From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V4 #20 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Monday, February 23 2004 Volume 04 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] ENOUGH. [=?iso-8859-1?q?Audrie=20Tiong?= ] Re: [oztori] ENOUGH / MLS ["Daniel Nolan" ] Re: [oztori] If I could walk a thousand MLS [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] ENOUGH. [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] If I could inject Andrew with a thousand mls... (of those euthanasia meds ceals ran into a bottle of at the veterinary practice on the weekend) [] Re: [oztori] More MLS ["Bindy ." ] Re: [oztori] ENO = UGH. ["Bindy ." ] [oztori] Roll Call ["Bindy ." ] Re: [oztori] ENO = UGH. [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] roll call & MLS ["Nilay Koyunoglu" ] Re: [oztori] ENOUGH ["Daniel Nolan" ] Re: [oztori] ENOUGH [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] ENOUGH [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: [oztori] Toriing [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] ENOUGH [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] Toriing [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH. Present and lurking. auds > I want a ROLL CALL of EVERYONE - and I mean EVERYONE who is on this > > list. I mean it - I've been asking for one for like 3 years. > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:45:06 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH. At 05:21 PM 22/02/2004, Claire Kilner wrote: >>I want a ROLL CALL of EVERYONE - and I mean EVERYONE who is on this list. >>I mean it - I've been asking for one for like 3 years. > >Right well, I'm on this list in purely a lurking capacity (though I know a >couple of you from my RDTRN days). I am Claire, from Adelaide, aged 20. >And I'm on individual emails - I guess that's daily? Yup daily/individual HELLO! Claire - nice to see a new face/nick/name/poster/toriite/ether-dweller :) Andrew >Hello. >-Claire. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:30:53 +1100 From: "Daniel Nolan" Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH / MLS From: "AndrewR" >I want a ROLL CALL of EVERYONE - and I mean EVERYONE who is on this list. >I mean it - I've been asking for one for like 3 years. "I'm still alive" Would love it if people started welcoming other's attempts to create interesting discussion, rather than taking the sledgehammer approach to replies. I'm sure if the conversation here was more relaxed and less petty, more people would be inclined to add their voice to a particular subject. Having said that, I am interested to see MLS smile now that I've heard a few good reports (even Margaret from SBS liked it! that woman hardly likes anything) so I won't feel like a total baffoon for sitting through a movie that has but only an ounce of Tori content! Plus, Murder He Says is faboo. Julian and I will be going to see it soon so any other bodies from Sydney interested in seeing it should get in touch. Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:21:21 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] If I could walk a thousand MLS At 09:30 PM 22/02/2004, Daniel Nolan wrote: >From: "AndrewR" > >I want a ROLL CALL of EVERYONE - and I mean EVERYONE who is on this list. > >I mean it - I've been asking for one for like 3 years. > >"I'm still alive" Danke - of course you are... >Would love it if people started welcoming other's attempts to create >interesting discussion, rather than taking the sledgehammer approach to >replies. I'm sure if the conversation here was more relaxed and less petty, >more people would be inclined to add their voice to a particular subject. Fresh out of ideas unless... hmmm "Do you think it is feasible with enough enthusiasm from a small fan-base that Tori Amos can be persuaded to Tour Australia and/or New Zealand" go forth and discuss. Personally, I say "YES". It'd be difficult - but it'd be well worth it no? >Having said that, I am interested to see MLS smile now that I've heard a few >good reports (even Margaret from SBS liked it! that woman hardly likes >anything) so I won't feel like a total baffoon for sitting through a movie >that has but only an ounce of Tori content! > >Plus, Murder He Says is faboo. Re: Tori in MLS - did anyone see the article in the paper not too long ago that the "female jazz musicians" of MLS are taking the producers to court over descrimination reguards to pay? I wonder if that includes Tori?? :) The "female jazz musicians" were all allegedly paid less than the male Jazz Musicians! Considering the theme of the movie I find that situation quite ironic. >Julian and I will be going to see it soon so any other bodies from Sydney >interested in seeing it should get in touch. Yeah! More Sydney people should 'meet up'. BTW can't wait till monday's meet up in Brisbane - 3 Monkeys South Brisbane - - if any other Brisvegans want to attend... 7pm. Much hilarity will ensue :) >Dan. Danrew errr Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:46:19 -0800 (PST) From: "©" e a l s Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH. ...I'm still here.... Ceals ===== "Now looking back at all we've planned We let so many dreams Just slip through our hands Why must we wait so long Before we'll see How sad the answers To those questions can be Do you know where you're going to? Do you like the things that life is showing you Where are you going to? Do you know...?" 'Do You Know Where You're Going To?' - Diana Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH. ) e a l s wrote: > ...I'm still here.... GLTYC. n. ===== "You've been in a rut ever since I've known you." - Jarrod, 21st February, 2003. "I mean he hasn't worked out yet that you don't really have 'feelings', other than maybe 'contempt' and 'self-satisfaction'." - Julian, 2nd January 2004. "Your whole existance [sic] would be like a mental orgasm for a psychologist!" - Jarrod, 7/5/03. "Religion has to be almost as stupid and meaningless as speech pathology. In fact now I come to think of it they both have a lot in common. No efficacy for practices, reliance on airy fairy BS that can't be proven, conservatism, denial, narrow minded people, stupidity and ignorance and the list goes on. More and more I realise that we are living in primitive dark ages. People are just so stupid." - Celia, 4/8/03. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:52:48 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] If I could inject Andrew with a thousand mls... (of those euthanasia meds ceals ran into a bottle of at the veterinary practice on the weekend) AndrewR wrote: > "Do you think it is feasible with enough enthusiasm > from a small fan-base > that Tori Amos can be persuaded to Tour Australia > and/or New Zealand" n. She doesn't WANT to. Therefore, she won't. > Personally, I say "YES". It'd be difficult - but > it'd be well worth it no? Good luck to you with that, Andrew. PS - 'apologies' for how 'old' my subject-heading-changing has become ;) Nathan. ===== "You've been in a rut ever since I've known you." - Jarrod, 21st February, 2003. "I mean he hasn't worked out yet that you don't really have 'feelings', other than maybe 'contempt' and 'self-satisfaction'." - Julian, 2nd January 2004. "Your whole existance [sic] would be like a mental orgasm for a psychologist!" - Jarrod, 7/5/03. "Religion has to be almost as stupid and meaningless as speech pathology. In fact now I come to think of it they both have a lot in common. No efficacy for practices, reliance on airy fairy BS that can't be proven, conservatism, denial, narrow minded people, stupidity and ignorance and the list goes on. More and more I realise that we are living in primitive dark ages. People are just so stupid." - Celia, 4/8/03. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:20:09 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: Re: [oztori] More MLS Nadyne wrote on Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:56:13 +0000 >>> > Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was a list that the >>> > main topic was people >>> > discussing Tori Amos related things. Silly me. >>Well over the years it OVBIOUSLY has become more than just talking about >>Tori. >She said 'main topic', not 'only topic'. That's exactly it. Thank you, Nadyne! >She's saying that it's getting a bit much to have anything that's ever >brought up here that is Tori-related immediately torn apart by Nathan so he >can prove to the world how cynical he is. She doesn't seem to be >complaining that there are non-Tori posts here. *toasts Naydne* Well said! My thoughts exactly. >Bindy, does your email program have the ability to filter? It does, but I prefer seeing the whole picture. Thanks for the your support though. *hugs* ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:41:40 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: Re: [oztori] ENO = UGH. Becc wrote on Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:35:44 GMT >And I'm 'sorry', but Bindy's 'news' about Mona Lisa's >Smile has been around since ?? at least November last >year? >Oh c'mon, Nathan, get off your high horse. ...which is precisely what >Bindy was doing -- she knew quite well about what 'Mona Lisa Smile' was and >why it should interest Tori fans, but was clarifying it in her email in >case anyone else didn't (or didn't remember). Which saves other people both >the potential embarrassment* and time-wastage, and the bandwidth-gobbling >caused by sending email to the list to ask. ... and thank you to you also, Becc. I am pleased that people actually READ posts. This is exactly what I was saying. Thank you to Becc and Nadyne for saving me from having to explain things and run the risk of getting into trouble. *Toasts the girls!* ~Bindy - getting tipsy from all the toasts. Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here http://ninemsn.seek.com.au/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:48:05 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: [oztori] Roll Call .... and yes I'm here on daily posts. As if you hadn't noticed :P I just am lacking the internet at home, so I sometimes take a day or so to reply to things. ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ We've 100s of NEW questions! Play Millionaire online to win $$$$. Click here http://sites.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/millionaire/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:51:57 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] ENO = UGH. "Bindy ." wrote: > *Toasts the girls!* ...with marshmallows? n. ===== "You've been in a rut ever since I've known you." - Jarrod, 21st February, 2003. "I mean he hasn't worked out yet that you don't really have 'feelings', other than maybe 'contempt' and 'self-satisfaction'." - Julian, 2nd January 2004. "Your whole existance [sic] would be like a mental orgasm for a psychologist!" - Jarrod, 7/5/03. "Religion has to be almost as stupid and meaningless as speech pathology. In fact now I come to think of it they both have a lot in common. No efficacy for practices, reliance on airy fairy BS that can't be proven, conservatism, denial, narrow minded people, stupidity and ignorance and the list goes on. More and more I realise that we are living in primitive dark ages. People are just so stupid." - Celia, 4/8/03. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:09:41 +1100 From: "Nilay Koyunoglu" Subject: [oztori] roll call & MLS I too am still on the list...have been since '98 or '99, can't remember which....but it has been mostly in a lurking capacity. I did however see Mona Lisa Smile the other night and I had mixed feelings. I guess because I've been a film student for the past 5 years I tend to look at films too critically but the film was far too predictable for me......like all Julia Roberts films. But, I guess familiar stories often work the best. I did like it...Maggie Gyllenhaal is fantastic, as is Kirsten Dunst...and seeing Tori's performance was well worth it. She looked beautiful and sang beautifully....her voice reminded me of the good old days when she had that crystal clear, bell-like voice. I loved the swing numbers, it really suited her. And as far as the whole 'list war' that is going on...my opinion is that everyone has the right to respond to posts respectfully and responsibly. Some people obviously can't live without having the last word but they're just going to have to try! :P Nilay... _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:17:52 -0500 From: "Daniel Nolan" Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH AndrewR wrote: > "Do you think it is feasible with enough enthusiasm > from a small fan-base > that Tori Amos can be persuaded to Tour Australia > and/or New Zealand" I would love to believe that were true, but sadly nothing short of the prospect of making megabucks from such a tour would be sufficient to persuade her to do so. Bear in mind that it was said the UtP tour only broke even, and that was at the height of her popularity here. The ever-rising Aussie dollar would seem to be contributing to the current influx of international acts (Bowie, Fleetwood Mac, Jewel, et al) whom rarely tour this country. Although our chances may have perhaps only increased slightly by this, I still find the prospect of an Australian tour unlikely. A group of the Brisbane folk have toyed with the idea of going to Europe or the US next time she tours, which she has indicated will be 2005 at the earliest. Personally, I'd much prefer to travel through France, Germany or England for some sightseeing and catch a few shows rather than endure the likes of the American fans again. Plus, you've probably got a better chance of meeting Tori at a M&G without having your eyes poked out with coathanger faerie-wings! Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH Daniel Nolan wrote: > I would love to believe that were true, but sadly > nothing short of the prospect of making megabucks > from such a tour would be sufficient to persuade her > to do so. Bear in mind that it was said the UtP tour > only broke even, and that was at the height of her > popularity here. "The thing is" though, that she was arsed to tour the likes of Israel, Iceland, Japan and (gasp) even Australia on her LE & UTP tours when she wasn't yet a 'household' (cough) name. She just became lazy, complacent & US-centric. All she needs to bring is herself. She can use a goddamn borrowed upright here, or indeed that keyboard you got when you were 6 if she insists on the whurly, if she was that concerned about being $-conscious. Leave Mark at home too while she's at it & maybe get a decent sound engineer. And please forget how to play Leather, China, CFG, SATY et al. in the meantime. > A group of the Brisbane folk have toyed with the > idea of going to Europe or the US next time she > tours, which she has indicated will be 2005 at the > earliest. The 'thing I don't like about this' is... how can Tori say this far in advance that she'll have an album out in 2005? Yes, it may fit her 'usual schedule', but I'd much rather she takes a few years off, and finds something fresh to write about again. She had 5 albums put out (including her musical 'autobiography') between 1998-2003. A break is due. When she rushes out sub-standard material just to get something released, it just cheapens her body of work 'imnsho'. Kate Bush really had the right idea to basically stop making albums 11 years ago at the first sign of a glitch (ie, The Red Shoes). > Personally, I'd much prefer to travel through > France, Germany or England for some sightseeing and > catch a few shows rather than endure the likes of > the American fans again. I mustn't have been paying attention... did you go to see her in the US? n. ===== "You've been in a rut ever since I've known you." - Jarrod, 21st February, 2003. "I mean he hasn't worked out yet that you don't really have 'feelings', other than maybe 'contempt' and 'self-satisfaction'." - Julian, 2nd January 2004. "Your whole existance [sic] would be like a mental orgasm for a psychologist!" - Jarrod, 7/5/03. "Religion has to be almost as stupid and meaningless as speech pathology. In fact now I come to think of it they both have a lot in common. No efficacy for practices, reliance on airy fairy BS that can't be proven, conservatism, denial, narrow minded people, stupidity and ignorance and the list goes on. More and more I realise that we are living in primitive dark ages. People are just so stupid." - Celia, 4/8/03. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:36:25 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH On Sunday, February 22, 2004, at 09:17 PM, Daniel Nolan wrote: > I would love to believe that were true, but sadly nothing short of the > prospect of making megabucks from such a tour would be sufficient to > persuade her to do so. Bear in mind that it was said the UtP tour only > broke even, and that was at the height of her popularity here. Although that's true, 'broke even' means different things to us mere mortals than it does in the music business. Even in the UtP days, Tori travelled with a pretty sizeable tour staff. According to an extremely reliable source, Tori lost money on her 1998 US tour, too. That clearly didn't stop her from touring bloody well everywhere in the States on the last tour. Fergawdsakes, she went to bloody North Dakota in 2003, and you can't convince me that the costs of getting to ND were met by the income from the ticket sales to the eight people who attended that show. [snip] > Personally, I'd much prefer to travel through France, Germany or > England for some sightseeing and catch a few shows rather than endure > the likes of the American fans again. Plus, you've probably got a > better chance of meeting Tori at a M&G without having your eyes poked > out with coathanger faerie-wings! <-- what he said. For anyone who does come to a US concert, pick out a venue that has a balcony, and get a seat in the first few rows of the balcony. You'll get a good seat with a good view and great sound, and you won't have to deal with the fuckwits who rush the stage and poke your eyes out with tacky fairy wings. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:14:30 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Toriing At 03:29 PM 23/02/2004, Nathan =?UNKNOWN?B?rg==?= wrote: >Daniel Nolan wrote: > > > I would love to believe that were true, but sadly > > nothing short of the prospect of making megabucks > > from such a tour would be sufficient to persuade her > > to do so. Bear in mind that it was said the UtP tour > > only broke even, and that was at the height of her > > popularity here. > >"The thing is" though, that she was arsed to tour the >likes of Israel, Iceland, Japan and (gasp) even >Australia on her LE & UTP tours when she wasn't yet a >'household' (cough) name. That's not the only time for such "odd" places to tour - not that they are odd per se - but they wouldn't be easier to travel to than Australia. Didn't she recently tour Poland and Austria? I mean is her fanbase in Poland and Austria bigger that Australia? > > A group of the Brisbane folk have toyed with the > > idea of going to Europe or the US next time she > > tours, which she has indicated will be 2005 at the > > earliest. >Kate Bush really had the right idea to basically stop >making albums 11 years ago at the first sign of a >glitch (ie, The Red Shoes). Ahh, but The Sensual World was so good. If Tori stopped at SLG - we wouldn't have SW. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:32:12 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH --- Nathan . wrote: > > "The thing is" though, that she was arsed to tour > the > likes of Israel, Iceland, Japan and (gasp) even > Australia on her LE & UTP tours when she wasn't yet > a > 'household' (cough) name. She just became lazy, > complacent & US-centric. All she needs to bring is > herself. > Nathan *does* have a point. While I am a fan of "plugged" Tori, I (a) seem to be in the minority; and (b) would prefer solo Tori to no Tori. Tori is an artist who could travel fairly 'light' if she needed to and still put on a great show. I don't see how she could not make SOME money if she could sell out a few venues in Syd, Melb and Bris. So many OTHER smaller artists seem to manage it! Example: I saw Ani on Saturday at the State Theatre ... she sold out the venue (and her second Sydney show is a few seats short of sold out too) ... it was just her and her two guitars ... and it was really good. I can't believe that if solo Ani can sell out two Sydney shows (not to mention all the other places she went/is going), and can make money off the tour, that Tori can't do the same. Tori's a much better known artist than Ani, and her fanbase it just as dedicated (it's probably mostly the same people!). What's more, several of my friends who aren't EWF have of late (and especially after the listener-friendly Scarlet's Walk) declared themselves "Tori-curious" and I'm sure at least SOME of them would come to a show if she had one. It took a live show to make me a true "fan", so I'm sure that a low key tour, if handled intelligently, could not only bring her a small profit, but could enhance her fanbase for her next few albums. But, as Nathan suggestes, it's easier to be lazy I guess. She knows that she has a guaranteed fanbase for her US shows, and that a tour there will get her X amount of money ... why risk more?? > The 'thing I don't like about this' is... how can > Tori > say this far in advance that she'll have an album > out > in 2005? Contract. I remember her saying that SLG and SW were "due" at various times with her record companies. This seems to be standard operating procedure. Companies know that records need to be spaced at certain intervals to maximise their chances of success, and they require artists to work to that. Only artists who have their own companies or have a lot of power under their contract can afford to "do a Kate Bush" and never hand in anything. Tori's contract with Sony/Epic seems to be pretty shit. All those people who've said that Tori is "such a smart business woman" need a smack. She's an amazing artist. But she has MADE *stupid* choices as a business woman. (Admittedly, sometimes the fact that she's an artist before a business woman is a good thing -- a more business minded person would NOT release Boys for Pele - -- but a better business person would have negotiated a contract where singles and b-sides were not routinely scrapped, tours eventuated when promised, more live albums were released for a person who is the world's most prolific touring artisit, and her greatest hits was marketable and had fucking Caught a Lite Sneeze on it!!!) J ===== ___________________________ www.livejournal.com/~blade_to_ice ___________________________ the needle is hot and my cells cannot feed and you obtained still that beauty that drags the feet that I hide it well ernestine of sister but I obtained still that beauty that drags the feet ... you are dull to the mountain surpasses I say that the thin legs would be able to utilize the sun but now desire for my better impression of my better one dickinson of angie Tori - To Spanish and Back ____________________________ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:36:35 -0500 From: "Daniel Nolan" Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH From: Nathan "." >The 'thing I don't like about this' is... how can Tori >say this far in advance that she'll have an album out >in 2005? I think the keywords are "at the earliest". I also hope that she'll hold off for a few good years before putting out another album. It's not like she'd be facing the prospect of being forgotten by the masses in the meantime... that fate was all but sealed long ago! However, the idea of having no new Tori for over a decade I find a bit daunting, given how prolific she's been since her career began. But I think the woman'd go spare if all she did for the next 10 years is change nappies, shop for Prada, and drink red wine, so I have a feeling it won't be that long. >I mustn't have been paying attention... did you go to >see her in the US? In 1999 I saw a few shows, including the pay per view in Vegas. In the so-called armpit of California, Bakersfield, I reminded her of how long it had been since her last Aus tour by presenting my More Pink CD for signing. "I know... It's so hard to get around these days" was her response. Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:39:36 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Toriing --- AndrewR wrote: > > Didn't she recently tour Poland and Austria? I mean > is her fanbase in > Poland and Austria bigger that Australia? True. She did. She tours Poland a lot (judging by the number of shows I have from Poland!). And yeah, it IS unlikely that her fanbase is bigger there. But, then, she lives in Europe, so the cost of hauling ass to smaller countries like Poland is much less than hauling ass to the other side of the world. Also travel time is less. And she's done it before, so why not do it again? I kinda think that for Tori the biggest thing keeping her away from here is habit. It's like falling off a bike/horse ... if you don't get on again soon, chances are you never will. Tori did not like her time here last time ... she lost money, and did NOT take a shining to the people who were at my show ... so I think she kind of crossed Australia off the list in her mind, and has never bothered to revisit that list. Hmn. J ===== ___________________________ www.livejournal.com/~blade_to_ice ___________________________ the needle is hot and my cells cannot feed and you obtained still that beauty that drags the feet that I hide it well ernestine of sister but I obtained still that beauty that drags the feet ... you are dull to the mountain surpasses I say that the thin legs would be able to utilize the sun but now desire for my better impression of my better one dickinson of angie Tori - To Spanish and Back ____________________________ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:42:10 +1100 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH > Example: I saw Ani on Saturday at the State Theatre > ... she sold out the venue (and her second Sydney show > is a few seats short of sold out too) ... it was just > her and her two guitars ... and it was really good. I > can't believe that if solo Ani can sell out two Sydney > shows (not to mention all the other places she went/is > going), and can make money off the tour, that Tori > can't do the same. Tori's a much better known artist > than Ani, and her fanbase it just as dedicated (it's > probably mostly the same people!). Wasn't that show amazing!!! I was expecting good but not what I got. I'm seeing her again this Saturday in Canberra. Can't wait. Also I doubt Ani is making any money off the tour (she might be since she is playing solo so there's only a few people with her this time around but I doubt it). I hear last time she toured Aus (not with Dylan) she lost money. The only reason to really tour Australia is for the fans. And well I don't think Tori cares much for us down here. Also I don't know about Tori being more well known than Ani. I mention either to most people and get a blank response back. Jas P.S. Present and on individual posts. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:02:52 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH is enough... I can't go on, I can't go on no more now Jaz wrote: > Also I don't know about Tori being more well known > than Ani. I mention either to most people and get a > blank response back. Well Tori has 5 top 10 debut albums here to her credit. The best Ani's ever done here is #31 or something. Manru wrote: > Didn't she recently tour Poland and Austria? y. > I mean is > her fanbase in Poland and Austria bigger that > Australia? n. But they were alot closer to other cunt'ries she was visiting... Japan, Israel, and Austraya are not (unless, say, she for some reason had a huge NZ following & popped over to Austraya to do 1 little show). > Ahh, but The Sensual World was so good. Yes but that was before TRS. Actually I like all of TRS alot now bar the final 2 tracks... which are like.. "WHY, Kate, WHY?!" > If Tori stopped at SLG - we wouldn't have SW. And we wouldn't have to hear about her ancestry, "Scarlet", road-trips, coffee-shops, America, Scarlet Stories, Scarlet's Web, medicine wheels, Mary Magdalene (OK we'd still be hearing about her), Dubya, etc. Julian wrote: > and did NOT take a shining to the people who were at > my show Why not? What makes you say this? OK, apart from you & Roozi being in the audience, what reason/s did she NOT have to like 'yous'? ;) n. ===== "You've been in a rut ever since I've known you." - Jarrod, 21st February, 2003. "I mean he hasn't worked out yet that you don't really have 'feelings', other than maybe 'contempt' and 'self-satisfaction'." - Julian, 2nd January 2004. "Your whole existance [sic] would be like a mental orgasm for a psychologist!" - Jarrod, 7/5/03. "Religion has to be almost as stupid and meaningless as speech pathology. In fact now I come to think of it they both have a lot in common. No efficacy for practices, reliance on airy fairy BS that can't be proven, conservatism, denial, narrow minded people, stupidity and ignorance and the list goes on. More and more I realise that we are living in primitive dark ages. People are just so stupid." - Celia, 4/8/03. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:06:09 +1100 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH is enough... I can't go on, I can't go on no more now > Well Tori has 5 top 10 debut albums here to her > credit. The best Ani's ever done here is #31 or > something. The charts mean nada. You should know that by now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:10:52 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH is enough... I can't go on, I can't go on no more now Jaz wrote: > The charts mean nada. > You should know that by now. They *do* mean something when you are talking in terms of fan-base size. Alot more ppl in Austraya have bought Tori CDs than they have Ani's. It's a fact. So the logical conclusion is (unless say the same # of ppl who bought Delta Goodrem's Innocent Eyes have mischieviously burnt/downloaded Ani's albums rather than bought them since such options became widely available): More ppl have bought Tori's albums = she has a bigger fanbase here = more likely to 'sell out' a show of equivocal capacity to Ani. You should appeciate this as a business student. n. ===== "You've been in a rut ever since I've known you." - Jarrod, 21st February, 2003. "I mean he hasn't worked out yet that you don't really have 'feelings', other than maybe 'contempt' and 'self-satisfaction'." - Julian, 2nd January 2004. "Your whole existance [sic] would be like a mental orgasm for a psychologist!" - Jarrod, 7/5/03. "Religion has to be almost as stupid and meaningless as speech pathology. In fact now I come to think of it they both have a lot in common. No efficacy for practices, reliance on airy fairy BS that can't be proven, conservatism, denial, narrow minded people, stupidity and ignorance and the list goes on. More and more I realise that we are living in primitive dark ages. People are just so stupid." - Celia, 4/8/03. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:14:57 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Ani --- Jonceski Jasmina wrote: > > > Wasn't that show amazing!!! I was expecting good but > not what I got. > I'm seeing her again this Saturday in Canberra. > Can't wait. > Yup one of the best concerts I've been to. "Both Hands" and "Evolve" were both utterly perfect. And Ani was so energetic. The crowd "vibe" was also really good (even Ani mentioned it). Only bad thing: the woman right behind us was one of those "classic annoying fans" who thought that Ani was there playing just for HER. She talked TO Ani through the whole concert (despite the fact that we were in the stalls!), she laughed or moaned at every even slightly emotional moment (ruining said moment for everyone else) and she sung along really loudly to all the good bits (she yelled "fight, fight, fight" in Gravel louder than Ani did). She didn't ruin the show for me, but it wasn't through lack of trying. Btw, if that was you, I owe you an ass kicking. > Also I doubt Ani is making any money off the tour > (she might be since she is playing solo so there's > only a few people with her this time around but I > doubt it). I hear last time she toured Aus (not with > Dylan) she lost money. > The only reason to really tour Australia is for the > fans. > And well I don't think Tori cares much for us down > here. > I don't understand how tour artists can lose money on tours when they sell out their venues. I can understand if the theatres are half empty. But when they actually sell all the tickets in the place, and add MORE shows, and sell those dates too ... How can money still be lost?? If it's a matter of upping the ticket price a bit, I'd be willing to pay a bit more. I spent $60 on an Ani ticket this week, and $70 per ticket to Sydney Theatre Company productions ... in five years time I will remember the Ani concert, but doubt that Blithe Spirit or Othello will leave such a strong impression. There must be SOME way to configure venue, promotion, ticket prices, entourage, accompaniment, etc, in such a way as to make money. Also, I keep hearing that everything Tori loses money. I've heard her albums lose money, hence the constant touring. I've heard her tours break even. And yet, she has like 5 houses and a personal chef and nanny and studio. It can't just be those shares of Mp3.com that she got from Alanis. Besides, I think I heard that Tori lost money on those too! Hmn. she must get all her money from selling bootleg fariy wings on the side, and royalties for her appearance as "Tree" in the illustrated verion of Neil Gaiman's Stardust. And yeah, a small part of me thinks that Tori is not as "nice" and "fan-friendly" as she's made out to be. In fact, she seems to be a little ... instrumental in her treatment of people. > Also I don't know about Tori being more well known > than Ani. I mention either to most people and get a > blank response back. > Yeah, most people's response to either is either a blank stare or a slightly hostile response ... but a few more people seem to have heard of Tori. And the responses are less hostile. Whenever I've bought Tori CDs from record stores, the staff have always said really nice things. Whereas when I bought Ani's new CD, the two HMV staff started mocking her. Loudly. :O) J ===== ___________________________ www.livejournal.com/~blade_to_ice ___________________________ the needle is hot and my cells cannot feed and you obtained still that beauty that drags the feet that I hide it well ernestine of sister but I obtained still that beauty that drags the feet ... you are dull to the mountain surpasses I say that the thin legs would be able to utilize the sun but now desire for my better impression of my better one dickinson of angie Tori - To Spanish and Back ____________________________ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:20:50 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] ENOUGH is enough... I can't go on, I can't go on no more now --- Nathan . wrote: > > Why not? What makes you say this? OK, apart from > you > & Roozi being in the audience, what reason/s did she > NOT have to like 'yous'? ;) > Roozi wasn't at the show. He hasn't seen Tori live, to my knowledge. He does have a bootleg of the show I was at on tape though. (Note to self: ask him for copy.) Um, well at one point, Tori asked the audience to wave to her piano, because she was about to get on a boat and go back home. The crowd was like "uh, whatever". And when we didn't coo and fawn over the piano, she got kinda narky and pouty. She didn't seem to establish much of a rapport with the audience after that. :-( J ===== ___________________________ www.livejournal.com/~blade_to_ice ___________________________ the needle is hot and my cells cannot feed and you obtained still that beauty that drags the feet that I hide it well ernestine of sister but I obtained still that beauty that drags the feet ... you are dull to the mountain surpasses I say that the thin legs would be able to utilize the sun but now desire for my better impression of my better one dickinson of angie Tori - To Spanish and Back ____________________________ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V4 #20 ***************************