From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V3 #78 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Monday, March 17 2003 Volume 03 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [oztori] Julian's guide to irony and sarcasm (print for future reference!) [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] RE: [oztori] Julian's guide to irony and sarcasm (print for future reference!) ["ennui" ] [oztori] Anyone got Tori bootlegs to trade? [Simon Metcalf ] Re: [oztori] Anyone got any filthy boots they need spit-shined? [Nathan "] Re: [oztori] "I cunt here berry well" Said Norifin on Mun-dae. ["Holly Wi] [oztori] ...somewhere Efua smiles.. and says enjoy every second of her 15 worth of 'fame' [Nathan "®" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:12:43 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: RE: [oztori] Julian's guide to irony and sarcasm (print for future reference!) ennui wrote: >so to summari(z)e :: alanis had no fecking idea what irony was :) Yeah, but while Alanis has copped a lot of shit for writing a song about irony in which she fails to list a single correct example of irony, I like to think that therein lies the song's genius. Y'see, Ironic actually has a meta-irony: the whole song is rendered ironic in that what is meant (to sing a song about irony) is the exact opposite of what is expressed (a song in which there are no examples of actual irony). It's brilliant! Jules - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Always be connected to your Messenger Friends ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:26:24 +1000 From: "heidi maier" Subject: [oztori] ot: did anybody tape ... "parkinson" on the abc last night? [saturday, march 15th.] i set the vcr to record, but it didn't cooperate for some reason. if anyone did tape it, please e-mail me. thanks, heidi. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:34:07 +0800 From: "ennui" Subject: RE: [oztori] Julian's guide to irony and sarcasm (print for future reference!) >Yeah, but while Alanis has copped a lot of shit for writing a song about irony in which she fails to list a single >correct example of irony, I like to think that therein lies the song's genius. Y'see, Ironic actually has a meta-irony: well your argument sure has convinced me, i feel shamed for having ever doubted her. i'm willing to concede and call alanis a genius.. in an ironic kind of sense ;) _ ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2003 08:31:52 -0000 From: "Matty Vines" Subject: RE: [oztori] Julian's guide to irony and sarcasm (print for future reference!) , Ironic actually has a meta-irony: the whole song is rendered ironic in that what is meant (to sing a song about irony) is the exact opposite of what is expressed (a song in which there are no examples of actual irony). > It's brilliant! *********and when Tori sings "Father I Killed My Monkey" she's talking about the state of teenage homelessness in Australia and how unblissful these people are, you know i know because homelesspeople dno't have fathers and they never EVER eat monkeys.. so i KNOW she's amazing cuz i'm so clever because i know what she's talking about.. And SHE'S being ironic too becuz homeless people DONT eat Monkeys.. Tori and Alanis are so amazing, but no one notices like we do, y'know? *smirks to self* Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:34:59 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Julian's guide to iron-on sarcasm At 06:41 PM 16/03/2003 +1100, Julian P wrote: >AndrewR wrote: > > >Funny but isn't that just an example of sarcasm - not irony? > >Um, actually, sarcasm is a form of irony. So something that is sarcastic >will (almost) always be ironic, but something that is ironic need not be >sarcastic. > >Irony is when the meaning of something is the opposite of (or at least >very different to) what is actually expressed. So saying 'fine weather >we're having' on a rainy day would be close to the textbook example of >irony. Sarcasm -- coming from the latin term meaning 'to rip flesh' -- is >the use of irony in a bitter or critical way, or in order to deliberately >wound or hurt someone. So, if someone does something foolish, calling them >a 'genius' would be sarcastic (because you're trying to be harsh or >critical), but it is still also ironic because what you are really meaning >is that they are in fact the opposite of a genius. > In all seriousness, why do people bag Alanis' version of "ironic"? She is describing - in your definition of irony - ironic situations. I thought when doing Shakespeare (no pies involved) that the ironic moments were when a character says or does something the he or she had no clue of - but the audience, knowing the wider events of the story/other characters actions in other scenes knew that what they said or did was wrong, and ironic. >So there you go. > >:-) > >JulezZz > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Always be connected to your Messenger Friends ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:37:13 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Print all of Nayth's e-mails for future reference! Matty Vines wrote: > , Ironic actually has a meta-irony: the whole song > is rendered ironic in that what is meant (to sing a > song about irony) is the exact opposite of what is > expressed (a song in which there are no examples of > actual irony). > > It's brilliant! > *********and when Tori sings "Father I Killed My > Monkey" she's talking about the state of teenage > homelessness in Australia Really? I thought she was confessing that "Father I [as in perhaps say, "Father Ingles", a priest] killed my monkey [ie, he hilled her monkey!]" since Tori's such a 'confessional' singer n' all. > and how unblissful these > people are, you know i know because homelesspeople > dno't have fathers and they never EVER eat monkeys.. > so i KNOW she's amazing cuz i'm so clever because i > know what she's talking about.. And SHE'S being > ironic too becuz homeless people DONT eat Monkeys.. I would like to think that Tori's 5.5 weeks tour with Alanis was just done out of 'irony'... and ditto with her reluctance to ever touring Australia again. Other 'ironic' Tori moments: * releasing SLG * recording Sister Named Desire * recording 1000 Oceans * The whole YKTR-era gear * Baltimore * including obsessed scary freaks in the vid to Bliss * going cross-eyed & mental on the Live in NY vid ..etc. Nathan. ===== "Hi, you've phoned the Speech Pathology Department. We can't talk right now." "And all the pretty people that I used to see Have died or moved away Or they're in recovery" - - 'I Can Drive', Shakespears Sister ___________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:38:36 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] He said you're really an fugly girl, but I like the way you pay At 11:47 PM 15/03/2003 -0800, Nathan =?UNKNOWN?B?rg==?= wrote: >AndrewR wrote: > > > >Er, 'twas "oh HOW WILL I know". > > > > Oh well - that line's not totally clear. > >Yes 'tis! *sends you for auditory processing >assessment* Please... no more SP talk - I had hours of it the other night! With you and Ceals! ;o) > > The song is GREAT! LOL! > > > > Simply for her talking! LOL >(* of which I had a recent 'spat' @ someone on the >ex-dent forumz... It shits me when I read people >saying "she PLAYED Me and a Gun/Song For Eric". Duh, >like anyone with half a brain-cell can realise she >doesn't "PLAY" them... perhaps bar Song For Eric on >the harmonium from '96... And banging on her chest >like some psych-ward patient in CALS on the Live in NY >vid is not 'playing' either). LOL Tori Amos:- Live from psych-ward 1G "but I don't KNOW anyone called Jasamina!!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Nayth's guide to making t-shirts with iron-on letters AndrewR wrote: > I thought when doing Shakespeare (no pies involved) lol... "and through the wall we made our mudpies". N. ===== "Hi, you've phoned the Speech Pathology Department. We can't talk right now." "And all the pretty people that I used to see Have died or moved away Or they're in recovery" - - 'I Can Drive', Shakespears Sister ___________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:39:48 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: RE: [oztori] Julian's guide to ironing and other domestic arts At 04:13 PM 16/03/2003 +0800, ennui wrote: >ennui [ from wa, not to be confused with the ennui from saskatoon ] >_ What about the ennui from Oodnadatta? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:54:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] He said you're really an fugly girl, but I like the way you pay AndrewR wrote: > >Yes 'tis! *sends you for auditory processing > >assessment* > > > Please... no more SP talk - I had hours of it the > other night! lol.. though 'twas actually audiology talk. > LOL Tori Amos:- Live from psych-ward 1G > > "but I don't KNOW anyone called Jasamina!!" "I DO however... know someone called Jaz... spelt with a Z". Nathan with an N (a 'z' if you look at it sideways). ===== "Hi, you've phoned the Speech Pathology Department. We can't talk right now." "And all the pretty people that I used to see Have died or moved away Or they're in recovery" - - 'I Can Drive', Shakespears Sister ___________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:51:14 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Julian's guide to iron-on sarcasm AndrewR wrote: >I thought when doing Shakespeare (no pies involved) that the ironic moments >were when a character says or does something the he or she had no clue of - >but the audience, knowing the wider events of the story/other characters >actions in other scenes knew that what they said or did was wrong, and ironic. That is a special kind of irony -- usually used in theatre, film and literature -- and generally termed 'dramatic irony'. The irony there is the between what is said by the characters and what is meant by the writer. Prof Jules - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Always be connected to your Messenger Friends ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:35:48 -0000 From: "Rachael" Subject: RE: [oztori] [Fwd: Fwd: FW: Stop Press: American discovers irony!] Did i send you that, Dylan?? rachael xxx - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Dylan Plant Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:35 AM To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: [oztori] [Fwd: Fwd: FW: Stop Press: American discovers irony!] Thought you lot might appreciate this one - afta Nayth's foray onto the ex Dent forumz an all :P > SAN FRANCISCO MAN BECOMES FIRST AMERICAN TO GRASP SIGNIFICANCE OF > IRONY > > > >Jay Fullmer, 38, yesterday became the first American to get to grips > with > >the concept of irony. > > > >"It was weird" Fullmer said. "I was in London and like, talking to > this guy > > >and it was raining and he pulled a face and said, "Great weather > eh?" and I > > >thought - "Wait a minute, no way is it great weather". > > > >Fullmer then realised that the other man's 'mistake' was in fact > deliberate. > > > >Fullmer, who is 39 next month and married with two children, aged 8 > and 3, > >plans to use irony himself in future. > > > >"I'm, like, using it all the time" he said. "Last weekend I was > grilling > >steaks and I burned them and I said "Hey, great weather." > > > > Visit our website at http://www.aqa.org.uk > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee, is strictly > confidential, > and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you > may > not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on it or any > attachments. Please also destroy this message and notify us > immediately by > reply. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs > SkyScan > service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service > working > around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs > SkyScan > service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service > working > around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com > ________________________________________________________________________ ===== Cheers dylan http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:23:35 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Audrie=20Tiong?= Subject: Re: [oztori] The Complete Drop-Out Collection (so far) *Audrie - dropped out of BC (Accounting & Finance) after 2 years. then joined BA (Mass Communications) and about ready to work at Macca's. --- Nathan . wrote: > *Rebecca - dropped 3 classes in 2003, B Social Work, > BCommunication > > *Julian P - contemplated dropping honours in English a > while back > > *Nathan - dropped out of honours in speech pathology > > *Andrew R - dropped engineering > > *Dylan - dropped out of BA (Asian Studies), Adv Dip > Bus (Marketing), BBus (Marketing) > > *Rachael - dropped IT degree > > *ennui (in WA...) - dropped BSc (Extractive > Metallurgy) > > *Holly - dropped BJournalism > > *Bindy - dropped 2 TAFE courses > > > ....anyone got any 'accomplishments' to add? lol. > > > Nathan. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:27:11 +1100 From: Dylan Plant Subject: Re: [oztori] [Fwd: Fwd: FW: Stop Press: American discovers irony!] LOL yes you did!!! I sent it on to an American friend of mine....wonder how she's going to take it..... Hey I just realized, I started off a whole new thread without even meaning too! I rock! :P Rachael wrote: >Did i send you that, Dylan?? > >rachael >xxx >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of >Dylan Plant >Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:35 AM >To: oztori@smoe.org >Subject: [oztori] [Fwd: Fwd: FW: Stop Press: American discovers irony!] > > > Thought you lot might appreciate this one - afta Nayth's foray onto >the ex Dent forumz an all :P > > > > >>SAN FRANCISCO MAN BECOMES FIRST AMERICAN TO GRASP SIGNIFICANCE OF >>IRONY >> >> >>>Jay Fullmer, 38, yesterday became the first American to get to grips >>> >>> >>with >> >> >>>the concept of irony. >>> >>>"It was weird" Fullmer said. "I was in London and like, talking to >>> >>> >>this guy >> >> >> >>>and it was raining and he pulled a face and said, "Great weather >>> >>> >>eh?" and I >> >> >> >>>thought - "Wait a minute, no way is it great weather". >>> >>>Fullmer then realised that the other man's 'mistake' was in fact >>> >>> >>deliberate. >> >> >>>Fullmer, who is 39 next month and married with two children, aged 8 >>> >>> >>and 3, >> >> >>>plans to use irony himself in future. >>> >>>"I'm, like, using it all the time" he said. "Last weekend I was >>> >>> >>grilling >> >> >>>steaks and I burned them and I said "Hey, great weather." >>> >>> >> >>Visit our website at http://www.aqa.org.uk >> >>This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee, is strictly >>confidential, >>and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you >>may >>not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on it or any >>attachments. Please also destroy this message and notify us >>immediately by >>reply. >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________ > > >>This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs >>SkyScan >>service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service >>working >>around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com >> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________ > > >> >> >________________________________________________________________________ > > >>This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs >>SkyScan >>service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service >>working >>around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com >> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________ > >===== >Cheers >dylan > >http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile >- Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:53:26 +1000 From: "Holly Williamson" Subject: Re: [oztori] all that she wants is the tATu single. Andrew R: > >Well you ARE in Rock camp-town :o) > >Was it all the boots and moleskins and the Jillaroos that made you move >there Holly? :o) OH YEAHHHHH, gimme gimme gimme. Ha ha. To date I still haven't seen even a person that looks similar to something that I'd be interested in dating. Maybe my standards are too high. Or the smell of cow-dung in the air is too much for me. Apparently the tATu single came out here last Monday, but it sold out on the first day. Bah! I WANT it! :-) holly. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:59:55 +1000 From: "Holly Williamson" Subject: Re: [oztori] [Fwd: Fwd: FW: Stop Press: American discovers irony!] > >Fullmer, who is 39 next month and married with two >>children, aged 8 >>and 3, >plans to use irony himself in future. > >"I'm, like, using it all >>the time" he said. "Last weekend I was >>grilling >steaks and I burned them and I said "Hey, great weather." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA LOLIRL!!! LMAO and apart from that, I have no other pieces of miscellaneous grabon to add. holly. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:03:00 +1000 From: "Holly Williamson" Subject: Re: [oztori] Somewhere >> > Somewhere 'round the corner >> > Somewhere did he go >> > Somewhere 'round the corner >> > Oh, I do not know. >> >>Er, 'twas "oh HOW WILL I know". > >Oh yes, and I recently found it. FINALLY! No one had it on KaZaA or WinMX. >Simply for her talking! LOL! i would not like it on a plane i would not like it on a train i would not like it EVER AGAIN! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:30:34 +1100 From: Simon Metcalf Subject: [oztori] Anyone got Tori bootlegs to trade? Does anyone have any Tori live bootlegs that they're willing to trade? If so, please post what you have and what you require as a "service fee" (and no, I'm not talking about THAT kind of service) :-) I'm mostly interested in 1998 and 1999 bootlegs (ie with the band) and especially the following: Plugged '98 (2CD) To Denver and Back (2CD) Pay Per View Sessions at West 54th but I'd be interested in any others you have as well. I have access to about 10 bootlegs, mostly the era of 1992-1997. I don't have a full list here but they include After the RAINN A Kiss on the Glass (92) RAINN Concert (with Abbey Road) + more. Ask if there's anything in particular that you'd like. Simon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:42:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] I cunt here berry well Holly Williamson wrote: > OH YEAHHHHH, gimme gimme gimme. Ha ha. To date I > still haven't seen even a > person that looks similar to something that I'd be > interested in dating. Why restrict yourself to a 'person'?! Have you not considered dating one of the cows? of Efua's fantastic "Somewhere": > i would not like it on a plane > i would not like it on a train > i would not like it EVER AGAIN! I was going to say, 'oops I think she ripped off Green Eggs & Ham' until I realised that you, alas, had misheard the lyrics. *sends you off with Andz for auditory processing assessment*... lol you can hold hands together as you go. Nathan. ===== "Hi, you've phoned the Speech Pathology Department. We can't talk right now." "And all the pretty people that I used to see Have died or moved away Or they're in recovery" - - 'I Can Drive', Shakespears Sister ___________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:44:59 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Anyone got any filthy boots they need spit-shined? Simon Metcalf wrote: *snip* Yay Simey... nice to 'ave ye back on th' list! > Does anyone have any Tori live bootlegs that they're > willing to trade? If so, please post what you have > and what you require as a "service fee" (and no, I'm > not talking about THAT kind of service) :-) I'm > mostly interested in 1998 and 1999 bootlegs (ie with > the band) and especially the following: > > Plugged '98 (2CD) > To Denver and Back (2CD) > Pay Per View > Sessions at West 54th > > but I'd be interested in any others you have as > well. > > I have access to about 10 bootlegs, mostly the era > of 1992-1997. I don't have a full list here but > they include > > After the RAINN > A Kiss on the Glass (92) > RAINN Concert (with Abbey Road) + more. > > Ask if there's anything in particular that you'd > like. Nice. I have a couple... I'd consider if you sent me discs & moulah for postage. As I'm lazy. Although bootlegs are illegal, and with so many law school drop-outs here.. I don't think that would be wise :) Nathan. ===== "Hi, you've phoned the Speech Pathology Department. We can't talk right now." "And all the pretty people that I used to see Have died or moved away Or they're in recovery" - - 'I Can Drive', Shakespears Sister ___________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:29:57 +1000 From: "Holly Williamson" Subject: Re: [oztori] "I cunt here berry well" Said Norifin on Mun-dae. Norfin rote: > >Why restrict yourself to a 'person'?! Have you not >considered dating one of the cows? Good point. > > >of Efua's fantastic "Somewhere": > > > i would not like it on a plane > > i would not like it on a train > > i would not like it EVER AGAIN! > >I was going to say, 'oops I think she ripped off Green >Eggs & Ham' until I realised that you, alas, had >misheard the lyrics. Ummmmm. I challenge you to post the correct lyrics then? I could have sworn that these were the lyrics... holly-hampton _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] ...somewhere Efua smiles.. and says enjoy every second of her 15 worth of 'fame' Dolly Williamson (nee Parton) wrote: > > > i would not like it on a plane > > > i would not like it on a train > > > i would not like it EVER AGAIN! > > > >I was going to say, 'oops I think she ripped off > Green > >Eggs & Ham' until I realised that you, alas, had > >misheard the lyrics. > > Ummmmm. I challenge you to post the correct lyrics > then? I could have > sworn that these were the lyrics... Good point. I meant to post them in my original post.. but didn't want to spend too long on the e-mail @ 'work' in case anybody walked in :) They are: "I would not like it on a tray I would not like it on a plate I would not like it EVER AGAIN!" Nathan - wearing his porche glasses, you know the ones that go around the sides? ===== "Hi, you've phoned the Speech Pathology Department. We can't talk right now." "And all the pretty people that I used to see Have died or moved away Or they're in recovery" - - 'I Can Drive', Shakespears Sister ___________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] exciting Tori discovery... You can d'load soundcheck from 9-9-96 at http://skateboardnaked.com/jonatha_brooke_charming_035.htm which has a lot of improvisation including primitive versions of Cruel and i i e e e. lol Tori is such a liar... this was before she was even preggers, let alone before the miscarriage. Nathan. ===== "Hi, you've phoned the Speech Pathology Department. We can't talk right now." "And all the pretty people that I used to see Have died or moved away Or they're in recovery" - - 'I Can Drive', Shakespears Sister ___________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V3 #78 ***************************