From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V3 #210 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Tuesday, August 19 2003 Volume 03 : Number 210 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] Another suggestion [Zac Ariel ] [oztori] another 'candid comment' re: being against bulletin-boarding... [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Another suggestion [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Hmmm Bop [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Another suggestion [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Forum or Mailing List [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Another suggestion [AndrewR ] [oztori] results [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Hmmm Bop [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Another suggestion [=?iso-8859-1?q?Clever=20Neil=20Reference] [oztori] ideas for oztori forumz [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] THE OZTORI BULLETIN BOARD IS HERE!! L@@@@@@K!!!! [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] Tears on the sleeve of a man don't want to be a boy today [=?iso] Re: [oztori] Tears on the sleeve of a man don't want to be a boy today ["] Re: [oztori] Another suggestion [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Tears on the sleeve of a man don't want to be a boy-toy today [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Tears on the sleeve of a man don't want to be a boy-toy today [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: [oztori] Renewing mine & Bindy's wedding vows [Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Another suggestion Rebecca Appleton wrote: > 3. Bulletin Boards take too long on my shithouse modem to access. > HTML + ads + people's cute little smileys and footers and blah blah > blah all adds up to frustration. i agree with becc. the main reason bulletin boards/forums suck so very much is (a) the avatars, (b) the smiley faces, (c) the signatures, (d) the avatars and finally (e) the signatures. don't get me wrong, forums can be great, but most of them aren't - and trying to do the forum thing would completely kill this list. the funny thing is an interactive website for a mailing list would and does work -- you just need people to actually use it. and that's just the thing - while i was hosting it, no one really actually did use it. i'll flatter myself in thinking that it wasn't the fault of the designer so much as it was the lack of visitors to it :) that, and the fact that no one paid any attention to the e-mails i sent the list, warning of the domain expiry. someone else has since decided to register it - so it's no longer available .... and frankly i was sick of paying for hosting when no one was actually visiting it anyway - it seemed a bit pointless to me :| i suggest it remains a mailing list. i vote that andrew (r) take over list moderator duties.. do i have a second? z. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] another 'candid comment' re: being against bulletin-boarding... it means that ppl like moi won't get 68 emails a day to skim through & therefore will start to feel less "special" :( Nathan. ===== "I want to be a lawyer I want to be a scholar But I really can't be bothered" - Kate Bush, 'Sat In Your Lap' "I do feel very alienated from the rest of society and I have done forever really" - - Siobhan Fahey, in 'Women, Sex and Rock N' Roll', 1994. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:56:17 +1000 From: "Lavenda" Subject: [oztori] to BB or not BB I'm not in favour of some sort of board (as in message or bulletin, not as in company) replacing the list. Like others have already mentioned, I prefer having the emails on my computer to read at my leisure and I'm more likely to read when there sitting there waving their bold little hands at me. That said, I can't say no to a board on the account of avatars and sigs alone, since they're one of the first things i sort out if I join one. Just aslong as people don't go over the top and the board doesn't take an eternity to load. It's all a question of what you are looking for in a list, or place to communicate. Most people will realise that the list has changed a lot since it's inception (and I haven't even been here that long). Perhaps there is room for both, and perhaps the timing just wasn't right when Zac had the website all organised. I know myself persoanlly am (obviously) in a largely lurker phase at the moment with vertually every list I'm on. It's not jsut a question of time to post, but time to think about a response, if I am inspired to respond. And Tori's activity has a large deal to do with that. And yes, there are spelling mistakes, but I have a roast to rescue from the oven, so toodle pippinski X Lavs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:56:24 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Another suggestion At 11:08 AM 18/08/2003, Nathan =?UNKNOWN?B?rg==?= wrote: >Andrew RAYFIELD wrote: > > > Hard to keep it Aus and NZ? - easy people have to > > REGISTER to use the > > boards. You can make it that the people who join > > have to only REGISTER > > from an australian domain e-mail account (or NZ). > >lol that would then exclude me atm ;) > > > > AND you can depending on which features you enable - > > change the subject - > > well at least the subject of successive posts to the > > one thread. > >Oh so this is like one o'those boards that go like: > >*Any Tori fans into pigeons? AndrewR 18/08 10:29 > *Re: Any Tori fans into pigeons? BlackDove 18/08 >10:31 > *YES! EvenStillThePigeonHasToLand 18/08 13:42 > *Re: YES! AndrewR 18/08 14:59 > >etc. No, I hate them types o board - see theonering.net It's the UBB board. And I reguards the account - personal contact would probably allow a person with a non au/nz based account to join. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:04:12 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Hmmm Bop At 11:52 AM 18/08/2003, Matty Vines wrote: >Do you think there would be enough postings to warrant a messageboard? >If there is, i think it's an awesome idea. Yes. And actually would allow more discussion - both on and off topic. As I said - more people would probably join the "list"/"board" as it doesn't come with the "you'll have a billion e-mails in your inbox" clause. >I DON"T WANT THAT >no freakin' way am i joining a dodgy board like that, like the one on >liz-phair.com... If it was a board, i think it would have to be one >FORMATTED like the one on atforumz. agreed - but with not so many DAMNED sub-boards. >I'm sorry, i'm not stupid completely, tho i'm not that good with >computers, and those dodgy messageboards bug me and confuse the hell outta me. >And you can't have pictures and profiles and cool stuff either. I think the pictures depending on the server - slow the board down a lot. >I seriously think the ones on atforumz with all the cool stuff and nice >clean format are way better.. >Thoughts everyone else? >oh and just to update.. found out ex bf is not the only one who thinks ex >bf is hot. apparently most of the specific population of my town thinks so >too, and has done him. >and apparently a few of them have hep c now. >and apparently ex bf is riddled with STDs. >hah. Any doctors on this list that might wanna talk to me a little bit? mmm? >i think ex bf is gonna be headless and not man-size no more. >byeeeeeeeeeee. Matty - that's not good. Go and see a doctor - if you are embarrassed about going to the family doctor - you know you can always go and see another. >oh and one thing to think about about boards is that once somethings out >there, it's out there for YEARS until it's deleted by a moderator or until >the board is lcosed.. Agreed - the e-mails here are too fleeting. If you get too many after a long absence - you end up deleting them all - whereas with a board you can read them at your leisure. AS WELL as adjusting it to suit the number of times you visit it to how many posts you want to see. >Email it's deleted or kept as wanted >and new members wouldn't see it. yes - it would only be visible by moderators incase of the rare need contact needed to be made. >boards make thoughts permanent which would mean that it would ALWAYS have >to be ON topic and completely about tori and no personality involved, >basically. no one wants to come back and be embarrassed by weird stuff. No, no - they don't have to be nazi-fied. You have a few different sub boards like Tori - on topic and Tori off topic or something. >we'd all have to censor a lot more. (OK, *I* would have to censor a lot >more), and it would kill a lot of the familytype lovin we have going on >here, don't you think? You don't need to sensor yourself at all. It all depends on whether your moderator(s) were/are nazi's about such things. >It would make everything .. *gasp*.. Public. Well all these posts are public too you know Matty - they are in an archive - - somewhere... SOMEWHERE!! :) >mattyv... (i personally read atforumz often but i'm not a member). I avoid atforumz like the plague. Please don't use that place as a comparison to all UBB or web-boards in general. >******************************* >my online journal: - http://unspokenthings.blogspot.com >"all people who are fat seem to eat alot of chips. knock it off." - >Courtney Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:08:01 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Another suggestion At 12:06 PM 18/08/2003, Audrie Tiong wrote: >*snippity* > > --- Nathan . wrote: > > Andrew RAYFIELD wrote: > > > > > Hard to keep it Aus and NZ? - easy people have to > > > REGISTER to use the > > > boards. You can make it that the people who join > > > have to only REGISTER > > > from an australian domain e-mail account (or NZ). > > > > lol that would then exclude me atm ;) > >and moi... not that i contribute much :P Audz - I'm sure there is a way around it - even if it requires a mini Aus/Nz/Oceania quiz or something like - how many years has it been since Tori Amos toured Australia and New Zealand? Plus - you just ban people who were obviously not Oztorians. I mean - wtf would they join if the whole idea of it was to post to People in this part of the world? That's why I hate other "non oztorian" web-sites/boards - with all their crap about how fucking awesome it was to see Tori for the 14th time 'this leg of the tour' and that the fifth chord of the second song was different to that she played in New York's second concert of the DDI and Plugged tours. ARRRRRRGH. Maybe a quiz question could be - who performed the classic j-files interview in 1998? >i just really don't enjoy message boards anymore... the only one i can almost >stand is the nin.com one and even then, i don't go there more than once in a >few mths. plus i never can be bothered to follow all the threads... at least >with emails, i know what came first etc. > >just my 2 cents worth :D > >and some Tori-ness... there's this song they play on a promo of some Tom >Cruise >movie marathon here in Singapore, and i swear it's Tori... even my sister says >so. but i can't for the life of me figure out what in the heck the song is... >it would help if i could remember the words... err... never mind... >tralalala... > >i just had a whole thing of coffee *buzzzz* > >audrie > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:08:56 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Forum or Mailing List At 02:18 PM 18/08/2003, Bindy . wrote: >Audrie Tiong wrote on Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:06:36 +0100 (BST) > >>i just really don't enjoy message boards anymore... plus i never can be >>bothered to follow all the threads... at least >>with emails, i know what came first etc. >> >>just my 2 cents worth :D > >Yeah, I have to agree with you there. I actually like the email >format. It encourages me to read it more regularly. A forum I will >forget to log on to for ages and miss bits. I do this with others. You just can't please anyone can you? :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:12:17 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Another suggestion At 05:21 PM 18/08/2003, Zac Ariel wrote: >Rebecca Appleton wrote: > >>3. Bulletin Boards take too long on my shithouse modem to access. >>HTML + ads + people's cute little smileys and footers and blah blah blah >>all adds up to frustration. > >i agree with becc. the main reason bulletin boards/forums suck so very >much is (a) the avatars, (b) the smiley faces, (c) the signatures, (d) the >avatars and finally (e) the signatures. I agree - simplistic forums are the best. There'd be no 'avatars' - I'm guessing that is the pictures on the left hand bar after the poster's nick/name? No pics in sigs Sig length restricted to simple text of three lines or something the basic number of emoticons - 8 I think it is. Again another reason I hate atforumz - all the begukking pictures people load on there. Any pictures posted would be links only - an only to your own web-space... no band-width hogging. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:14:29 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] results Well - this UBB/bulletin board discussion has at least brought out a few semi-lurkers :) And is some-what on topic. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Hmmm Bop AndrewR wrote: > Matty - that's not good. Go and see a doctor - if > you are embarrassed about > going to the family doctor - you know you can always > go and see another. ..or wait till Andz (maybe?) does postrad Med & then go see him as one of his 'practice' patients :) > You don't need to sensor yourself at all. It all > depends on whether your > moderator(s) were/are nazi's about such things. nazinayth ;) Cool.. can I be a co-mod? (Zac baby... your days are numbered). > Well all these posts are public too you know Matty - > they are in an archive > - somewhere... SOMEWHERE!! :) http://www.smoe.org/lists/oztori/ as if to 'prove a point'. Nathan. ===== "I want to be a lawyer I want to be a scholar But I really can't be bothered" - Kate Bush, 'Sat In Your Lap' "I do feel very alienated from the rest of society and I have done forever really" - - Siobhan Fahey, in 'Women, Sex and Rock N' Roll', 1994. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:26:18 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Clever=20Neil=20Reference?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Another suggestion > No, I hate them types o board - see theonering.net > > It's the UBB board. > > And I reguards the account - personal contact would > probably allow a person > with a non au/nz based account to join. So we type/spell badly AND discriminate? I'm so delighted to be associated with this group. John Clever_Neil_Reference http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:32:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] ideas for oztori forumz 1. OzTori forum 2. OffTopic forum 3. Nayth forum 4. My life is so bad etc. forum 5. I'm better than you b/c I get laid forum 6. One line replies & forget to delete rest of post forum 7. Scandal'us OzTori gossip forum Nathan. ===== "I want to be a lawyer I want to be a scholar But I really can't be bothered" - Kate Bush, 'Sat In Your Lap' "I do feel very alienated from the rest of society and I have done forever really" - - Siobhan Fahey, in 'Women, Sex and Rock N' Roll', 1994. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 04:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] THE OZTORI BULLETIN BOARD IS HERE!! L@@@@@@K!!!! http://oztori.proboards19.com/ Nathan. ===== "I want to be a lawyer I want to be a scholar But I really can't be bothered" - Kate Bush, 'Sat In Your Lap' "I do feel very alienated from the rest of society and I have done forever really" - - Siobhan Fahey, in 'Women, Sex and Rock N' Roll', 1994. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 2003 11:24:34 -0000 From: "Matty Vines" Subject: Re: [oztori] Another suggestion > So we type/spell badly AND discriminate? I'm so > delighted to be associated with this group. > > John ********Um, if you weren't being sarcastic: Get the hell over it. If you don't have anything positive to say here, or even CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, and nobody wants to here shit, why did you say *anything*? And if you were joking.. It's been a long night. Fucking school. Mum got me in trouble she kept making me laugh and laughing through the guidance officer's two hour long presentation that was SPOSED to go for HALF A FRICKING HOUR. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:08:48 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Clever=20Neil=20Reference?= Subject: [oztori] Tears on the sleeve of a man don't want to be a boy today > ********Um, if you weren't being sarcastic: Get the > hell over it. I'm 'over it'. I think I may have even inspired a song. ;-) > If you don't have anything positive to say here, or > even CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, and nobody wants to > here shit, why did you say *anything*? And if you > were joking.. It's been a long night. I'm sorry if it's been a long night. I was only trying to make a point in a way that was amusing to read. (Admittedly the snide remark about spelling had no point. lol) While I can appreciate why people want to make it an 'Australian/New Zealand only affair', but really I think it's inappropriate to be enforcing it with as much vigor as some people are suggesting. Discrimination is discrimation at the end of the day, regardless of the reason. Make the content Australian/New Zealand and Australians and New Zealanders will gravitate towards it. Put a big freaking sign on the front door that says "Americans/Europeans will be shot" and go about removing people whose email addresses don't end in .au ... can you understand how offensive that is? Besides think of all the valuable contributions that could be made by other people in non-Australian/New Zealand parts of the world, and how deprived this list would be without them? Sincerely, John http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 2003 12:19:48 -0000 From: "Matty Vines" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tears on the sleeve of a man don't want to be a boy today > I'm sorry if it's been a long night. I was only trying > to make a point in a way that was amusing to read. > (Admittedly the snide remark about spelling had no > point. lol) ********I'm sorry, humour isn't my best point.. Though, we got kicked out of student night tonight, basically, due to constantly laughing. Put a big > freaking sign on the front door that says > "Americans/Europeans will be shot" and go about > removing people whose email addresses don't end in .au > ... can you understand how offensive that is? *********John, i agree. I totally disagree with restricting it completely to fuckin Ozzies and NZs.. That's totally discriminatory and unnecessary As if the americans are gonna WANNA come to us when there's atforumz. They can come if they want but not necessarily discuss every american concert.. which wouldn't happen anyway. Oztori is a small community, like a menthol 8 longbeach cigarette. I don't see why we'd wanna restric tthe poor bastards if they stupid enuff to join an ozzie list. UNLESS its one of my ex bf who has moved to america they can fucking get shot on sight. > Besides think of all the valuable contributions that > could be made by other people in non-Australian/New > Zealand parts of the world, and how deprived this list > would be without them? *******I agree with you John. Anyone pisses john off, they got me to stand up against. and i vote as ANDREW as the moderator, OK. and a WOMAN. like.. yeah. it's not saturday night.. anyone wanna do one of my assignments? matt who takes john the wrong way oftenlike. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:57:40 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Another suggestion At 08:26 PM 18/08/2003, Clever Neil Reference wrote: > > No, I hate them types o board - see theonering.net > > > > It's the UBB board. > > > > And I reguards the account - personal contact would > > probably allow a person > > with a non au/nz based account to join. > > >So we type/spell badly AND discriminate? I'm so >delighted to be associated with this group. Yas. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:00:45 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Tears on the sleeve of a man don't want to be a boy-toy today At 10:08 PM 18/08/2003, Clever Neil Reference wrote: >Besides think of all the valuable contributions that >could be made by other people in non-Australian/New >Zealand parts of the world, and how deprived this list >would be without them? If you want their 'input' - go to the insipid @forumz it's not called oztori for nothing. It's always been this way - from it's beginning. The only non- aus/nz/singaporean-but-australian-just-for-you-audz is Nadyne cause she's almost australian anyway :) >Sincerely, > >John > >http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile >- Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:31:21 +1000 From: Zac Ariel Subject: Re: [oztori] Another suggestion AndrewR wrote: >> > >> > It's the UBB board. back on this topic - tell me, has anyone considered exactly who's going to be paying for ubb and/or the web hosting for this forum? z. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: [oztori] Tears on the sleeve of a man don't want to be a boy-toy today AndrewR wrote: > it's not called oztori for nothing. It's always been this way - from > it's beginning. The only non- > aus/nz/singaporean-but-australian-just-for-you-audz is Nadyne cause > she's almost australian anyway :) I didn't know that shagging an Australian made me Australian! Y'all only put up with me 'cause I lived in Canberra for awhile, and I'm generally a lurker anyway. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:00:49 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: [oztori] Renewing my suggestions >it's not called oztori for nothing. It's always been this way - from it's >beginning. The only non- >aus/nz/singaporean-but-australian-just-for-you-audz is Nadyne cause she's >almost australian anyway :) Exactly. I still think that this list should stay the way it is, in this format. I just think that Andy should take over the admin stuff and leave it as that. Why change something that isn't broke. ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Renewing mine & Bindy's wedding vows "Bindy ." wrote: > Why change something that isn't broke. - -n. N. ===== "I want to be a lawyer I want to be a scholar But I really can't be bothered" - Kate Bush, 'Sat In Your Lap' "I do feel very alienated from the rest of society and I have done forever really" - - Siobhan Fahey, in 'Women, Sex and Rock N' Roll', 1994. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:48:06 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] Renewing my suggestions > I still think that this list should stay the way it is, in this > format. I > just think that Andy should take over the admin stuff and leave it > as that. > > Why change something that isn't broke. Second that! This list's been fine for over five years the way it is. Just a text-based email list. If you want a board type thing, there's been an OzTori LiveJournal community (www.livejournal.com/users/oztori) for over a year now, and at most it's only had seven posts in it. And anyone can post in it (well, anyone can reply to a post, and only LJ users can post in it, but it's nto to difficult to get a LJ account, just ask someone, even Nathan has one). No one uses it. This list is and always will be email based. It's just easier to maintain, and to read. Jas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] OT: Moira (the chick who flogs all the products on the Bert Newton show) Jonceski Jasmina wrote: > If you want a > board type thing, there's been an OzTori LiveJournal > community (www.livejournal.com/users/oztori) for > over a year now, and at most it's only had seven > posts in it. And anyone can post in it (well, anyone > can reply to a post, and only LJ users can post in > it, but it's nto to difficult to get a LJ account, > just ask someone, even Nathan has one). lol am I the oztori equivalent of Moira (see subject heading if you don't know who TF I am on about)? "If I can do it, anyone can". LOL. Nas. ===== "I want to be a lawyer I want to be a scholar But I really can't be bothered" - Kate Bush, 'Sat In Your Lap' "I do feel very alienated from the rest of society and I have done forever really" - - Siobhan Fahey, in 'Women, Sex and Rock N' Roll', 1994. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V3 #210 ****************************