From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #231 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, August 24 1997 Volume 02 : Number 231 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I'M BACK! [dilbert@metro.net] read everything? ["Michael L. Whitehead" ] Re: I'm sorry! [Richard Handal ] Re: I'm sorry! [bluegirl ] Re: read everything? [Richard Handal ] Re: The wonderful thing about Tiggers . . . [FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGIL] Re: DDI Boulder !i got it! ["Gucci Little Piggy" ] Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? ["Gucci Little Piggy" ] Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: DDI Boulder !i got it! [Nadyne Mielke ] Tori's Virginity [ANaStAsla@aol.com] Re: DDI Boulder !i got it! [Casey ] Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? ["Heather Croteau" ] Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? [Fishlove@aol.com] Re: DDI Boulder !i got it! [bluegirl ] Re: MIDI ["Damon Schmidt" ] Re: Tori's Virginity [bluegirl ] Re: y kant ["Damon Schmidt" ] Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? [Richard Handal ] Re: Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere becoming a feature film ["Damon Schmidt" ] Re: Tori's Virginity [RAINN18@aol.com] Re: Tori's Virginity ["Gucci Little Piggy" ] Tori's virginity . . . [becky ] Re: Tori's Virginity [bluegirl ] Re: Tori's Virginity [dee zed stroke zero one five ] Re: Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere becoming a feature film [FLOOD <9606523y@MAG] [none] [Katherine Ewald ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:34:50 -0700 From: dilbert@metro.net Subject: I'M BACK! Hi, I am back here after my computer broke and required a week of work on it! Does anyone know about the people on the Great Expectations soundtrack? Because I have heard 3 AWESOME AMAZING names: Tori, Poe, and (possibly) ALANIS!!!! PLEASE GET BACK TO ME!!!!! Tarot Scream! You got an e-mail from Tarot Webmaster of "Shadows of Ourselves, The Groovy Duncan Sheik Site" http://metro.net/dilbert "'Great stong men who don't know what a clock is?!' said Pippi. 'Where in the world where you brought up? The clock is a little round thingamajig that says tick-tack-tick-tack and it goes and goes but never gets to the door." --Pippi Longstocking ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:40:21 -0400 From: "Michael L. Whitehead" Subject: read everything? Richard Handal stated: >I haven't seen >everything written about Tori, of course. There are some of us who might debate that fact Richard! ;) Yours in Tori, MIkewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:55:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: I'm sorry! Erin said: > Let me clear up what I meant. I did not mean to be invading Tori's > privacy in any way. But you did ask for information beyond that which she may have ever given herself in public. My way of thinking is that if Tori speaks about it publicly herself, then it's fair game as a topic for further public discussion. That said, I got a little queasy from some of the things in her official biography, so I seem to have a comfort threshold that's a bit lower for such things than Tori has. > Somebody that saw her at a show I was not attending heard that quote I > brought up, and I just had not heard the history behind it. Ahh, then. That might explain this. Someone was kind enough to send me a concert video a few months back, and when I got it I went to check the reviews for the concert on Mike Whitehead's website. There was a point in the show about which, in one review, someone supposedly characterized what Tori had spoken from the stage. The words she might have spoken were of great interest to me for personal reasons, so I listened with care when that part of the show came on my tape. It turned out that the person had mischaracterized Tori's words. The person was hearing what he had *expected* to hear her say about the subject--not what she actually *did* say about it. I have absolute proof! It's a videotape with no edits, and I've watched it repeatedly! It doesn't match the reviewer's words! This is a story that has been repeated with other people I know. They would read a review of a show, and then get a tape of that show and compare supposed quotes from the show with the tape of what she actually said at that show, and it's a regular thing for them to discover that the supposed quotes were not accurate to the point that her meaning was lost. Trial attorneys know very well that eyewitness accounts are some of the most unreliable evidence admitted in legal cases. All too often people hear and see what they are already, in their own minds, primed to hear and see. At a Tori concert it's not always easy to hear her with great clarity when she speaks, and the excitement of being at one of her shows can be distracting, too. Now, I'm not saying Tori *didn't* say what you said she did, or that it might not have been some variant of what your friend told you Tori said at that show. (I'm curious which show it was, now. Would you please let us know?) I only want to plant seeds of doubt about such accounts of what people might say they heard. Tori is especially prone to misinterpretation because of the way she speaks. She blurs time, leaves gaping holes for subtext rather than giving detailed factual accounts, and generally says things which are so off the wall that one might have a hard time figuring out what she meant, even if one had a tape of her saying it, anyway. This is one reason I urge folks to take quotes attributed to her with a grain of salt--even from respected print sources. And even if she said something on a recording you have, and you can really hear and understand what it was she said--and you *know* she said it because you heard it for yourself--it may be something she's changed her mind about by the next interview. Tori's a very fluid thinker. What may have seemed "insanely young" to her today might seem average to her when she speaks about it tomorrow, etc. > I should have phrased it better; I'm sorry for generating trouble and I > hope you all understand now. Okay. I understand. No real harm done. In the words of the late writer Isaac Bashevis Singer regarding making a determination as to the seriousness (or lack thereof) in relation to a specific event, "Were any children killed?" Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:29:38 -0500 From: bluegirl Subject: Re: I'm sorry! personally, i think it is ok... :) misunderstandings happen. i personally don't wanna really know about her time, just as much as i don't want her to know about MY first time... but i understand how ppl can say things that can be EASILY misinterpreted. thank you for the kind apology & i am glad that no one seems to have seriously judged you harshly... cause ppl can jump onto someone very fast (especially over the internet). it is easy to assume the worst about a person and what they have to say when all you see of them is words on a computer screen. you r just a girl who is interested tori... you just kinda happened apon a "taboo"issue i guess. misunderstandings & mistakes happen. ~marissa at-->mlverma@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu _____________________________ | hEllo EveRybOdy | | iT's ME. nOt anYone ElsE | | jUsT mE. HIII. | | ******* | | ->delirium of the Endless<- | |_____________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: read everything? Mike Whitehead said: > Richard Handal stated: > > >I haven't seen > >everything written about Tori, of course. > > There are some of us who might debate that fact Richard! ;) Now, don't go getting me into trouble, Mike! And as you well know, we have a mutual friend who's managed to collect and read many more articles than *I* have. So far. :-) I've got quite a ways to go. I'm sure others--on this list, even--have read more about her and heard more radio interviews than I have. I regularly defer to the knowledge of others. I just have a bigger virtual mouth, is all. :-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:48:12 +0930 From: FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> Subject: Re: The wonderful thing about Tiggers . . . My girlfriend reckons that Winnie the Pooh was actually writtenfor adults, when you examine the fact that each fo the characters manifests a certain mental illness. Eg. Eeeore (or however one spells it) is a manic depressive, Rabbit suffers from some form of obsessive / compulsive behaviour, Piglet is paranoid etc etc. Kinda makes sense when you think about it. TTFN Michael Francis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:25:50 +0000 From: "Gucci Little Piggy" Subject: Re: DDI Boulder !i got it! Hallo, Okay, I've deliberated with myself and I reckon I need the DDI Boulder CD. Sod the budget. I've missed (or deleted) any posts with information on how to get it, so could anyone help me??? Bearing in mind I live in England and bootlegs aren't terribly easy to come by here unless you go to a record fair. Although a tape trade would do (I've got some good trade material), I'd really just like to buy the CD somewhere. Cheers Paul On 23 Aug 97 at 17:43, bluegirl allegedly said: > i just got my copy of DDI Boulder in the mail.... not only does it > look beautiful, but it truely does sound beautiful. great moments, > great songs & great quality. i WISH she had played Muhammad My > Friend one of those nights; but oh well. she playes with such > energy & power during this show, she really does sound great. > marissa is one happy girl. thank you Richard Handal for the tip & > the addy. > > ~marissa =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "I'm not a vampire, I'm a | http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du driving instructor!" | http://toristuff.home.ml.org Paul.Tweedy@durham.ac.uk | grendel@cus.umist.ac.uk | * Currently playing * ICQ : 1988634 | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Like clothes from the 70's? Then piss off back to the 70's!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 05:59:48 CDT From: hope414@houston.email.net Subject: DDI Boulder I completely understand where Paul is coming from.. I also need the DDI Boulder CD. Could anyone give me some tips/info on where I could get a fair deal on this important collectible? Many Thanks, Hope ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:14:35 -0400 From: becky Subject: Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? I can't find the exact quote at the moment but I do believe that Tori probably did lose her virginity at an early age. I picked up a little cd-sized booklet about Tori and she says, "Hey, I was considering sex when I was 10." Now, that doesn't necessarily mean anything but, hey, you never know. becky At 04:40 PM 8/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Erin said: > >> Tori talks sometimes about "losing her virginity at an inanely young >> age". > >(I assume this was a typo, and that Erin meant to say at an "insanely" >early age.) I never heard her quoted anywhere as having said that. Can >Erin or anyone else point me to a specific citation of a published article >in which she was quoted as having said that? I'm definitely not interested >in delving into her private life in the manner suggested by another >portion of Erin's post, but if she has spoken about losing her virginity >at an early age I would like to know what she said. I'm also calling >Erin's bluff, because I never heard of such a quote. I haven't seen >everything written about Tori, of course. > >Thanks. > >Be seeing you, > >Richard Handal, H.G. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:11:19 +0000 From: "Gucci Little Piggy" Subject: Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? On 24 Aug 97 at 12:14, becky allegedly said: > I can't find the exact quote at the moment but I do believe that > Tori probably did lose her virginity at an early age. I picked up a > little cd-sized booklet about Tori and she says, "Hey, I was > considering sex when I was 10." Now, that doesn't necessarily mean > anything but, hey, you never know. Am I the only one who finds this subject unnecessary and distasteful? Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "I'm not a vampire, I'm a | http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du driving instructor!" | http://toristuff.home.ml.org Paul.Tweedy@durham.ac.uk | grendel@cus.umist.ac.uk | * Currently playing * ICQ : 1988634 | Def Leppard : 'Vault' =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Like clothes from the 70's? Then piss off back to the 70's!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:36:58 -0400 From: gerryjd Subject: Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? Gucci Little Piggy wrote: > > On 24 Aug 97 at 12:14, becky allegedly said: > > > I can't find the exact quote at the moment but I do believe that > > Tori probably did lose her virginity at an early age. I picked up a > > little cd-sized booklet about Tori and she says, "Hey, I was > > considering sex when I was 10." Now, that doesn't necessarily mean > > anything but, hey, you never know. > > Am I the only one who finds this subject unnecessary and distasteful? > > Paul Yes you are. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, gerryjd wrote: > Gucci Little Piggy wrote: [Tori's virginity] > > Am I the only one who finds this subject unnecessary and distasteful? > Yes you are. Actually, no he's not. First of all, I find it rather rude to be discussing this. The woman deserves some form of privacy. I don't see why it should matter if she first had sex with Joe Blow from Minneapolis, MN. It's her business, and I don't think that it's appropriate for us to be discussing it. When I see subjects like this come up, I understand exactly why Amy Ray and Emily Saliers of the Indigo Girls have very specifically requested that their online fans -not- discuss their personal lives. So much that they say at a show, in an interview, etc, can be taken far out of context or misreported. And honestly, it's none of our bloody business. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:57:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: DDI Boulder !i got it! A few folks have asked where to get the boot Dew Drop Inn Boulder. I picked up my copy from Rainy Day Records. They're in the process of moving from Atlanta to Key West, but I -think- they should be pretty close to getting set up. Their toll-free number {for those stateside, that is} is (800)636-6166. For those outside the country that don't want to pay horrendous long-distance charges, I'll post their new email and URL when they get set up with a new net provider down in Key West. If anyone would like a cassette copy of this boot, drop me a line at mielke@mindspring.com. Note that this isn't the email address that this note is originating from, so -don't- just hit reply. Any bootleg requests to this address are ignored. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:30:01 -0400 (EDT) From: ANaStAsla@aol.com Subject: Tori's Virginity Why don't you all just put Erin in front of a firing squad? You people are just as rude to sit here and bitch at this girl who only asked a simple question,that Tori seems to be very open about. Tori is a very open minded person,and even wrote a song about her own rape. She has even writen very much about sexuality(maybe,maybe not her own).Do you people really think Tori would condemn her for asking the simple question? If you people don't know the answer to her question just leave her be. You have to realize that your talking about a woman who supposedly plays her piano nude. Does this seem like a very closed minded person,sexually? All she did was ask for confirmation on whether the source she got the information from,was true. Lets try and be a bit more pasive(sp.?). "Peace,Love,and a Hard Cock" Josh ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Tori's 'Craft of the Piano'" http://members.aol.com/Anastasia/tori.html (the i in anastasia is a lowercase L) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ :~*:~*:~*:~*~:*~:*:~*~:*~:*:(Faery Dust,to cast peace,love,and happiness on you all!) Faerywell. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 13:34:12 -0000 From: Casey Subject: Re: DDI Boulder !i got it! >Okay, I've deliberated with myself and I reckon I need the DDI >Boulder CD. Sod the budget. I've missed (or deleted) any posts with >information on how to get it, so could anyone help me??? Bearing in >mind I live in England and bootlegs aren't terribly easy to come by >here unless you go to a record fair. Although a tape trade would do >(I've got some good trade material), I'd really just like to buy the >CD somewhere. You can get it from the *wonderful* Rainny Day Records. Give them a call at 1-800-636-6166 and ask for Jeff ... he's great. They'll send it to you for $45+s&h. While that seems a little steep, trust me. Once you put it in the stereo that price will just not seem to matter even one little bit ;) - -Casey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= / "If I shed a tear, I won't cage it ... if I feel a rage I won't / \ deny it ... I won't fear love" \ / -Sarah McLachlan; 'Fumbling Towards Ecstasy' / \ \ / "I have my own parties. They involve being barefoot with a piece / \ of fried chicken and a margarita in each hand." \ / -Tori Amos / =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:20:03 -0400 From: "Heather Croteau" Subject: Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? Gucci Little Piggy wrote: >> >> On 24 Aug 97 at 12:14, becky allegedly said: >> >> > I can't find the exact quote at the moment but I do believe that >> > Tori probably did lose her virginity at an early age. I picked up a >> > little cd-sized booklet about Tori and she says, "Hey, I was >> > considering sex when I was 10." Now, that doesn't necessarily mean >> > anything but, hey, you never know. >> >> Am I the only one who finds this subject unnecessary and distasteful? >> >> Paul >Yes you are. No, not really. I'll have to come out of hiding to support Paul on this one. I just don't think it's necessary to discuss this matter anymore. I personally don't think that Tori would appreciate it. It's her business and not ours. humbly submitted. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:39:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Fishlove@aol.com Subject: Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? This conversation is entirely irrelavent because we all know that, in her heart at least, Tori lost her virginity to Robert Plant while listening to Led Zep. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:46:57 -0500 From: bluegirl Subject: Re: DDI Boulder !i got it! i am having email problems with sending email to certain addies... so i have to post it to the list this is for Gucci Little Piggy" & anyone else who is interested. here is the addy of the guy i got it from. i don't know if they have anymore left..... it is limited edition. bang! 156 Grant Aveenue Medford, MA 02155 (617) 391-0904. e.mail: LennyS@cybercom.net there you go... it is $47 At 11:25 AM 8/24/97 +0000, Gucci Little Piggy wrote: >Hallo, > >Okay, I've deliberated with myself and I reckon I need the DDI >Boulder CD. Sod the budget. I've missed (or deleted) any posts with >information on how to get it, so could anyone help me??? Bearing in >mind I live in England and bootlegs aren't terribly easy to come by >here unless you go to a record fair. Although a tape trade would do >(I've got some good trade material), I'd really just like to buy the >CD somewhere. > >Cheers > >Paul > >On 23 Aug 97 at 17:43, bluegirl allegedly said: > >> i just got my copy of DDI Boulder in the mail.... not only does it >> look beautiful, but it truely does sound beautiful. great moments, >> great songs & great quality. i WISH she had played Muhammad My >> Friend one of those nights; but oh well. she playes with such >> energy & power during this show, she really does sound great. >> marissa is one happy girl. thank you Richard Handal for the tip & >> the addy. >> >> ~marissa >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > "I'm not a vampire, I'm a | http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du > driving instructor!" | http://toristuff.home.ml.org > Paul.Tweedy@durham.ac.uk | > grendel@cus.umist.ac.uk | * Currently playing * > ICQ : 1988634 | >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Like clothes from the 70's? Then piss off back to the 70's!!!! > > ~marissa at-->mlverma@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu _____________________________ | hEllo EveRybOdy | | iT's ME. nOt anYone ElsE | | jUsT mE. HIII. | | ******* | | ->delirium of the Endless<- | |_____________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:34:19 -0500 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: Re: MIDI > Does anyone know where I can find good MIDI files on the web. Or does > anyone on this list have a way of making MIDI files. If anyone can give > me info, I would be very gracious. Thank you :) > http://mbr.simplenet.com/ should workvery well. An EXTENSIVE collection of MIDI. Damon A. Schmidt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:07:45 -0500 From: bluegirl Subject: Re: Tori's Virginity i second this i may not be interested in when she lost her virginity... & i won't get into discussion about it. but i also wouldn't rip a person to shreds for asking such an innocent question. & yes, i believe that it was a fairly innocent one. ppl just made it into something bigger than it actually was. erin was curious about a quote, big freakin deal. mistakes happen. and ppl say regrettable things all the time. i bet everyone here has done a lot worse than erin did. anyhow... thats all i have to say about this isssue. take care all, marissa At 02:30 PM 8/24/97 -0400, ANaStAsla@aol.com wrote: >Why don't you all just put Erin in front of a firing squad? You people are >just as rude to sit here and bitch at this girl who only asked a simple >question,that Tori seems to be very open about. Tori is a very open minded >person,and even wrote a song about her own rape. She has even writen very >much about sexuality(maybe,maybe not her own).Do you people really think Tori >would condemn her for asking the simple question? If you people don't know >the answer to her question just leave her be. You have to realize that your >talking about a woman who supposedly plays her piano nude. Does this seem >like a very closed minded person,sexually? All she did was ask for >confirmation on whether the source she got the information from,was true. >Lets try and be a bit more pasive(sp.?). > >"Peace,Love,and a Hard Cock" >Josh > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"Tori's 'Craft of the Piano'" > >http://members.aol.com/Anastasia/tori.html (the i in anastasia is a lowercase >L) > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >:~*:~*:~*:~*~:*~:*:~*~:*~:*:(Faery Dust,to cast peace,love,and happiness on >you all!) > >Faerywell. > > ~marissa at-->mlverma@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu _____________________________ | hEllo EveRybOdy | | iT's ME. nOt anYone ElsE | | jUsT mE. HIII. | | ******* | | ->delirium of the Endless<- | |_____________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:50:58 -0500 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: Re: y kant > album, plus Ode to the Banana King, Happy Worker, and a live happy phantom. > Is this a legitimate Cd or a counterfeit? Anyone who knows, please let me > know! > > . . . and of course, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TORI. . . my birthday was the 21st, and i > was out most of the night, so my birthday sort of faded into hers ;-) > > --rae It's a boot, I have it, it's very good quality. Damon A. Schmidt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:59:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Ummmmm....deflowering? Becky said: > I can't find the exact quote at the moment but I do believe that Tori > probably did lose her virginity at an early age. I picked up a little > cd-sized booklet about Tori and she says, "Hey, I was considering sex > when I was 10." Now, that doesn't necessarily mean anything but, hey, > you never know. This is exactly why I am trying to get to the bottom of this. Tori has repeatedly told how she wished she could have run away and lost her virginity with Robert Plant when she was 10. If some people have been hearing that as an indication that she did, in fact, lose her virginity at an early age, then I suggest they strike that thought from their minds. If anyone has a problem with trying to set the record straight about what Tori actually said about this and putting a stop to rumors, and to people believing that this fanciful tale of fantasy that Tori has repeatedly told has any basis in reality then we will have to agree to disagree. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:46:53 -0500 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere becoming a feature film > Jim Henson Pictures will begin casting the film soon; and apparently, > according to the press statements from Jim Henson Studios of America, an > open audition call will be held for certain parts; (though many will be > precast of course) > > The film will be produced by Denise DiNovi, and will have some of the > artistic talent who worked on Legend and The Dark Crystal. > > Neil Gaiman will be writing the screenplay. > > CR Why Henson and why a film when the BBC already did it? I think this is pretty silly myself. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:40:37 CDT From: toriphile.bezoar@juno.com (Branen Salmon) Subject: Re: Quotes My all-time 100% favorite Tori quote cuz I heard it at two in the morning while writing a term paper on cryptography in an information-obsessed society and bitching quitely to myself about my school's absolute obsession with Internet toys: I don't "surf the web;" that's not my world. Ain't it GRAND? :) It's from TORI AMOS, limited edition interview disc & fully illustrated book [by] Mick St Michael, published by Sound and Media Limited w/ the serial # SAM7017. I heard it while listening to one of the interviews on the disc... can't remember which one, though... ANYWAY. branen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:06:40 PDT From: "Philip Parr" Subject: How to get Neil's novel - not a plug, just a how-to You can get Neil's book at the URL listed below: "Neverwhere" by Neil Gaiman List: $24.00 -- Our Price: $16.80 -- You Save: $7.20 (30%) Fantasy fiction; FICTION-FANTASY; Fantasy - Contemporary Publisher: Avon Books (Trd) Binding: Hardcover Expected publication date: July 1, 1997 ISBN: 0380973634 URL: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0380973634 Phil Parr Lansing, Michigan kinkoid@hotmail.com Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:31:29 -0500 From: bluegirl Subject: Re: o frabjous day! calooh! callay! i am so happy for you nikki!! ...i have to send this to the list for you to get it because my email server is being annoying & wont let me send email to tons of addys... yours is one of them. i miss you & i am sorry that i haven't been able to email you, i have tried. i am sending this to both you & precious-things.... if it actually gets to you through juno i will be surprised but happy. i will try to call some night soon. love, Marissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:39:31 -0500 From: bluegirl Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere becoming a feature film maybe it will be of higher quality, since if it is made it will be made from a major studio with major talent. of course i don't know what the BBC production is like cuz i an american & they will not release it here, the best i can do at the moment is read the book. this leads me to another point, if it is released as a feture film it would be a lot easier for ppl around the world to see it. i don't know if i will ever get to see the BBC version unless i go to england, but if it was made into a feature film i (& other non-english types) would be able to see it at a local theater. ~marissa At 01:46 PM 8/24/97 -0500, you wrote: > >> Jim Henson Pictures will begin casting the film soon; and apparently, >> according to the press statements from Jim Henson Studios of America, an >> open audition call will be held for certain parts; (though many will be >> precast of course) >> >> The film will be produced by Denise DiNovi, and will have some of the >> artistic talent who worked on Legend and The Dark Crystal. >> >> Neil Gaiman will be writing the screenplay. >> >> CR > >Why Henson and why a film when the BBC already did it? I think this is >pretty silly myself. > > > ~marissa at-->mlverma@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu _____________________________ | hEllo EveRybOdy | | iT's ME. nOt anYone ElsE | | jUsT mE. HIII. | | ******* | | ->delirium of the Endless<- | |_____________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:39:17 PDT From: "Bells for Anastasia" Subject: Re: nude photo of tori I think the photo is fake... her boobs are too big. Plus* you know that that photo was from UTP. "Monsters are the best, most wonderful... Monsters are, ya know, it's like 'ya gotta fight fer yer right' to have a monster..." -Tori Amos Ashre8@hotmail.com ~*-Stacie-*~ the *proud* owner and creator of: _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Ashre *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6271 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: RAINN18@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's Virginity I completely agree with you, Josh. These people are acting like the world is ending because someone asked about when tori lost her virginity. Tori seems very open about everthing in her life. Some of you say she deserves a little privacy but she has talked openly about soooo many things in her life. And I dont think Erin should be persecuted for asking the question because I bet alot of us are curious about that too. The one thing Tori seems like she doesnt want to discuss it her Y Kant Tori Read days, but us fans are still curious about it. Why isnt that wrong? It was just a question, that's all. It shouldn't have upset so many people. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:29:26 +0000 From: "Gucci Little Piggy" Subject: Re: Tori's Virginity On 24 Aug 97 at 17:08, RAINN18@aol.com allegedly said: > It was just a question, > that's all. It shouldn't have upset so > many people. Well I must apologise for being upset. I'll try not to be upset the next time something upsets me. Oh don't you just love non-prosodic language? Paul. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "I'm not a vampire, I'm a | http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du driving instructor!" | http://toristuff.home.ml.org Paul.Tweedy@durham.ac.uk | grendel@cus.umist.ac.uk | * Currently playing * ICQ : 1988634 | The Wonder Stuff : 'Construction For The Modern Idiot' =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Like clothes from the 70's? Then piss off back to the 70's!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:54:18 -0400 From: becky Subject: Tori's virginity . . . Tori very openly discusses her private life and it's been published in several magazines and informational books. Why were people attracted to Tori in the first place? Yes, there are many reasons but, my friends, take a look at the back of your cd's, think about the songs, and I think you'll find her divulging a lot of her personal background, including her thoughts on sexuality, in every single one of her songs. Tori comes across as being a very sexual person . . . so much, in fact, that she masturbated to thoughts of Jesus Christ ("Icicle"). That's straight out of the horse's mouth. People on this list are on it to know about Tori. I personally don't care about hearing how much a particular cd is selling for on the list. I'm assuming others probably share my opinion. Just delete the message about her virginity and then it won't be a problem. Look I'm standing NAKED before you, becky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:41:29 -0500 From: bluegirl Subject: Re: Tori's Virginity this while FIGHT amongst list members has gotten cruel, petty & rather out of hand. ppl have obviously resorted to blatantly rude insults. is it so hard to be civil to each other? is so difficult to behave in a mature way? i guess that it is for some ppl. Erin apologized & yet certain people still have their underwear in a bunch. this whole incident has gotten out of control. ~marissa At 11:29 PM 8/24/97 +0000, Gucci Little Piggy wrote: >On 24 Aug 97 at 17:08, RAINN18@aol.com allegedly said: > >> It was just a question, > that's all. It shouldn't have upset so >> many people. > >Well I must apologise for being upset. I'll try not to be upset the >next time something upsets me. > >Oh don't you just love non-prosodic language? > >Paul. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > "I'm not a vampire, I'm a | http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du > driving instructor!" | http://toristuff.home.ml.org > Paul.Tweedy@durham.ac.uk | > grendel@cus.umist.ac.uk | * Currently playing * > ICQ : 1988634 | The Wonder Stuff : 'Construction For The Modern Idiot' > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Like clothes from the 70's? Then piss off back to the 70's!!!! > > ~marissa at-->mlverma@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu _____________________________ | hEllo EveRybOdy | | iT's ME. nOt anYone ElsE | | jUsT mE. HIII. | | ******* | | ->delirium of the Endless<- | |_____________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:37:27 -0400 From: dee zed stroke zero one five Subject: Re: Tori's Virginity folks, i think we've spent enough time discussing whether or not erin's question was an appropriate one or not. consider that meta-discussion gonged. if you have something pertinent to the thread to contribute, by all means, do. just don't continue the bickering. thanks, woj with his co-listowner hat on ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:43:03 +0930 From: FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> Subject: More Neil stuff Once again, another off the topic mail from yours truly, but I figure it's Neil so it's almost kinda welll nearly a Tori thing. Anyway what I wanted to know was does anyone out there hvae any info regarding either the Death movie (which Neil is directing by himself) or the Sandman movie (which to the best of my knowledge, Neil is having as very little to do with) TTFN & Thanx Muchly Michael Francis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:35:12 +0930 From: FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere becoming a feature film Yes I agree, I think that I Neverwhere is really one those things that the Americans would take and screw up, if not totally, pretty damn well. Americans seem to have a bad habit of doing that kind of thing to realy kewl British stuff (case in point "Men Behaving Badly" became "It's A Man's World" in the states, the original rocks, the American version bites big ones, and Roseanne doing "AbFab" I don't think so). Neverwhere is absolutely brilliant, and I would hate to see what the Americans do with it. TTFN Michael Francis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:52:31 -0500 (EST) From: Katherine Ewald Subject: [none] Hey guys, I found this at Microsoft Music Central... Stars Tell Tori's Story Tori Amos, the one woman who wasn't on Lilith Fair, has been hard at work writing songs for her upcoming album. According to the wigs at Atlantic Records, it's very likely that she will produce the album herself. The label declined to say how far along she was, but did indicate the album would be out in March. Amos doesn't seem to call anyplace home lately, spending time between London, New Mexico, and Ireland, but since we couldn't pin her down geographically, TLN checked in once again with AOL's seer, Melissa Townshend (keyword HUB), who tells us: Tori Amos has some very nice aspects that promise rewards for work done, personally, romantically, and creatively. Many choices are opening up for her, and at times, it can all seem so wonderful, dreamy, and kind of unreal. She's reaching a very nice level in her work and in life. Even so, she'll need to take a step back, occasionally, from situations that however good, are becoming too much to deal with in a grounded way. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #231 *************************************