and who lorded their power over her as if it was sent straight from God. Elsewhere on "Earthquakes," Ms. Amos detailed her disillusionment with religion and the pain of forging an identity in a world that wants you to be something you're not. The songs melded Ms. Amos's melodies with studio touches like sampled keyboards and strings, expertly giving the singer's passionate songs their due. On "Under the Pink" (Atlantic 82567; CD and cassette), Ms. Amos, 30, refines her cabaret-meets-classical style, almost completely forgetting the use of guitars and drums. Instead, she interprets her melodies mainly with her piano, which she plays to gorgeous effect. The singer is in a less confrontational mode on "Pink." Indeed, the only song in which Ms. Amos actually confronts an oppressor head on is also the most studio-enhanced: on "God," the singer taunts the Creator for being sloppy and lazy, with sampled screeches giving the track a predatory quality. Yet, as on "Earthquakes," Ms. Amos continues to use her personal experience to challenge religious and sexual conventions. In "Icicle," she sings about masturbating in her room while her family is downstairs saying their prayers. Unfortunately, the singer seems a bit strapped for provocative subject matter on "Pink." Many of the lyrics are frustratingly oblique, as if Ms. Amos is trying to hide the fact that she doesn't have much to say this time around. Because the impact of her music depends so much on her confessional approach, the third-person, observational stance of several of the songs on "Pink" renders them emotionally flat. Perhaps now, having seemingly exorcised many of her personal demons, Ms. Amos will turn her gaze outward, translating what she sees and feels into a more universal vision. After all, it works for Kate Bush. ~end of article~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:57:52 -0600 (CST) From: kerry white Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #4 > From: "Hanna Paulus" > Subject: YKTR > > The song "Cool on your Island" on YKTR seems really familar to me, and > this is the first time I've ever heard the whole CD. Did they ever play > COYI on the radio? Does any one know? > > ~Hanna~ Possibly. I have a vinyl 45 promo of COYI on both sides. KrW "Who was that masked man?" "That no mask, that birthmark!" ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #5 ***********************************