From: owner-precious-things-digest To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V1 #26 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, 13 March 1996 Volume 01 : Number 026 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Question Of The Day a few things For Sale: Tori CD-Singles Tori and Vampirism Re: For Sale: Tori CD-Singles ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: belly@loop.com (march 'n' kitty) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:59:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Question Of The Day >On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Adam Thomas Heath wrote: > >> Today's Question of the day is- >> What do you like about Tori the most? >> Her music, or her lyrics? > Grendel the spectator wrote: >Both are intertwined - I don't see how you can separate them and say >one's superlative to the other. They're both beautiful, expressive, and >are the whole essence of what Tori is about. while i agree that tori represents the combonation of these elements, i find it easy as pie to separate them, because when i first had a gander at miss tori, her piano playing made me cry. it tapped something inside of me (perhaps the piano player in me, heh) and i swelled up and sighed and sobbed. i HAD to see that woman's hands caressing those keys. i still get teary when i hear solos like cornflake girl's, because any of who who play, you KNOW how difficult and masterful her playing is. she got me playing the piano again, and only her stuff. when i discovered her lyrics though, oh my GOOdness, it was nearly overwhelming. WHAT a package deal...someone who speaks my language AND plays the piano like nobody's business....paradise. and this is unusual for me, because i usually dive in for the lyrics first...but i'm a sucker for that bosey, that's for sure. wow, my first post on precious-things =) soooooo much better than rdt, by the way... *wavewave* a little thorny kitty ------------------------------ From: "Sister Ray" Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:40:07 CET Subject: a few things ::: Next Friday i will see Ms Amos live. Does anyone know, Paul Tweedy maybe, whether you are searched by security ppl for taking recorders with you? If this is not the usual thing, i will ask my friend for his small pocket recorder and i will try to make a recording of the concert. But because it's my friends' recorder i don't want to take the risk to loose the recorder. ::: I'm still looking for a copy of 'Y Kant Tori Read'. If you have this one, would you be so kind to make a copy on tape of it for me. I will pay you the tape and the postal thing, that goes without saying. ::: Yesterday i saw, and taped, the performance of Ms Amos in 'Twee Meter Sessies', the television version of a dutch program. Althought they said two songs would have been broadcasted, only one song was aired. It's the song 'Fool On The Hill/ Horses'. Nice, but i knew the song in this version already because they broadcasted it already in the radioversion of the same program (one of my last postings). What my attention attract is the way Ms Amos looked in the camera, she looked like she really loved all those camera's, smiled to it etc. She is said to have said on the day of the recording, that she didn't like them at all, so i was a little surprised. ::: And i still have another question to which no one seems to know the answer. Is there an instrumental version of 'Winter'? ** On 10 Mar 96, Meredith wrote: >Maleen Ivy implored: >>I have a feeling most people on here are on RDT as well so I won't >>bother reiterating past ideas, but I do have a big favor to ask: > >The reason this list exists is because there is a large group of >people who have neither the time nor the patience for RDT, yet want >a forum dedicated to the discussion of Tori's music. ::: Yes, you're correct Meredith. I'm not on the Really Deep Thoughts list either, but it's not because i don't have the time. It's just because i can't get on it, i've tried it already several times, but it never worked. She also wrote: >There can be no question that Tori Amos is one of the most gifted >musicians and composers out there today, no matter what the genre. >Period. ::: Are you fanatic?! ::: No matter what the genre? I think the genre _does_ matter. I don't think Ms Amos will ever play or write something which isn't in the line of what she plays now. She will never experiment with other instruments, with other styles. Oke, she plays on Boys For Pele on a harpsichord, but i also recently saw an intervieuw in which she said that no instrument is like an Bosendorfer (did i spell it correct?). She saids it in very straight way, like she will never play on something else. And i don't think you're 'one of the most gifted musicians' when you're confined to an instrument like her. And i don't think that either of someone who plays al the songs in the same genre. ::: No matter the period? I'm not quit sure, but i've heard somewhere that those composers of classical pieces, those opera's, symphonies etc (like Mahler, Bach, etc) wrote them, the _whole_ pieces, every part, every singel violin, evry triangle without the orchestra. Just by thinking what it would sound like when a full orchestra would play it. A whole orchestra in your head, and controling very part of it, knowing what every one's playing. Thta's big, that's gifted. And i guess there are others who are as gifted as Ms Amos is like you say it. >There aren't too many people who can say that they were playing >Gershwin before they even started kindergarten. ::: So what? I know a lot of ppl who can play the stars from the sky, but it's not a reason to adore them! Most of the ppl who are recognized early to be a gifted musician get arrogant when they grow up. I don't like them, even when they play the best i've ever heard. No offence - i'm not saying Ms Amos's arogant. Gifted are those who are able to talk normally to other ppl, and when they can play piano like i've never heard before it's nice, but it's not the main point. >There also aren't too many people who can just sit down and write a >song as it's being recorded and have it end up as a coherent piece, >both musically and (mostly ;) lyrically. ::: I guess there are lot other musicians, which you don't know, but which do the same. I just mentioned those composers from symphonies already. >She's said that she is so sick of music that spoon-feeds it to the >masses -- she wants to make people think, to actually use their >brains as they listen (hey, what a concept!). ::: i already used my brains while listening to music, i did already before i even heard a single thing of Ms Amos. ::: [He Meredith, no offence! I'm not very good in english, and my vocabulary isn't that big, so some of the things may sound that i'm angry, that i want you to iritate or whatever, but it's just that i don not alway know the proper words... Meredith, i love messages like the one from you: big, without (too much) shit!). ** On 11 Mar 96, Neile Graham wrote: >> ::: I don't think you're correct. I have a book called 'Stranger >> Music' of the great singer songrwriter Leonard Cohen. This book >> features many many lyrics (and poems) of the Man. If you don't know >> the songs, you won't know whether the texts were lyrics to songs or >> poems. Every single text could have been a lyrick, but also it >> 'just' could have been a poem. > >I disagree. Cohen is a great singer songwriter, but he's a far >better lyricist than he is a poet. The major and most neglected part >of poetry is the music in the sounds of the words--rhythm and sound >patterns. Cohen's music provides it for him. Without the music the >words don't have much impact or power. For me at least, as a writer >who is critical of other's writing as a piece of writing. I know >other people's opinions and tastes vary. ::: What's the difference between a good poem and a good lyric? You say that a good poem sounds like music, just from the words, but i think a good lyric should do the same. >I don't want this to stray from our topic. Let's just say that >reading Tori's lyrics on the page doesn't do that much for me, >either. There are some evocative lines--many, perhaps--but without >the music they don't have all that much impact as words. But put >together with her music--that's power. ::: I agree on this. I'm not moved by Ms Amos' lyrics as much as the combination of her lyrics and her music. But for me her lyrics aren't the thing that i love of Ms Amos. Not that she could write anything, it have to make sense, but if it does, i don't mind what she's trying to say. When i hear the words, i just feel it is good. To say it in Ms Nova's words: "it feels good, it feels like poetry". All those heavy subjects other members name, all the things others get out of the lyrics, they're nice too see, but i don't get it out of her lyrics. And i don't mind. It sounds and feels good. That's enough. Back to Meredith: >Richard posted: >>break down and purchase the "SPIN" that interviewed her. I was >>surprised that she speaks like she writes. It could get difficult >>in this world if one communicated this way all the time... perhaps >>she felt comfortable enough with the interviewer to "let loose"? > >Got news for you, Richard: she's like that all the time. Isn't it >great? :) ::: No, it's not great! I recently saw an interview on the dutch television. Two of my friends, both love to hear Ms Amos playng too, watched it too. One fell asleep after a while, the second turned the telly of after watching half of the interview and i turned of the sound and just read the translated words printed on the screen (they have a word for that iver here in the Lowlands: 'ondertitels', but i don't know he word for that in english...). I turned the sound off just because i didn't liked her intonation while talking. While talking she stresses the words on sytrange places, or at least, on other places then when she sings. When she sings it sounds normal, but when she speaks... My friends, who fell asleep or turned the telly off were bored (me too actually) by what she said. Those highly, heavy, or what ever you call it, words, they are really boring. ::: I'm a fan of her, no doubt about it, at least when she plays and sings... ::: Shit, i took a little longer than i meant to... Thnx for reading. Take care. 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PGY 2 part set: $15 Winter (US 'ltd. ed'): $ 5 God (US) $ 5 please include 1.50 for shipping (ie, postage) That's it ... please email me if interested. -- The Mermaid ------------------------------ From: "Mike Harris" Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 19:41:05 GMT-5 Subject: Tori and Vampirism Hello, faeries! Now this posting may mark me as a fringe faerie, or a bit of a silly. I may be mistaking metaphor for fact. But in one of the Australian interviews, Tori is quoted as saying: "I am slitting my wrists metaphorically asking 'why won't they drink my blood' to be vampires. Being a vampire myself, I understand this behavior." Now my last post asked whether y'all might think Tori's into vampirism. This might be fuel for the fire ... =) Mike ------------------------------ From: Cara Dawn Brown Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:27:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: For Sale: Tori CD-Singles Hi!! > I only have a few, so this won't take much space. > PGY 2 part set: $15 Can you please tell me what tracks are on these??? Thanks, Cara ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V1 #26 ************************************