From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #315 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, November 9 1997 Volume 02 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Rantz [violet@slip.net] Tori Amos Quote of the Day [Elizabeth Lauren Perry ] Re: Tori's assumed sexuality [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: Sandman miniseries release date? ["Josh Kostka" ] Re: rare tori songs [kel11@scasd.k12.pa.us (Kim)] Re: rare tori songs [Richard Handal ] Bee sides artwork [pigs@swva.net (Martin)] Songbird addendum [Richard Handal ] Tori mention [Charlie Poole ] Another Tori mention [Charlie Poole ] Re: Tori's assumed sexuality [Traumachik@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:08:23 -0800 From: violet@slip.net Subject: Re: Rantz Mrs. H asked: >Why does Rantz's spelling of his name change from the LE booklet >onward? It seems as if it's never quite right. Check under 'Tear in >Your >Hand' Rantz is listed as the Sandman comics supplier, and his >name is >spelled weird, I think it's Ranz or something like that.. Because Tori doesn't write the liner notes for her albums herself. And because printers make mistakes even when they're given something precise to copy. There are several other flubs on the album notes as well. Violet xoxox ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:16:02 -0500 (EST) From: Elizabeth Lauren Perry Subject: Tori Amos Quote of the Day Hey guys...I know I don't post here much, but for those who know me, I'm the one who runs the Tori Amos Quote of the Day mailing list. First, I'd like to thank all of you out there who subscribe to my list. Second, I'd like to tell everybody that I've recently got my 900th subscriber, and my goal is to get 1000 by the end of December. If you would like to get a thought provoking and innovative quote (not song lyric!) by Tori everyday in your email, write me at el_perry@acad.fandm.edu and help me achieve my goal! Once again, thanks! Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 18:31:25 +0100 From: Dennis Snelders Subject: FS: God UK Vinyl promo & Hey Jupiter UK CD EP Hi! I have the following items for sale or for trade. (the prices listed here are the exact same prices I paid at the store so I=92m not making any profit.) E-mail me if you want to buy or trade or fo= r more info. - -UK Hey Jupiter EP CD $8.00 1. Hey Jupiter 2. Professional Widow (radio edit) 3. Sugar (live) 4. Honey (live) - -God UK promo Vinyl Single $10.00 1. God 2. God (acapella vocal and rain mix) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:37:31 -0500 (EST) From: Glitter Girl Subject: YKTR = Metal?? On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Josh Kostka wrote: > I don't think that's how I would describe her, because > that's not the main thing she does and she really hasn't been a heavy > metal singer since the eighties.... I have Y Kant Tori Read, and to tell you the truth, I really don't consider it heavy metal at all. It's more like 80s pop, if I was forced to categorize it, and it's really not that bad at all. In fact, the last song set off of YKTR is quite quite good (Etienne Trilogy), and doesn't sound all the different from some of the stuff she did on LE. I groove to that album quite a bit :) I think maybe the picture from the front of the album is the reason some people consider it heavy metal, but the music itself is very pop-ish. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's assumed sexuality In a message dated 97-11-08 13:18:54 EST, Traumachik@aol.com writes: << We-ellllll....there are two things Tori has said that have made me wonder if her door swings both ways....... There's also that song "The Pool": "One with her hands open No one will know it, she says, Just you and me. And when it's over, I'll go back." >> What does this have to do with lesbianism??? It's open to so much interpretation.... I know that Tori has expressed some disliking for the song, "The Pool," but i don't think she's ever told what the song is about, if anything, really... i think it was one of those quickie bee-sides. I always thought it was about water faeries or something.... - -j'ason http://members.aol.com/WeirdyBoi/Toriphoria.html (lotsa new amazing stuff!!!) :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 13:12:04 PST From: "Josh Kostka" Subject: Re: Sandman miniseries release date? >Sorry to post to the whole list but I accidentally threw away the message >this is in response to. When does that Sandman miniseries about the guy in >love w/ the star come out? I'd like to get it but don't want to make the >trip if it won't be there. :) That miniseries is called "Stardust", but's it's not Sandman, though it has to do with Faerie. Also, it's not in comic format... it's text by Neil accompanied by some really beautiful paintings by Charles Vess. Issue 1 came out last week and you should still be able to get it. It costs $5.95. Number 2 is coming out I believe the last week of November and then every six weeks after that - 3 & 4. It will be collected into a Hardcover in spirng and a softcover next September. Also, sorry for all the Non- Tori content, but anyone that likes really nicce art should get Kabuki #1 from Image Comics. It came out last month and it has a really great story and breathtaking art, like Dave McKean's. It comes out bimonthly. If you want to see some of the other Kabuki stuff. They've got one old issue online(the whole comic) at http://www.wfcomics.com . I think you need to go to the gallery from there and get into the Kabuki homepage. That's all for now, Josh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 13:43:19 PST From: "/meade ee" Subject: rare tori songs hiya: I'm wondering what anyone can tell me about the following songs - where tori played them, *the*lyrics*, are they covers.... songbird the lemon song peeping tommy to the fair motor maids of japan abbey road and om la boulegh (sp?) (accoustic cafe, i know, but lyrics anyone?) ah yes, btw staci and richard handal: the jim stapleton bio turned out to be the mick st michaels tiny bio, mislabled i guess. ): and thirdly, i need some help. my site has recently changed servers and i need some feedback as to what i've done with it. check it out, please, and let me know what you thought! http://stain.simplenet.com /meade ********************************************* he says he rekons i'm a watercolour stain he says i run and then i run from him and then i run he didn't see me watching from the aeroplane he wiped a tear and then he threw away our apple seed tori ** father lucifer http://stain.simplenet.com/ ********************************************* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:37:22 -0500 From: kel11@scasd.k12.pa.us (Kim) Subject: Re: rare tori songs I didn't know that Tori did 'Songbird'?? I'm a huge Fleetwood Mac fan, this is good good good news!! :D I have the lyrics here if anyone cares, this song is so beautiful. Definitely one of my favorites from the Macburgers.... Songbird by Christine McVie On the Fleetwood Mac album 'Rumours' For you, there'll be no more crying, For you, the sun will be shining, And I feel that when I'm with you, It's alright, I know it's right. To you, I'll give the world To you, I'll never be cold 'Cause I feel that when I'm with you, It's alright, I know it's right And the songbirds are singing, Like they know the score, And I love you, I love you, I love you Like never before. And I wish you al the love in the world, But most of all, I wish it from myself. And the songbirds keep singing, Like they know the score, And I love you, I love you, I love you, Like never before, like never before. copyright 1977 by Gentoo Music, Inc. "Music takes us out of the actual and whispers to us dim secrets that startle us to wonder as to who we are, and for what, whence, and whereth." - --Ralph Waldo Emerson "I listen to a lot of music and I read a lot of books and I know something great when I hear it." - -Tori Amos "Who said that? Who made up that rule? And what grave is he in over in Europe? Who cares? The worms have eaten him. It's over" - -Tori Amos "When all young people would start listening to their own voice instead of saying what adults say or whatever MTV dicatates, this would be a whole different planet." - -Tori Amos "Actually, I think the Muppets have a pretty good grip on things." - -Ray Lesch ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:59:04 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: rare tori songs Meade asked: > I'm wondering what anyone can tell me about the following songs - where > tori played them, *the*lyrics*, are they covers.... I'll tell what I can. > songbird As Kim (kel11@scasd.k12.pa.us) already posted that it was a Christine McVie-penned Fleetwood Mac song, and also posted the lyrics, I'll say that Tori performed the song only twice last year, and both times were in Tennessee, in cities less than 120 miles apart--in Knoxville at the Civic Auditorium on April 23, and in Chattanooga at the Tivoli Theater on August 4. And as I've asked before on this list, if anyone has any idea what it was that prompted Tori to have performed Songbird those times, and in such a specific geographic area, some of us would be interested to find out. I suspect a person who saw her both times before those shows requested it, but that's just a guess. I was privileged to have been in attendance at the Chattanooga show, and I have to say it was an unexpected highlight. And I'd never seen her go from the harmonium at the end of a show back to the piano before this, but she did it a few times. The encore sets for that show were like this-- [Encore #1] Landslide (Stevie Nicks-penned Fleetwood Mac song) Baker Baker [Encore #2] Pretty Good Year (with Caton on guitar) Etienne (on harmonium, with Caton on guitar) Songbird (Christine McVie-penned Fleetwood Mac song, Tori back on piano) That was quite blue and melancholy for encore sets. And haunting. *Someone* other than Tori must know why she only did Songbird those two times last year. Inquiring minds want to know. :-) I can't say whether Tori ever performed it on a previous tour. Those are less than exhaustively documented. > the lemon song That's a Led Zeppelin song from their album titled Led Zeppelin II, from October, 1969. It's the same album that has Thank You. This is (as I recall from back then), *the* seminal Zep album. When you think of Zep, this is the first album that comes to mind. Led Zeppelin: Discography & Lyrics http://cadman.cit.buffalo.edu/~bhaga-z/jwz/lyrics.html#TLS The Lemon Song I should have quit you, long time ago. (repeat 2 times) I wouldn't be here, my children, down on this killin' floor. I should have listened, baby, to my second mind (repeat 2 times) Everytime I go away and leave you, darling, you send me the blues way down the line. Said, people worry I can't keep you satisfied. Let me tell you baby, you ain't nothin but a two-bit, no-good jive. Went to sleep last night, worked as hard as I can, Bring home my money, you take my money, give it to another man. I should have quit you, baby, such a long time ago. I wouldn't be here with all my troubles, down on this killing floor. Squeeze me baby, till the juice runs down my leg. (repeat 2 times) The way you squeeze my lemon, I'm gonna fall right out of bed. I'm gonna leave my children down on this killing floor. The "squeeze my lemon" reference dates back to the oldest of the delta blues musicians. Robert Johnson had the lyric, "You can squeeze my lemon until the juice runs down my leg" in his song Traveling Riverside Blues. Zep were known for their American blues-based music influences, and in fact, here's the following entry from the Led Zeppelin Infrequently Murmured Trivia web site-- http://www.fancyketchupguy.com/achilles/generalinfo/geninfo4.txt o "The Lemon Song" - This track, cut live in the studio, is an amalgam of Led Zeppelin's blues influences. The major influence for this was Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor." With lyrics and an instrumental section borrowed from it, it is not surprising the band was sued for it. The suit was settled out of court. The "squeeze my lemon" sequence comes from Robert Johnson's "Travelling Riverside Blues." It is likely that Johnson borrowed this himself, from a song recorded in the same year, 1937, called "She Squeezed My Lemon." Albert King's "Cross Cut Saw" was also an influence. Some lyrics are also common to Lightning Slim's "Hoodoo Woman", such as `You take all my money and give it to another man'. "Killing Floor" has also been recorded by Jimi Hendrix, notably. Robert Johnson wrote and recorded only 29 unique songs (although he recorded more than one take of some of them). A number of rock bands from the earliest days recorded his songs, and otherwise paid homage to him. An argument can be made that without Robert Johnson, rock music as it developed would not exist. There is no argument that Robert Johnson is important. Period. Robert Johnson : The Man, The Myth, The Music http://miavx1.acs.muohio.edu/~flannetd/ROBJON.HTML > peeping tommy It's properly spelled Peeping Tomi, and it's an unreleased song from the UtP sessions, and was written in 1993. > to the fair motor maids of japan To The Fair Motormaids of Japan is an unreleased song from the Pele sessions, and was written in 1995. Meade, were you given to believe that Tori has publicly performed Peeping Tomi, Motormaids, and The Lemon Song anywhere in public? If you can point me in the right direction, I'd like to know about that. Thanks. > abbey road and om la boulegh (sp?) (accoustic cafe, i know, but lyrics > anyone?) (It's spelled Omla Bomleigh, apparently.) Jason has a version of them that he got together. I'll leave it to him to post them. If he isn't comfortable with that for some reason, I'll send them to you privately. > ah yes, btw staci and richard handal: the jim stapleton bio turned out > to be the mick st michaels tiny bio, mislabled i guess. ): Oh, okay. Thanks a lot. I was still wondering about that. No *wonder* I didn't find anything on it. May I go get coffee, now? ;-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:33:44 -0500 From: pigs@swva.net (Martin) Subject: Bee sides artwork Hi! Does anybody know of a website that has the artwork from the Bee Sides songbook? I'd love to have some of the pictures but don't want to buy the book just yet...thanks a lot! Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 22:31:41 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Songbird addendum Hi, Again: I was unable to connect to Mike's web site earlier, but I just did, and came up with the following, which Tori supposedly said from the stage before playing Songbird in Knoxville on April 23 last year-- "Here's one I haven't done in about 15 years so we'll see what happens with it." I'd forgotten that I read that before. Looks like she didn't perform it on either previous tour. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 22:21:44 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Tori mention Hi EWFs, The student newspaper at Indiana University, the ids or Indiana Daily Student (also referred to as the Indiana Daily Stupid) mentions Tori in a review of Sarah McLachlan's concert at the Murat in Indianapolis. The review, by Jonathan Cohen, is in this Friday's edition (7 Nov) and titled, "McLachlan gives near-perfect show." The pertinent quote is: McLachlan's devoted fan base displayed the utmost courtesy for their heroine, keeping dead silent during the songs and never ruining a quiet passage with merciless screaming (try and attend a Tori Amos concert without this happening repeatedly). I doubt that Sarah's fans are any more "devoted" than Tori's. Perhaps they are just more reserved. ;-) In Tori, Charlie - -- +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:37:48 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Another Tori mention Hello again EWFs, Fiona Apple will be appearing at the Indiana University auditorium on the 19th. There is a monthly independent magazine called The Ryder which has a four paragraph "tease" about the concert. Here is part of the second: Apple and her band are a less than innovative hybrid of earlier sounds: the angsty feedback of PJ Harvey, the clever and appealing soul grooves of Luscious Jackson, the melancholic balladry of Tori Amos, and most notably, if not so evidently, the jazzy and bluesy swing of Nina Simone. Melancholic balladry. Hmmm. In Tori, Charlie - -- +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: Traumachik@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's assumed sexuality >What does this have to do with lesbianism??? >It's open to so much interpretation.... I probably should have noted that my personal interpretation was that it was about her lesbianism. I've never read any interviews with Tori where she said that was what it was specifically about, but I guess to me it always sounded like it was about an experiment with "the other side" in a place where that's unacceptable. But that's just me. - --C. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #315 *************************************