From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V3 #259 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Thursday, October 23 2003 Volume 03 : Number 259 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] T-bag [Andrew RAYFIELD ] Re: [oztori] T-bag [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] Mary single (sic) artwork & TOAL press release [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] OK one more b/c I can't resist [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] the medicine wheel also gets a mention.. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] Nathan is Tori's Bitch [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:54:33 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Andrew RAYFIELD Subject: Re: [oztori] T-bag Or Marianne or Easter or Oliver Stone or Simone de Bouvouir or Angie or Kaiser Wilhelm or Mary or Greg or Gretchen* *What I thought Tori said in place of "Russia" in Take To The Sky. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:37:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] T-bag Andrew RAYFIELD wrote: > Or Marianne or Easter or Oliver Stone or Simone de > Bouvouir or Angie or > Kaiser Wilhelm or Mary or Greg or > Gretchen* WTF are you on/on about, Andrew?! > *What I thought Tori said in place of "Russia" in > Take To The > Sky. :) Well yes that's because you have a central auditory processing disorder. lol. Celia wrote: > I haven't posted here for a while...quite frankly > I'm too scared to make ANY comment on TOAL (or > anything else Tori related for that matter) given > Nayth's obvious total superiority of the subject > material. Hyeh. Nah 'comment at your will' - I wouldn't be mean to you really... I think I already reached the pinnacle of that with the 'supermarket' episode.. *bites knuckle* Anything else would be a pale imitation. Nathan. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Mary single (sic) artwork & TOAL press release Mary artwork http://www.atforumz.com/showthread.php?t=213459 Um. I don't like Tori in these pictures. Cindy Palmano (and Eric Rosse while we're at it) - we beg of thee, COME BACK! All is forgiven! That belt is so tight it looks as though she's going to collapse. She looks like a slimmer, less buxom, more-airbrushed Bette Midler. No doubt a proper single won't actually be released (which may not be a bad thing - "no offence", but who would *really* want Tori to get known [fat chance!] for this song?!), just this promo. TOAL press release: http://www.yessaid.com/librarianpresskit.html OMG.. brace yourself for another 'concept', folks [my candid comments in square brackets]: "I started thinking about, um, [gotta have the obligatory 'um', because, you know, Tori's so, um, deep and all] the music that has been part of my life since I was really little - two and a half, [I think everyone knows by now that you were a piano prodigy at 2.5. Can we please stop mentioning it?] and Natashya my little girl asked me one day "What kind of music do you make Mummy?" and I started to think about it. And I wondered, if she were to play something in 20 years' time, did I have a compilation that could tell the story of this woman that was born in the 60s when Feminism was coming alive, and when America then was at a cross-road, um, as we've just been." [a) Oh fuck not America and her 'crossroads' again; b) Yup, Mr Zebra & Way Down tell your story like no other songs babe] The rest is too long for me to commment on here, but you can rest assured: she mentions Cherokees, being a minister's daughter, congressmen, 'stories from hundreds of years ago', "I started to think about the idea of being a Librarian".... (*snore*). omfg... IF ONLY Atlantic had just pulled a 'swifty' and released a compilation of her singles, we wouldn't be subject to this tripe yet again. Shame, Tori, SHAME! Nathan. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] just one more thing from that article " "Angels" is a song that I wrote this summer, after touring America yet again, and seeing where we are as a country, at our cross-roads. I've been moved by people's visions, all over the world," Since when has "America and more America, with 1 or 2 shows in Europe" been 'all over the world'?! Nathan. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:00:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] sorry another thing (last Tori 'bitch' for the day I promise!) omg @ this: " Mary was originally on Little Earthquakes. Little Earthquakes got rejected, some of the people might know this, and they wanted me to take all the pianos off and (giggle) put guitars on, which then pianos weren't something that, um, were getting played a lot on the radio - this was a while ago, 1990 - and I found that Mary became very much about now, when I was in the Detroit Blackouts, very recently. When I wrote the song originally, we were going through environmental changes at the time. Mary being our Earth, Mary being the Magdalene, it is a cross-reference in the Dewey Decimal System: the idea of our Earth being a possession, the idea of "woman" being a possession, the idea of America being a possession to those who pimp her out, um, or your own country, whatever that is. And I really felt like, when I was in the blackout, that not only have things um, become clearer to me that we're again at a dangerous cross-roads, of what are we going to leave the next generation? " She needs to lay off the wine/drugs. Nathan. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] OK one more b/c I can't resist " Because I've included "God" and "Crucify" on the album, which takes us from the Father and Son archetype in the Christian mythology idea, I felt like we had to have the Father and Son archetype [hasn't she covered this idea umtpeen times?] politically, which George W and George Senior, I wrote "Sweet Dreams", and recorded it, in 1990, singing about events then, and strangely enough, when I was listening to it on the Multis again, I realised that this was very topical now, and that we are re-living some of the same feelings again, that in the mid-90s, when I was writing "Playboy Mommy" for instance, I never thought that we would be living again. I talk about American soldiers in Playboy Mommy, not thinking about that I'd be getting letters from American soldiers, which I did a few months ago, saying "I'm going somewhere, taking Scarlet with me to the Indian Ocean, taking Scarlet and trying to be true to my beliefs, but I'm torn". And these feelings were with me as I was compiling the record, so we re-recorded Sweet Dreams with a new arrangement. " My only comment on the American soldiers taking 'Scarlet' with them to the 'war on terror' - I didn't think they allowed gays in the military. *guffaw* Nathan. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:09:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] the medicine wheel also gets a mention.. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA " When I see this work, what I was trying to achieve, was the medicine wheel, the idea of the Native American medicine wheel, which includes the four directions, and the four directions brings in different ideas, and different um, cultures, and light and darkness. It comes from all sides, and as above so below. So, in ceremony, um, you give tobacco to all six directions, and I tried to call in the songs as far as I could, in my own... what would you say?... in my Dewey Decimal System, to represent these six directions in this woman's life." N. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:13:06 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] sorry another thing (last Tori 'bitch' for the day I promise!) --- Nathan . wrote: > omg @ this: > Mary being our > Earth, Mary being the Magdalene, it is a > cross-reference in the Dewey Decimal System: OMG Nathan, please tell me you made that up and that she did NOT say that! Is she really going to be forcing this "librarian" concept onto songs so obviously written without that concept in mind?? Oh, when I sing "so I must get out of this" in MAAG, I'm referring to that time I got lost in the stacks section of the New York State Library ... and my love or reference books is what inspired the reference to "encyclopaedia" in CFG ... I really didn't mind the 'concepts' to Scarlet and SLG because the songs were written/chosen (respectively) with the concept in mind ... but here ... hnh J ===== ___________________________ www.livejournal.com/~blade_to_ice ___________________________ http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] sorry another thing (last Tori 'bitch' for the day I promise!) Julian P wrote: > OMG Nathan, please tell me you made that up and that > she did NOT say that! Is she really going to be > forcing this "librarian" concept onto songs so > obviously written without that concept in mind?? Julian, I didn't make it up. It's all on that press release on the yessaid.com site. You will learn there all about the Dewey Decimal system. LOL. Prepare yourselves for the "Dewey Drop Inn" tour. You've got to hand it to Tori - she does a very good parody of herself. > Oh, when I sing "so I must get out of this" in MAAG, > I'm referring to that time I got lost in the stacks > section of the New York State Library ... and my > love > or reference books is what inspired the reference to > "encyclopaedia" in CFG ... The article's not QUITE that bad.. though it nearly is. She also mentions her shoe collection in there too. OK. I've got a 'theory' on all this. Tori is depressed and/or no longer gives a shit about her music. She's not happy in her marriage, and she's got delayed post-natal blues. It's too threatening for her to realise any of this yet, so she's 'dealing' with it by going on auto-pilot, making ridiculous decisions, and rehashing ridiculous lines that make her look like a parody of herself. N. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:22:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] this sums it up nicely from a thread about the TOAL press release on @forumz: Brambles not for the season Avatar Joined: Feb 2000 i doubt it's fake..but if it is, that person does a very good tori impression. N. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:51:39 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] OK one more b/c I can't resist --- Nathan . wrote: > > My only comment on the American soldiers taking > 'Scarlet' with them to the 'war on terror' - I > didn't > think they allowed gays in the military. *guffaw* > LOL, do you think the US military's "dont ask, don't tell" policy also prevents them from asking the question "do you own, or have you ever owned, a Tori Amos CD?"? J ===== ___________________________ www.livejournal.com/~blade_to_ice ___________________________ http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:54:27 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] the medicine wheel also gets a mention.. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA --- Nathan . wrote: > " When I see this work, what I was trying to > achieve, > was the medicine wheel, the idea of the Native > American medicine wheel, which includes the four > directions, and the four directions brings in > different ideas, and different um, cultures, and > light > and darkness. It comes from all sides, and as above > so > below. So, in ceremony, um, you give tobacco to all > six directions, and I tried to call in the songs as > far as I could, in my own... what would you say?... > in > my Dewey Decimal System, to represent these six > directions in this woman's life." > > Coming soon from Atlantic Records: "One Metaphor Too Far: A Tori Amos Collection" ... a nice compliment to the forthcoming "Tales of a Proctologist: A Tori Amos Sample" (I'm sorry but what else *could* she be doing on that TOAL cover??) ... J ===== ___________________________ www.livejournal.com/~blade_to_ice ___________________________ http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] OK one more b/c I can't resist Julian P wrote: > --- Nathan . wrote: > > > > My only comment on the American soldiers taking > > 'Scarlet' with them to the 'war on terror' - I > > didn't > > think they allowed gays in the military. *guffaw* > > > > LOL, do you think the US military's "dont ask, don't > tell" policy also prevents them from asking the > question "do you own, or have you ever owned, a Tori > Amos CD?"? Nah, they just do a scan of their 'bodymap'. *rolls eyes* N. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:44:51 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Andrew RAYFIELD Subject: [oztori] Nathan is Tori's Bitch I believe she IS using the whole 'Librarian' thing as a concept - i.e. she mentions the Dewy-Decimal system A LOT! LOL! - but I think it's more in the concept (if you read the whole thing at thedent.com) of her making a library/catalogue of her life - through music - up until this point. Or she has been converted to the Dewy-Decimal system by a very charismatic Librarian and is living in a Lesbian-Librarian commune somewhere in the middle of Oregon. Don't drink the cool-aid. I think this quote was quite amusing: "Angels" is a song that I wrote this summer, after touring America yet again Funny how she says "YET again" :) I haven't read the whole 'interview/press release' but it is quite interesting. And Nathan has taken parts out of the original that take things out of context. PLUS I like the 'outfits' she is wearing for the TOAL/Mary covers!! Oh and the person on the ship in the Indian ocean may have been a WOMAN - but HEY! I've got to stick up for us minorities... Straight Tori Fans Unite!! On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, [iso-8859-1] Julian P wrote: > --- Nathan . wrote: > omg @ > this: > > Mary being our > > Earth, Mary being the Magdalene, it is a > > cross-reference in the Dewey Decimal System: > > > OMG Nathan, please tell me you made that up and that > she did NOT say that! Is she really going to be > forcing this "librarian" concept onto songs so > obviously written without that concept in mind?? > > Oh, when I sing "so I must get out of this" in MAAG, > I'm referring to that time I got lost in the stacks > section of the New York State Library ... and my love > or reference books is what inspired the reference to > "encyclopaedia" in CFG ... > > I really didn't mind the 'concepts' to Scarlet and SLG > because the songs were written/chosen (respectively) > with the concept in mind ... but here ... hnh > > J > > ===== > ___________________________ > > www.livejournal.com/~blade_to_ice > > ___________________________ > > http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals > New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:47:19 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Andrew RAYFIELD Subject: Re: [oztori] OK one more b/c I can't resist On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Nathan [UNKNOWN] . wrote: > Julian P wrote: > > > --- Nathan . wrote: > > > > > > My only comment on the American soldiers taking > > > 'Scarlet' with them to the 'war on terror' - I > > > didn't > > > think they allowed gays in the military. *guffaw* > > > > > > > LOL, do you think the US military's "dont ask, don't > > tell" policy also prevents them from asking the > > question "do you own, or have you ever owned, a Tori > > Amos CD?"? > > Nah, they just do a scan of their 'bodymap'. *rolls > eyes* > Bodymap!?! WTF?? "Is that a copy of Scarlet's Walk or are you just pleased to see me?" > > N. > > ===== > "Basically, I got more than I bargained for > Pitifully, you competed with me > Ironically, there were roses and kisses > But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" > > - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:50:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Andrew is my Bitch Andrew RAYFIELD wrote: > I believe she IS using the whole 'Librarian' thing > as a concept - i.e. she > mentions the Dewy-Decimal system A LOT! LOL! - but I > think it's more in > the concept (if you read the whole thing at > thedent.com) of her making a > library/catalogue of her life - through music - up > until this point. I can't wait to see her listed as an entry on MedLine - - perhaps under miscellaneous psychosis. > I think this quote was quite amusing: > > "Angels" is a song that I wrote this summer, after > touring America yet > again > > Funny how she says "YET again" :) Well it's HER CHOICE. I mean if she could go to bloody Iceland & Israel & here on her LE tour, surely she could pull it now if she gave a shit. > I haven't read the whole 'interview/press release' > but it is quite > interesting. Interesting to see how far she has fallen. > And Nathan has taken parts out of the > original that take > things out of context. I haven't Andrew. Read it. Tori really has 'lost it' this time. > PLUS I like the 'outfits' she > is wearing for the > TOAL/Mary covers!! Well you would. > Oh and the person on the ship in the Indian ocean > may have been a WOMAN - > but HEY! I've got to stick up for us minorities... > Straight Tori Fans > Unite!! Dyslexic Tori Fans Untie :P PS Andrew you didn't delete the part of my email that you didn't respond to. That is really annoying. Nathan. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:51:22 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Nathan is Tori's Bitch --- Andrew RAYFIELD wrote: > PLUS I like the 'outfits' she > is wearing for the > TOAL/Mary covers!! > Are you *sure* you're straight??? > but HEY! I've got to stick up for us minorities... > Straight Tori Fans > Unite!! > Well, ifyousayso ... ;-) J ===== ___________________________ www.livejournal.com/~blade_to_ice ___________________________ http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:57:25 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: Re: [oztori] Mary single (sic) artwork & TOAL press release Nayth wrote on Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:47:21 -0700 (PDT) >Mary artwork > >http://www.atforumz.com/showthread.php?t=213459 > >Um. I don't like Tori in these pictures. Cindy >Palmano (and Eric Rosse while we're at it) - we beg of >thee, COME BACK! All is forgiven! That belt is so >tight it looks as though she's going to collapse. She >looks like a slimmer, less buxom, more-airbrushed >Bette Midler. OMG! That is shocking. Half her arm is missing! Dare I say it, I agree with you Nayth. I am going to get this album, as I am missing these b-sides, but I can't help but get a little worried as to what I am going to end up getting. All the talk on the revisiting thing and rehashing certain songs are a concern. Then again, Tori these days is a bit of a worry. Must ditch the hubby and kids and run back to the piano, grrrrl. ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] bodymap Andrew RAYFIELD wrote: > Bodymap!?! WTF?? "Is that a copy of Scarlet's Walk > or are you just pleased > to see me?" "Bodymap" = the thing Tori was on about in approx. 99% of SW interviews; along with 'the land', Cherokees, her 'heritage', the medicine wheel, America pimping out 'her' soul, the road trip, etc. Andrew, were you not paying attention? N. ===== "Basically, I got more than I bargained for Pitifully, you competed with me Ironically, there were roses and kisses But honestly, if you think you'd succeed" - - 'Suddenly' (demo version), Siobhan Fahey. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V3 #259 ****************************