From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #27 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, January 29 1997 Volume 02 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- cornflake girls Re: cornflake girls Re: cornflake girls RE: info on Tool pleeze.... tori stickers Negative comment made about Tori on Roseanne Re: Negative comment made about Tori on Roseanne ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:10:07 +1100 From: Nicole Subject: cornflake girls >a cornflake girl is a person so bent on tradition that they will take >their own daughter to be circumsized.... thats why tori is a raisen girl, >a point i think too many people forget. You said: >Hmm, well since the line is "thought it was a good solution hiding with the >raisin girls" It doesn't sound as though Tori was pleased about being one. >She was speaking in past tense. Someone suggested about the opposite, that >raisin girls are closed-minded, and Tori wasn't always as open-minded as she >is, from what I understand. Not that I see the connection between that and >cornflakes/raisins (except raisins are shriveled), but it makes a little >more sense. "thought" implies she doesnt think it was a good solution any >more. And "hiding" lends itself to this idea, because I don't think Tori >now considers hiding from anything to be a good solution. It doesn't say >she *is* a raisin girl either, just that she was. I don't see what the >connection would be to being bent-on-tradition. Maybe we could move this >over to precious-things and away from torinews as I'm doing... You know, it really would help your argument by getting the lyrics correct! BTW It's "HANGIN with the raisin girls" I read your post and I THOUGHT it was wrong - that doesn't mean I think it's right now. You obviously have not read Alice Walker's novel, and inspiration for Cornflake Girl. The women in the novel bringing their daughters to be mutilated, and cornflake girls with close-minded attitudes, bitching and degrading each other, are very similar. Do yourself a favour and read the novel before commenting on unfamiliar issues. Tori is definately a raisin girl. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:30:17 -0600 (CST) From: MaLjaMiN Subject: Re: cornflake girls >You said: [that's me] >>Hmm, well since the line is "thought it was a good solution hiding with the >>raisin girls" It doesn't sound as though Tori was pleased about being one. etc etc... >You know, it really would help your argument by getting the lyrics correct! >BTW It's "HANGIN with the raisin girls" I read your post and I THOUGHT it DAH! I'll blame it on the fact that I lost my utp cd so the lyrics get a lil murky... durrrrr I don't know why I didn't check that before I based my argument on it. I was strangely certain. But there's no need to complain to me now -- it was an obvious blunder, an uninformed argument, a self-teaching lesson, ye know? Anyways, given the Tori quote, I wonder if there are any thoughts on exactly how cornflakes and raisins would relate to the closed- and open-minded, since they clearly do. I'm thinking, flaky shallow people? Sweet juicy raisins? Heh, heh. Or maybe Tori has a completely abstract personal connection she makes there? Eh? ook =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Josh Sutterfield Musician/DJ-Wannabe/Social-Retard Jester Shot Fluid MaLjaMiN joshu@umr.edu http://www.umr.edu/~joshu - --- "the" -- Arnold Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:15:10 -0600 (CST) From: "raisin girl" Subject: Re: cornflake girls the ever-stimulating josh wrote: Anyways, given the Tori quote, I wonder if > there are any thoughts on exactly how cornflakes and raisins would relate to > the closed- and open-minded, since they clearly do. I'm thinking, flaky > shallow people? Sweet juicy raisins? Heh, heh. Or maybe Tori has a > completely abstract personal connection she makes there? Eh? this is what i got out of a tori article about the cornflake vs. raisin issue: (forgive me if it's not exact, i don't have the article in front of me) think of raisins and cornflakes in terms of breakfast cereal (food, mmm, mmm, of course a wonderful food analogy). cornflakes are boring, relatively tasteless. cornflakes as people are similar: boring, one-dimensional, close-minded... now raisins= the exact opposite, see? exciting, interesting, tasty....multicultural, open-minded. which would you rather eat/be? i'm just paraphrasing what tori said! hope everybody gets it. if you still don't get it, maybe i'll put the article on my homepage! just ask! leah ______________________________________________________________________________ raisin girl # he says he reckons that i'm a # business grrrl & dj # watercolor stain... 0 -ta # kmnr 89.7 fm aka leah ellis # 000 # 573.341.4272 lellis@umr.edu # 0 # show: 1230pm-3pm univ.of mo. rolla # 0 # thursdays 573.341.9247 # www.umr.edu/~lellis # - --\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /--\ /-- V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V ...and this little masochist is lifting up her dress --tori amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 07:22:55 UT From: "Mickey Sun" Subject: RE: info on Tool pleeze.... >>I'd imagine they were around at least as long or >>longer than NIN. What it shares with NIN is its darkness I suppose, but >>tool is a lot more instrumentally pure, sounds live, not electronic, and no >>dance/electronic type beats, I don't think Actually, from what I know of these two bands, Pretty Hate Machine by NIN was released in 1989 and Opiate by Tool came out in '92. I do not know which band was actually formed first since I spend all of my money buying Tori bios instead of Tool or NIN bios :) From what I do know musically speaking, I recommend the Undertow LP or the Opiate EP. However, mind this, Tool is not for everyone. It's not generally considered music to listen to while going to Sunday school, but then again, I don't think "Muhammad My Friend" will make any of the Sunday school teachers too happy either. Mickey - -- the spirit lives on - -Heather Nova ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:46:12 -0500 (EST) From: Delirium Subject: tori stickers I don't know if anyone has been to Greg Burrell's T.O.R.I. collectables page, but he has a sticker there that I really want so i was wondering if anyone knows where i can get it. It is tori, from the same photo shoot as the back cover of the revised 'all theses years' and she is bending foward.... it is about 4 by 4 square. I don't know greg's URL but you can get there from the fabulous www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html its in the links section under T.O.R.I. Thanks! Kristina "In a heart filled with dust lives a creature called lust, it surprises and scares like me, like me." -Bjork "If truly his heart was made of icing and I wonder how mine could taste.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:10:17 -0800 From: "Karen H. Hagglund" Subject: Negative comment made about Tori on Roseanne On ABC TV's Roseanne show tonight, January 28, a negative comment was made about our dear Tori. In this episode, Roseanne has been locked away for four days in her bedroom eating junk food and being upset over her tv hubby Dan falling for another woman. The family is downstairs trying to dream up ways to get her to come out of the bedroom. Roseanne's sister Jackie suggests they play loud, grating, annoying music like they did in Waco to flush Roseanne out of the room. The character named Leon Carp, played on the show by Martin Mull, says that he has just two words to say- TORI AMOS! The teenage girl on the show (the girlfriend of Roseanne's son D.J.) says wait a minute, I like her. If you are as angered over this negative publicity as I am, please join me in a letter writing campaign to ABC TV to complain about this negative comment on the music of Tori. Send your comments via a form available on ABC TV's website at: http://www.abc.com/vvoice/talk.html Thank you, Karen Hagglund thorndik@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:34:06 -0500 From: Will Nunn Subject: Re: Negative comment made about Tori on Roseanne >If you are as angered over this negative publicity as I am, please join me >in a letter writing campaign to ABC TV to complain about this negative >comment on the music of Tori. Send your comments via a form available on >ABC TV's website at: http://www.abc.com/vvoice/talk.html I would be careful about this.... Complaining about this to ABC is a little bit unnecessary and perhaps an improper course of action for a couple of reasons. Primarily because music taste/fandom is a completely subjective issue, we have to realize that people are going to make negative comments about any item we enjoy (Tori or otherwise). Heck, people on this list and many others have written comments on other bands that were brought up by other list members, and some of them weren't exactly complimentary. While such negative comments should be avoided, they really aren't something to get upset about (racist and sexist comments are a different story altogether). Also, look at the statement implicit within the idea of complaining to ABC: "Please don't broadcast such items because they are negative towards something that we enjoy." If we were to use such logic more often, we would never be able to listen to, or see much in the way of anything, because it will be subject to displeasing one social group/individual or another. The reason we are allowed to listen such wonderful music as Tori's is because she is allowed to make whatever kind of subjective comments/criticism she wants to, without someone scilencing her because they disagree. I'm sorry for blowing this way out of proportion if I in fact am doing just that, and I do not mean any ill feelings to the original author of this post (I understand where you're coming from). It's just that I don't want to see people doing things that create excuses to quiet all those lovely voices that I enjoy, and whom are working so hard to increase people's awareness of the evils that exist in modern society (that sounded really cheesy, but it's true). Will ============================================================= Will Nunn WPI Chem. Eng. Comp. Sci. "If it wasn't for dissapointment, I wouldn't have any appointments" -TMBG, Snowball in Hell www PAGE: http://www.wpi.edu/~tanis/ ftp site: ftp://chesspieceface.res.wpi.edu/ ============================================================= ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #27 ************************************