From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V3 #221 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Sunday, August 31 2003 Volume 03 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] [] Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] [] RE: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] [] Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] [] Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] [] Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] [] RE: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] [] [oztori] #OzTori Issue ["Merman" ] Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] [] [oztori] move on people, nothing to see here ["Matty Vines" Subject: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] I've been banned from #oztori chatroom, a few weeks (probably at least 6 or so?) after apparently offending Dan P (aka Merms) & his mom. The 'straw that broke the camel's back': *** MrE24 has joined #OzTori *** Z sets mode: +o MrE24 hello? hi what's up? back DAN! get fucked nayth :) nah I'll settle with my toes being sucked :) well this is cheery sorry, Im busy explaining to the cheap whore what felching means :) *gulp* for what it's worth dan, I really am very genuinely sorry It was, however, easy enough to minimise the window nayth, you're not helping Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind :) *** MrE24 sets mode: +b kind enough? ouch I think I've been banned #OzTori Cannot send to channel uh? he might find it a little difficult to answer you on channel should I leave too before I get kicked? have I kicked anyone yet? nayth? like 1 min ago I didnt kick him, I banned him. Hes still there Thoughts? (or "you could care less"?) *sniff*. FYI, I only use the room really to speak to AndrewR. Dan... don't destroy this last pleasure in my life plz. Nathan. ===== "I want to be a lawyer I want to be a scholar But I really can't be bothered" - Kate Bush, 'Sat In Your Lap' "I do feel very alienated from the rest of society and I have done forever really" - - Siobhan Fahey, in 'Women, Sex and Rock N' Roll', 1994. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:05:43 +1000 From: Zac Ariel Subject: Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] Nathan . wrote: > I've been banned from #oztori chatroom, a few weeks > (probably at least 6 or so?) after apparently > offending Dan P (aka Merms) & his mom. The 'straw > that broke the camel's back': and of course, what nathan didn't show you was an earlier part of conversation that is a prime example of why nathan got banned. i'm absolutely happy to post that, if people want to see it. i would also like to make two things perfectly clear: (a) the ban in question lasts for a week. (b) the channel is for reasonable chatter between reasonable people. you don't get banned/kicked/whatever else for "just being there". we (the mods) only ask that you "remember the human". open up your favourite irc program, connect to an ozorg server, (client.oz.org) and join the oztori chat channel (#oztori) - we don't bite unless you ask for it :) z. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:24:42 +1000 From: "Merman" Subject: RE: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] In response to Nathan's email... Whilst the chat channel was set up for list members to chat, and they are connected, they are also seperate. If users of the list who also chat on the channel, have an issue in relation to something that has happened on the IRC Channel, then please feel free to log onto IRC, and discuss it. Nathan has been banned from the chat channel for a period of 7 days. If youd like to know why, again, feel free to log onto the channel to discuss it. It doesnt belong on list, because it didnt happen on list. If Im not available on the channel, you can also email me *privately* in relation to your views on the issue. Nathan was in fact given an oppurtunity to discuss this with myself, and he made the choice himself. Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 2003 09:40:46 -0000 From: "Matty Vines" Subject: Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] Nayth. If you typed that in front of my mother, i would kill you. If you had of typed that in front of any member of my family or friend i would be highly embarrassed. That sort of talk may be acceptable to you but unfortunately it's not acceptable to a lot of the world. it's just really not appropriate, that's what whispers and private chats are for i guess. i just think you should try to think about who the audience is if you're going to say things that may offend people. I just don't think you realize.. and sorta being a bitch when you were about to be banned and making smart comments about minimizing the window.. that's a bit harsh. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 2003 09:47:44 -0000 From: "Matty Vines" Subject: Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] Nayth. If you typed that in front of my mother, i would kill you. If you had of typed that in front of any member of my family or friend i would be highly embarrassed. That sort of talk may be acceptable to you but unfortunately it's not acceptable to a lot of the world. it's just really not appropriate, that's what whispers and private chats are for i guess. i just think you should try to think about who the audience is if you're going to say things that may offend people. I just don't think you realize.. and sorta being a bitch when you were about to be banned and making smart comments about minimizing the window.. that's a bit harsh. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "©" e a l s Subject: Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] canijustsay "now now boys..." Dear oh dear. Ceals ===== "Feather scratches on her wrist, Dry run with a bread knife For a final twist It won't be for show, If it should come to this" 'Torch The Moon' - The Whitlams __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] Merman wrote: > Nathan has been banned from the chat channel for a > period of 7 days. If > youd like to know why, Why: 1. Because some comments were made in jest about 6+ weeks ago, from which you could have easily prevented your mother from reading (how were we supposed to know that she was reading #oztori [as I said to you, when she shouldn't have been] when YOU are logged on as you - - you said she was 'looking at ebay' - ie, not actually reading other windows - again the 'you could have minimised/closed it down if you didn't want her to see it' argument appears). 2. Because you happen to dislike me (fine) - and you have the power to kick/ban me. Why not Julian also? He was also 'making the comments'. Seletively, it is ok for you to say "get fucked Nayth", yet I can't say "sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind". Like I said, practise what you preach. In spite of all my "meanness", I've never told you to fuck off. > again, feel free to log onto > the channel to discuss > it. Oh yes - feel free to 'discuss' such things, when no 'discussion' actually takes place before you are banned. > It doesnt belong on list, because it didnt > happen on list. Yes, but it is 'list-related'. > Nathan was in fact given an oppurtunity to discuss > this with myself, and he > made the choice himself. An opportunity to 'discuss' it with you *after* you had already banned. "Oh well". Matty V wrote: > Nayth. > If you typed that in front of my mother, i would > kill you. Yes, but she shouldn't be reading it. I wouldn't say such "horrible" things as "lol I wonder what price your mom would go for on ebay" if I knew she was reading the screen. > it's just really not appropriate, that's what > whispers and private chats are for i guess. i just > think you should try to think about who the audience > is if you're going to say things that may offend > people. Yes, but can you explain how saying "Dan!" 'offends' somebody. > I just don't think you realize.. - -s-. We're not in America. Zac Ariel wrote: > and of course, what nathan didn't show you was an > earlier part of > conversation that is a prime example of why nathan > got banned. i'm > absolutely happy to post that, if people want to see > it. Wrong - I posted the convo from the moment Dan showed up. Nothing was said about him beforehand. "Deal with it". Nathan. ===== "I want to be a lawyer I want to be a scholar But I really can't be bothered" - Kate Bush, 'Sat In Your Lap' "I do feel very alienated from the rest of society and I have done forever really" - - Siobhan Fahey, in 'Women, Sex and Rock N' Roll', 1994. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:07:01 +1000 From: "Merman" Subject: [oztori] #OzTori Issue Once again, if you want to discuss it, you do it on IRC, or you email me OFF LIST. It is only list related, if it happens ON LIST. This did not, therefore it shouldnt be discussed on-list. This invitation to discuss it on IRC, or by private email remains open to anyone. Dan - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Nathan . Sent: Saturday, 30 August 2003 11:36 PM To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: RE: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:48:07 +1000 From: Zac Ariel Subject: Re: [oztori] Sure, 'this isn't the place' (sic), but I don't get my 'day in court' elswhere... [don't open ifyouwant] Nathan . wrote: >>and of course, what nathan didn't show you was an >>earlier part of >>conversation that is a prime example of why nathan >>got banned. i'm >>absolutely happy to post that, if people want to see >>it. > > > Wrong - I posted the convo from the moment Dan showed > up. Nothing was said about him beforehand. i'd appreciate it a great deal if you stopped trying to twist my words around. i didn't say that it had anything to do with dan, i merely said that it (what you had written to the irc channel) was a prime example of (one of) the reason(s) you got banned in the first place. which again, i'd like to remind you is temporary. since you insist on continuing this argument on-list, despite both dan and myself inviting you to take it up with one or both of us privately, i'll now post that example. my sincere apologies to anyone who's not interested - it's a relatively long chat transcript. - ----- start transcript ----- [17:36] *** Jules (clever_tor@CPE-203-45-89-218.nsw.bigpond.net.au) has joined channel #OzTori *** You are no longer marked as being away. [17:37] helloooooo?? [17:38] *** Nayth (dialnforna@032.a.002.gee.iprimus.net.au) has joined channel #OzTori [17:38] zac [17:38] speak! [17:39] what do you have to say for yourself [17:39] [Nayth FINGER] [17:39] I wonder where Tanru is? [17:39] I just fingered zac but he's not responding [17:39] [Nayth FINGER] [17:39] god knows [17:39] he can't have gotten a life surely! [17:39] if you fingered me, I'd play dead" too Nugz [17:40] cool [17:40] you can help me live out my necrophile fantasies [17:40] IF MRS ARIEL IS READING THIS, ASK YOUR SON WHAT "FELCHING" MEANS [17:40] And what do you think a fair starting bid for her on ebay would be Julian? [17:40] lol I had completely forgotten we did that till Dan mentioned it in that email [17:41] LOL [17:41] "1 cent mother! No reserve! L@@K" [17:41] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030829/ap_on_fe_st/bride_rage_4 [17:41] free postage anywhere in the world [17:41] express [17:41] insurance extra [17:41] I think my part in it was 'played up' [17:42] I think everything is 'played up' in Dan's mind [17:42] I'm not "innocent", but I'm not the monster he made me out to be [17:42] monsters are the best, most wonderful [17:42] I'd fight for my right to have you :P [17:43] did your yahoo just go down? [17:43] *** CTCP: Nayth pinged you. [17:44] *** CTCP: Nayth requested the time. [17:44] [Nayth FINGER] - ----- end transcript ----- referring specifically to what transpired between 5:40 pm and 5:42 pm -- surely nathan, after receiving a somewhat 'frosty response' to your saying this in the first instance, what on earth made you think it would be even slightly funny the second time around? i for one am offended, as i have a great deal of respect for my mother - a concept you evidently find alien. i am certainly glad that my mother didn't see it, and would be quite embarrassed if she ever did. you first get cranky because your precious ops got taken away from you, after you had abused them with constant de-opping, kicking and topic changing. you then complain about your first (temporary) ban because you posted to the channel words to the effect of what i've just posted to the list above, and now you're complaining because you've consistently shown that you're unable to "remember the human", and got dealt a consequence that you find a bitter draught to swallow? sincerely, i'm at a loss. what did you expect? as for "dealing with it"? be very thankful that it was dan and not me, as i personally think dan has been awfully nice about it all. i wouldn't have been, and i won't be if this continues when your ban expires. again, all i'm asking for you to do is remember that you're talking to people - people who might get offended at what you say. we're not robots, we do actually have feelings. surely that's not much to ask. and finally, i respectfully request that if you want to take this issue any further, please please please e-mail me offlist. i'm more than happy to discuss any particulars with you, but privately please :) z. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 2003 01:25:32 -0000 From: "Matty Vines" Subject: [oztori] move on people, nothing to see here OK. This is an OzTori list. I don't believe that people come here to see public spats. this constant arguing reminds me of schoolboys comparing the size of their members, alright. It's not something that looks good on you. please, take it off the list. For a start, remember everything here is archived. EVERYTHING. And who would want to join a list where this sorta shit is going on publically. Honestly, your fights are none of the rest of the world's business. So if you'd like to talk about it, could you possibly try to do it without an audience? We're not a jury and you're not lawyers it's not up to us decide and i'm not sure that most of us know. Attacking each other is easy, and stupid. Especially trying to involve an audience. I'm not targeting any one person here and i'm not targeting this particular issue, either. I've screwed up too, and i've had public things on lists, but when you're aware of it you must try to stop it. There's a time and a place and this is not it. Please just let it go or discuss it off list. Matt ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V3 #221 ****************************