From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #344 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, December 5 1997 Volume 02 : Number 344 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: virginity (was What's your most memorable/chilling Tori moment?) [Lad] Ice cream [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Re: Ice cream ["Mark Biscomb, or so they say..." ] Fw: Ice cream ["Chloe Sparkle Dydo" ] rainn concert [Shirley ] Re: virginity (was What's your most memorable/chilling Tori moment?) [Rac] Re: rainn concert [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Ice cream [anabug ] Re: Thoughts on Tori [Stephanie Handley ] Re: virginity (was What's your most memorable/chilling Tori moment?) [Jes] Ice cream and Sexual Rhythm... ["rosalind's pea soup" ] Re: Most memorable/chilling Tori moment? [Tori805@aol.com] Most memorable Tori moment [Marcel F G Rijs ] help me if you can [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Kate & Tori [Beth Winegarner ] little earthquakes and onwards ["poison me against the moon..." ] green apple ice cream [kel11@scasd.k12.pa.us (Kim/BlkSwan07)] tori on mtv news and kate & tori [meredith ] Fwd: the Kate Vs. Tori debate (doing the homework) VERY LONG [Mystyglass@] help me if you can [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: tori on mtv news and kate & tori [LilacMist5 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 01:33:52 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: virginity (was What's your most memorable/chilling Tori moment?) On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Shirley wrote: > At 09:25 PM 12/3/97 PST, Capriccio 191 wrote: > > >Mymost memorable Tori moment would have to be losing my virginity to > >China. Yesiree...but I always had a feeling Tori would be involved > >(somehow...;) sigh...) in that! > > mmmmh that sounds delicious to be able to have that :) > > aaaaah, come to think of it, I would want to lose my virginity to Tori's > cover of Landslide or Lovesong... mmmmmh... > > i don't know, i just don't think of tori's songs on a whole as being > romantic, but they are just so achingly beautiful :) I didn't lose my virginity to the tune of Tori, but... I have to agree her songs while not exactly romantic are indeed beautiful and emotional, and I can tell you that they serve quite well as a backdrop for an intimate evening with the person you love... Although Talula can be a bit distracting! ;) tee-hee! But seriously, imagine hitting your, ahem, high point as Tori hits the pinnacle of Little Earthquakes... it's utterly amazing, I swear it! (and is it really a surprise that the rhythm of the song LE always reminds me of sex? Think about it now, how it picks up the pace until she's wailing, and then there's the denouement... Am I crazy here?) I'm sorry it's late and my cold medicine is making me a bit loopy... :) Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:40:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Ice cream Everyone, About a year ago my uncle mebtion a tori lyric to me that I cannot for the life of me locate. He said something about Tori's favorite ice cream flavor being Cherry Garcia or someting. He said it's from UtP but I've been through again and again. Can some please enlighten me. Is the such a line, if so where? or is my uncle insane? Thanks, Jessie "When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Marry comes to me, Speaking words of wisdom, Let it Be." - -"Let it Be" by Lennon/McCartney of the Fab Four Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:21:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark Biscomb, or so they say..." Subject: Re: Ice cream On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Jessie L Ksanznak wrote: > life of me locate. He said something about Tori's favorite ice cream > flavor being Cherry Garcia or someting. He said it's from UtP but I've The only mention of Cherry Garcia ice cream that I've heard of in relation to Tori is from an Entertainment Weekly article (Tori Adored) from a few years back. Part of it was talking about how us EWF's get together and have big Tori-fests where we (in part) play trivia games. "Favorite Ice Cream? Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia." Peace, Love, and the Goddess-- Mark ______________________________________________________________________________ | increase | |visi(bi)lity!| --------------- "Usually they sprinkle a few drops "Once you're friends with of water on your head; sad, you don't need to in my case, they held my head under be afraid of her anymore." for thirteen fucking years." -Tori Amos -Tori Amos "As for me, I'm one with my duality!" "Love all... open your eyes." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:31:13 -0800 From: "Chloe Sparkle Dydo" Subject: Fw: Ice cream I think the lyric your refering to is, "I can't believe you're leaving 'cause me and Charles Manson like the same ice cream" from Tear in Your Hand, but that's on LE Tori's favorite ice cream is Cherry Garcia, but I don't think she ever mentions that in a song. But you never know...maybe she did in a live version of a UtP song. ;) >Everyone, > >About a year ago my uncle mebtion a tori lyric to me that I cannot for the >life of me locate. He said something about Tori's favorite ice cream >flavor being Cherry Garcia or someting. He said it's from UtP but I've >been through again and again. Can some please enlighten me. Is the such >a line, if so where? or is my uncle insane? > >Thanks, > >Jessie > >"When I find myself in times of trouble, >Mother Marry comes to me, >Speaking words of wisdom, >Let it Be." > >-"Let it Be" by Lennon/McCartney of the Fab Four > >Smile!!!!! :) > >http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 23:48:13 -0800 From: Shirley Subject: rainn concert is the rainn concert in its entirety ever going to be available in america? or at least in some format i can watch it with (VHS)? thanks in advance! - -- Shirley Ye University of California, Berkeley http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/3305 i used to be a superhero no one could hurt me not even myself you are like a phone booth that i somehow stumbled into and now look at me i am just like everybody else -Ani Difranco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 02:20:25 -0600 From: Rachel Roth Subject: Re: virginity (was What's your most memorable/chilling Tori moment?) >I didn't lose my virginity to the tune of Tori, but... I have to agree >her songs while not exactly romantic are indeed beautiful and emotional, >and I can tell you that they serve quite well as a backdrop for an >intimate evening with the person you love... Although Talula can be a bit >distracting! ;) tee-hee! > >But seriously, imagine hitting your, ahem, high point as Tori hits the >pinnacle of Little Earthquakes... it's utterly amazing, I swear it! (and >is it really a surprise that the rhythm of the song LE always reminds me >of sex? Think about it now, how it picks up the pace until she's wailing, >and then there's the denouement... Am I crazy here?) I'm sorry it's late >and my cold medicine is making me a bit loopy... :) no way, you're not loopy... LE has a rhythm of waves to it...a lot like sex does (I'm so excited you said this I never noticed it before)...give me life give me pain give me myself again takes on a whole new meaning... its like so slow starting out...so blissful almost and then it gets so powerful and then dies down quickly... perfect analogy Rachel PS talula is a wonderful distraction song (the tornado mix) you are right about that too, although I find it distracting in a really GOOD way hehe "Maybe I aint used to Maybes smashing in a cold room" -tori amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: rainn concert On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Shirley wrote: > is the rainn concert in its entirety ever going to be available in america? > or at least in some format i can watch it with (VHS)? There are, as of the last I heard, no plans to release it in the US. My - -guess- would be that Lifetime television still has the rights to it,b ut I don't know if that's actually the case. If you're really desperate to have it, you can order it from some company overseas and then find someone to convert it for you. I have -no- idea how much this would cost, you might want to call around and see what this'll cost before you think about ordering the video. Or, you can get a VCR that will play both formats. However, i think you also need a television that will accept that kind of input . . . I'm, admittedly, none too clear on this. {Oh, and the format difference isn't just something like VHS vs. Betamax. Our format is, IIRC, called NTSC. There are several other formats overseas. ISTR that the UK uses PAL, France uses SECAM, and that there are a couple of others.} Good luck! /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 09:06:38 +1300 From: anabug Subject: Re: Ice cream At 01:40 AM 12/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Everyone, > >About a year ago my uncle mebtion a tori lyric to me that I cannot for the >life of me locate. He said something about Tori's favorite ice cream >flavor being Cherry Garcia or someting. He said it's from UtP but I've >been through again and again. Can some please enlighten me. Is the such >a line, if so where? or is my uncle insane? all i can think of is from "tear in your hand" on LE : "me and charles manson like the same ice cream" and from "here in your head" B-side: "and you know that apple green ice cream will melt in your hands" ana http://www.overlap.org/anabug/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 11:04:46 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tori Urucyon@aol.com wrote: > hi everbody :-) > > i totally agree with Yvette. i bought UtP, then BfP, and LE last. i > think > there is clearly a progression in her music from album to album. > listening > to BfP (my favorite and i must say- a complete masterpiece) before LE, > i felt > like Tori was being cautious with her musical expression when she made > LE. > even so, LE still demonstrates her brilliance wonderfully. > her music tends to overwelm and 'turn off' a lot of people i've > encountered, > who for whatever reason don't appretiate its complexity. kind of like > > classical music. is Tori on the level of Mozart? - boldly, i think > so. the > only music i am able to listen to any more is Tori and classical (i > used to > be a total heavy metal-head, forgive me) > > later folks, > > Bryan > Gotta say that I'm in complete agreement with you on this. For months after BfP came out I had a difficult time listening to LE, because it seemed almost shallow (!) when compared to BfP. I love to watch her grow and evolve and am so happy to always see her pushing the boundaries more and more with each album. That to me is true musicianship! Break the mold each time, more and more. Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:46:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: virginity (was What's your most memorable/chilling Tori moment?) On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Lady Eorann wrote: > > But seriously, imagine hitting your, ahem, high point as Tori hits the > pinnacle of Little Earthquakes... it's utterly amazing, I swear it! (and > is it really a surprise that the rhythm of the song LE always reminds me > of sex? Think about it now, how it picks up the pace until she's wailing, > and then there's the denouement... Am I crazy here?) I'm sorry it's late > and my cold medicine is making me a bit loopy... :) Well, and then there's the name of the song. Little Earthquakes, hhhhhmmmmmmm. Talk about a double meaning. In fact that's what my dad thought it meant until I told him otherwise. (Can you imagine explaining it to your dad? "No, dad, it's NOT an orgasm.") Jessie "When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Marry comes to me, Speaking words of wisdom, Let it Be." - -"Let it Be" by Lennon/McCartney of the Fab Four Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:26:22 CST From: "rosalind's pea soup" Subject: Ice cream and Sexual Rhythm... I always thought that Tori liked apple green ice cream...I can't pinpoint the quote, so if someone could help me out it would tickle my peace pudding. To elaborate on Yvette's comment... I think the majority of Tori's more powerful emotional songs follow a very spirit-connected sexual rhythm that is very comparable to our mentalities during such an encounter...like she says, she is some sort of a Mary Magdalene...spiritually aware of herself in every sense. I know I can definitely connect with this, due to my religious upbringing and the sexual taboos that were shoved down my throat. I mean....think about it...PW...precious things...blood roses...LE...Space Dog(definitely has the rhythm part)... She balances these with songs revealing little bits of insight...lighter songs...and then she has the heart-rippers...slow and pulling your guts out. Although not filled with the rhythm, the residue of it kinda sticks and you get the feeling that the orgasm has passed and you're sitting there in a little movie theatre of your life watching it pass by and trying to hold on to the moments. just my little regurgitations of thought. thanks fer noticin' me. kerriloo^ "I say the world is sick, You say tell me what that makes us darlin'" <<>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:25:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: Tori-progress I don't know that shallow is what i'd say, more raw> I agree with the general theme of progression, but i'd have to say that it is only the presentation of the music that changes. True, BfP is clearly different to LE but i don't think it's any better. BfP makes me think, but the sheer strength of the images presented my LE is overwhelming, and i think this is why some people accused her of changing to acheive popularity(LIE-LIE-LIE!!!). But where BfP makes me think, LE picks me up and throws me around the room. The passion makes my eyes water..... - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:56:46 -0500 (EST) From: Tori805@aol.com Subject: Re: Most memorable/chilling Tori moment? My most memorable tori moment has to have been back in '92, when LE first came out. I had never heard of Tori before. Nobody knew who she was. I was listening to a local alternative radio station while getting ready for school, and the DJ started talking about this wonderful song he had heard last night and this new artist (I was so mad later that I didn't catch her name!) And then he played Winter. I was so taken with that song, I actually had to sit down. It's still one of my favorites, and you can bet I called up the radio station to find out about this fabuluos new artist! I think I knew from that moment on that I was in love. I've since converted many other EWFs, and I've really enjoyed watching (and hearing) Tori "grow up" and growing up myself with her music. (I was 17 when LE came out.) I actually just got the chance to listen to her interview CD today for the first time, and I must say, she's come a long way, and it's been a great trip! - -Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 20:18:35 +0100 From: Marcel F G Rijs Subject: Most memorable Tori moment Hi all, It is quite interesting to read your most memorable moments with Tori, so I decided to throw mine in the ring as well. Actually there are two, but no. 1 is probably the best of the two. 1. 1992. I had seen "Silent all these years" (the clip) on TV and wanted to have it on record. (So it begins...) My record dealer had to order it because it wasn't in stock, and a week later he had.... China! I was pretty angry, but took it anyway, while he promised to still get me SATY (which he did a week later). I got home and played "China". I will always remember: i played this single (it was a 7" vinyl copy) and found myself singing along with it almost instantly. While doing this, I was so moved, and I thought to myself: "What an amazing artist!" It was probably one of two of the most intense first-time listen I've ever had. (The other one being "Belfast child" by the Simple Minds - another incredible song.) One week later I had SATY, two weeks later I had the whole CD and a month later I was at Tori's live concert in Rotterdam. Pretty great, huh? 2. 1994. The last of three Dutch concerts in Scheveningen. The concert was pretty good, but afterwards we were all invited in groups of four to meet Tori in the hall backstage. Me, my sister and two other boys (hi Kjeld, if you're reading this!!) were group no. 8, with another 8 groups to go. After posing for a few photographs, she signed my American CD of "God" (on the white label), and when I thanked her, she said "you're quite welcome". After I said that I wished I could see all the remaining concerts as well, she only said "Thank you". Now _I_ said "You're quite welcome", which made her smile. It's one of those moments which probably means nothing to her, but I still keep it as a very nice, warm memory. Have to add that I liked the 'early' Tori better, she's become too popular these days IMHO. I always prefer an artist to be less popular, 'cos then they're somewhat more accessible. I think it won't be as easy as in 1994 to meet Tori anymore in future tours. Kind regards, Marcel Rijs "Conan the Librarian" Den Haag, The Netherlands EUROPE MY BRAND NEW HOMEPAGE: www.bart.nl/~mfgr ORDER THE KATE BUSH COVERED CD! Check my homepage for details. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:55:26 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: help me if you can Hi, whoever posted the info about the comic book with Tori hidden in it by Neil called Winter's Edge or something, i forget exactly, please please email me because i need info about it. thanks :) j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:13:00 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Kate & Tori Since the subject of comparisons between Kate Bush and Tori has come up recently on the Precious Things list, I wanted to post about something I've been thinking about. I listen to Kate Bush's album "The Red Shoes" a lot at work because we have a few used copies of it and it's nice to hear while I'm working. But the other day I was listening a bit more closely and it occurred to me that "Lily" reminds me a lot of some of the themes on Pele, especially on CaLS. A few things in particular... "Well I said 'Lily, oh Lily I don't feel safe I feel that life has blown a great big hole through me' ANd she said 'Child you must protect yourself I'll show you how with fire'" This reminds me a lot of Tori's discussion of the notion that Pele was about finding her own fire, so to speak. Not stealing it from men anymore, but finding it within... and I've always thought that that search really started with CaLS (both because it was the single, the song we heard before we heard the whole album, and because it seems to be the turning point for the album being in the middle). CaLS talks about finding strength in womanhood and female friends ("I need a big loan from the girl zone...") and here Bush is talking to Lily is -- and I'm naive enough that I don't know if she's talking about a specific figure or a friend -- but it's obviously a feminine influence. Then she says: "Gabriel before me Raphael behind me Michael to my right Uriel on my left side In the circle of fire" And Tori says: "Boys on my left side/Boys on my right side/Boys in the middle/And you're not here." Now, before anyone gets up in arms, I'm not saying that Tori is stealing anything from Kate Bush's work (as some people have alleged). I just think it's neat that it seems Tori was inspired by this song. Other songs on the album, like the title track and Rubberband Girl, are inspirational in the sense of finding strength and becoming more magical (in the first) and more flexible (in the second). What do you guys think, especially those of you who listen to both artists? I found it really interesting. Beth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 17:50:04 EST From: "poison me against the moon..." Subject: little earthquakes and onwards onwards and upwards i would have to say. there is no "best" album of hers. i am partial to UtP, but BfP Really makes onethink for a long long time, and LE is so raw in yr face sex obsessed that it's a little scary. UtP rides like waves in dreams and over time. i think when someone posted they rtalked about LE and BfP but they complEtely forgot UtP. UtP ties the two together and mekaes the progression a little easier to follow. BfP is the album that i listened to over ad over after my boyfriend left me, LE is the album i listened to when i thought i was over him, and UtP is the album that helped me get over and out of everything. chisel chisel jordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 17:14:00 +1300 From: anabug Subject: Re: little earthquakes and onwards >UtP ties the two together and mekaes the progression a little easier to follow. i've heard tori describe her albums as LE is the diary, UTP is the abstract painting, and BFP is the novel. that makes a lot of sense for me, and i find BFP the most whole, completely tori album. ana http://www.overlap.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:47:50 -0500 From: kel11@scasd.k12.pa.us (Kim/BlkSwan07) Subject: green apple ice cream >I always thought that Tori liked apple green ice cream...I can't >pinpoint the quote, so if someone could help me out it would tickle >my peace pudding. Hmm that's from 'Here, In my Head.' ack I know that punctuation is wrong (sorry!). It goes something like ack, yeesh this is probably my favorite tori song and I have a massive mental block on the lyrics! ack! something like 'apple green ice cream can melt in your hands, I can't' okay that's it, I'm getting the lyrics out and correcting myself. ack no time, I'll do it later, but that's the quote you were thinking of. It's funny this always reminded me of a Delirium babbling-'Green Mouse Ice Cream was the worst' They really do steal quite a bit from eachother, even though Tori's Death. 'Soldier Sailor Tinker Tailor, Twinkle's a nifty word.' both quotes are on the same page, if memory serves me right. - --Kim (who never posts, and feels bad about that) "If you really want a challenge, just deal with yourself." - -Tori Amos "Music is the strongest kind of magic" - -Marilyn Manson "We all get intimidated by showing ourselves, for whatever reason, we think, If I really show who I am, and someone goes [pfftt] then it's gonna crush me. Well, it's not gonna crush me. It doesn't crush you if somebody does that- somebody will do that. Many times. And once you accept that that's not why you're doing it, you're doing it because that's your form of expression." --Tori Amos "Ike, who cares about your hair?" - -Taylor Hanson "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins "Music takes us out of the actual and whispers to us dim secrets that startle us to wonder as to who we are, and for what, whence, and whereth." - --Ralph Waldo Emerson "I listen to a lot of music and I read a lot of books and I know something great when I hear it." - -Tori Amos "Who said that? Who made up that rule? And what grave is he in over in Europe? Who cares? The worms have eaten him. It's over" - -Tori Amos "When all young people would start listening to their own voice instead of saying what adults say or whatever MTV dicatates, this would be a whole different planet." - -Tori Amos "Actually, I think the Muppets have a pretty good grip on things." - -Ray Lesch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:38:15 -0500 From: meredith Subject: tori on mtv news and kate & tori Hi! I heard through the grapevine that there was a small segment on Tori and RAINN on eMpTV news today. Can anyone confirm/deny/elaborate? Beth mused: >CaLS talks about finding strength in womanhood and >female friends ("I need a big loan from the girl zone...") and here Bush is >talking to Lily is -- and I'm naive enough that I don't know if she's >talking about a specific figure or a friend -- but it's obviously a feminine >influence. Lily is a very good friend of Kate's. (I don't know if you saw the movie _The Line, The Cross, and the Curve_ but if you did, the woman in the rocking chair during the "Lily" segment is the woman herself.) >Now, before anyone gets up in arms, I'm not saying that Tori is stealing >anything from Kate Bush's work (as some people have alleged). I just think >it's neat that it seems Tori was inspired by this song. The only Kate Bush album Tori has ever admitted to owning is _Hounds of Love_, so I'm not sure if she's ever even heard "Lily", but hey. We can all dream. :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | |***TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: trajectory-request@smoe.org***| +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:05:41 -0600 From: Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Glasson) Subject: Fwd: the Kate Vs. Tori debate (doing the homework) VERY LONG - --WebTV-Mail-1916624955-3352 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT - --WebTV-Mail-1916624955-3352 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Glasson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:58:17 -0600 To: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: the Kate Vs. Tori debate (doing the homework) VERY LONG Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) I can't believe that there are still some people out there who believe that Tori is just a Kate Bush-rip off artist. It just goes to show you, (IMHO), how lazy these people are. I think it all boils down to who's doing the homework, and who isn't. Because anybody who knows Kate's work, when first listening to Tori, is going to react with a "Whoa! She sounds JUST like Kate Bush!" And at that point, it's easiest just to turn the radio off or tune it out and cynically say "Huh. Just a Kate Bush wannabe." Even our good buddy Courtney Love said that and she was supposed to be playing rock critic for a day! (In other words she was SUPPOSED to be listening) But I digress. It's easiest to just write an artist off or "lump" them into a category as they say, just to have a place to put them, without really giving it a second thought, a second listen, or a second chance. That would require energy, time and devotion to the subject and a lot of people just want their pop music like fast food...hot and fast, a no brainer. However, with the proper resources and a little insight, I think even the subtle differences are blatantly obvious. For instance- Kate indeed did play the piano and sing exclusively for her first few albums, (all which proceeded Tori's first Kate album "Hounds of Love"), but she took a few left turns and became very experimental...using a lot of drum patterns and more strings, giving her music a completely different mood altogether than ANYTHING Tori's done. Which leads me to the fact that MOST of Tori's work so far has been VERY upfront and personal, as I believe someone mentioned before, not only musically but lyrically as well...there's more of an intimacy created with her audience...whereas much of Kate's music, although intense by its own right, only has scattered moments of intimacy. For the short time that Kate did tour, most of her presentation was concentrating on her dancing and choreography abilities, whereas Tori, as we know, keeps it plain and simple, and therefore creating that "intimate" mood in her performance as well. In other words, they present and express themselves in very different ways. Kate, to me is more the dancer/musician, and Tori the pianist/musician. Is this making sense? And although I am a big fan of both, I really do think that Tori's piano playing beats Kate's hands down (so to speak). She was a child prodigy fer Christ's sake! You know, I was a Kate fan before I heard Tori, and the first time I heard Tori was on the radio with "God" and at first I really did think it was Kate Bush getting a little more risque and appealing to the younger crowd. But then I heard it was Tori and I went out and purchased the single just to make sure it'd be worth my while and I heard those 2 piano suites and I said "Damn! Can that girl play!" Never have I been moved so much just by piano playing, not even Kate's. Kate's seems a little more like just accompaniment ( I probably spelled that wrong, oh well :p ), but Tori's playing *sigh*, it really has a life and depth all its own. But that's just my opinion. You'd have to listen and compare it yourself to know what I mean. So just because they are both very high pitched sopranos and play the piano does not make them the same person. Someone also made a very good point about how the record companies wanted to "sell her" in a way that would be comfortable to the public. Since Kate Bush already had a fan base why not sell her as America's answer to Kate Bush? That's where a lot of the trouble begins is with that kind of marketing of an artist by association with a well known artist. I mean, that's all Fiona is, right? She plays the piano and sings and has had experience with rape so why not call her "this year's Tori Amos"? That's where that lazy ass labeling comes in, and nobody wants to do the homework and actually LISTEN to the music for what it is on its own. It's a danger of the business and I'm sure any true fans of these artists will be able to tell the difference. I saw LE advertised in a music catalogue for women and they described it like this: "If you like Kate Bush, you'll like Tori Amos...she's got a voice like Kate's except without all the hystrionics." Well, that's another of the subtle differences actually. Kate let's her voice go a little crazy at times. Tori's seems a little more controlled. You know, and I never even noticed that Kate was IN a box on the cover of "The Kick Inside"! It's more subtle..it just looks like she's curled up huddling underneath something...if it was a box, it looked more like a cardboard one..but I've had the CD for years and I didn't even notice that until someone on the list pointed it out. Another thought I had (and then I'll shut up once and for all) was that Tori was playing the piano and singing in bars long before she even knew who Kate Bush was...I mean, I don't think she practiced for years and years until she was 13 to get up on stage and sing like Kate Bush. And if the first album she ever heard of hers was "Hounds of Love" like I said before, that wasn't even a piano focused album....so the hell? Anyways, you want to hear a piano based album by Kate get "The Kick Inside". If you want to hear any of the funky experimental stuff, any of these 3 are great "The Hounds of Love" "The Dreaming" or "Never For Ever". Those are all great albums. Listen for yourself. The proof is in the pudding. on my way to getting "the Carp"- (carpal tunnel syndrome) Cynthia - --WebTV-Mail-1916624955-3352-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:55:26 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: help me if you can Hi, whoever posted the info about the comic book with Tori hidden in it by Neil called Winter's Edge or something, i forget exactly, please please email me because i need info about it. thanks :) j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:46:23 EST From: LilacMist5 Subject: Re: tori on mtv news and kate & tori In a message dated 97-12-04 23:09:21 EST, meth@smoe.org writes: << Hi! I heard through the grapevine that there was a small segment on Tori and RAINN on eMpTV news today. Can anyone confirm/deny/elaborate? >> I confirm! i saw it and i wet my pants! when serena altchul sayed 'tori amos' u betch my obsessed ears perked up! serena talked for a min about tori's new album and great expectations sndrck (nothing new,only vaguenessss) and then it cut away to a tori interview from 1996 and she talked about the roots of rainn.you know the sTori.... the 14 year old girl who was getting continually raped and Tori knew she had to do something and she assembled people together she trusted ans she *did* do something. it was a nice pertty clip. maybe one day they'll play some of her videos! grrrrrr bastards ;-) bi *ears* luff, Laura http://members.aol.com/RALNFAERY/favthings.html "We can all put on a front, but in our personal lives we just push the passion away. But the message is that we can have love and passion in our lives again."~Tori Amos (lovephones) ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #344 *************************************