From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #303 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, October 28 1997 Volume 02 : Number 303 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I finally did it... [Beth Winegarner ] tori amos covered [rain ] Re: YKTR [Richard Handal ] Baktabak Interview CD [Ken Tough ] Re: YKTR [Carter ] Tori Video Release Date [Carter ] Re: YKTR [Carter ] Re: YKTR [BeatleC@aol.com] Re: got my rape hat on but i always could accessorize [lellis@umr.edu] Tori and American Pie [Tsca ] Re: YKTR [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: Tori and American Pie [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: Tori and American Pie [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: YKTR [Richard Holmes ] Re: Tori and American Pie ["rosalind's pea soup" ] reincarnaiton, videos [Lanna Chidester ] Sorry, NTR ["w4barron" ] WEEKLY FEATURE: PAST THE MISSION ["Mr.Zebraa" ] Re: Tori and American Pie [madder rose ] Re: YKTR [Richard Handal ] sorry! [ChinaDust@aol.com] Re: got my rape hat on but i always could accessorize [ChinaDust@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:12:12 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: I finally did it... I've been meaning to do this for a while now... I've finally joined this discussion list. (Sorry for non-Tori posting, I just wanted to let anyone who knows me know I'm here now...) Beth - -- "Don't say you're easy on me -- you're about as easy as a nuclear war." (Duran Duran ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:03:18 -0800 From: rain Subject: tori amos covered hullo i was wondering if anyone knows what has happened to the head of the "tori amos covered" project? i have emailed him 20 times asking for my copy of tori amos covered he promised me (that was last april) with no success of reaching him. also i was curiouse to know whether there arer still any pages out there with the date place and set list of all the concerts in either the under the pink tour or the little earthquake one....or is that list still up of all the songs tori played during dew drop inn and how many times she played them? thanks guys ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 04:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: YKTR Bob Moyer quoted: > lellis@umr.edu wrote: > > > true, but the only reason she wrote these things in that style was > > because the *record company* wanted it that way. do you think she > > *wanted* it that way? she has said that she wants every copy of yktr > > burned! (don't know the source) And then commented-- > On the other hand, if that's the case, why has she started playing it > more and more in concert...? I think it's important to distguish between the recordings on YKTR and the *songs*. Some of the songs can stand up on their own, but that becomes easier if one overlooks the way they were arranged, recorded, and produced. I think Tori does still see merit in some of those songs, but would just as soon the YKTR recordings *of* them not exist. And BTW--I heard a rumor that the band members which constituted YKTR only played one gig ever, and then broke up one week before they went into the studio to record, and a bunch of other people had to be brought in at the last minute to actually record the album, and Caton's only really on one song. As much as I've read about Tori, this didn't ring any bells, and I don't know how to find a reliable print or other source on this. (Although I may ask Caton more about this sometime.) Anyway, if anyone can either point me to where this is discussed--whether it's confirmed or denied--I would be most appreciative. Thanks. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. P.S.: Welcome to Beth Winegarner! Beth is way cool. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:48:56 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Baktabak Interview CD I'd like to know when the interview that is on the (reasonably) newly released Baktabak CD was recorded. Anyone know? - -- Ken Tough Cornwall ken@objectech.co.uk United Kingdom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:44:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Carter Subject: Re: YKTR On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Richard Handal wrote: >And BTW--I heard a rumor that the band members which constituted YKTR only >played one gig ever, and then broke up one week before they went into the >studio to record, and a bunch of other people had to be brought in at the >last minute to actually record the album, and Caton's only really on one >song. Richard, I *think*, if my memory serves, Tori mentions this in the Septemeber 1992 issue of Keyboard magazine. I have it at home, but not to hand, and everywhere I look on the net it's only held on web sites that have long disappeared! Anyone else help? Paul http://toristuff.home.ml.org - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "Inside his head, he's dead, he said 'I never was alive'" - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- The World Of Grendel : http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du The World of Tori : http://toristuff.home.ml.org - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "The elite is by definition a minority" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:49:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Carter Subject: Tori Video Release Date I just thought I'd let you all know that the UK release date for the Live in New York video has been confirmed as Monday the 10th of November. I went and asked in Our Price and the bloke had a big list of all the impending releases, which he showed me. At last! Paul - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "Inside his head, he's dead, he said 'I never was alive'" - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- The World Of Grendel : http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du The World of Tori : http://toristuff.home.ml.org - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "The elite is by definition a minority" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:46:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Carter Subject: Re: YKTR On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Richard Handal wrote: >And BTW--I heard a rumor that the band members which constituted YKTR only >played one gig ever, and then broke up one week before they went into the >studio to record, and a bunch of other people had to be brought in at the >last minute to actually record the album, and Caton's only really on one >song. Isn't this mentioned somewhere in "All These Years"? I don't have iqyt to hand, but I've read this more than once. Actually, now I think about it, it might also be in the September 1992 issue of "Keyboard" magazine - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "Inside his head, he's dead, he said 'I never was alive'" - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- The World Of Grendel : http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du The World of Tori : http://toristuff.home.ml.org - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "The elite is by definition a minority" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:49:20 -0500 (EST) From: BeatleC@aol.com Subject: Re: YKTR could you please redirect the mail you are sending me to bandingo69 that is my other screen name, thank you, send verification if you like ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:18:36 -0600 (CST) From: lellis@umr.edu Subject: Re: got my rape hat on but i always could accessorize > yup. alice walker is a great writer! i haven't read "possessing the secret of > joy" yet, but i'm reading "the color purple" right now, and it was so vivid, > i was close to tears when i read the first page in the bookstore. anyone else > like alice walker? it seems like no one even knows who the hell she is! alice walker is wonderful! i did a book report on the color purple when i was in high school! i loved the movie, then decided to read the book! i also saw her on the rosie o'donnel show once and she reminded me very much of tori. her manner of speaking was very metaphorical and "deep." she seemed like a wonderful lady with lots to say about life. (just like tori) i totally see why her work is an inspiration to tori... leah raisin girl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ birthname: leah ellis business grrrl & dj 573.368.4795 !y! kmnr 89.7 fm lellis@umr.edu hear me: 3pm-5pm wednesdays univ.of missouri- rolla talk to me: 573.341.4272 see me: www.umr.edu/~lellis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "boys are cute, but food is cuter." --tori amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:10:40 +0100 From: Tsca Subject: Tori and American Pie Hi, Has Tori ever covered 'American Pie' by Don McLean? Some time ago I taped (from radio) Tori singing a part of 'AP' a capella, and I am curious whether she ever made the whole song. Thanks. _________ T s c a mailto:tsca@cryogen.com _________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:43:12 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: YKTR In a message dated 97-10-27 04:54:41 EST, handal@access.digex.net writes: << And BTW--I heard a rumor that the band members which constituted YKTR only played one gig ever, and then broke up one week before they went into the studio to record, and a bunch of other people had to be brought in at the last minute to actually record the album, and Caton's only really on one song. As much as I've read about Tori, this didn't ring any bells, and I don't know how to find a reliable print or other source on this. (Although I may ask Caton more about this sometime.) Anyway, if anyone can either point me to where this is discussed--whether it's confirmed or denied--I would be most appreciative. >> Hee, I'm surprised I didn't tell you this, Richard. In Roanoke, VA last year on October 11, I had a chance to speak with Caton for about 15 or so minutes, and I asked him about Y Kant Tori Read and it turns out that he did only play on one song on the album, and that was "Cool On Your Island." Hope this info is helpful.... - -j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:56:58 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori and American Pie In a message dated 97-10-27 12:51:59 EST, tsca@cryogen.com writes: << Has Tori ever covered 'American Pie' by Don McLean? Some time ago I taped (from radio) Tori singing a part of 'AP' a capella, and I am curious whether she ever made the whole song. >> Tori has covered "American Pie" in concert, and she even used to sing it as an intro to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" as a tribute to Kurt Cobain. The song can be found on many bootlegs, but Tori has never recorded it for an official release. Hope that helps... - -j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:51:46 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori and American Pie On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Tsca wrote: > Has Tori ever covered 'American Pie' by Don McLean? > Some time ago I taped (from radio) Tori singing a part of > 'AP' a capella, and I am curious whether she ever made > the whole song. Tori has used part of "American Pie" as an intro to her cover of Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit". She has not covered the whole song, she just uses the last stanza. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: YKTR Bob Moyer writes: > lellis@umr.edu wrote: > > > true, but the only reason she wrote these things in that style was > > because the *record company* wanted it that way. do you think she > > *wanted* it that way? she has said that she wants every copy of yktr > > burned! (don't know the source) Probably *because* she's ashamed that she sacrificed her integrity so much !! But, still, part of herself came shining through - you can see her gifts as a deep and creative songwriter in both the imagery of some of the "mundane" songs, as well as in the socially conscious "Floating City" as well as the haunting "Etienne Trilogy". I think that a lot of my high opinion of Tori has been influenced by these two songs, and I for one couldn't imagine life without them, esp. Etienne. > On the other hand, if that's the case, why has she started > playing it more and more > in concert...? Especially Entienne? She is!?! Yeayah! > I don't think you can dismiss YKTR as an album simply because > Tori didn't have full > creative control. Sure, we've seen that her music > only gets better and better the > more control she has, but does that mean there is > nothing in YKTR? It wouldn't be > a Tori album if it didn't have some piece of her in there. Agreed! > (That's why I think it's strange people complain about > her moving away from the > "girl-with-a-piano" THANG...the more she experiments, > the better she is.) It is funny 'cuz I really like her rockin' songs, like God, Cornflake Girl, and Caught a Light Sneeze. - - Richard @ \@/ Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) @ | @ \|/ "Maybe I'm A Witch / Lost In Time @ | Running Through The Fields / Of Scotland By Your Side [...] @ , , | , , Maybe You're The Knight / Who Saved My Life @ ' ' ' ' ' Maybe We Faced / The Fire Side By Side @ - Tori Amos, "Etienne Trilogy" (from "Y Kant Tori Read") @ @ Kiva / Kate Price \ Dar Williams / Renaissance \ Sheila Chandra / Laura Love @ Susan McKeown \ Sarah McLachlan / Libana \ Danielle Dax \ Dog Faced Hermans @ Loreena McKennitt / Kate Bush \ Tori Amos / Katell Keineg / Happy Rhodes @ Ingrid Karklins \ Sinead O'Connor / Jane Siberry / Pauline Oliveros ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:16:16 CST From: "rosalind's pea soup" Subject: Re: Tori and American Pie The most readily available Tori interview cd comes with a cd of radio interviews done right before the bfp release-I think they were all recorded one morning in December of '95.(not crystal clear, though...) Anyway, she does this AP intro in one of the interviews, when asked about Kurt's death. This is NOT a boot, and you can probably find it at Disc Jockey or Best Buy. (I'm just trying to be helpful, but I'm probably spouting information that everybody knows already) have a good one kerriloo^"I say the world is sick, You say tell me what that makes us darlin'" <<>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:43:59 -0700 From: "Raven's Call" Subject: OkToriFest in Dallas Hey everyone! OkToriFest in Dallas was this past weekend. We had about 16 people show up total (about 8 unexpected) out of 25 people total who expressed interest and it turned out great! We recorded all of us singing Happy Phantom, In the Springtime of his Voodoo, and Leather for the Tori Amos Covered 2. We will send in Leather and Happy Phantom. Voodoo didn't turn out that well but hey, it was a blast! We had 16 of us packed in around a mike! It was so much fun. We watched all kinds of videos, listened to boots galor, and other stuff. Watched the interesting video of The Big Picture, etc. We made t-shirts that turned out really well. (A picture of Tori at the Piano in the middle. It had leaves falling around it and in each Leaf was a diffent picture of Tori, and OkToriFest '97 at the Top, Dallas, TX on the bottom.) We dubbed stuff and made parodies (or tried) of just about every Tori song. We decided that with how many mistakes me made trying to sing, we should do a Demo's and outakes CD! :) But it was a blast! We had pink streamers so we were all "Under the Pink". :) Kyle brought a CD (Somewhere over the Rainbow), a poster, and a piece of art of the DDI Dallas done by an artist in FW (signed and numbers 101/500 to give away in a drawing and some post cards/stickers to hand out. Thanks Kyle! Well, it worked so well and we had so much fun that we think we might have a WinterToriFest sometime. It would be after Christmas (the holidays are too busy as it is...). :) Raven - --- - -Life is like a messy room. --Raven's Call - -Emotions are the one true language in which we as humans fail to understand. --Raven's Call - -Moses I know, I know you've seen the fire, but you've never seen the fire, until you've seen a Pele blow.. --Tori Amos, Muhammad My Friend, Boys for Pele ----- ----- / \*/ \ / /^\ \ - -Wind Beneath Thy Wings... from Ravens.call@mailexcite.com Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: Lanna Chidester Subject: reincarnaiton, videos hi all! it is me lanna... my email account at hotmail died so i opened this one... just to let you know that it's me.. now to the important part: i was at oktorifest in dallas this weekend (it was fantastic =) ) and i asked around while viewing videos and noone really knew... is the little girl in the SATY video the same one in the CALS video?? the age difference is about right... anyone know?? ttyl lanna/gemenai Gemenai's Little Pad on the Web http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gemenai "peel not a banana still a peel not a bananana..." -Tori Amos _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:35:05 -0500 From: "w4barron" Subject: Sorry, NTR Um....I have this chat program called Microsoft Chat and have run into several Tori fans on there. I was just wondering if anyone on the list had the same program. If there were a few who did I was thinking it would be fun to open up a room exclusively for people on the list to talk about everything tori. Just an idea. "I think the Good Book is missing some pages..." Jessica ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:45:22 -0600 From: "Mr.Zebraa" Subject: WEEKLY FEATURE: PAST THE MISSION PAST THE MISSION WEEKLY FEATURE AT http://www.geocities.com/paris/metro/6346/happhant.htm Circles Circles Circles Circles ~Again~ Circles Circles Circles Circles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:42:07 -0600 From: madder rose Subject: Re: Tori and American Pie Tsca wrote: > > Hi, > > Has Tori ever covered 'American Pie' by Don McLean? > yes, she used to (and sometimes still does) sing the first few verses before smells like teen spirit. http://www.mhv.net/~anabug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:58:27 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: YKTR Paul Tweedy responded to a post from me, thusly: > On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Richard Handal wrote: > > >And BTW--I heard a rumor that the band members which constituted YKTR > >only played one gig ever, and then broke up one week before they went > >into the studio to record, and a bunch of other people had to be > >brought in at the last minute to actually record the album, and Caton's > >only really on one song. > > Richard, > > I *think*, if my memory serves, Tori mentions this in the Septemeber 1992 > issue of Keyboard magazine. Good call! I didn't have this electronically as an independent article in my articles folder, but found it in the early archives of RDT. She does address some of my questions, but not all of them. Jason addressed another of my questions. (Thanks, Jason. Caton could be a handy reference, couldn't he?) Here's the relevant portion of that Keyboard article-- (U.S.) Keyboard magazine, September, 1992 Interview apparently conducted on May 9, 1992 On Failure KEYBOARD: After listening to _Little Earthquakes_, many readers will find your escapades in the rock world hard to believe. We understand that you don't like to talk about it much, but we're curious to know what role that experience played in your artistic development. TORI: The band was together for about two years. We rehearsed three times a week and only played one gig. That's all we did -- we stayed in the rehearsal studio, made a tape, got signed, and split up. <>====<> <>====<> <>====<> <>====<> <>====<> And here's another relevant quote I found-- (German) Keyboards magazine, June, 1992 Interview conducted March 7, 1992 KEYBOARDS: Did people at that time push you to make a metal album? TORI: Let's just say nobody stopped me! But I'm not placing the blame on anyone but myself. Later I swore to myself that I would never make an album again that didn't represent me. Y Kant Tori Read was a band that already existed before I came to it. They had huge problems, the lineup changed constantly, and I thus recorded the album with different bandmembers. I said to myself then, They've rejected me so many times, now I'll show them! I wanted to prove something, but wanting to prove something to the world is no good motivation to make music. <>====<> <>====<> <>====<> <>====<> <>====<> So, it seems the entirety of the rumor I heard might be correct, but I'll feel more comfortable about repeating all parts of it as truth if and when I see it spelled out more explicitly in black and white, or on a tape from Tori's lips. Thanks for all the help, guys! Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:56:50 -0500 (EST) From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: sorry! i think i screwed up and sent out a bunch of mutated postings. i'm sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:53:40 -0500 (EST) From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Re: got my rape hat on but i always could accessorize In a message dated 97-10-28 00:22:46 EST, alicia writes: << I like her, I haven't read "Possessing the Secret of Joy" yet because I haven't found it, but I've read "The Color Purple" and "In Search of Our Mothers' Gardens", and loved them both. "In Search..." is a book that has many essays and speeches Alice Walker has written about women, black women, black men, and people she admires or has admired. "The Color Purple" was hard for me to read at first because of the style it's in (my 1st language is spanish), but it was shocking, very shocking and incredible in the way Alice Walker wasn't afraid to write about, to *be* Celie, and when I read these books I understood, or began to understand, how Tori can compose her music and write her lyrics the way she does, being so vulnerable, showing what she is inside. Enough of this endless talk, what is your opinion? bye, Alicia >> alicia, i can agree with you on the difficulty with the form of "the color purple." i mean, when i read the first page in the bookstore (ah, yes, i picked up on the tori book-choosing technique, and it's saved me from a lot of schitt) i was like, "no! i can't even understand this!", but by the second paragraph i could just feel the meaning, like i can do with tori. (trying real real hard to include tori in the subject so this posting isn't rejected by the list owner) i can see why tori likes alice walker so much...walker has got the same magic...you know...the becoming...i dunno about you, alicia, but i'm first-generation chinese, and my parents think i'm wacko 'cause of the culture clash. they're very, very sexist, and i've had a rougher childhood than most, and, er...alice walker (and tori!!!) really does something for my head. just me, eileen "the human heart contains hidden treasures" (might have dropped a word or two) - -charlotte bronte ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #303 *************************************